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There seem to be lots of literary aspects to this and so a variety of perspectives may help. ] (]) 09:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC) There seem to be lots of literary aspects to this and so a variety of perspectives may help. ] (]) 09:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:The above is a non-neutral notification and violates the guidelines on this page. The literary aspects largely relate to a topic that already has a separate article (as had already been outlined in the AFD) or to other "Dark Ladies" in the works of other writers; creating an article on Misplaced Pages that compares these figures is ] pending a source that actually does the same, and none of the sources Andrew had located before posting the above apparently did so. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:11, 2 March 2018 (UTC) :The above is a non-neutral notification and violates the guidelines on this page. The literary aspects largely relate to a topic that already has a separate article (as had already been outlined in the AFD) or to other "Dark Ladies" in the works of other writers; creating an article on Misplaced Pages that compares these figures is ] pending a source that actually does the same, and none of the sources Andrew had located before posting the above apparently did so. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:11, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

It closed as delete, but the basic information is at ] already. Just lost a paragraph. ] 22:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


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Dark Lady (character)

There seem to be lots of literary aspects to this and so a variety of perspectives may help. Andrew D. (talk) 09:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

The above is a non-neutral notification and violates the guidelines on this page. The literary aspects largely relate to a topic that already has a separate article (as had already been outlined in the AFD) or to other "Dark Ladies" in the works of other writers; creating an article on Misplaced Pages that compares these figures is WP:SYNTH pending a source that actually does the same, and none of the sources Andrew had located before posting the above apparently did so. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:11, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

It closed as delete, but the basic information is at Dark Lady already. Just lost a paragraph. Dream Focus 22:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Raw intelligence

Making sense of such crude stubs which we see at AfD is like processing raw intelligence; sifting the sources and looking for confirmation. We're good at this, right? Andrew D. (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Unpopularity

Today's selection is of special interest to those of us who feel the chill of disapproval from time to time. The nomination seems to be looking for more and better content on the subject. They don't say what that might be but maybe someone here has some ideas. I have suggested that we say something about unpopularity at an early age but I don't have time to work on this myself yet. Anyway, here's some inspiration from Cicero. Andrew D. (talk) 08:34, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Quodsi ea mihi maxime inpenderet tamen hoc animo fui semper, ut invidiam virtute partam gloriam, non invidiam putarem.
(unpopularity earned by doing what is right is not unpopularity at all, but glory)

— Marcus Tullius Cicero, Oratio in Catilinam Prima in Senatu Habita
Seems to be written by a socializer about their kind. "There has been considerable research documenting the effects of peer rejection, such as low academic achievement," seems like total nonsense, since nerds who don't feel the need to socialize have the best scores. The obvious bias in the article against hermits would need to be fixed. Dream Focus 12:53, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The result was keep.

Sink drain cover

My view is that commonplace objects like this are always notable but it looks we need to demonstrate it. I recall that Hans Adler once gave the example of the egg slicer. One things for sure; this is not a dictionary definition. As this is such a common mistake, it's worth reading WP:DICDEF so that you understand the difference between a dictionary entry and a stub. Andrew D. (talk) 08:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Study abroad

This will be of particular interest to our ex-patriate editors, especially those now based in Japan, as it was translated from their language. In my view, what's appropriate now is a merger but that's usually easier said than done. Andrew D. (talk) 07:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Harvard–MIT Mathematics Tournament

This article has been around for 10 years but doesn't have any sources so naturally gets a drive-by nomination by someone who hasn't read WP:BEFORE or WP:SOFIXIT. This is a routine job for the ARS but Misplaced Pages has lots of maths editors who may be able to help and it occurs to me that @Arthur Rubin: or @EEng: might know something about this so their views are welcome too. Andrew D. (talk) 11:55, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: Please refrain from including non-neutral ad hominem criticisms/assumptions about the AFD nominators or pinging specific editors in your listings here. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Scratch that. I didn't even know unconfirmed accounts could open AFDs. I guess that's just IPs. (Maybe point out that the nom is an SPA next time, rather than what you did here?) Anyway, this article does not appear to have any chance of getting deleted, so it's really unclear what the point of list it here is. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
In the past, the ARS has too often been asked to help with hopeless cases – weak topics that are likely to be deleted regardless. This is unproductive and discouraging. It is better for the ARS to focus upon more promising topics and so I am listing the ones that I'm finding at AfD. In this case, it wasn't clear how the discussion was going to go because I was the first to comment. As the page in question had no sources, there was still useful work to be done. Andrew D. (talk) 08:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The result was speedy keep.

