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Armking

I checked the contribs before I went to AIV. His only contributions were circular redirects. Let me ask you this, if someone posts twelve to fourteen *different* instances where a page redirects to another as their *only conributions*, is that vandalism or not? KC9CQJ 23:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you completely that his behaviour was not contributing to the encyclopedia. But a little communication could do wonders in some cases. You don't know the reason why he acted the way he did, and you made no attempt to find out. It indeed looks like vandalism, but only a mild form of it. He now is blocked indefinitely for 12 to 14 incorrect redirects, which seems a bit overdone to me. Errabee 23:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

And then promptly created a sockpuppet named Armking2, evaded the block, and started doing the same thing all over again. The redirected articles had absolutely nothing to do with one another at all and were creating circular references all over the place. One redirect, maybe....but twenty over two different user accounts? I call that disruption, not a general error. KC9CQJ 00:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know, and he created a second sockpuppet named Armhead as well. Just because you're proven right in this case, does not mean that WP:AGF should be disregarded; maybe a beginning vandal could be persuaded to do some constructive editing instead. Errabee 00:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You're correct, but to me, WP:AGF does not apply when the supposed new user himself is in violation of WP:POINT or being a general disruption and is doing things that most new users don't do, like create circular redirects and spawn sockpuppets every three minutes. (he's up to nine right now) That's what this one has been doing, that's why he was reported to AIV in the manner he was rather than more constructive or progressive warnings. Sorry for the confusion. KC9CQJ 01:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

No apologies necessary. We're all working towards the same goal in our own way. Errabee 01:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion at WP:AID

That was an accident. I had no idea it even happened. Thanks for fixing it. Maurreen 10:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I already surmised it was a mistake upon seeing your edit history. Errabee 10:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Sterrenstad/Star City

Weet jij toevallig ook of Sterrenstad nog steeds zwaar beveiligd ('highly restricted') is, zoals in het artikel Star City, Moscow staat vermeld? (ik vroeg me dit af omdat er blijkbaar wel foto's kunnen worden gemaakt) Alvast bedankt. --Hardscarf 20:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Ik ben er 4 jaar geleden geweest, en het wordt inderdaad nog steeds zwaar beveiligd. Je moet speciale toestemming hebben om er te komen, je moet bij de slagboom niet met je fototoestel zwaaien, maar verderop is het geen probleem, zoals ook uit mijn foto's blijkt. Uiteraard is de beveiliging niet meer zo strikt als ten tijde van de Sovjetunie, toen het bestaan van Sterrenstad gewoon werd ontkend. Errabee 21:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Aha, bedankt! (komt me trouwens bekend voor van mijn reizen naar Rusland) Kom je trouwens ook nog eens langs op de Nederlandse wikipedia om iets te schrijven over Rusland, of hou je het (nog steeds) definitief voor gezien? Ik zou het persoonlijk wel leuk vinden als je weer eens langs kwam (en met mij vele anderen vermoed ik), maar de keuze is natuurlijk aan jou. --Hardscarf 18:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Graag gedaan. De Nederlandse wiki heb ik echter definitief vaarwel gezegd, hoe spijtig ik dat ook vind om geen contact meer te hebben met sommige gebruikers. Errabee 21:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Jammer, ik zou persoonlijk graag hebben gezien dat je terug zou komen, maar in elk geval veel plezier en succes hier gewenst dan :) --Hardscarf 21:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Nog steeds teveel oud zeer daar. Ik lees nog af en toe bij, en bepaalde gebruikers halen me zelfs dan nog het bloed onder de nagels. Hier is het allemaal veel relaxter, aardiger tegen elkaar, en als er conflicten zijn is er een uitstekende arbcom. Errabee 22:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Tja er is sprake van een proces denk ik, langzamerhand wordt het wel wat professioneler (meer bronvermeldingen, schrijfwedstrijden, mensen die reviews geven, een proces rond etalageartikelen en een Arbcom die nog in de 'kinderschoenen' staat), maar voorlopig is het inderdaad nog een andere wereld dan hier op de Engelse wikipedia, waar, waarschijnlijk door het veel grotere aantal gebruikers (meer mensen betekent ook een grotere kans op mensen die dingen op een nuchtere wijze kunnen en willen bezien en daarmee ook op een normale vriendelijke manier), ook een professionelere sfeer is ontstaan met meer mogelijkheden tot het oplossen van een conflict. Dat neemt natuurlijk niet weg dat er altijd gebruikers blijven die de sfeer verpesten of ontwikkelingen die gewenst zijn door een groot deel van de gemeenschap proberen tegen te gaan (ego's nog even buiten beschouwing gelaten). En helaas hebben dergelijke gebruikers een te groot effect op de sfeer, zeker als ze te lang vrij worden gelaten, wat helaas nog erg vaak gebeurt. Ik hoop dan ook dat er snel een arbcom komt, want ik heb het gevoel dat hier echt behoefte aan is. Daarvoor zijn denk ik echter een aantal mensen nodig die worden geaccepteerd als mediators om werkelijk als autoriteit te worden gezien. --Hardscarf 11:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Star City cat

