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Ella

For the time being Ella is just a remnant area of low pressure per the FMS forecasts for Fiji and is not a "tropical disturbance".Jason Rees (talk) 13:29, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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22U

FYI 22U has been upgraded to a tropical cyclone, in the immediate post analysis of the system.Jason Rees (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Oh, yes, it has too. Strange how they didn't classify it originally - they are saying it had winds of 85 km/h (pretty fast to not be classified as a cyclone). They originally said it peaked at 35 km/h, which is completely wrong! ChocolateTrain (talk) 05:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Welcome and some tips?

Hi there and I see that you are already part of the TC Wiki project and thank you for contributing in the past few days. Just to note that you do not need to wait for a system to intensify to a named TC in order to use the "current infobox", but if an agency is already issuing advisories, even if it's not yet a TC, just start using it. Also when uploading images, name them appropriately with its TC name and the time and date (eg: Frances 2017-04-28 0530Z). Anything else I could help you with, just ping me somewhere or leave me a message. :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:17, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Hi Typhoon2013. Thanks for the tips! Also, would it be OK for me to upload my satellite image of Frances as a more updated version of yours (onto your image file page)? It is technically the same image (we got it from the same place), but mine is cropped so that there is no 'blank' space below the clouds of the cyclone (i.e. cloudless terrain). If you don't want me to do that, that is perfectly fine also. Once again, thanks for the tips and encouragement! ChocolateTrain (talk) 06:30, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

It's alright. For the Frances image, I think it would be just fine to leave it like that, though I just wanted to know how you cropped it? Did you just use paint or something? Talking about that, if you are going to make an image similar to another one but you have made changes (eg crop or 250m res), no need to make another file, but there is a button in the image saying "Upload new version" and you can upload your image there, plus it saves you more time. Also I was just wondering if you will only be focusing on one basin because pretty much I should say that each users have their "own" basin(s), like for me my main basin for editing TCs is the West Pacific but since last year, I've started to help update cyclones in most basins. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Hi again. Yes, I will only be focussing on the Australian basin. I live in Australia (Queensland, specifically), so the cyclones that occur here are the ones I suppose I'm most interested in.

I am using a windows computer with Windows 10. After I saved the image of Frances from NASA's website, I opened the image in the normal Photos app thing and pressed a button near the top, which is edit. I cropped the image, then enhanced the clarity, light and colour to make it more vivid. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I live in New Zealand by the way just in case. But yeah, thanks for your edits so far in Misplaced Pages it's really good and I appreciate it, hope I could work with you more in the coming months. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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"&nbsp"

Hi Chocolate Train, Can you stop bogging down articles with so many  's? The so called non breaking spaces are only really needed between words and numbers and not in every single space. Thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 00:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Hi Jason. The only reason I was inserting the "&nbsp" things in the Season Effects section was because, in my opinion, I think the table is more aesthetically pleasing when there are no large gaps of unused space due to two lines being used as the text is a few characters too long. Also, following the reversion of my original edit, there are a number of terms which have been split into two lines that I think should be displayed as a linear string of text on one line only. These are 'New Zealand' and 'Category (number from 3 to 5) severe tropical cyclone'. Also, all of the systems whose minimum central pressures were no lower than 1000 hPa have been split into two lines simply because the inches of mercury conversion is one character too long to fit. Consequently, there is a great deal of redundant space in the table, and I think it looks a little poorly formatted. That's just my view on the matter, anyway. I won't reinsert the "&nbsp" things without your agreement. ChocolateTrain (talk) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I havent had a look at the SE chart look for a while but from your comments I know exactly what the problem is. The problem is that Ella and Donna affectes multiple impact nations at once. Look at what areas have been affected by both systems and insert a line break
wherever appropiate. That should solve the problem. :) Jason Rees (talk) 02:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Just to note on "updates"...

...when editing or updating the season timeline, please follow UTC time. Thanks. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:08, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Images

I know that I have made a mistake on the designation thing, but why do you have to make a new image? You know that you can just simply rename the image right? Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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Please stop!

Please stop using the trackfile as you did to Hurricane Eugene, where they had it at cat2, though its real advisory only has it at cat1 at the moment. This is already vandalism and I already discussed this with someone. Next time do not use the trackfile and I may report this to someone, instead wait for the official advisory to come out. Thank you. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Hold on. First, it was one of two IP editors who initially made the erroneous change, not ChocolateTrain. Second, see WP:NOTVAND - not every incorrect edit is vandalism.--Jasper Deng (talk) 08:27, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

July 2017

Thank you for responding from my edit summary mentioning about "cropping" for Eugene's image. Though the image you updated is not clear. As I said previously, please follow the NASA Gallery version (unless there's something wrong, eg lines etc). I have now requested a cropping for that image to someone who I know who is decent at doing this. If you cannot upload or update images clearly, then you shouldn't upload. This is just a warning for the future. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: What do you mean it isn't clear? ChocolateTrain (talk) 08:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Also, what do you mean by "follow the gallery image"? If you mean use the gallery image, that's exactly what I did. ChocolateTrain (talk) 08:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Additionally, please dictate to me exactly how you would like the images cropped and presented, with distinct guidelines on what you tolerate in terms of pixel resolution, colour/hue richness, brightness, contrast, etc. And do not simply say "follow the gallery image", because that is impossible. ChocolateTrain (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: I really think you need to read ChocolateTrain's response and comments more throughly. However, I would personally say that the image showing Baja Califonia is better as it allows you to locate the system.Jason Rees (talk) 22:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Sorry but I do not know if you upload images too, but that's what I got warned when I first uploaded images here. Also are you talking about the Dora image? Because that image is a better version and does show the Baja California in the picture, which you were talking about. Typhoon2013 (talk) 22:37, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I only upload images of TC's when i need to for historical purposes @Typhoon2013:, otherwise I generally leave others too do it. I would also be careful if i were you about I say about others on other peoples talk pages.Jason Rees (talk) 23:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: I strongly urge you to heed the following advice in the near term: please refrain from giving others "warnings" or otherwise telling them what to do. This and the past message you gave to ChocolateTrain were both unhelpful, and this really shows a failure to assume good faith on ChocolateTrain's part. This is not the first time this has been an issue. If you have concerns about another user's edits, please feel free to ask an uninvolved user such as me or Jason first. You should also have a clear read of WP:NOTVAND, and not refer to other users as "new" unless it is very clear that is the case (e.g. less than 30 edits here).--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:46, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

