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A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Your work pushing WP:ACREQ thru was amazing. Legacypac (talk) 19:24, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Legacypac. I appreciate the kind words. TonyBallioni (talk)

Sorry for being late, but I too would like to thank you for all the work you have done in NPR and getting ACREQ installed. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 13:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Template

Unfortunately, as predicted, it has descended into edit warring, with editors who have no previous involvement appearing. Given the most recent edit summary and comments on the talk page from the editor who has just appeared, I strongly suspect there's been some off-wiki canvassing because this editor hasn't been involved in the discussion that mentioned Ireland on my talk page or the TfD discussion yet has repeated exactly the same arguments as the main protagonist (who was involved in this infamous case, as was the only other editor to comment on the TfD so far...). So much for being able to enjoy my holiday... This is the same behaviour that led me to write part of these comments about Estonia many years ago. Number 57 14:31, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Number 57: full protected for 10 days. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but unfortunately I'd reached 3RR and wasn't unable to undo the most recent removal of the elections... If there's any chance you could revert to the stable version, that would be most appreciated. Number 57 14:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty conservative on not touching the text of anything I protect. I'd post at the WP elections page to get more comments (or talk page stalkers here might be able to weigh in.) If there is a consensus to restore pending further discussions, I can restore to the stable version then. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Never mind – this is exactly why I was seeking protection at the outset and sadly it seems this is going to become another area of Misplaced Pages that's off-limits to rational editors. Not particularly aimed at you, but the lack of action from admins over many years has allowed groups of editors like this to flourish and take over certain parts of Misplaced Pages. Number 57 03:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't think labelling people you disagree with as "Estonian nationalists" meets the criteria of a neutral notification per WP:CANVAS, particularly when you yourself contributed to the edit-warring. --Nug (talk) 03:40, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

• Could you check the deletion logs of this template {{Soviet Estonia Elections}}, to check if it was previously deleted. It disappeared a few days ago while I was editing it, then seemed to have been restored.

FWIW, there clearly isn't concensus to restore Number57's preferred version. Apparently he believes some editors are trying to make it appear that Estonia was not part of the USSR, which is complete nonsense. The template {{Croatian elections}} doesn't include Yugoslav elections but provides a link to them, nobody is attempting to make it appear that Croatia was not a part of Yugoslavia. --Nug (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

This is the sort of denialism I'm referring to. Number 57 03:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

LOL, apparently User:Bbb23 must be an "Estonian nationalist" too. --Nug (talk) 03:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't Bbb23 has a track record of making these sorts of edits for around a decade and I suspect they were only reacting to a report of sockpuppetry or edit warring report. Number 57 03:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

In my experience the only people that seem to get really upset over it are those that appear to adhere to a Russian nationalist viewpoint. --Nug (talk) 04:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

There are no deleted revisions for that template. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:18, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for checking, must have been some weirdness with my browser. --Nug (talk) 03:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

• General comments: I do my best to stay out of any ethnic/nationalist disputes on Misplaced Pages. As an administrator I will full protect or block when necessary, but stay far away from them otherwise. I'm not familiar enough with this situation to be comfortable restoring a different version through protection, and my general stance on protections is that I protect whichever one is there when I get to it. In terms of this dispute, template talks are less watched, so bringing it to a wider forum might be better, whether that be NPOVN or the elections wikiproject.Number 57, no worries on the general critique of admins not acting in these areas. I think it is probably fair to some extent, and don't take it personally: I'm naturally conservative on using the tools, and even more so when it comes to content that is full protected, so I'm sure that your criticisms probably apply to me as well. If not in this case, at least in others. This area is under AE discretionary sanctions (Eastern Europe), so if someone is consistently POV pushing and are aware of the sanctions, AE is an option, and while it has its flaws, it does tend to work if there are longterm issues in a conflict area. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:25, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

"Episode-Choose Your Story"

Hi, thank you for your comment. Sorry I haven't been on Misplaced Pages recently and I didn't see your comment, I would really appreciate it if you send the article to the email : (Redacted)

However I would be more grateful if you could edit the actual article and point out which exact line, or paragraph I need to change. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L weiwei yt (talk • contribs) 13:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

