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::The problem is OR and the terminology. More examples are "]" and "]" (wow.), which is just... terrible. The latter is not used as an identifier in historiography nor is it a plausible search (obviously, "central Serbian principality" and "inner Serbian principality" have 0 hits at Gbooks). <u>It is your own creation (Original Research).</u> Next, the word "regions" is rightly used for geographical regions, but the terminology again is wrong—does it imply historical regions now in Serbia that existed in the Middle Ages (far-fetched) or '']'' in the Medieval Serbian state(s)?--] 01:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::The problem is OR and the terminology. More examples are "]" and "]" (wow.), which is just... terrible. The latter is not used as an identifier in historiography nor is it a plausible search (obviously, "central Serbian principality" and "inner Serbian principality" have 0 hits at Gbooks). <u>It is your own creation (Original Research).</u> Next, the word "regions" is rightly used for geographical regions, but the terminology again is wrong—does it imply historical regions now in Serbia that existed in the Middle Ages (far-fetched) or '']'' in the Medieval Serbian state(s)?--] 01:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Zoupan}} I did not create "]"! Look at the history of that page - I just moved "vardaskan" to "vardarian". ] (]) 10:13, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Zoupan}} I did not create "]"! Look at the history of that page - I just moved "vardaskan" to "vardarian". ] (]) 10:13, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks, I should of use the "move" command for that correction.
Correction
Thanks, I should of use the "move" command for that correction.
I corrected all of the links.
What are you doing?
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I created that list in its present complete form on Saint Sava as you can see from the history of that page, and I transferred the same list to relevant pages. Why do you think that page Kingdom of Serbia (medieval) should not have information about its main religious institutions. You have some agenda here, thats clear. Sorabino (talk) 02:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
What is my agenda? I do not think that an article on the Serbian state active in the period of 1217–1346 should have such a detailed list about the 1219–1235 ecclessiastical division of the Serbian Orthodox Church. You copy-pasted the exact same list to 5 articles. Leave that information on the relevant pages.--Zoupan03:02, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
You answer clearly shows that you have no idea what are you talking about. Its not just "1219-1235" ! All of those eparhies existed during entire period 1219-1346 and their existence and entire ecclesiastical order of thet time is very relevant for understanding the history of medieval Kingdom of Serbia, that is clear as day, and you are wrong.Sorabino (talk) 03:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Actually, you have no idea what you're talking about. By copy-pasting that same information to five independent articles, it is clear that you yourself don't know what that information should signify. very relevant for understanding the history of medieval Kingdom of Serbia, that is clear as day Eh, no? Here, you pasted it into the Reign of Stefan-section. Here, you pasted it in the middle of the Nemanjić dynasty-section. Are you aware of the fact that the eparchy structures of 1219–1235 and, let's say, 1321, were not the same. Should we past bulleted lists of such ecclessiastical overviews/changes/whatever to every "relevant" (meaning, not-so) articles? Please have some common sense.--Zoupan03:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Of course that during time new eparchies were created or added to Serbian Archbishopric, church structure was developing, but all of the old eparchies remained functioning during entire time. You are now trying to change the subject here because you do not have arguments for your actions. Sorabino (talk) 03:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Summary: You do not have an argument for the inclusion of said list at these broader articles. You are still missing the point.--Zoupan03:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Eparchy of Lipljan
Eparchy of Lipljan is a copy of Eparchy of Raška and Prizren. Why create an exact copy instead of adding independent information, if you have such, to the history section? The Eparchy of Lipljan is a defunct (former) eparchy, its jurisdiction part of the Eparchy of Raška and Prizren. The history section at the latter treats the history of the Eparchy of Ras, and Prizren. It would be best to merge these two articles.--Zoupan02:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Anyone who is contributing to Misplaced Pages in good faith would not make those actions you did today regarding page Eparchy of Lipljan]. I created that page today and I am still working on it. And what did you do? Instead of asking me for my intentions with this page, you erased all pictures from the page (and all of them are relevant to history of the eparchy) and then you started the procedure for killing the page! Your agenda is clear as a day! Sorabino (talk) 03:16, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Its not "the exact copy" that is also clear, I am just using the same structure for adding new data - and you are trying to stop me at the very beginning of my work / I started that page today, few hours ago !!! and you are trying to kill it right away, for some reason that is known only to you. Sorabino (talk) 03:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
I simply wanted to notice you and initiate a discussion. Creating an article and copy-pasting are not the same. I am not trying to stop you. Good luck with your article.--Zoupan03:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
