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Daniel Keem semi-protection expired

Hey User:Hawkeye75 - in response to your edit summary, looks like semi-protection expired 03:41 this morning (UTC). At first glance, 5 vandalisms soon followed (didn't check if any editor was autoconfirmed). dstone66  23:33, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Just checking in :-)

Hi Hawkeye75! I just wanted to check in and say hello to you! I wanted to express how happy it makes me that the AfD didn't drive you away from Misplaced Pages, and that you're still here and making good contributions. I want you to know that my talk page is always open to you; you're welcome to message me with questions, requests for help, or for input any time you need it. I'll be more than happy to give you a hand and help you with anything that you need! Keep up the contributions... I hope you continue to learn and grow and that you become a long-term and experienced editor here. Have a great rest of your day, and happy editing to you. :-) ~Oshwah~ 01:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Female pronoun

You referred to User:MorbidEntree as "her" twice. Why? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

And if you simply remove this without a satisfactory response, you may be blocked from editing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I didn't know what gender it was lmao. You can't block someone for calling a user by the wrong gender. Hawkeye75 (talk) 18:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I suppose it could be seen as harassment of another user if you meant to do it on purpose. That, along with your other violations, could possibly be grounds for a block (up to the admins though). -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 19:53, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Blocked

I am blocking you for an additional three days for personal attacks. Twice, you referred to User:MorbidEntree as "her", obviously due to his declaration of being gay at his userpage. When asked for an explanation at this talk page, you responded by referring to him as "it" and typing "lmao".

Furthermore, in three weeks and a few hundred edits, you have managed to personally attack others, dole out advice to ten-year veteran editors and administrators, inappropriately warn others, ban half a dozen editors from your talk page for simply trying to give you guidance, ignore and dismiss plenty of helpful, friendly advice, edit war, and generally storm around being a thoroughly non-collegial bully. Consider a four-day block day block. I would not be surprised if another admin comes along and makes your block indefinite.

Now, I usually avoid WP:BEANS, but I want you back as a good editor, and I wish to help you avoid going in the wrong direction: Do not edit using an IP and do not create another account.

If you want to talk about things here with me and others, we can have a cordial discussion. If you do not, fine. You are welcome to come back in four days and continue to make constructive edits without any of this past nonsense. The community will simply not put up with this any longer. This is Misplaced Pages, where we are building an encyclopedia and we must our colleagues respectfully. This is not some kiddie fansite where you can attack others. The next time will certainly be a longer block or maybe even an indefinite block. Please learn from this.

Sincerely,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:14, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This absolutely absurd. I have never looked at MorbidEntree's user page before. I had absolutely no clue that he was gay. Gay or straight that had no change to my text. There is no indication in HIS username that he is a guy. And for the "it" controversy, I had no intentions of saying that. Maybe the grammar wasn't correct, but take for example "I had no idea what dog it was". In that instant, I would be referring to the dog as "it". That is the same case in that sentence. My intention were for the "it" to be about the gender not MorbidEntree. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

By default, people are not usually referred to as female. I believe you did so because you viewed his userpage and wished to insult him. Because of that, I have a hard time assuming good faith with your "it" "lmao" that followed. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:15, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

WP:GNL clearly states that you should avoid using masculine or feminine pronouns.Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

And yet you did just that? -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 01:54, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Right, and you called him "her". Please stop trying to defend that or tell me how it was all some big mistake. It was obvious and indefensible. Please do not insult my intelligence. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:20, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Also why does it say that I can edit again on the 18th? You stated it would be a 4 day ban... Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

The block expiry date has been corrected. It is now set to expire on the 14th. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:15, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, for the record, @Anna Frodesiak: I don't think that this user purposefully called me by a female pronoun because I'm gay. At the most, I'd accept that they looked at the picture of me in my infobox and made a joke about my hair being long. But even that is stretching it to me. I honestly think that it was most likely a mistake or something relatively innocent. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 01:58, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi MorbidEntree. I really doubt that. He said "... I have never looked at MorbidEntree's user page before...." yet referred to you as "her". If he never saw it, he would have no reason to call you "her". If he did, he would see plainly that you are obviously male and would likely also have seen "James" and "gay". Calling you "her" doesn't add up any way you look at it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:20, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: I'm not sure. Maybe I assume good faith a bit too much. If they're telling the truth about not looking at my userpage, then maybe their mind just defaults to random pronouns or something? I don't know. I'm just not all that sure that we should really hound on them for it too. Hell, it could literally just be an honest mistake on their part and us making a big deal about it is just making the situation worse. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 02:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Now Hawkeye75, I will not insult your intelligence. You are obviously smart. You've gotten the hang of Misplaced Pages faster than almost anyone I've ever seen, so I will get right to the point. You know perfectly well how you should be conducting yourself around here because you read talk pages. You know perfectly well what Misplaced Pages is and is not. I have reminded you of that above. What you may not be getting is who your colleagues are. They range from kids to ninety-year-olds, most with above average IQs. Many, many members of this fine community are smarter than we could ever hope to be. Literally, brain surgeons and rockets scientists edit here. Plus, they are all volunteers, giving their time in what they wish to be a nice atmosphere. Show them some respect! Join this community and be one of us. You can do that. Or, you can continue behaving like a little kid and get booted off, and this experience will be a failure in your life that you will remember always. Make the best choice for your life. It is worth it. I look forward to seeing you back transformed. In fact, if you can really explain to me that you totally understand, I will even unblock you at once. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:20, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I just wanted to pop in here and add something. Hawkeye75, if I were you, I would not get too hung up on the the gender subject of Anna Frodesiak's post, as you appear to be focusing solely on that part of her message. (Although I do agree with her on the subject and she makes a valid point.) In my humble opinion, the part of Anna's message that you should really take to heart is everything that she said after "Futhermore". Wikicontributor12 (talk) 03:05, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I think I will take the four day break and avoid people in the future that are uncivilized. @Anna Frodesiak: please review the five pillars of Misplaced Pages. You recently made a comment to me, I quote, "Or, you can continue behaving like a little kid and get booted off, and this experience will be a failure in your life that you will remember always.". This is against WP:Cooperation, that says "Avoid condescension. No matter how frustrated you are, do not tell people to "grow up" or include any language along the lines of "if this were kindergarten" in your messages.". If I wanted to take things further, it could be seen as a personal attacks. You are an admin and you should know better. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Hawkeye75: You can't really blame her for being a bit snappy when it comes to your past behaviour on here. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 05:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Again it says "No matter how frustrated you are". This is totally unacceptable that someone with power is willing to break the rules. And for the record, if I haven't apologized, I would like to now. I truly did not mean to insult you on being gay. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:17, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but it's not like she was abusing her power or anything. She was just wording it strongly for you because her past attempts have't gotten through. And for the gay thing: I don't really care if people make fun of me for it, I've developed a bit of a thick skin. But, thank you nevertheless for the apology, I really do appreciate it. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 05:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: I see you're online and you haven't responded. This is totally unacceptable that you have done this. Why did you break WP:Cooperation? Hawkeye75 (talk) 03:46, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Just so I understand, you find it totally unacceptable that I have been online without yet responding to your statement. You did not ask me a question nor ask me to respond.