MOS:LINKS

Just to let you know before we have a mini-edit war, let me explain my rationale here. I linked eye on its first usage in accordance with MOS:LINKS and delinked wind shear on similar grounds. Explosive intensification doesn't have a wikipedia article nor did Fernanda undergo it, so I changed that bit. CDO for some reason has no Misplaced Pages page, so I included a generic explanation of the term instead. Moreover, Pacific Ocean does not need to be linked, in accordance with WP:OVERLINK, which notes that "The names of major geographic features, locations (e.g. United States, New York City (or New York in the context of the city), London (if the context rules out London, Ontario, etc.), France, Berlin...), languages, nationalities (e.g. English, British, American, French, German...) and religions (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism...)". Regards. YE 00:42, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Yellow Evan. Firstly, sorry for delinking cyclone eye—that wasn't intentional. And yes, I agree with the Pacific Ocean thing. However, central dense overcast does have a Misplaced Pages page. It is here. Thanks for clearing this up, and for talking about it rather than us warring. I appreciate it. ChocolateTrain (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I've been editing nine years and I did not know CDO had a wikipedia article which apparently was created in 2012. Wow, thanks for pointing that out. YE 02:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

@Yellow Evan: Ha ha ha! No worries. I'm happy I was able to help. ChocolateTrain (talk) 02:59, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

In regard to this, it is worth noting that Eugene generated swells to California. YE 21:24, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

@Yellow Evan: I suppose so, but is a swell really a notable effect? I mean, Mexico would have received greater swells as the hurricane was Category 3 when it was closest to Mexico, compared to a storm or less for California, but Mexico hasn't been included. If we were to record high seas as effects for every storm, there would be heaps of places for every single cyclone. ChocolateTrain (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Given it's enough to warrant inclusion in the season section, I think we should be conssitent and include such in the season effect charts. Baja California Peninsula is included but we don't have confirmation of swells along the rest of the Mexican coast. Also worth noting that not every storm has confirmation of high seas effects, and even if it did, let there be "heaps of places for every single cyclone". YE 21:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for satellite images

Hello, and the suggestion is simple: Take a look at the images uploaded by other people. This may help you prevent some minor issues. 🐱💬 05:56, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Suggestions

As per the previous message from Meow as well, I would like to give you some suggestions and tips again. I would actually recommend to discover how people edit and how the page/article is set up. Like please do not make your own versions where everyone doesn't know about it, or if you think it may become a disaster, which I'm happy there's none of that yet. Also the PHS and PTS articles have different layouts, just to point it out. For images, again, if I were you, I would rather cut down the images you upload for a while and just discover how people make the images. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: It doesn't seem like you took my comment above seriously. This comment is quite condescending. Also, all this feuding over images is really bikeshedding and should stop.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: OK, I'm actually sick and tired of this now. I am not an idiot, I do, contrary to popular belief, know what I'm doing, I'm extremely logical, and mostly everything I do, with the exception of a few errors of judgement here and there, is what I deem to be correct. I do not appreciate the condescending, patronising nature of the comments from you and other contributors. You make it out as if you are somehow superior to me, and that my contributions are inherently flawed and not even worth uploading in the first place (which you have unkindly said before). In fact, I would argue that the your ideas in terms of layout and other such things are backward and incorrect, not mine. I don't care if it's what 'everyone' else does. That doesn't mean it's correct, does it? Absolutely not. If you are an intelligent person, which I am sure you are, you should be able to see this and accept it. Just because it's different to what you have done before doesn't mean it's wrong. If everyone thought like that, we would still think the Earth is flat, that the celestial bodies in our solar system are in geocentric orbits, and other ridiculous things like that. It took people such as Galileo Galilei to show the people set in their ways that they were wrong.

Edits of mine are reverted oftentimes simply because it is me who has uploaded them. This was highlighted recently when @MarioProtIV reverted the gallery image and the most recent image, which you then followed suit on. This directly contradicts your own arguments for using the gallery or most recent image, which shows that either those arguments have no substance, or that you and others simply have your own agendas. My edit summaries and talk page comments, which I spend a long time and a lot of effort writing, are regularly ignored either in part or in full, and edits are consequently changed with complete disregard to the points I raised. When I provide a logical argument that is completely watertight, it is ignored in the reply to escape the truth, or answered with a completely irrelevant, unrelated, or otherwise inadequate statement. This was shown when the Paracel Islands were removed from the affected areas of Talas because they are a disputed territory of Vietnam and China. Who gives a crap if they are disputed!? They exist, don't they!? They are still islands with land above sea level, no matter who says they own them! You say you are a regular contributor on West Pacific articles, and as such you say you 'know how things are done'. Well, you are quite happy to have four island groups such as the Paracels in the 2016 article, without reverting them (this is just another proof of the fact that my edits are reverted just because they are my edits). In fact, there is an affected area called Midway Atoll which is an enormous 6.2 square kilometres, is officially defined as an "unorganised, unincorporated territory", is about 2000 km from the nearest landmass (Hawaii), and has a grand total of zero people living there. I'd say that's not a state or country, wouldn't you think!? But it's still included. Additionally, Typhoon Ioke in 2006 affected Wake Island. This just so happens to be a disputed territory, but that's fine, isn't it, because I didn't put it there. Someone else, 'superior' and 'more professional' than me, put it there. If it was me who had have put California as an affected area of Hurricane Eugene, it would have been removed faster than you could even say 'California'. But it's still there, because someone better than me uploaded it (I'm not worried about this particular California point now, as I have discussed it with a logical and reasonable person in @Yellow Evan). Another thing, please check who uploads things before you demonise the wrong people. You have done that to me heaps of times now.