Dragonite

Are your edits are often dramatic, bold or grandiose? Do you spend hour after hour on Google Books doing research for an article? Can you focus on a single article intensely? Maybe you're a WikiDragon too... Andrew D. (talk) 17:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: What are your suggestions for improving the article? The above joke-y meta comment would be amusing and charming, if you also indicated, in accordance with the guidelines on this page, a specific rationale why the article/content should be retained on Misplaced Pages, and any ideas to improve the content. You haven't edited the article talk page or the AFD yourself, so it's very difficult to determine what changes you think could be made to rescue the article. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
The most obvious issue in this case is that there are blatant alternatives to deletion as just about every Pokemon is a blue link and so it is not our policy to delete them. I get the impression that this particular specimen is especially popular in Pokémon Go. That's had extensive coverage since its release in 2016 and so maybe that's a promising line of enquiry. Andrew D. (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the obvious solution is revert to a redirect, per BRD, and then allow discussion among interested editors whether an exception should be made for Pokemon #149 but not #147 (which redirects to a list) or #148 (which redirects to an unrelated article). This is how I !voted, this is the implied intention of User:Zxcvbnm, and this is almost certainly how the AFD will be closed; literally no one is saying "This page should be removed from public view". I'm confused what purpose posting this to ARS under these circumstances could serve, though. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:14, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
BTW, Dragonite is in my experience no more popular in GO! than its fellow "quasi-legendary" Tyranitar and significantly less popular than Blissey. The only Pokémon GO! gym mainstay I can find who has a standalone article on English Misplaced Pages is Snorlax. The reason for Snorlax's popularity in GO! is essentially that it has high base HP, and it's far behind Blissey on that front. Obviously this is about reliable secondary sources providing significant and relevant coverage, not in-game stats (or even "reliable" secondary sources reporting on those stats). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The result was redirect.