Speaking of responses, you have yet to say why you referred to that editor as "she". And before you condemn others of terrible breaches of policy, you might also want to respond regarding your edit warring, banning countless editors from your talk page, inappropriately warning people, personal attacks, and of course let's not forget the incivility of which you accuse me.

I suggest you drop this, wait out your block, and get back to editing, as I said, "transformed". Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: You still haven't answered my question, expect a section at administator's noticeboard soon. In the mean time please don't start a new section on my talk page per WP:NOBAN. Hawkeye75 (talk) 17:24, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

WP:NOBAN expressly states that "banning" admins from posting on your talk page has very little effect. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 21:07, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Comment: you seem inordinately fond of quoting Misplaced Pages guidelines for the benefit of vastly-experienced editors. See WP:Wikilawyering. . . Mean as custard (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not reading the whole article. You can grab a quote from that if you'd like. Hawkeye75 (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I think your question was "Why did you break WP:Cooperation?" when I said "...continue behaving like a little kid..." That was your question, right? Here's your answer: Because you have the potential to be a great editor, so I thought telling you straight was worth breaching WP:Cooperation for your benefit and that of this project.

I spent the time trying to help you understand that if you do not change your ways, you will not last at Misplaced Pages, and I think you would like to have the life success of a long wiki-career. It's so rewarding. Now I am not so sure you will last because I still see IDHT, BATTLEGROUND, MASTADON, and WIKILAWYERING.

I wish you'd just get back to building this encyclopedia. That's what we're here for, not conflict. My time/keystroke budget for trying to help you is spent. I tried. Sigh. Bring me to WP:AN if you like, but beware of the WP:BOOMERANG. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

@Hawkeye75: Since you brought it up, I would like to point out that you violated Misplaced Pages:Civility in the "Social Media note" discussion that I started here (as just one example). As I said, you should really take to heart what Anna said in her message after "Furthermore..." That is all I have to say here. Thank you for your time. Wikicontributor12 (talk)

First off, that was more than 2 weeks ago. Second, that comment does not belong in this section, this section is only related to the block. Third, you already started a section on this topic on Anna's page 2 weeks ago so I have no idea why you are bringing it up here, again. You don't have anything to do with the block, so please don't post anymore if you don't have useful comments. Thanks. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion about this whole thing

Let's all get back to building the encyclopedia, including you, Hawkeye75, when your block expires. All this drama is giving me the vapours. Seriously, this is all a huge waste of resources. There's a lighthouse article I want to write. And Hawkeye75, why not start a lighthouse article yourself? They are notable, easy to source, practically impossible to delete, and we have plenty of images waiting for articles. Isn't that a better use of your energy than all this conflict and drama? So, please, how about just getting collegial, dropping the stick and getting into some rewarding article writing? It's more fun. Okay? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: By a "lighthouse article," do you mean a mainspace article about an actual lighthouse, or is this some sort of Misplaced Pages slang for something? (Sorry if that's an idiotic question, it's just not something I've seen anyone else suggest before). -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 02:00, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I mean real lighthouse. :) I started three before:

• Bicentennial Lighthouse
• Ferryland Head Light
• Point Prim Light Station

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:37, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

America's Got Talent (season 11)

Hello,

The 'elimination table' in the article about AGT season 11 does not seem necessary (one can see when contestants were eliminated in the 'Top 36 Acts' section), so it would make sense to remove it.

74.111.39.23 (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:GuardiansofTheGalaxyMissionBreakoutConceptArt.png

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@James Allison: Stop trying to annoy me buddy. You revert my edit for no reason, than come to my talk page and post a template message. My image is clearly better resolution and their is no reason for you to revert it. Do you have something personal against me, where whenever you see an edit from me you revert it? Hawkeye75 (talk) 09:09, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Unclear why you think James is trying to annoy you. Since User:James Allison tagged the file for F5 deletion, he is required to notify you. If you want the file to be kept, there are steps you can take. It seems that the resolution was decreased on purpose due to the fair use requirements. Why not ask somebody who knows about images. EdJohnston (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

It is extremely clear, since he has reverted 5 edits by me in the past day. This is probably because I asked him to stay away from my page due to WP:NOBAN. Hawkeye75 (talk) 19:33, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Or the user checked over your contributions because they saw one of them that was revert-worthy. I do that a lot with new users and IP users to see if they're vandals or just inexperienced. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 20:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

You didn't even look at the reverts, so you can't even comment on this. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

How do you know he didn't? Assume everyone has seen everything. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Me too. I do a lot of that too with new users and IPs. It is what good, experienced editors ought to do. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye75, lower resolution is better for non-free images. The purpose is to just identify the subject in the infobox and nothing more. We do not want to provide a high-res copy that others can take and use for their own purposes, perhaps commercially. Search "resolution" at Misplaced Pages:Non-free use rationale guideline. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and James used Twinke, which automatically notifies you with that template. Plus, notifying others when nominating their files/pages for deletion is considered a courtesy, not some sort of offence. Please AGF. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Worried