A Misplaced Pages policy is to discuss in edit summaries exactly why you revert a change. You are not allowed to use abbreviations. You violate this all the time with my edits, and you obviously regard me as of too little importance to waste your brainpower typing an edit summary. But there may be a reason for that. It's because, most of the time, my edit was actually a good one, so there is nothing to write in the revert summary, because you shouldn't be reverting it. Today, you also edited the 2017 Pacific hurricane season article with an edit summary of "ok, sure (??)". What does that even mean? How is that summarising your edit? That's manipulating the system to give you higher percentages for edit summaries by including random strings of words and characters. Additionally, Misplaced Pages also says that (for example, a picture) if you change the original, then it gets reverted, do not continually revert without talking. You and other contributors did exactly the opposite with the Dora image. Additionally, it does not look good at all that you were being backed up in the Dora image by a sock puppet whose name I had never even seen before. A convicted, indefinitely blocked (on Misplaced Pages) sock puppet just 'somehow' happened to locate our very dispute and back your opinion. Hmm. Interesting. And then you go to his talk page, where his appeal for block removal has been denied eight times, and call him a 'new user'. Furthermore, you denigrate and spite me on his talk page. This does not look good for you, if I'm honest. Also, I spent 7 hours writing more than 2000 words showing why my Dora image was better, and neither you nor MarioProtIV, both of whom I pinged, made any effort to reply... but the image was still changed in the article a number of times. Unacceptable.

You also ignore the comments of people such as @Jason Rees and @Jasper Deng, who have been very kind to come to my aid and stand up for me, telling you to read my comments properly and thoroughly. You say that you know what to do because you have been in the WikiProject for a long time, but you are contradicting your own argument of 'respect for superiority' by ignoring senior editors like Jason and Jasper. You are digging a hole for yourself, and the sides are getting steeper and the hole's getting deeper—be careful that you can get back out again. Also, please be more eloquent and clear in your comments on talk pages. I sometimes have difficulty understanding parts of what you're saying.

With the 'JTWC BT' thing, how can you not know what that means? I've seen you write that in edit summaries heaps of times. Additionally, I'm sure you know very well that JTWC's advisories come out at least 3, sometimes even 4 hours late. Using their vector statements for the cyclone's location is completely inaccurate. For example, Severe Tropical Storm Nanmadol was moving at over 50 km/h at one stage. That would put the vector out by possibly 150 km in the time it takes for them to release the advisory! You cannot use that.

Another thing which I have discussed but was ignored in part was why you can't use 'South China' to describe Hainan and a tiny portion of Guangdong. It doesn't matter that Talas has affected two of the provinces in South China. It is the actual area that matters. If Talas made landfall in China and went a bit northward, like Nanmadol, then absolutely use South China, because it would have affected a significant portion of the region. Currently, Talas has affected about 8% of the very conservative definition of South China. That's equivalent to saying that a cyclone affecting only the region from about Volusia County in Florida to about Liberty County in Georgia affected the "East Coast of the United States". You would no way say that. You would just say "Florida and Georgia". That is a conservative equivalent, and a helpful comparison.

There are other things I could have said, but I'm going to leave it there for now. I just want to reiterate that I don't appreciate being looked upon and treated as an insignificant fool on Misplaced Pages, and as if I don't know anything. I would also like you to understand that it is not good for so many 'norms' to exist so concretely and stagnate the articles. I completely understand that some things must be maintained for continuity of course. There are other things, however, like the images, where I feel I deserve more respect and input. I make sure what I upload is good quality, as I am a high-achiever and a perfectionist, and I hate poor standards and results. You may possibly think I'm being rude or unkind in this long essay thing, but I am not. I am simply being assertive and truthful, and a long articulation such as this has been needed for a long time now. I truly hope you and the other editors will start to see me in a new light from now on. Kind regards, ChocolateTrain (talk) 01:39, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: I think your comment would better deliver its point if it weren't so long - see WP:TLDR. To be clear, I do think Typhoon2013 does not think critically enough about his edits, especially when following the practices of others, and really should use more edit summaries. But with that said, one thing both you and @Typhoon2013: should do to each other is assume good faith and assume the assumption of good faith. I don't think Typhoon2013 meant to label you as an idiot, and you should keep that in mind; I do understand that the impact on you wasn't the same as his intent. Everyone involved in the imagery dispute (including @Meow and MarioProtIV:) should also consider whether it is worthwhile arguing over (what seems to me to be) a rather trivial detail (i.e. bikeshedding). But if you can reach a consensus, that would be nice. Why not start a discussion at WT:WPTC so everyone can chime in?--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:12, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Just first, I am really sure, after some years of editing here, I have never used the term "idiot" to anyone because that is like crossing the line. For the JTWC Bt thing, I do mention that in my edit summaries but not in the case that I've talked to you about. I only put "JTWC BT" if the JTWC has released their Best Track Data for the storm. But again as I said "trackfile" is the other word I use. The rest, I and a couple of users like JR have discussed it in the other talk page. @Jasper Deng: Maybe, not just us, but to people who frequently edit within the project, especially to users who are new, maybe we should clarify what is best, or to have some 'changes' in layouts or terms etc. I mean, you already know for sure, I have been in 'chaos' few years ago discussing with other users about dealing with some people with images and changing layouts or false info etc. Also JD, atm you are the only user here who is disrespectful to me in the past year aside people like JR, Meow and Hurricanehink; I really do not trust you that much than way before, but now I do not know. Also ChocolateTrain I am not attacking you or anything, but don't worry I was just in your situation when I was new here so yes we are in the same boat and have been through what you are going through now. If this gets sorted then I would love to work with you in the near future because I do have loads of helps in some articles. :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Sigh. It is normal for experienced users to give new users advice, but at the same time, not bite them either. Like I said, you probably did not mean to call ChocolateTrain an "idiot", but to him, it seemed to be implied, hence why he appears to be upset in the comment above. If you are unable to avoid writing in a condescending manner, then again, please avoid writing comments like the above one here.