Hmm, good point. We have Category:Closed cities, but it would not apply for the same reason—Star City is not a city; it's a facility. Placing this article directly to Category:Moscow Oblast, however, should solve the problem. Let me know if there is anything else I can help with. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I also moved the article to Star City, Russia, because the facility is located outside of Moscow.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

That was long overdue. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Olonets

No bother at all, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I will probably have to re-do the article altogether; you are right, there are quite a few inaccuracies, especially in the modern section. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Kholuy

Well, the website says the school of icon painting was established in 1882 or 1883, if I'm not mistaken. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia gives 1932 as the year the school of miniature painting was founded. I'm not sure who's right, but you are free to correct the dates. Didn't mean to ruin your article. Keep up the good work! KNewman 20:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean the second one? Errabee 20:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an expert :), but see for yourself .

If you ask me, I tend to believe the GSE :). KNewman 21:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

commenting out LoPbN rdlks

_ _ Thanks for your attention to two Nic... rd lks. LoPbN, even more than the average WP area, is work in progress, and there is nothing inherantly wrong with rd lks there: they are solicitations to start the bio article. When they went over to comments, that process was pretty much pre-empted, so i looked into whether they were good or bad rdlks. It turns out both people are n-n, so they needed to go, rather than emerge from their comment markups.
_ _ I do sometimes put new entries in comments, not so much bcz they are re-lk'd, but bcz they've been recently active & the contributor might be watching & offer missing info to change my (occasionally wrong) impression that they are n-n.
_ _ It looks to me like your LoPbN insights are pretty accurate. (I didn't follow your logic re Tesla -- my std statement rests on most people being better alphabetizable by their surnames, and there being no value and substantial burden in listing anyone by given name unless they either have no surname, or are so well known by given name without surname (Madonna, Elvis) as to be likely to be looked up by given name -- but you were dead on as to the action needed on Tesla's "Nic..." entry.) So i hope you'll find it worth your attention to continue working on the list. Thanks!
--Jerzy•t 19:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I commented out several other red links as well, but in general I feel that if a page does not already exist about a person, the chance is high the person is n-n. In these cases I got that impression as well, but was reluctant to remove them entirely for the same reasons you state in your second point. My logic re Tesla is the same as yours but somewhat shorter stated (and therefore perhaps not explicit enough). Errabee 19:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

_ _ After stating it my way, i looked again at yours, and decided we probably agreed after all. Explicit enuf, IMO, bcz anyone who's confused can ask, can't they?
_ _ I'm catching up on my normal review of LoPbN changes (after having been mostly off-line for two weeks), and i'll keep an eye open for those, to check a little more thoroughly. Ya know, maybe i was too negative: if you're labeling them as you did in the summaries i already saw, and if your impressions continue as accurate as those two, commenting them out is more like what i do with speediable deletions: i tag articles for speedy, and delete many that others have tagged, but never delete for n-n w/ a second opinion. Maybe your commenting them should be seen as an effective way of leaving the opportunity for a similar double check!
--Jerzy•t 01:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Novels WikiProject

Hi, and welcome to the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of topics related to fiction books often refered to as "Novels".