I put a lot of effort into trying to help you see the situation. Unfortunately, I'm still seeing the old behaviour at this talk page. Once unblocked, are you going to behave differently? For Misplaced Pages's sake, please, please don't make all of this effort spent be a waste. For your sake, please think about all of this in terms of outcomes. I know you want to continue to edit here happily. You must realize by now that if your edits continue to be this hostile, some admin will eventually come along and block you indefinitely. Nobody wants that. So please, be nice, okay? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

File:New Hulk Coaster Logo.png

Thanks for uploading that smaller version. As File:New Hulk Coaster Logo.png is now redundant and unused, may I delete it? Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes Hawkeye75 (talk) 23:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks. Nice to see you making good edits, and nice to be working with you. Keep up the good work with the non-frees. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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Bro you wanna make me quit Wiki. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at User talk:MorbidEntree. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 09:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Hawkeye75. Thank you. Regards, James (/_contribs) 19:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at WP:ANI. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Moving forward

Hi Hawkeye75 - I understand you may be slightly disparaged given the (currently) ongoing AN/I thread. I would like to offer some suggestions for moving forward, though please remember the AN/I thread has yet to conclude.

• Please consider changing your username - this can be done here and doesn't take that long. You will not "lose" any of the edits you've made. I understand this is a rather large ask, but number of editors have expressed concerns that your username is too close to Hawkeye7, and by voluntarily changing your username you will show your ability to listen and take advice.

• Agree not to make large or mildly controversial edits to any Misplaced Pages article before seeking consensus for the next couple of months - the majority of editors who have responded to the AN/I thread have suggested this would be a good idea. This will help the community judge your editing ability, and slowly regain the trust some editors may have lost.

• Agree to an offer of mentorship from an experienced editor - regardless of what happens going forward, having an editor you can turn to is very valuable

• Consider taking some time off of Misplaced Pages (maybe a couple of days?), to cool off and to help you re-analyse some of your comments. There's no doubt that some of your comments haven't been the most ideal (that being said, many editors have also been combative towards you)

The above are not personal judgements against yourself as a person, so please don't take these comments (or any comment you recieve on Misplaced Pages) to heart - you have the ability to become a constructive and respected editor. Please feel free to let me know what you think of the above suggestions, either here or by email. My talk page and email are always open to you -- samtar 15:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

--Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ 15:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Question

You know you're right on the edge of getting blocked, right? --NeilN 21:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

For what? I haven't done anything. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

For your general lack of clue at WP:ANEW and subsequent question to Sro23. I advised you to stay away from admin noticeboards as you don't have the experience to know what's going on. --NeilN 21:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

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Please ensure you are familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Don't undo an administrator at an administrator noticeboard again. Bbb23 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I never knew that you were an administrator and I never knew that the editor was a sockpuppet. It was only good faith, since you shouldn't delete other user's comments on talk pages. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

It would have taken you five seconds to go to User:Bbb23 and see he was an admin. --NeilN 21:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Good faith will carry you only so far. Based on what I've been reading about you, you're on the edge of being blocked for not being competent or being disruptive, or both. Figure out what's going on before you start reverting at administrative noticeboards or leaving messages on other editors' talk pages. It's not hard. If it is, then you shouldn't be acting as you are because you not experienced enough to do so. And I never called anyone a sock puppet, so don't put words in my mouth.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to argue, but I don't normally check user's talk pages when I revert an edit. I'm trying to focus on editing articles instead of viewing other editors pages. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Then, for your own sake, stick to editing articles and stop looking at admin boards except to participate in the one ANI thread about you. --NeilN 21:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

As an outside observer I can't help but notice that you two appear to be (subtly) threatening Hawkeye75 as a person while at the same time avoiding the crux of his argument--> "since you shouldn't delete other user's comments on talk pages". Focusing on improving articles instead of dirt-searching people's userpages seems like a quite acceptable stance to me, so I don't understand the reasoning behind all the aggressivity I'm reading. As for Hawkeye75, only one thing to say: stick to your good faith, there's nothing wrong with it and it will carry you a long way. I'm writing this post with full understanding that I'll very likely be subjected to the same threatening, attacks and deletions that others received. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.38.37.249 (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Misguided commentary

If you felt absolutely compelled to say anything at all, it should have been something along the lines of "Hi Bbb23. I noticed that you blanked some content and am unsure why. I have a history of misquoting and misunderstanding guidelines and policies, so I was hoping that you might be able to provide some guidance". You finger-wagging at a respected editor with ALL CAPS edit summaries and a completely inaccurate message on their talk page, all while your competence is being questioned on an open AN/I, demonstrates a clear lack of judgment. You appear to approach editing as a battle, which will never end well because your attention should be drawn to growing and maintaining an encyclopedia, not trying to get the upper hand in petty squabbles. You really need to read through what editors are saying at the AN/I thread and attempt to understand why frustration is building with your editing style.--Jezebel's Ponyo 21:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

The are several paths that new(er) editors take when they start editing Misplaced Pages in earnest. The path you are currently on, with an emphasis on reverts and over-attention to admin matters, nearly always ends at an abrupt cliff above the Sea of Former Wikipedians. There are knowledgeable editors at the AN/I thread who are handing you a lot of AGF, so there's still time to choose a new path.--Jezebel's Ponyo 21:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

If you believe the media meets the criteria at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:File copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Misplaced Pages:File copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. You may wish to read Misplaced Pages's image use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Nthep (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Please note the terms at http://forums.orlandounited.com/help/terms "You are granting us with a non-exclusive, permanent, irrevocable, unlimited license to use, publish, or re-publish your Content in connection with the Service" is not a licence for anyone else to re-use the content and unless it specified a Creative Commons by Attribution 4.0 it can't be assumed to be comparable to one. You either need to ask Scott walker to licence the image under a Creative Commons licence or see if you can find a freely licenced one somewhere else. Nthep (talk) 22:25, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah you can delete it. I thought that free license means that there is no copyright protection on a photo. I retrieved it from a blog. Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Old Hulk Signage.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:Old Hulk Signage.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Misplaced Pages may not meet the criteria required by Misplaced Pages:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Misplaced Pages:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Misplaced Pages policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. -- GB fan 23:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

how? I've already uploaded photos and there have been no problems. Hawkeye75 (talk) 23:31, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

You've stepped into the non so clear waters of the non-free content criteria which probably causes more headaches than anything else on Misplaced Pages. If you want to use an image that is not public-domain or is not appropriately licenced then under certain circumstances the image can be used as non-free content.