It is also very normal for experienced users to give other experienced users advice. Except, I have been both frustrated and disappointed that you have chosen to disregard my advice. Please do not confuse constructive criticism with incivility. You have a userbox stating intention to become an admin here, but unless and until you think critically about your edits (rather than simply saying "everyone else is doing it"), you will get nowhere near there. The same goes with using edit summaries, and knowing your limits: while we encourage editors to be bold, once you have established that a certain action is beyond your limits (in this case, giving "warnings" or "advice" to other editors), please heed that.

I'll make it pretty simple. You can either take this advice to heart and become a better editor, and possibly an admin candidate, or you can ignore it, in which case WP:CIR, along with warnings for you, likely will come into play.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:39, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Firstly, I looked through the last 14 months or so of your discussions with @Jasper Deng on your talk page, and not once did I see him being disrespectful towards you. What he did was fix errors here and there, and draw attention to certain things which needed improving.

I apologise for using JTWC BT. That was misinformation on my part. I will make sure to use 'trackfile' from now on so as to avoid confusion, and also to use the correct term. Also, I'm just wondering, what exactly is wrong with this image? @MarioProtIV (who has so far ignored most or all of my pings, comments and edit summaries for a while) reverted it when I uploaded it on the Pacific hurricane season article. He said that the eye is not as clearly defined in my image—that much is true. However, he also said that Fernanda was about to drop to Category 3, which isn't true (it was 5-6 hours away). In fact, the image he reverted to has 115 knot winds (same as mine), and was only taken within 1 hour of becoming category 4. The NHC also said that, although the system is a little less organised than yesterday, it has recently developed a large and symmetric area of outer convective banding (this was not at all present in the image reverted back to). As the system has been developing these new features, shouldn't they be included in the peak intensity image? Another thing... you and MarioProtIV are always telling me to use/follow the NASA gallery image. When I did this yesterday, my edit was reverted without even a summary. Why? ChocolateTrain (talk) 04:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

All goods about the JTWC BT and no need to apologize. I'm sure that there's some sort of confusion there between us because when you "update (current) storms with JTWC BT", I did not really get that because the JTWC BT for the 2017 systems will not be released until next year, but let's end that conversation there because I don't want any more confusion with that. For the MarioProtIV image thing, as of making this comment, I have not yet seen what's been going on between you two and haven't seen the image just yet. But I do know that he does not start a topic about it/a discussion about it, which is really odd, because ofc for sure when something like that happen continuously I start a discussion. I think @MarioProtIV: should start a discussion about it next time, explaining his reasons why or his opinions etc. Images seem fine, however, though I am not the person who is more of an "image person" here in Misplaced Pages, even if I do constantly update and upload images, but the perfect person for images is Meow. She is great in images and you should talk to her for tips and suggestions. I am a user, but more to the updating information side. Anything more you want to sort things out or discussions or anything in particular before we have some chaos again? :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:42, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: "we have some chaos again" - please don't think of it this way. Also, I fixed your indentation as it seems clear you're replying to ChocolateTrain's comment above.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: It's just a joke. That's why I have the indentation around the phrase. Especially how I put a ":)" at the end would describe it. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

ChocolateTrain, regarding about the image you and MarioProtIV have been fighting about, both images are pretty decent to be used for the infobox, but I'm sorry but I personally think the other image is best to be used because the image is closer to its peak. Though again if I may request to have a slightly zoomed in image of that, as you did to the Eugene image. But then again, MarioProtIV needs to start a discussion instead of continuously reverting you with or without an edit summary with their explanation of some sort. I've been told and it has been the 'ritual' where the image used for the infobox has to be closer to its peak. Unless something happens like what happened before with Beatriz, if there is no image available (maybe due to lines or low-quality ones etc), then we go to the available one, if that makes sense. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I am just trying to have the image in the infobox at peak. Not so sure what's wrong with that. The current one is at least 18 hours after peak, when it was undergoing an ERC, and in turn that has the eye less defined then it was at peak. --MarioProtIV (/_contribs) 22:12, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Talas image request

Hi and first of all sorry if I am spamming your talk pages because I kind of have a problem with that. But for the Talas image you made, it looks amazing and does suit for its infobox. Though the only thing I spotted and find a little concerning is that there is a very thin black border around it. May I please request to take it out, and then if done, rv me edit. Thanks. Typhoon2013 (talk) 12:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Firstly, I'm absolutely delighted that you think my image is good! I think the black border comes from Worldview when you download images. The reason I don't pick it up is because the photo editor's background on my computer is black. I cropped the image very slightly and then inserted it into a Word document with the white background to check if it was gone (it is). Also, rather than reverting your edit, I changed it back manually, so as not to increase your revert count. Thanks again. :) ChocolateTrain (talk) 13:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

08W

Hi and thanks for your reason for why you've done it. So doesn't mean the JMA is now tracking it, doesn't mean we remove the designation (08W). Yes the JMA is the RSMC for that basin, but for this case, no. This has been a 'stable' thing since then and is been listed like this for all PTS articles. This also includes other basins where two agencies are monitoring on a system (every basin except EPac + Atl). Also who told you, or where did you learn that "All TDs that are monitored by the JMA, regardless of whether the JTWC monitors them or even designates them first, are simply referred to as TD"? Typhoon2013 (talk) 11:15, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: I just assumed that, as the Japan Meteorological Agency is the official agency, the names and designations (or, more to the point in this case, non-designations of simply 'TD') given by them would be used as soon as they become available. I understand that unofficial numerical designations from the JTWC (such as 08W in this instance) would be used as placeholders for the time during which the JMA does not recognise the formation of a tropical depression, however I don't think that designation should be maintained as it has been superseded by an agency with more authority. Anyway, I don't really mind, but it just seems wrong to call it 08W now that more up-to-date information is available.