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Some questions response

How long should a story be before it is considered a novel?

I can't answer that. It is like most things in wikipedia down to other authorities in the field. i.e does the general literary world consider something a novel (or novella) or not. References and citations are always the key. Does that help. Probably not! :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 11:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, I do think your assessment of Low-importance for Heart of a Dog is too low.

Good spot that was a slip of the wrist, correcting now! :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 11:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Pelagiya

Sorry about that, you are right. I believe I was trying to take out the novelinfoboxneeded template but deleted them both by mistake. Thank you for catching this; the novelswikiproject template has been replaced. -- Gizzakk 22:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Likewise

It's no problem. I was reading the line after the request for an eval. of The Grapes of Wrath and the response was "already had one - project banners go on talk pages.!" I disliked the exclaimation mark as to me it denotes anger (in this case indignation) and well, I was in a ... not so great mood. It was only directed to that person. I posted it on the main page (the project box) because I saw it like that somewhere else. When I saw how big of a deal this mistake was I thought you guys were too 'hardcore' for me. I was mistaken I see, and probably caught someone else in a bad mood, and well, c'est la vie, n'est-ce pa?

Severus Snape

I noticed that you just put a tag on the Severus Snape talk page, saying ot was an ungraded part of wikiproject novels. Interesting, but from the tag I cannot for the life of me see what anyone is supposed to do now. Sandpiper 11:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back. As a non-member of the wiki harry Potter project, who nonetheless is one of the major contributors to it, I may also like to contribute to this assessment process. Putting on a tag which does not explain anything about this process doesn't help me to do so. The alternative seems to be that I shall now need to do several hours reading to find out how this works. Regards. Incidentally, I have read a lot more novels than most people. I recognise most of your listed books, how many people do nowadays?Sandpiper 11:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

To be fair, that doesn't mean I remember them all. Some were terrible and most not exactly unique. I am just reading the discussion about 'Starship troopers'. When I saw the film I recognised the plot as from 'Enders game', which I do recall as a very interesting book. It is hard to comment, because I don't think I read starship trooper, though I may have. I just checked the articles again but could not find any reference to the similarity between the two (Enders game was written later). But I do remember finding such a reference in the articles in the past, appears to been deleted. I had the suspicion that Enders game was arguably a better version of the same theme. Sandpiper

Erast Fandorin

Re: User talk:Grey Shadow#Erast Fandorin

The article looks good. I think it's missing something, but I'm not sure what exactly. Apart from adding some more to the novel descriptions, and perhaps a picture in to go in the Physical description section I'm not sure what to add. Have you had a look at the other main fictional detectives (Nancy Drew, Hercule Poirot, and Sherlock Holmes) for ideas? You could list it at Misplaced Pages:Good article candidates and see what happens. Grey Shadow 05:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I've read the novels in German translation, with the advantage of having 10 out of 11 available (I only have the first one in print in Russian, but thankfully, six of them are available online). thanks for building the article, dab (ᛏ) 11:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

In-universe

It doesn't need much to change it - if you look at Padmé Amidala you will see it breaks up mentions of her life story with references to the films and outside sources. You can do the same by mentioning the books or the author ("Boris Akunin has described him as having.." or "He first appears in the White Queen as..."). You could also add references to the adaptations: "In the novels he has a stammer but the portrayal by...did not feature this" etc. (assuming there are some differences). Another good example of an out of universe approach is Sherlock Holmes which is peppered with references to the novels when establishing the background and characteristics. Good luck. Yomangani 10:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Assessment of novels

I've responded to your comment etc. on the Assessment talk page.