The circumstances are dictated by the Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria and for the sake of simplicity I've copied the criteria here for you:

Non-free content—including all copyrighted images, audio and video clips, and other media files that lack a free content license—may be used on the English Misplaced Pages only where all 10 of the following criteria are met.

1. No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose.
2. Respect for commercial opportunities. Non-free content is not used in a manner that is likely to replace the original market role of the original copyrighted material.
3. Minimal usage:
   1. Minimal number of items. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.
   2. Minimal extent of use. An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice. Low- rather than high-resolution/fidelity/bit rate is used (especially where the original could be used for deliberate copyright infringement). This rule also applies to the copy in the File: namespace.
4. Previous publication. Non-free content must be a work which has been published or publicly displayed outside Misplaced Pages by (or with permission from) the copyright holder, or a derivative of such a work created by a Misplaced Pages editor.
5. Content. Non-free content meets general Misplaced Pages content standards and is encyclopedic.
6. Media-specific policy. Non-free content meets Misplaced Pages's media-specific policy. For example, images must meet Misplaced Pages:Image use policy.
7. One-article minimum. Non-free content is used in at least one article.
8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.
9. Restrictions on location. Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, subject to exemptions. (To prevent an image category from displaying thumbnails, add __NOGALLERY__ to it; images are linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are a topic of discussion.)
10. Image description page. The image or media description page contains the following:
    1. Identification of the source of the original copyrighted material, supplemented, where possible, with information about the artist, publisher and copyright holder, and year of copyright; this is to help determine the material's potential market value. See: Misplaced Pages:Citing sources § Multimedia.
    2. A copyright tag that indicates which Misplaced Pages policy provision is claimed to permit the use. For a list of image copyright tags, see Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags/Non-free content.
    3. The name of each article (a link to each article is also recommended) in which fair use is claimed for the item, and a separate, specific non-free use rationale for each use of the item, as explained at Misplaced Pages:Non-free use rationale guideline. The rationale is presented in clear, plain language and is relevant to each use.

Completing the rationale template, as you did when you uploaded the image, is the easiest way of addressing all the criteria. For a non-free image to be retained, all 10 of the criteria must be met and that is where the problems arise.

The issues raised with this image are to do with criteria #1 and #8.

Criterion #1 catches a lot of people out as the criteria is "no free image is available, or could be created". For the criterion to be correctly met you need to demonstrate that not only can you not locate a free image but that it's not possible to create one. So, for example, if this sign were still in use then it would be feasible for somebody - not necessarily you - to go and take a photograph of the sign and upload it under a free licence. As the sign is no longer in use that solution isn't possible but you could contact the person who took the image and ask them to release it under a free licence. If they decline or don't answer then you have grounds for saying that criterion #1 is met because you have made attempts to get a free image but they have been unsuccesful.

Demonstrating criterion #1 has been met is a technical exercise. Criterion #8 is a different matter altogether. #8 is about contextual significance. To consider if the criterion is met you need to ask yourself about this picture, what benefit does seeing what the entrance sign used to look like add to the article and what understanding is lost by it's absence? The concern raised about this image is that the answer to this question is "nothing". If the old sign is significant then it is expected that as well a the image, the significance is discussed in the article text.

Compliance with all 10 criteria is mandatory and is going to be different for each image, so the only other non-free image you've uploaded File:Guardians of the Galaxy - Mission, Breakout Concept Art.jpg does meet all 10 criteria, #1 because it doesn't yet exist so no free image can be created and #8 because it doesn't exist the image helps readers to visualise what the completed ride will look like. Note though, that once the ride has been constructed crtierion #1 will no longer be met and the image should then be deleted.

I know all of this sounds like a right royal pain in the backside and it is but that is the price for trying to keep the amount on non-free content to a minimum and it is a policy that has to be adhered to so there is no corner cutting allowed. If you want to upload non-free content the onus is on you to ensure adherence with the criteria. Some images are going to be easier to justify than others but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Nobody is criticising you for uploading the image but the questions are being asked, does the rationale given meet the criteria? You're welcome to say at the file talk page why you think the criteria are met, if you now think they are. All I've tried to do here is to expand on what the concerns are and why others don't think the rational given is sufficient. Nthep (talk) 12:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

The plan for your future at Misplaced Pages

Please give your views here as soon as possible. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Please search for and respond to the paragraph starting "I'm not clear on what you are saying, Hawkeye75"

Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Your user page

What, exactly, was your issue with the correction? --NeilN 02:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Nothing, it's my user page. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

It's not your user page, it belongs to the community. See WP:UP#OWN. Right now, I cannot see any reason for that revert other than the same misguided obstinacy that has plagued your time here. --NeilN 02:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:USERTALKBLOG, "The best option if there is a concern with a user's page is to draw their attention to the matter via their talk page and let them edit it themselves". This never happened, and I was never notified. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye75, you've been asked by a few editors now not to wikilawyer and quote guidelines/essays as gospel. You're not required to be notified prior to an edit being made on your user page - it's happened to me before, where errors or what-not have been corrected or altered on my page, and I've corrected other users' pages too - they've been fine with it. You should really assume that the user helping you with the error on your user page was acting in good faith, which they clearly were. Zero 10:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

F.Y.I., that same page says this:

"In some cases a more experienced editor may make non-trivial edits to another user's user space, in which case that editor should leave a note explaining why this was done."

--MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 03:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Block message

Hi. The reasons for this block are spelled out here, including what is required for a successful unblock. Happy to discuss if required. -- Euryalus (talk) 14:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi again, have mildly amended the close to indicate that it's more than reading up on policies (you have clearly already done that); it's also understanding their application. As a statement of the obvious, this is more easily developed through observation over time, rather than by trial and error on Noticeboards like ANI and ANEW. Either way: as above am happy to discuss if required. -- Euryalus (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

@Euryalus: Hey, I'm just getting really frustrated since James Allison is reverting all my improved edits. Take for example this edit right here. I spent so much time adding text to the article and I don't see how this is not an improvement. This is the edit I made that took me almost an hour. I don't see how it isn't an improvement, the updated ride has a new queue and ride system which I added in. Also he made this edit which doesn't make any sense either. The article is about a Disneyland attraction, so I changed the infobox from a "train infobox" to the "attraction infobox". The attraction infobox is used at the Walt Disney World Railroad, so I'm not sure why it isn't used at the Disneyland Railroad... I know I'm blocked but I just want to make Misplaced Pages better. Hawkeye75 (talk) 03:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Unblock Request

Computer40 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I understand that I have made a mistake. Going forward, I will never revert more than once in the span of 24 hours on an article. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You'll need to be a lot more detailed than that, given the ANI discussion. MER-C 11:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Unblock Request

Computer40 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I understand that I was blocked for disrupting others from editing. It is mainly good faith, but I know that good faith can only take you so far. I believe that I have made helpful contributions to the encyclopedia such as this one, this one, this one and this one Going forward, I will give myself a 1RR Restriction (or an admin can give me it if necessary) and I will not use user talk pages, unless it is for serious issues (like IP Address Vandalism). Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per the thread below: unblocking on the conditions that:

(a) you are subject to a voluntary 0RR;

(b) you make every effort to stay away from the editors and topics you have so far interacted with. There's millions of articles on WP - plenty of space to find new areas to edit in

(c) you completely avoid noticeboards like AN, ANI and so on. You've clearly read Misplaced Pages's policies, but your understanding of their application was a bit lacking. Take some considerable time to watch the policies in practice before offering advice on their use or contributing to noticeboard debates, and you should be fine.

As suggested below, these restrictions are not permanent but you will need a substantial record of good contributions and collaborative editing before they're lifted. And with that, welcome back to editing. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Hawkeye75: You may want to consider @Anna Frodesiak:'s proposal at the ANI discussion. That you would be on a 0 revert restriction and that you keep all of your edits to the mainspace articles and their talk pages. More specifically that you won't edit any user talk pages nor will you make any edit to the Admin boards unless specifically notified to do so. Agreeing to these terms wouldn't guarantee an unblock but it may help your case. Ultimately it would be up to the reviewing admin.--Adam in MO Talk 00:11, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Offer

You say "...I understand that I have made a mistake..." and "...understand that I was blocked for disrupting others from editing..." If you cannot understand that you were blocked for so, so much more than "a mistake", then WP:CIR may apply here.

Trying to sell a return package with "...I have made helpful contributions" and "I will give myself" is not the way. Blocking admins want you to say exactly why you were blocked.

But frankly, I am not interested in that. I want to see the hours of wasted resources recovered. Here is probably the only way things might happen:

• 1. You agree to make a couple of thousand, constructive edits.
• 2. Zero reverts, ever, period.
• 3. You never undo, add to, or otherwise modify anything by any of the editors you have had any dealing with. Work on different infoboxes, paragraphs, sections, or articles. Keep distance.

I watch. We all watch. What will get you blocked indefinitely is: Any breach of 1, 2, or 3 above, or a single edit to any page other than an article including your talk page. If someone posts at your talk, do not touch it. Leave it. If you see blatant vandalism, leave it.

Plenty at AN/I didn't want this deal and preferred indef block. So, there is a very good chance that someone will post here objecting to this offer. If that happens, this offer may be off the table. If you try to bargain and set other conditions, I will take this offer off the table, permanently. If you say that you "absolutely, definitely understand and agree", then maybe, maybe, maybe the blocking admin will give you a chance. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I think that's fair, but I think an interact ban with some people on top of that would be good as well (which is even more strict). I absolutely, definitely understand and agree. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: since you are the one who is proposing them this deal, then please unblock them yourself. Thank you. Mona778 (talk) 02:50, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Have unblocked subject to certain restrictions listed above. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Euryalus: Can you take a look at this revert which doesn't make any sense. The queue is completely different today than how it was before the 2015-2016 refurbishment. Thanks. Hawkeye75 (talk) 03:51, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

No thanks. I'm not an expert on amusement rides and don't have anything useful to add to that content discussion. Per the above, it's also one of the articles you should stay away from. If you're keen on editing but unsure of where to start, you could try either the "random article" tab on the left; or WP:Requested articles; or the great lists that get generated from User:SuggestBot/Requests. But please leave the "Incredible Hulk roller coaster" article alone. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:03, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Do you know any admins that are familiar with amusement rides? Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:06, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Again, a condition o the unblock is that you stay away from the articles you have previously edited. That includes the Incredible Hulk (roller coaster) article which you last edited on August 19. Please don't go shopping for others to enter this content dispute for you - just leave it alone and go edit something else. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you meant there. When you said "stay away", I thought that was solely applied to editing. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Now that you are finally unblocked, you must thank Anna and Euryalus for it. And for god's sake stay out of trouble because you don't get another chance. There won't be no next time. Good luck! Mona778 (talk) 06:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems as if you are aggravating me...Everything is fine, let's just keep it at that. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:50, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

One of the conditions of your unblock was that you NOT edit User talk pages, your own being specifically included. But yet you are writing here, and growling at an editor that is wishing you well (directly above). This does not bode well for you, and as Mona told you, you won't be getting another chance. John from Idegon (talk) 08:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see that. Is there a way that the whole user talk page can be shut down so no one can post on it? I just don't want people posting wrong info or stuff, in which I can't reply to. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Never mind I saw it, this will be my final post here. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