User:M7mdnk123

Hello Tony, Hope you are doing well. Please, can you delete this page User:M7mdnk123 s it include obvious Cyberbullying and Harassment --Alaa :)..! 13:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Deleted. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Re:Copyright

Thanks for the message. I'm a little rusty for having not been using admin tools much and I'm trying to make the rounds at CSD and ANI in an attempt to practice a little before I need a vacuum cleaner instead of a feather duster such as it were. I'd forgotten that copyright in the US is assumed unless its a work of the US government in which case it defaults to the public domain. Thank you for the refresher, and I will keep the copyright info in mind next time I try and make a lap around the csd pool. Thanks also for the message, chewing people out is the easier skill but correcting someone's faults should be the preferred approach, if we learn from our mistakes then hopefully we wont make the mistakes next time we try. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

TomStar81, not a problem. I hope that it did come off as a refresher rather than a chewing out. Copyright and Misplaced Pages is a difficult area, so I understand why you might not be familiar with the details if you don't work in it all the time TonyBallioni (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Just as an fyi, copyright comes into existence the moment a work is "fixed" in some physical medium for all signatories of the Berne Convention, with no notice or registration required. (I can't see the diffs, so my apologies if this was already mentioned or is otherwise irrelevant.) isaacl (talk) 03:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I said instant of creation, but yeah, same idea: anything that could be copied to Misplaced Pages from an online source is assumed copyright. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Phab

Can you have a look at this

please? I'm not sure how to interpret the workflow and can't figure out if it has been done. Looks to me that it's been shunted to the WMF where it has been blocked by Community Tech. I hope I'm wrong. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It has stalled, though I don't think it has been assigned to any team. User:AKlapper (WMF) just gave a snarky response rather than actually answering the question, which might be why you are confused. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't see how that was "snarky". To me it was direct and honest... --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 06:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I cannot but often wonder how all-most all of the WMF folks have such pathetic communication-skills.One ought to find out whether it's the effect of the organization, they work in or that WMF selectively chooses these sort of people...... ~ Winged Blades 07:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

​You didn’t actually provide a useable answer to anyone who doesn’t know how WMF development priorities work and ended with sarcasm. Anyway, I’m not here to fight over wording used 7 months ago, and I certainly don’t want this to turn into a WMF-hate fest: Kudpung is asking the question again because he didn’t understand the first answer you provided, so I think he’d appreciate it if you explained it to him on his talk page. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I see, thanks for explaining. My first answer referred to meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey (I should have provided a link, indeed). --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 07:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

AKlapper (WMF), your answer at Phab wasn't helpful at all. These issues are not something for ComTech's Weihnachtsstrumpf. Please be mindful that you are dealing with unpaid volunteers who work just as hard, if not harder than the WMF. There is now also the issue of the apparent procrastination over switching ACTRIAL back on to be ACPERM. We don't want people taking weeks to 'work on defining the priority' - the priority is now: 3 May (or earlier) as was agreed with Horn. Getting on with it promptly will strengthen WMF-Community relations which at best are always strained. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I can only offer ways that I am aware of. If that's unfortunately not helpful, so be it. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Closing Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Moderate Left (Liberal Party of Australia)

You closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Moderate Left (Liberal Party of Australia), which was a joint nomination along with Conservative Right Liberal Party of Australia, with a unanimous consensus to delete both. I think you've missed the latter? Conservative Right Liberal Party of Australia is still live with the AfD tag. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

The Drover's Wife, deleted. Sorry about that. The script missed it because it didn't read as bundled, and I forgot about it by the time I had finished reading the discussion. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fix! The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:51, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

UPE as a driving reason to delete a draft

Hi Tony,

I’ve started seriously reviewing your recent policy talk posts, you are definitely very sensible, I find nothing disagreeable, and I would like to get onboard with being sensible.