On the hypothetical circumstance that the JMA begins issuing advisories on the system (as in, if the sustained winds reach 30 knots), would we change it from 08W to TD? Just because it would specifically say on the advisory 'TD'. I don't know, but that would be my assumption should those circumstances occur. Hopefully it ends up developing, as more cyclones equals more excitement! ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Conflict may increase if we remove the JTWC designation and follow JMAs, especially how the WPac is the most active basin globally. If the JMA starts issuing advisories on a designated system, I would still retain the designation because it described the storm more and there are loads of "TD"s like the 2016 article for example. We can't really just say "Tropical Depression", TD, TD etc because it would be really weird and you would be expecting a designated system that never reached a (named) tropical storm. Typhoon2013 (talk) 12:04, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Yeah, alright. That's a good reason. It is annoying how the JMA just lists them as TDs rather than assigning actual numerical designations. I can see why it's beneficial to have the JTWC code when possible. Thanks for your help once again. ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

That's alright. Questions are fine because it makes me and other users learn too and how we use our TC knowledge. Again, I am really pleased on your reasons too because they are pretty good. The JMA do use designations, however, only when the system is determined as a tropical storm (eg: 1610, 1706). And imo it's really weird to have a TC designation higher than the number 40 (yes there were cases that designation numbers reached the 30s). Typhoon2013 (talk) 12:14, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Also, if you remember, the 2016-17 Australian region cyclone season went up to 30U (which later became Greg). That was pretty spectacular for that region! Speaking of Greg, I really wish the BOM would release a tropical cyclone report on it, as I reckon it was stronger than 65 km/h. I took a screenshot the storm at 09:50 UTC on 30 April from the Himawari-8 satellite viewer on the BOM website. It looks WAY stronger than 35 knots... you can even see a pinhole eye! ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:21, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Correct and yes they should make a report on it. Speaking of the designations in the AusR, actually that was my first season where I finally speculated about the BoM designations. Because, if you may not know, the BoM is I should say the most confusing agency to have designations because in past events, they skip like the first system was 05U then the next was 12U. That year, we had all systems because I speculated if the "Tropical Lows" in the bulletins would have a designation. So I am looking forward and to test one more time for the 2017-18 season if I am right. Yes I do know that this is original research, but I really get pissed off at jumping designations because I love numbers. Typhoon2013 (talk) 12:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: I like numbers too (though sometimes maths at school annoys me because it seems so pointless). The BOM is my favourite agency in my biased opinion, as it's Australian and so am I (ha ha ha...). My favourite thing about the BOM is their forecast track maps. They look so good, especially when it's a large and powerful cyclone like Debbie. The colours are really nice, and they draw lovely smooth lines... unlike the JMA. I wish I could show you what I mean by Greg looking stronger, but I don't know if it's a free image, and I don't have the URL to provide a source in the upload. It's probably not 'way' stronger as I said originally, but it's almost definitely higher than 35 knots. ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Trackfile

I should've asked this a while ago but what source do you use for "trackfile"? Are you using this? Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't worry now. I'm sure you are using this. That's fine. Both sources are the same it's just that my one is delayed. Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Fletcher

FYI Fletcher was downgraded during BOM's BT process to a tropical low, that is why the page was moved to Tropical Low Fletcher.Jason Rees (talk) 11:22, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Mmmm... perhaps. It does say that it was a tropical low in that file, but then again it says in the official cyclone report, which is updated when new information becomes available, that it was a Category 1. Also, the maximum wind speed in that file you showed me is 18 m/s, which is a Category 1 tropical cyclone on the Australian scale. Additionally, and probably most significantly, on Page 13 of the Bureau of Meteorology's 2013-14 Annual Report, it states that Tropical Cyclone Fletcher crossed the coast as a Category 1 system. I can see that there are reasonable arguments for both sides; however, there are three pieces of evidence to say that it was a cyclone rather than just a low, and we can't ignore that fact. Thank you for your diligence in checking the validity of my edit, though. ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

The last time i checked those cyclone reports are based on operational data and are thus only preliminary and are rarely updated after the BT Process takes place. Also while 35 knots does normally equal TC intensity, the BoM and Nadi apply a rule that states that gale force winds must extend 1/2 way around the centre before it is declared a TC. Also as far as I know, the BT Database that i cited over rules any reports that the BoM may produce and is often cited in the TCR's.

Also notice in that report: "All information relating to intensity and track is preliminary information based on operational estimates and subject to change following post analysis." As a result, I politely ask you to revert your edits to Fletcher or email the BoM for clarification.Jason Rees (talk) 12:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I had a look at the data that BoM submitted to IBTRACS, which shows that it was downgraded to 30 kts and 995 hPa in BT. I then took a look at exactly when the BoM was alleging that it had 35 kts winds and it appears that it only had 35 kts for four hours. As a result, I feel we have enough to ignore the reports and go with the BT Data and downgrade Fletcher to a TL. However, I would like to invite @Jasper Deng, Hurricanehink, Cyclonebiskit, Yellow Evan, and Typhoon2013: to take a look at what im showing/saying here.Jason Rees (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