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I just removed a bunch of prod tags that you placed on redirects. At WP:PROD it says the prod policy does not apply to redirects, so please don't place prod tags on redirects. Instead, please use WP:RFD. Thanks. Calathan (talk) 18:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Sorabino, you aren't nominating those for RFD correctly. You are putting the text that is supposed to go onto the RFD page onto the redirects themselves. Please stop what you are doing and re-read WP:RFD#HOWTO. Part 1 of that section is about what you do on the redirect page itself, while part 2 is for the RFD page. Calathan (talk) 21:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
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@Antidiskriminator: Thank you for your message. I guess that you will also be interested to know that user Zoupan has just accused me of having "conspiracy theories" and he did that on a talk page of user Vanjagenije, who is also an administrator: (diff) So, be free to react on that too. Sorabino (talk) 02:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
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75 years since Norway's largest massacre, mostly of Serbs
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It is OK, I understand, but was there a problem with terms "Estern Othodox" - "Greek Orthodox" since eastern-orthodox patriarchates of Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria are in fact predominantly Greek, or something else was not right? Sorabino (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
No, the problem was not with the denomination. You are right that for all intents and purposes, "Eastern Orthodox" equals "Greek Orthodox". The problem lies elsewhere: One, you have created terms that are simply never used. For instance, nobody refers to the Latin Patriarchate of Constantinople as the "Roman Catholic Archbishopric of Constantinople". Whenever one talks of the "Archbishop of Constantinople", that is usually, in Western languages at least, the (Eastern Orthodox) Ecumenical Patriarch. So creating any disambiguation pages and redirects with all of these terms is redundant, and even misleading for those who don't know, but may stumble upon them. Secondly, by creating the disambiguation pages in the first place, you place the Ecumenical Patriarch as "Archbishop of Constantinople" on equal footing in terms of importance with the Latin and Armenian patriarchs. While the latter are important, this is one case where the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the title "Archbishop of Constantinople" is overwhelmingly clear. The situation should be dealt with with a hatnote at the Ecumenical Patriarchate's page. This was missing, for some reason, I have now added it. Constantine ✍ 20:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, I understand your point now. I saw earlier that in various articles term "Archbishop of Constantinople" was used loosely and without proper clarification that it is an eastern orthodox ecclesiastical institution, and therefore I made "Estern Othodox" and "Greek Orthodox" variants. Since patriarchal titles were officially introduced after 451, until then all major sees were just archbishoprics, or metropolitanates. But that is not of crucial importance, for this issue. So, what is yours proposal for the solution? Sorabino (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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And I reverted a couple more. ISBNs should definitely not be deleted, and if you reformat the code into a single line, either do it for entire bibliography or leave it alone. No such user (talk) 10:13, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I just saw your warnings and I am surprised by your comments since I added just one historical scientific work of late Serbian historian, university professor Sima Ćirković who was a well known scholar and member of several academic institutions in Europe. How can adding such references be qualified in a the way you did? Please, take a look at the source I added: Ćirković, Sima (2004). The Serbs. Malden: Blackwell Publishing. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help). That is relevant scholarly material, by all standards. Sorabino (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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Catholicism (term)
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You have clearly misunderstood the concept of both redirects (as already pointed out to you) and disambiguation pages. One example is Central Serbia (disambiguation), which lists historical Serbian principalities — how exactly are these identified as Central Serbia? In historiography they are certainly not. The history section at Central Serbia has information on those subjects anyway. So... Please explain how you did come up with Central Serbian Principality of Raška? Please stop these OR edits as they do not help the encyclopaedia whatsoever.--Zoupan23:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
The problem is OR and the terminology. More examples are "Vardaskan language" and "Inner Serbian Principality in the Early Middle Ages" (wow.), which is just... terrible. The latter is not used as an identifier in historiography nor is it a plausible search (obviously, "central Serbian principality" and "inner Serbian principality" have 0 hits at Gbooks). It is your own creation (Original Research). Next, the word "regions" is rightly used for geographical regions, but the terminology again is wrong—does it imply historical regions now in Serbia that existed in the Middle Ages (far-fetched) or provinces in the Medieval Serbian state(s)?--Zoupan01:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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