• Euryalus and Anna Frodesiak: I have two related questions. First, whose unblock conditions control here, Euryalus's in the unblock box or Anna's proposed conditions to which Hawkeye75 agreed? Second, and more specifically, Euralyus's unblock conditions do not include Anna's restriction about Talk pages. Assuming it applies, as Hawkeye75 believes, how is anyone supposed to ask Hawkeye75 a question? It's a sort of interaction ban with everyone. I don't think that makes sense generally and, as an administrator, I have real trouble with it. Thanks for clarifying and my apologies for not bringing this up earlier.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Bbb23 and Euryalus. I didn't expect such a quick unblock before further discussion and input from observers. I just got in after a long day and am dead tired and just saw all of this. Please forgive me, but I must sleep and read and respond tomorrow. I'm sure we can fix/clarify things. On the upside, I checked 75's contribs and see constructive edits, which I'm happy about. If things go pear-shaped while I'm offline, please feel free to act as you see fit. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

(a) My unblock specifically does not include a talkpage ban for the reason you outline, and I don't support one being imposed. (b) Strictly, the other conditions (0RR and staying away from previous disputes) are voluntary (as I noted in the box). Absent either DS or a community consensus there is no mechanism for involuntary application. Therefore, Hawkeye75 can withdraw their willingness to abide by these at any time, though breaking them is likely to lead to a resumption of the block. -- Euryalus (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Pinging Bbb23 and Anna Frodesiak. -- Euryalus (talk) 16:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

With respect to (b), in my view, if he violates the restrictions, he may be reblocked without community involvement. As for (a), are you saying he can edit any Talk page, including other user Talk pages and article Talk pages? I don't think that's a good idea based on some of the edits he's made to Talk pages. At the same time, I'm not very happy with such a broad restriction, i.e., no Talk pages except his own.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Agree re (b), was just flagging the authority, or lack of it, under which these restrictions apply. On (a), indeed there is nothing in the unblock conditions that stop them editing any talkpage, other than those associated with the articles they've previously edited or the talkpages of any Noticeboard. However, disruptive behaviour should lead to a reblock in short order. -- Euryalus (talk) 16:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay, Euryalus and Bbb23 and I've read up to date and had a think.

First, I think our ducks were not lined up before the unblock. The "offer" obviously differs from the unblock conditions. I agree with Bbb23 that using and not using talk pages are both a problem. We have to pick. I'd pick no access, period. Here's my reasoning:

Can use talk pages: We've all been around for years and we've all seen 75's pattern. We know the likelihood of an indef soon is very, very high.

Cannot use talk pages: The problem is "...how is anyone supposed to ask Hawkeye75 a question..." The answer is, they can, but he cannot answer. We answer for him. We stand between him and others. Only mainspace edits with 0RR and avoiding old foes is the only way he will remain unblocked and contributing good edits. And that is the ultimate objective.

Conclusion: Misplaced Pages comes first, not convention nor 75's rights. Looking at the hours/keystrokes wasted at this talk and AN/I and then seeing 75 blocked in the next few days must be avoided. This pragmatic, unconventional, and new approach of zero talk access is a small, albeit odd price to pay if it clears the path to 2,000 mainspaces edits. This is acceptable to 75, to me, and I hope to others. I also hope approaches that have this sort of objective are adopted in other cases. Too many times I have seen such an editor come, cost the project hours, and then get indeffed. There has to be a better way, and I think this is worth trying. And, we may get lucky. Over the next month or so, 75 might get hooked on Misplaced Pages and be transformed when he is released from this bond. I suggest we make it clear to 75 that no talk access is the way to go. Responding to talk posts on his behalf (and if there are any, it may be an indication that he is not editing uncontroversially), would be dealt with if and when they happen and we can see how it goes. I await your feedback and will, of course, defer to your judgement. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I think we should allow him access to his own Talk page and no other Talk pages. If he can't use his own Talk page without screwing up, this is a waste of time.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:34, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Euryalus and Bbb23 --NeilN 01:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Optimism. After a rocky start, Hawkeye75 seems now to be making productive edits to a range of pages. He edits under specific voluntary restrictions outlined in the unblock box, and there are plenty of watchers if there is some new disruption. Instead of adding more restrictions, how about we just leave it as it stands and let the current productive editing continue? Or to put that another way, as the unblocking admin I don't think additional restrictions are necessary at this time, especially given the previous disruption has not (yet) reoccurred. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Euryalus, your approach seems to be ROPE with HOPE, something I have little confidence in, in this case. I'd much prefer keeping ROPE out of reach. But okay. I'll leave it to you and others to decide if it is to be own talk or any talk.

Hawkeye75, the message is crystal clear: Be absolutely wonderfully pleasant and polite and nice no matter what. Err on the side of way, way too nice. Stay safe. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I would also suggest that those he has had issues with avoid posting at this talk unless absolutely necessary. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I am a sunny optimist, perhaps. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Euryalus. Of all the ists, optim is my favourite. Real is not bad either. Pessim is dreadful. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Vancouver Canucks

Hello Hawkeye75, I do believe your edits to Vancouver Canucks using WP:REPEATLINK were in good faith, however, I believe since you are new you may not fully understand some of the guidelines around it. Generally, we limit the use of double linked articles within an article to once in the lead (the top summary section), once in the body (the main section), and any time it appears in a list, table or infobox. However, if the article is significantly large enough (such as with the Canucks), repeated links with in the article are acceptable given that they are adequately spaced out. This prevents someone reading about the 2011 Stanley Run who then wants to read about the Bruins from having to search for the single link somewhere higher up in the thousands of words above it. Also, in long articles, links may be repeated again in separate sections (such as 1982 Stanley Cup run and the Team captains sections) for the ease of finding reasoning. So not all your edits were incorrect, but it was like finding a needle in a haystack to find some them. However, I urge you to try again with those guidelines in mind.

