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Notability

Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found link.

No de.Wiki article.

Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect.

K.e.coffman (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes it is. Total higher than Allied aces bar M Pattle and one or two Soviet pilots. Dapi89 (talk) 12:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:SOLDIER does not make a provision for high totals. What makes a subject notable is RS coverage that discusses the subject directly and in detail so that an NPOV bio can be created. Is there such coverage for the subject? K.e.coffman (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Dapi89 (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:SOLDIER does not discuss totals, that doesn't mean Misplaced Pages considers them to be unimportant. This man is in the top 20 of the highest scoring night fighter pilots in history. That is more than enough. And he received the highest award for bravery (albeit not the highest grade of that award). Dapi89 (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Redirect

Restoring the redirect. The recent expansion has not been an improvement. The article copy mostly consists of WP:OR based on a collection of primary material:

Foreman, John; Parry, Simon; Matthews, Johannes (2004). Luftwaffe Night Fighter Claims 1939–1945. Walton on Thames: Red Kite. ISBN 978-0-9538061-4-0.

The other large component is WP:SYNTH based on materials not about the subject. Misplaced Pages is not a publishing platform for original thought.

As a follow-up to the discussion above, successful completion of missions (sorties flown, # of enemy aircraft shot down, etc) is not part of SOLDIER. A MilHist RfC on this topic has failed to gain consensus in May of 2017:

• MilHist:RfC on the notability of flying aces.

For a relevant AfD on a WW2 German flying ace, please see:

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Fritz Lüddecke, which closed as "Delete" in September 2017.

K.e.coffman (talk) 06:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

• K.e.coffman, with all your notable contributions to Misplaced Pages, you cannot actually do things like this. It is against our policy guidelines. You have deleted an article without ever launching a deletion discussion which is required in order to form the WP:CONSENSUS. Your example of Fritz Lüddecke was ill-suited, because it was a one-paragraph article (basically a stub) with one keep and two delete !votes in a controversial closure. On the other hand, this article was (-22,942)‎ in size with 41 citations and 9 books in bibliography. Sure it was terribly WP:POVed, with statements like: "extreme battlefield bravery" and "successful military leadership", but that could have been fixed by you or someone else. Sorry, Poeticbent talk 16:07, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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