A current difficult case in point is Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Generations of Hope. What you you do? Could you please consider commenting, either there or here? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Seen this. Distracted by a lot of other stuff on here and IRL today. I’ll comment tomorrow. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

ACTRIAL

Any update on T192455?! Anyways, I tampered a bit with the wording of the proposal and if that seems to be worse in your eyes, feel free to revert:) Best,~ Winged Blades 07:47, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Amanda Swimmer

On 25 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Amanda Swimmer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Amanda Swimmer was one of the first individuals to propose different uses and names for traditional Cherokee pottery? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amanda Swimmer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Amanda Swimmer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

A heads-up

I am drawing this to your attention because of your involvement in the Dec 2017 - Jan 2018 "Conduct of Mister Wiki editors" ARBCOM case. I am not asking for or suggesting any action; this is purely an FYI.

I have just received an email from User:JacobPace, of which the operative part reads: (Redacted)

My edit (my only edit, I think) on Disney Digital Network was to resolve a {{dn}} tag on 19 March 2018. I found it curious to get an email referring to it 5 weeks later.

I had no intention of following up the email even before I tracked down and read the ARBCOM decision. Should I choose to reply, it will be through a Talk Page post and not by email; for a couple of fairly obvious reasons. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Does make one wonder, if someone's only motivation for being on Misplaced Pages is to recruit editors and further their business, at what point that overlaps with not being here to build an encyclopedia. GMG 15:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Mmmm. The argument trotted out against that is "why can't they are doing both?" Pffle. —SerialNumber54129 15:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Well it's not like this is in any way a net positive. In fact, at this point, it would take probably a year of sustained constructive editing to even break even. GMG 15:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• Narky Blert, thank you for the heads up. I've redacted the content as we are typically not supposed to post emails on-wiki without the consent of both parties. I'd advise you to forward the email to the arbitration committee list at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
• Narky Blert: fix ping. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the redaction and the advice. I've forwarded the email as suggested. Narky Blert (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• can someone please summarize the email message? Jytdog (talk) 02:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @Jytdog: They noticed that Narky Blert had edited a page recently and was getting in touch about Studio 71 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Jacob thinks it was only deleted to "spite" paid editors and he wants to "recover" it. He wants to pay Narkey Blert to "consult" on this. SmartSE (talk) 07:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
    • thanks for explaining. Jytdog (talk) 14:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jytdog: SmartSE's summary is fair; except that I didn't follow though to look for possible Studio71 involvement. However, their site does suggest that they can help you get hits on social websites. If you follow that ARBCOM case all the way through, you will find that one editor took 30 pieces of silver $80 and got desysopped as a result. I wonder if I may have been the only editor to get an unsolicited email like that one? Narky Blert (talk) 02:36, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
        • It is clear what the email was about. Jacob was looking for someone else to work on the Studio71 page; Studio71 is a client of MisterWiki, which is Jacob's paid-editing company. I'm aware of what happened in the arbcom case. It was unwise of Jacob to send that email to you, but everybody chooses their own path. Jytdog (talk) 02:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
          • It's clear from his talk page that he has asked other editors, and I know of at least another who has personally. Like I said above, if anyone receives an unsolicited offer of employment (or hint of it), they should forward the email to ArbCom. I personally think it goes against at least the spirit if not the letter of Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution_disclosure#Promotion_and_advertising_by_paid_editors to use the Misplaced Pages-provided email service to solicit employees, but that's just my view. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:43, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

request

Hey. I know this will sound funny, but would you mind G6ing Comités Jeanne so I can recreate it and get the "official creator" title? I already saved the wikitext on my computer. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

How would that be either uncontroversial or maintenance? G6 is not for "title" seeking. It should be fine for DYK credit if that's the credit you're after. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 19:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

L293D, I agree with Amory. I don’t think that’d be a legitimate use of deletion. As an aside, if you look at all of “my” GAs on my userpage I didn’t create any of them. A fair amount of my DYKs are like that too. What matters is the work you do, not the initial editor. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Traptor12

Hi TonyBallioni.