On a second critique, you do not need to pipe links to put the punctuation inside the link (just ], not ]) – it is completely unnecessary. Thank you. Yosemiter (talk) 01:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, as a little tip, if you have a link that should be plural in context, you can put the "s" outside of the brackets and it will automatically be added to the rest of the link. Here's an example since my explanation probably didn't make much sense: ]s → papers --MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 02:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Reverting at Downtown Disney

Not only did you violate your 0RR restriction with this edit, you've also arguably broken condition (b) of your unblock with your edits there as well as at Disney's Paradise Pier Hotel. You've been doing very well so far. Please don't revert again, or you may be blocked from editing again. Per your request that I not edit your talk page, consider this message a warning as required by various noticeboards' process. Regards, James (/_contribs) 16:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Also at Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. Please review the conditions of the unblock, which include staying completely away from the articles you previously edited. -- Euryalus (talk) 20:28, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

That is right. What you've done are clear breaches and you should be indefinitely blocked. You are up to 620 edits and otherwise doing well. Consider this your last warning. Stay away from pages edited by those you've had issues with and zero reverts. Think of the outcome you wish for yourself. Tomorrow you are kicked off Misplaced Pages. Tomorrow you remain a Misplaced Pages editor. You are in complete control of your own future. That is the power you have. Be smart. Use that power to make the right moves in life. Only idiots screw themselves over. You are not an idiot. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

I'm just wondering if I can use article talk pages. Sorry, for using this talk page but you get no where in life without asking. And the Misplaced Pages live chat said to ask here. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, except those linked to the articles you edited prior to the block. Other than that, there is nothing in the unblock conditions that prevent you from using article talkpages or your own talkpage provided you do so within policy (for example WP:TALK). -- Euryalus (talk) 06:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh thanks, I didn't even see that I was allowed to post here. Hawkeye75 (talk) 07:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

NHL 11

Hawkeye I agree that source should not be there, I only put it back as when you edited it before it gave a broken link error. Due to everything that has happened I did not want you to get into an issue over it. I recommend going to talk page to have it removed though and I will be happy to support you on it as I agree with your reason for removal. I did not fully remove either to fix issue as without consensus to remove it, it will stir up issues. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 07:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, but NHL 11 is a 7 year old game, I don't think anyone visits the talk page anymore. It should just be removed. Hawkeye75 (talk) 07:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't suggest it without a consensus of some kind but you do what you feel you need to do. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 07:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Edits regarding Big Brother (U.S. TV series)

Hello :) I was just responding to your message about why I removed the CBS All Access season from the list of Big Brother seasons found here. The reason I removed them is CBS is referring to the 2017 and 2018 summer editions as the nineteenth and twentieth seasons respectively for broadcast on CBS Television Network also that section is for seasons that are part of the traditional aka broadcast edition. Where CBS is counting the digital edition separately from the broadcast edition (i.e. the upcoming fall season is considered "Season 1" of the digital edition) it has its own separate section with its own table here. I just want to say thank you for discussing the edit I made with me by reaching out instead of reverting it. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 19:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Notes

I have a bunch of points to make, so considering everyone is watching here, I'll post here:

Just in case, pinging @WarMachineWildThing, NeilN, MorbidEntree, James Allison, Euryalus, Mona778, and John from Idegon:

• Hawkeye, you are making lots of good edits. Well done. Please continue. Also, there is a huge, huge improvement in how you are relating to others.
• I'm seeing in a few non-admins, a bit of pushing toward an inevitable block. There is nothing inevitable here and Hawkeye is showing us that. Please help pull him from that edge instead, or avoid guidance altogether. Remember, Hawkeye is asked to avoid you, so please return the favour if you can and whenever possible.
• Hawkeye, please, keep distance. When in doubt, err on the side of caution.
• Hawkeye, if you have an issue with an editor about edits in an article, start an article talk page post (pinging the editor) rather than posting at the user's talk page. This way avoids the make it personal feel of a talk page post. It also avoids excluding others working on the article from the matter. The way two people in disagreement get things sorted out is to have a third, fourth, etc. helping achieve consensus.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Seen I would also like to say that after explaining how I felt to Hawkeye and how they responded I OPPOSE any block at this time and I encourage Hawkeye to keep moving forward. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" 00:42, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: please take a look at . As you can see, I was the only person who supported them at that ANI and opposed the block. So, I don't get what you mean by "Hawkeye is asked to avoid you, so please return the favour if you can and whenever possible."? Mona778 (talk) 01:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I think she means the editors that I have interacted with before. Hawkeye75 (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. I did say "...a few non-admins..." so I'm not naming names. The vast majority have been very supportive and helpful. You, Mona778, are one of them. You have been particularly helpful and encouraging. Thank you for that. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:22, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I wish them all the best. Mona778 (talk) 01:44, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

An old consensus trick

Using the article talk page, do not attempt to convert your opponents. Instead, aim at converting their audience. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

(These edit may be old, but are still relevant to discussion). About a week ago, I made a couple edits and 2 (#1 and #2) of them got removed for "not using an edit summary". I'm not sure why I didn't use it at the time (which is besides the point), but pretty much all of my edits come with an edit summary. Than today, I found Wash whites separately, who has only used the edit summary 6 times in his past 500 edits. The editor was already warned by an admin, but nothing has changed since, he still never uses edit summaries. I'm trying to figure out why his edits aren't reverted and mine were at the time. Hawkeye75 (talk) 09:04, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Just because you're upset about your edits being reverted doesn't mean you should try to drag other editors down with you. Remember, we're all in this together. I will try my best to include edit summaries for edits that are not minor edits. Thanks. Wash whites separately (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye75, this kind of "why me" whining is inappropriate and not a good way for you to spend your time. Just focus on your own conduct, not other editors' conduct. Using an edit summary is always a good idea, but many editors don't use them consistently. That doesn't mean you should take them to task for it simply because one or more of your edits were reverted. It would be unusual to revert an idea solely because there's no edit summary, but if the edit is problematic otherwise and unexplained, it might very well be reverted.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Please don't make changes that don't affect the rendered text

This is purely my personal opinion, not official WP policy or guideline or even an essay—but speaking strictly personally, I would like to ask you to refrain from edits that do not affect the rendered text, such as this edit that you made to Misplaced Pages.