ChocolateTrain, regardless of who is right, please do not move-war. WP:BRD applies here.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:22, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Hmm, well it depends on how BoM does their BT system and when they do it. If the BT came out after the official TC report then I would go with that. Typhoon2013 (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Here there's no ambiguity: the report explicitly says it's operational and preliminary (see Jason's quote above) and BT always takes precedence over operational estimates.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: Yeah but you have that one case from 2011's Talas where the JMA operationally had it as a TY, then it was downgraded to a STS for its BT and was upgraded back to a TY again. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I would be very interested to know where the JMA re-upgraded Talas 2011 to a typhoon, both the BT Folder and the final yealry report state that it was an STS at peak.Jason Rees (talk) 08:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: It has been stated in its article since then or the 're-analysis'. Also before I joined Misplaced Pages, I noticed this as I visited the article a lot. Perhaps checking the "View history" box gives more proof what previous editors did. Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:49, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Sometimes @Typhoon2013: I think that people are not aware that the data is checked in the cold light of day, but regardless we always follow the latest best tracked data available to us. Which means that in this case we should be calling Fletcher a tropical low with either 30 or 35 kt winds rather than a full blown tropical cyclone because of the gale force wind rule.Jason Rees (talk) 10:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Your Suomi NPP images

I know you downloaded them from NOAA View Global Data Explorer. I also have downloaded many from it, yet your images are ridiculously blurred comparing to mine. Could you upload the original pictures with a better ratio next time? And I need to say that we do not need to only use MODIS or VIIRS images, if there are better ones from Himawari-8. 🐱💬 06:48, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@Meow: Yes, I know the images I get from NOAA View are blurry. However, this is unavoidable as far as I can see, considering the satellite imagery viewer only gives SNPP images to 750-metre resolution. Do you know how to fix this? Also, the Himawari-8 image is not better. It is very dark, the colouring is completely off, and it looks frightful. Sometimes the Himawari-8 image is better, like with your image for Severe Cyclonic Storm Mora, but in this case, no. However, I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me how to 'un-blur' the images from NOAA View. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

You need to use their “Capture Image” function and select the full resolution. If this does not work, you will have to check how you handle your images. I uploaded a huge picture for an extratropical cyclone from NOAA View before and that is so clear. I will upload the same one with a different filename as an example for you. Besides, I prefer JPEG for MODIS and VIIRS images. 🐱💬 07:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I think the problem is that those NOAA View images cannot be handled properly by Wikimedia Commons. I use the JPEG format with the 95% quality, yet this problem is solved. 🐱💬 07:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

What is the purpose?

Could I ask you why you uploaded the same Noru picture one hour after? Your timestamp is wrong, and the ratio as well as the scale are not more proper than what I uploaded. Could you really notice the difference of what we did to the same pictures? I need to say sorry, but this really upsets me. 🐱💬 06:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC) You also have a big problem on MODIS and VIIRS images: You don’t know their original resolution so you have artificially enlarged many images; that take people more time to download. I appreciate that you have contributed a lot, but it seems I have to fix what you have done many times. 🐱💬 08:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Unnecessary effort

I think you should not take much time on updating people’s images slightly, and what you have done is making the quality worse as you did not handle the quality of JPEG properly. Besides, what I have uploaded are presumed to be better than the ones from the gallery. In 2016, even NASA copied my picture for Emeraude, and English Misplaced Pages selected my Patricia picture as featured. Could you trust a bit more on other people’s effort?

For the Noru picture on July 31, honestly, we should not darken the details too much, for it actually looks very bright in real. 🐱💬 07:20, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Distances

Just to note, that we follow the JTWC follow the distances. Yes you are right that we follow the RSMC, but no, for this instance we only follow the JTWC ONLY for this, nothing else. This has been the layout (for PTS articles) ever since. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:59, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: No, this time I refuse. The JTWC coordinates are different to the JMA coordinates, which makes the distances inherently incorrect by the very way they are calculated. The JTWC distances are always at least 3 hours late, and will range up to 9 hours incorrect before they release their next advisory. Displaying such incorrect data is irresponsible and unacceptable. Additionally, it clearly states that the JTWC provides information solely for US government interests, in particular the US navy. As such, they give distances from places that have effectively no use to any normal person reading the article. Places such as Learmonth Air Base, Kadena Air Base, Wake Island and Minami-Tori-shima. The single reason the current infobox even exists is to give useful and potentially important information to the public on the strength and whereabouts of cyclones. Listing distances in terms of air bases which literally no one has heard of (I live in Australia, and I can guarantee with 100% certainty that basically no one who lives outside of a small area in Western Australia will have heard of the RAAF's Learmonth base) is ridiculous on a public encyclopedia. The same goes for Kadena Air Base. They are not useful whatsoever to anyone other than the specific intended audience of the JTWC's advisories—the US navy.

If it's too much effort to calculate the distances based on the up-to-date and correct JMA coordinates, then let me do it. I am very happy to do it myself, as I enjoy doing it. But I will continue to change the incorrect JTWC distances to the correct JMA distances for as long as it is necessary to do so. Thank you for your understanding. ChocolateTrain (talk) 10:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: Also, if I may add, I would like to iron out something. The fact that something has been done in the past does not make it right, even if it has been done for a long time. Holding that as a reason for sticking with something is logically fallacious. ChocolateTrain (talk) 10:12, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for replying late. Regarding about the time, they are the same as the JMAs. I did have the same problem as you before, but I was not fully reading the advisory back then. If for example the JTWC issues an advisory during 03Z, then the storm's information was during 00Z (if you read the advisory you will understand). Also it does not have to be from the storm's advisory itself because the JTWC issues the WPac advisories every 6 hours. It doesn't matter if people know the place or not, and that's the reason why ofc, we use hyperlinks. Also there is no source where you get the distances from, so we still to whatever information we have. So please keep it this way. Typhoon2013 (talk) 11:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: The JMA must have changed what they do since last you looked, because it clearly says on their advisories "Analysis at 09 UTC, 6 August", which is issued just 45 minutes later, not three hours. Also, what you said about the JTWC, that's exactly my point. It is issued three hours late at earliest, then it is another 6 hours until they issue the next one. 3+6=9, so it is 9 hours late as I said originally. And it does matter if people don't know where they are. Hyperlinks are meant to explain difficult concepts and to extend the breadth of the reader's knowledge, not to direct a reader somewhere because we're too lazy to make it easier for them. Also, I don't need a source. It is literally the Earth. It is a finite, concrete distance from Point A to Point B. Anyone can work it out. ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Still not accepting this, especially when you said "I don't need a source". Everything needs to have a source. Because if you use your own distances, people will be like "how could we trust you?" which is the same for me. Also you are not the agency itself, unless you really are working in a RSMC agency, but I highly doubt that. According to guidelines, we use JTWC for distances. JMA does not use distances as well so sorry. I guess you really just have to get used to the layout(s) within all articles from the WPTC. Any problems with you aside from this topic, I do not see any, so I really hope you do follow the things you've learnt by now. Typhoon2013 (talk) 18:25, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually Typhoon2013 we do apply some common sense when putting distances in and at times I just take a position and measure it in google earth or using one of the numerous lat/long calculators that are available. As for using JTWC over JMA that's just pure and utter tosh and the standard should be changed if there really is a standard. Also Typhoon2013 I feel that you need to lay off some of the advice giving and try and concentrate on ensuring accuracy in what you are saying.Jason Rees (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Well if the user makes a change of some sort of layout, then (s)he should start a discussion about it with another user or leave a message over in the WPTC talk page. This is to clarify other users that there is a "new" thing, and would help reduce edit warring and conflicts. Typhoon2013 (talk) 18:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Citation