Traptor12 (talk · contribs) is repeatedly using extremely unreliable sources in BLP articles, and multiple comments from multiple editors (including yours) hasn't appeared to have changed this behavior. . I certainly think a block is necessary at this point. --Ronz (talk) 22:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Ronz, I forget the specifics of what those were about, but just looking at the reference in the warning, I’m assuming it involved sexual assault, so the diffs above, which I haven’t examined too closely, seem significantly different. If you feel that their editing in regards to BLPs is problematic enough to warrant sanctions, I would suggest making a report at WP:ANI or WP:AE. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	ACPERM is a reality! I've chipped in a little extra at NPP since ACTRIAL ended, having gotten the NPP flag during ACTRIAL. The difference was incredible. Thanks for your dilligent efforts. John from Idegon (talk) 01:10, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Re:Thanks

Dear User:TonyBallioni, thank you for your message on my talk page. I saw your comment on WP:XNB and decided to help out at the article. I appreciate that you were able to specify that he was a cardinal when he wrote the text and I will definitely be on the lookout for other cases of that issue. Have a blessed night! With regards, Anupam 06:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Food

Hello! After the successful pilot program by Wikimedia India in 2015, Wiki Loves Food (WLF) is happening again in 2018 and this year, it's going International. To make this event a grant success, your direction is key. Please sign up here as a volunteer to bring all the world's food to Wikimedia. Danidamiobi (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Orangemoody editing

Hello Tony, take a look here. I think it's related to en.wiki also and there's accounts need to be blocked --Alaa :)..! 08:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Alaa. I've sent an email to the functionaries mailing list letting them know about this, as they normally handle Orangemoody reports here. (Pinging @KrakatoaKatie and Drmies: on here as well so they're aware.) TonyBallioni (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Papal conclave, 1689

On 30 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Papal conclave, 1689, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pope Alexander VIII, elected in 1689, was the first Venetian in over 200 years to become pope? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Papal conclave, 1689. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Papal conclave, 1689), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Sock of an account that you blocked

Hi,

I'm pretty sure that Dbdbbd (talk · contribs) is a recently created account to evade your block on Ndjdndbd (talk · contribs). (Similar edits from the two accounts: ( and ).

Could you please indef the sock? Thanks. 185.106.31.159 (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Dloh has indef'd it. They've been editing on an IP as well. I'll file an SPI to look for a range block/sleepers. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Mmm..... It looks like Dloh has only 31h'd it, not indefed. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

So he did, fixed. See also Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Ndjdndbd. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

You got there first

:) But my edit summary was better than yours...I'm afraid WP:DENY still applies, even if Vote (X) happens to be summer hols at the time  :) —SerialNumber54129 13:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Heh the CVN overlay does a pretty decent job at helping figure out which IPs probably shouldn't be commenting on stuff like that TonyBallioni (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Qbugbot

Hey Tony, I just discovered Qbugbot due to the spike in new page creations. I noticed that you strongly opposed the bot in the RfC, but then struck through your vote. Why did you change your mind? Just curious. Kaldari (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Kaldari, it was a long discussion, but I believe I struck it after there was a general agreement for some type of throttle and manual review. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:Asianet Programmes

Hi, why did you delete Template:Asianet Programmes? The seven-day grace period that is part of WP:CSD#T3 will not expire for 6 days 23 hours and a lot of minutes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Redrose64: my mistake. The nomination came up on my watchlist as the creator was a sock I'd filed an SPI on, and I saw that it was not used and a duplicate, but missed the 7 day bit, as I'm not normally active dealing with T3s. Restored now. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:51, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

If they are a proven sock, and the sockmaster was blocked at the time that the template was created, it may be summarily deleted under WP:CSD#G5 with no grace period. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Posilikely, but behaviorally part another admin agreed they were likely to be part of a UPE family. If you think G5 works, I can delete it. Don't know why I didn't tag it the first time around. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

G. Simon Harak

Apologies for my edits on G. Simon Harak. When I reviewed the edit, the infobox did not appear on my computer screen. This lead me to assume that it was a test edit. However, after you reverted my edit, it would seem that the infobox finally appeared. Perhaps I was reviewing another edit accidentally. INeedSupport (talk) 03:12, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Appropriateness

Hey, what do you think of this? !Voting on a discussion about AFD, with virtually the whole text of your comment being grave-dancing about a user who had been TBANned from deletion discussions (read: unable to defend themselves) seems a little out of the pale. I had half a mind to respond and tell him off for it, but I suspect that might just make it worse, and my last block was essentially for saying things that would have been completely acceptable and uncontroversial, if the editor I was talking about had been able to defend themselves... so, yeah, bad idea... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:39, 3 May 2018 (UTC)