Swamp monster

If you want to get down and dirty... :) Andrew D. (talk) 17:05, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: The above is a violation of the guidelines on this page. It includes neither a specific rationale why the article/content should be retained on Misplaced Pages, nor any ideas to improve the content, and is nothing but a notification that an article is at AFD, with the clear implication of "This article is at AFD; you know what to do..." If no rationale or ideas for how to fix the article's problems are added within the next 24 hours, I will remove it as canvassing. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:24, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
The suggestions above don't have formal guideline status and, even if they did, common sense is expected. In this case, my gut feeling was that the topic had potential as a broad concept page. Lambian has suggested the excellent source Swampmen: Muck-Monsters and their Makers and so matters are proceeding well. Andrew D. (talk) 23:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
No, they don't, but WP:CANVAS does. If you come here and do nothing but link to the AFD, presumably because you think ARS members will be more likely to !vote one way than any other (even though my "userfy/draftify" middle way suggestion is getting some traction). Anyway, even if Lambian did find a source, who's going to do the heavy lifting of fixing the article? At a guess, I'd suspect that maybe one quarter of the contents of our article are even touched upon in that book (which probably says something different even for some of those). This shouldn't be allowed end up like the Korean influence on Japanese culture AFD, where the "TNT delete" !voters had to clean up the article while "keep" !votes either walked away apparently happy to have "won" the AFD or actively hindered improvement. What's your take on Moving the page to User:Andrew Davidson/Swamp monster? Or maybe even Misplaced Pages:Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list/Swamp monster? (That one actually seems like a really good idea -- has it been tried before?) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it has been tried before – see WP:INCUBATOR. It didn't work and now we have draft space which doesn't work well either. It's our policy to develop content in mainspace and that's the best place for it because readers and editors can collaborate together in a natural way. Local drafts aren't nearly so good because they have limited exposure and engagement. They are like a morass or swamp; topics get bogged down there. Andrew D. (talk) 00:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
I know abour Article Incubator. What I meant to ask was whether this project had ever "adopted" problem articles like the swamp monster one into its own project space to fix them. The problem as I see it is that quite often ARS will come along and !vote down a proposed deletion of an article that clearly has next to nothing worth preserving, and then not actually do any work to fix the articles in question. With swamp monster, I and two other editors (so far) have looked at it and said "Wow, this article is a mess. Almost everything in it is textbook OR. I don't think anything would be lost by blowing it up and starting over." Presumably you and the other keep !votes disagree and see at least a sizeable portion of the article as salvageable, but if that's the case then the burden is on you to prove it by fixing the article. The above-mentioned "projectification" (?) would allow ARS members to do so without the time limit of AFD. Obviously it would need to still have some form of time limit, or perhaps there could be a limit on the number of drafts ARS can host at any one time, or something. Anyway, that's kinda beside the point. Your continued good-natured punning is much appreciated (and I'm being sincere; I had a good larf at your last sentence), but I still think that "winning" AFD "battles" and then running away without making any effort to fix the articles, which is what appears to be going on here (and certainly went on in the "mottainai" and "Korean influence" cases), is the opposite of the stated purpose of this project. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:59, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
No members of any Wikiprojects are required to do what you are suggesting, so why should this one be any different? Dream Focus 02:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
So, you're admitting to using ARS as a forum to canvas for keep !votes in the AFD, and not to improve the article? Neither one of you has touched the article itself, and all Lambian has done is made it worse by inserting more apparent OR into the lead. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
I just improved the article in question, before reading your recent nonsense post here. No one is "admitting" anything, not sure how what I said got twisted around in your mind to make you think that. Most articles listed now didn't have anyone go to them, since no one thought they worth the bother of saving. Sometimes people feel like doing some work in an article, and sometimes they don't. Dream Focus 03:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
This forum is currently being discussed elsewhere as a stealth CANVAS outlet and some people are gunning for its closure and maybe building evidence for a case? I don't know. It's currently under the spotlight so to speak and it might be best to consider some of the suggestions being made not in a personal way. -- GreenC 03:37, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The result was no consensus.

Relation (history of concept)

This is mainly a case of cleanup but I'm not keen on philosophical topics myself. See also the similar AfD for Virtues (number and structure). Andrew D. (talk) 14:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

  • The result was keep.

List of Misplaced Pages people

I suppose that everyone is quite familiar with this topic. There's lots more scope for expansion. Andrew D. (talk) 14:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

  • The result was no consensus.

Arlett Tovar

This article needs expansion and incorporation of references found via a basic Google News search. WP:FOOTY includes one top-division women's league despite there being dozens around the world. This particular league and its players have received a remarkable amount of news coverage in its first season. Hmlarson (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

The result was delete.

Viridiana Salazar

This article needs expansion an incorporation of references found via a basic Google News search and in the AFD. WP:FOOTY includes one top-division women's league despite there being dozens around the world. This particular league and its players have received a remarkable amount of news coverage in its first season. Additional eyes appreciated. Hmlarson (talk) 22:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

The result was keep.

Medicine Trails

Article was recklessly nominated for AfD though luckily a helpful British user who happened to pass by has managed to supply the following sources that support the retention of the article, in relation to early pan-American trails:

As the British man noted on the talk page of AfD, it's possible they may relate to parts of the Oregon Trail, Great Osage Trail or Santa Fe Trails or to the Lewis and Clark Expedition route.

Please help to fix the article using the above sources. Danke. 14.192.208.83 (talk) 15:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Result Page moved to Draft:Medicine Trails Legacypac (talk) 10:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Deneva Cagigas

In addition to the secondary sources already in the article, there are other articles about this player in Mexico's top-division football/soccer league available via a Google News search to support WP:GNG. WP:FOOTY does not include the majority of top-division women's leagues around the world -- only 1 on my last check. Hmlarson (talk) 00:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Userfied to User:Hmlarson/Deneva Cagigas