It is very improper to remove a valid citation or a proof for a fact in Misplaced Pages, and I hope you will never do it again. Besides, I am very tired of talking about people’s issues. Please let me take a rest by doing things better. 🐱💬 13:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Meow: Umm... I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. I don't remember removing anyone's citation, and if I did, I'm sure it was either accidental or it was for a good reason. Sorry if this caused you distress, though you need to be a bit more resilient, especially considering this is an encyclopedia which is open for everyone to edit—Misplaced Pages encourages everyone to be bold with their edits. Please remember to assume good faith, and not take everything personally. Also, no one is saying you have to hound me about my supposed flaws, so you have brought that tiredness upon yourself. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:37, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

It looks like you removed one here by accident ChocolateTrain, but the main question on my lips is why are we putting citations in the lead, when the leads are not supposed to contain refs or include facts that arent already in the article.Jason Rees (talk) 16:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

New goals?

I'm sorry I forgot to discuss this before, but if you would like, you could help improve articles by adding information in, especially for the 'Preparations and Impacts' section. I'm not forcing you to and you don't have to do this, but it's just a suggestion for you to 'extend' yourself as a user if you can see yourself contributing further to the project in the coming months (hopefully years). I really wanted to do this, like to work with someone who is new because why not? I have done similarly to this before two years ago with a user, though sadly the user other stuff going in his life and barely edits now. So anyways, if you do accept and start working on it, I suggest you to start with WPac storm articles because there are a lot of articles that have 'problems'. It would be great for you so, again, you could extend yourself and you could contribute with other users (if you don't know some) and especially how I'm focusing on other minor stuff like adding OS and switching ACEs for the WPac etc, plus I have exams to get ready soon in a couple of months, so my edits will go down around those times. Any questions if you would like to ask or comments or anything, just leave a message either in my talk page or by pinging me, as usual. Typhoon2013 05:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Aus Tropical Low

Thanks for catching Perth's first low of the season - however, rather than referring to the analysis chart it might be better to refer to RSMC La Reunion ITCZ bulletin for meteorological details since realistically its in their AOR.Jason Rees (talk) 15:28, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Yep and just a tip, I would suggest not to put "too much" information in just a small system, especially if a system will be likely to be moved to the OS section, unless this system has its own section. If you don't know one of my concerns here is the length of a season article when it becomes too big like the PTS articles and we may see a likeliness to that for the AusR articles too, with the 2016-17 article having a big OS section. Though everything seems fine and still love the efforts you're putting in the project as usual and keep up the good work. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Categories

Please do not add the parent categories if there have been already the proper categories. What you have done may make categories disorganised. 🐱💬 07:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

My last explanation

You keep ignoring facts and suggestions from other editors in Misplaced Pages. I have said many times that you should not enlarge any satellite image and pretend that the images are with “better resolution”. The best resolution of a VIIRS sensor is 375 meter, but what you have uploaded are incorrectly larger than the sensor resolution. I also corrected images with the proper ratio and scale, but you just reverted them with a such impolite way. This is my last explanation about this issue. If you continue providing incorrect efforts throughout Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia Commons, I will take action seriously. 🐱💬 05:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

@Meow: Meow, I appreciate that you are trying to help; however, the manner in which are acting is not appropriate. Firstly, I do not ignore people, and I don't see how I've ignored facts before. Also, I may have expressed disagreement with some suggestions, but that does not at all mean I have ignored them. Just because you may not like that I have presented reasons that refute your 'suggestions' does not give you the right to demonise me and allege untrue accusations.

Your accusation that I am enlarging photos and pretending they have better resolution is entirely inaccurate and displays a lack of faith in my contributions. I am not a liar, and would not claim that something was the case if indeed it was not, to the best of my knowledge. I either click the 125-m or 250-m resolution on Worldview, and consequently I receive images with far more pixels than the ones you provided. Also, can you please tell me where it says that the maximum possible resolution is 375 metres? I don't doubt you, but I want to see it.

Also, you cannot assume that whatever you do is correct and whatever I do is wrong. That is just simply self-important, distrusting, and dismissive of my efforts, opinions and contributions as simply folly and a waste of space. That is the way you are acting. To quote your own instructions to me, "Could you trust a bit more on other people's effort?" You have previously requested that I not update other people's uploaded content. There are a number of problems with that (one particular one being that this is Misplaced Pages...), but the one I am most frustrated about is that you evidently regard your own actions as too important to be governed by that rule which you so willingly stamp on me. Since telling me not to change your uploads, you have changed my uploads a number of times without any compunction whatsoever. It is utter hypocrisy and is completely unfair.