Image:JoopWijn.jpg

Greetings. Did you read the copyright information (in Dutch) on the image description page? This indicates to me that the image may be used, so long as the original source is credited, which is the same restriction as the cc-by license. All the best, – Quadell 19:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. How do you think it should be tagged? – Quadell 19:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

AID Votes

Thanks for letting me know about that. I was a bit tired when I was doing my voting, so I didn't realize I'd put the vote in the wrong section. TransNique 18:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Canvasing

Hi, Errabee! As per the dictionary, canvasing is the act of "going through (a district) or go to (persons) in order to solicit orders or political support; to seek or solicit orders or votes", support, in other words. The problem lies not in the act of solicitation, I fear, but in its repurcussions. For example, after 90 individuals were notified of the Queen's College vote, four votes were added in its support. My own submission, coffee, then fell behind the article when it had lead it only a couple of hours before. Should I have decided to do so, I could have then requested an even larger number of editors to support coffee's nomination. A third editor feels that he is the disadvantaged, and does the same. How long until all of our user_talk pages are fuller of unsolicited advertisements for support than our email inboxes are with advertisements for penis growing potions and penny stock tips? – ClockworkSoul 22:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

As I don't hand out my e-mail address to just anyone, I don't receive a whole lot of those unwanted e-mails :) Errabee 23:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You're smarter than me then. :) On the other hand, I know a fantastic product to burn fat while you sleep, and I have recently been told that "right now precious metal st0cks are one of the hottest things going!" (Yes, I just copied and pasted that one - I'm going to be rich!) Cheers! – ClockworkSoul 04:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I have two email addresses. One that I use very cautiously, and another free email address that I use whenever a web page needs my email address. The first one has only been discovered b the Nigerian fraud spammers, claiming I have won 25 million USD in the Canadian Internet Lottery or someone has died and left several million USD in a bank account which they need me to empty. The second one, I don't really care what comes in. Errabee 10:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Yeah sure you can put the Queen's University nomination back up for AID. Thanks for all the help :) Speedystickd 22:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:ARCAID and userpage

Hi there, Thanks for your note on my talk page. I agree with your idea of a vote, and would certainly favour a ban on mass solicitation on user talk pages, while allowing portal pages, although I personally think that the links posted on such pages should merely advertise that ARCAID has a relevant nomination, and suggest that users visit ARCAID.

Regarding my userpage, I use Firefox too, and the buttons work fine on Firefox under Windows and Mac... Have you checked whether you've disabled javascript?

Regards, Draicone 06:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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Stingray / Pijlstaartrog

Hallo Errabee, je hebt gelijk met het verwijderen van die interwikilink. Ik had de interwiki toegevoegd omdat het Nederlandse artikel verwijst naar het Engelse Stingray, dus ik ging er van uit dat het omgekeerd dan ook kan. Daarnaast wordt bij de dood van Steve Irwin in de Engelse nieuwsartikelen gezegd dat hij werd doorboord door een Stingray en in de Nederlandse artikelen dat hij werd doorboord door een pijlstaartrog. Het Nederlandse artikel gaat alleen over de gewone pijlstaartrog (common Stingray) en heeft dus eigenlijk de verkeerde titel. Ik denk dat het het beste is als we de Nederlandse versie uitbreiden met andere soorten pijlstaartroggen, zoals dat ook op andere wikipedia's gebeurd. Maartenvdbent 14:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

intussen de boel op NL veranderd. Een nieuw artikele nl:pijlstaartroggen krijgt nu wel de interwiki's. Maartenvdbent 15:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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Mykungfu 19:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Mykungfu 19:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, as you have been contributing to a number of novels articles recently I would personally like to invite you to have a look at and consider participating in, our WikiProject Novels Collaboration department.

We propose articles to have a concerted effort at and once agreed edit away to make as many improvements as we can.!!

We look forward to possibly gaining the benefit of your input! :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 11:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome!

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! plange 19:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 66/11/5. I learned quite a bit during the process, and I expect to be learning a lot more in the days ahead. I will be taking things slowly (and doing a lot of re-reading), but I hope you will let me know if there is anything I can do to improve in my new capacity. -- Merope 13:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)