I don't agree with your highly arrogant and supercilious assertion that your uploads are (quote), "presumed to be better than the ones from the gallery". Your pictures are so presumed by who, exactly? Yourself, no doubt, but I can't think of many others who would agree with that comment. Indeed, Typhoon2013 certainly wouldn't agree, as he favours gallery images. I am sure some of your pictures are better than some of the pictures on NASA's gallery, but it does follow that all of your pictures are necessarily better.

You keep saying that you are 'correcting' or 'fixing' my (and others') images in terms of their scale or ratio. You can't attach words such as those. They are 'correct' or 'fixed' in your mind, perhaps, but not in mine. My opinion has equal weight to yours. Additionally, I often explain at length why I do things, whereas you regularly provide disjointed and confusing reasons for particular actions. An example of this is your recent comment on my talk page about categories. It was evident to you that I was not informed on the conventions for the categorisation of cyclone images, which is demonstrated by the fact that you left me a message correcting me. However, I do not really understand what you mean by 'parent categories' and 'proper categories', as you have not explained your self-created terms. A message such as that is not useful, as it conveys no meaningful information to the recipient. I think what you mean is to only put, for example, "Typhoon Banyan" instead of "2017 Pacific typhoon season" and "Pacific typhoons in the 2010s" as categories, but I'm not sure. If that is what you meant, then why do those categories even exist on Wikimedia Commons if we're not meant to put images in them?

Lastly, I am not impolite. I pride myself on being well-mannered, polite and respectful in the way in which I conduct myself. You could ask anyone I know, and they would agree. I do not understand how my efforts can be 'incorrect', as you called them. You often complain to me about having to endlessly 'fix' my so-called 'mistakes'. Well, you don't have to 'fix' what I do, as there's nothing wrong with what I do. I'd appreciate it if you stopped pretending that you are somehow superior to me and have to tediously 'fix' all my 'mistakes', because that is not at all the case. There's a very simple way to not be tired of 'fixing' my so-called mistakes: don't 'fix' them. Also, I do not appreciate this continual harassment which is verging on bullying. I will not accept you threatening me into submission by warning you will take "serious action", and manipulating me to your will because you are annoyed and spiteful because not everyone holds your romanticised opinion that your pictures are glorious. And, ultimately, if you do feel like getting rid of me, who you undoubtedly consider an enemy and a blemish in this community, then be my guest and request an external opinion. I am fully confident that they will find no wrong in any of my actions, as I am certain that everything I do is the best interest of the cyclone articles and Misplaced Pages as a whole. Thank you for your understanding. Kind regards, ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

If you had not ignored, why haven’t you felt anything wrong about what you have done? For the VIIRS resolution, there has been already a Misplaced Pages article explaining it clearly, why wouldn’t you do some research before keeping objecting my opinions? My efforts are confirmed by English Misplaced Pages and people selected mine as a featured picture. Moreover, NASA even directly copied what I have done to Intense Tropical Cyclone Emeraude. As some of yours are with lots of significant issues, why shouldn’t I correct them?

I have paid much efforts on all of things I uploaded. I highly restrict myself to follow the proper scale by finding out the eye’s location very carefully. I also restrict myself on resizing the image to the nadir of the sensor resolution. However, it seems that all of my efforts are meaningless to you. I have my life and my time. If you can upload images without significant issues, I will be very glad. Yet, the current situation is that you have not done it as what I have expected.

You claim you are not impolite, but you describe me as utter hypocrisy, highly arrogant, and supercilious. If double standards are okay with you, it will be fine. I accept your personal attack. 🐱💬 10:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

@Meow: Please reread the phrasing of my above comments carefully. At no time did I call you a hypocrite, arrogant or supercilious. It was very clear in the construction of the sentences, paragraphs and evidence contained therein that I was referring to certain actions of yours. To be honest, I don't see how you can deny that, either. It is plainly obvious to me that when you tell me not to do edit your uploads, then you proceed to edit my uploads, your actions are clearly hypocritical. Additionally, I would say that the word arrogant describes very well you saying that your images are "presumed to be better than the ones from the gallery", and then telling me many times that the images I work on are worse than yours by default.

Also, just because I asserted and defended myself from your incessant harassment does not make me impolite. I did not call you names, I did not swear at you, and I did nothing, having reread my comment many times, that should label me as impolite. I am concerned that you feel that my comment above is a personal attack. In no way is that the case, or was that the intended purpose. I am exercising my right as a human being to assert my opinion and defend myself against continual accusations. I wish to be afforded some decent respect.

Despite what you may think, I also spend a lot of time editing the images I download to improve their appearance before I upload them to Commons. That quality is not unique to you. Indeed, on my most recent image (which you have rejected once again), I have followed all of your suggestions. I have adjusted the aspect ratio so that it is similar to your uploads, I have not made the image too dark, I have put the eye in the centre, I only clicked the 250-m resolution (it was a MODIS instrument this time, not VIIRS), and I specifically used the non-rounded exact time at which the photo was taken. Your image followed hardly any of these—your own—conventions. Then you proceeded to say that my timecode was wrong and thus my image warrants removing from the article and replacing with your own. How is this fair, according to your own standards? By the way, see here to find that the photo was taken at 02:52 UTC, not 02:50 as you claimed.

Finally, and once again, me objecting to your opinions or suggestions does not mean I have ignored them. You once again presented this falsehood in your reply. And no, your efforts are not meaningless to me at all. The same is unlikely to be said on your opinion of my efforts, though, considering I have 'not done it as what you expected'. Anyway, I need to do other things at the moment. I don't have time to continue this conversation right now. ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. — nihlus kryik  (talk) 09:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

August 2017

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at 2017 Pacific typhoon season. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Your edit summary left with the edit you made here is not the proper way to discuss a dispute. Please take your concerns to the article's talk page. ~Oshwah~ 03:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)