Specifics:

• Many editors prefer to use two spaces at the end of sentences to make them visually easier to find in the edit window. And others do it just out of old typewriter habits. For example, the previous sentence has two spaces after it, while this one has just one. You'll notice that they render the same. (Similarly, it is a habit with many to hit the space bar at least once after every period, even if the period is at the end of a paragraph. And again, there is no effect on the rendered text, so no reason to remove it.)

I'm not reverting these changes and I certainly am not going to bring any "cases" anywhere. But I'm leaving you this note to ask you to consider: While such edits do not affect the text seen by the reader, they do increase editor workload. They complicate the editing history of the article and make diffs between versions more time-consuming to go through. Many of these non-rendering changes can be difficult to see and evaluate in the diffs display. This can sometimes cause a lot of wasted time and effort for later editors trying to figure out what previous edits have done.

All because of edits that do not improve the article for the reader, not in the slightest detail.

I realize you are acting in good faith to improve the encyclopedia as you see it, but please consider that you are making unnecessary work for those who follow you. Thank you for considering this suggestion. Jeh (talk) 05:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I do think that the article should be written with consistency, though. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Jeh makes very good points. There are good reasons not to remove double spaces and no good reasons to remove them. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Why are there no good reasons to remove double spaces  ? They look out of place . Hawkeye75 (talk) 01:29, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I already gave several reasons: You increase other editors' workload; you complicate the edit history; etc. These reasons apply not only to removing double spaces but to many other types of edits that don't affect the rendered text. Note that WP:Consistency doesn't say a thing about styles used in wikitext; as multiple editors will have contributed to an article, it is perfectly reasonable that styles within the wikitext may differ. We have more than enough P&G to worry about without concerning ourselves with such minutiae! Finally, if a particular style of using whitespace or newlines or etc. in the wikitext is considered an "optional style", then changing them purely for personal preference is contrary to a past Arbcom ruling. Jeh (talk) 07:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Possible removal of restrictions

User:Euryalus et al: Hawkeye75 has made 426 good mainspace edits in total. It has been over a week since the unblock. I have seen a huge change in his edits. There have been a few breaches of the conditions, but all in all, I think he now understands what it takes to remain unblocked and to get reblocked indefinitely. Should we now remove the restrictions and allow him to govern himself? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I must strongly object. IMO, the restrictions are what is ensuring productive editing. Hawkeye supposedly agreed to voluntary 0RR and topic restrictions and then pretty much immediately violated them. As I've said, it is my view that they maintain a confrontational, anti-consensus editing style. Until they demonstrate they can follow their restrictions and better practice consensus-building, the restrictions should remain in place. Regards, James (/_contribs) 06:29, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. In fact, I think there should be broad consensus to remove restrictions before the, say, 2,000-edit mark, so as far as I'm concerned, your objection takes this proposal off the table. Hawkeye75, please keep heading in the favourable direction I am seeing. No breaches, be nice, and seek consensus. Cheers to all. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:46, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

People who have I've have had issues with in the past, were asked to avoid me, James Allison did not obey this request. You've been stalking my user contributions and you are the only one who is constantly in opposition of me and bringing negativity to my talk page. You are in fact, the only person who makes me want to quit Misplaced Pages. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

And about your point about the 0RR, my unblock had no restrictions on me reverting vandalism. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) PMFJI. Assuming that your 0RR restriction is as described at WP:0RR (and I see nothing to indicate that it isn't), WP:0RR does say that the 3RR exemptions are applicable even to 0RR. And the exemptions do include

"4. Reverting obvious vandalism—edits that any well-intentioned user would agree constitute vandalism, such as page blanking and adding offensive language."

However, Hawkeye75, given the history here (which just FYI I was unaware of when I commented previously on non-rendering edits)... it seems to me that it would be prudent of you to tread lightly. Again, I am not an admin and this is only my suggestion. Jeh (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

James, how would you feel about avoiding him? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I had a brief feud with MorbidEntree and we've both mutually avoided each other and I still respect him as an editor. I don't see why James cannot do the same. Hawkeye75 (talk) 07:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye75, you say about James: "...been stalking my user contributions...". Please show me where. After Aug 27 where I wrote above "...Hawkeye is asked to avoid you, so please return the favour if you can and whenever possible...", and looking here, I see no occurrences of James coming to an article after you edited it and making changes. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you referring to him posting here with his views? If so, I think it is fair that he have his say. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:27, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I can think of 2 scenarios as of late (probably more). As of now, James Allison has 11,284 edits. When I made this edit, James reverted it a good 5 hours later. He was probably looking through my user's contributions and saw the (-5,969) and HAD to go look at it and revert it (The edit was an attempt at a WP:SPLIT). This is the first time James Allison visited the "BB18 page", and I assume he had no intentions of visiting it, if I had not gone there. Any other editor watch-listing the BB18 page could have reverted it. The second case I have in mind is when I made this edit, where I put "minor self promotion" in the edit summary. A couple hours later, James reported him to the AN. I'm using the word probably, but the chances of these 2 instances (probably more) being coincidences are extremely low. Hawkeye75 (talk) 07:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

To be fair, the first instance you refer to neglects to point out that he reverted himself right afterward. Reverting you was an accident on his part while modifying other content and he put back what you had done. The second instance has nothing to do with you. These two things you point out only indicate that he is observing your contributions. He is not following your around undoing or modifying your work. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'd like to hear his comments. He made an edit after my first post on this section, so I assume that he's seen it. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. And please do not look into my contributions. It must remain a secret that I don't really get anything done here. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

passing opinion: Productive editing going mostly ok, let's leave things as is for now. Other views welcome. -- Euryalus (talk) 11:12, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. In regard to the comments above, I believe I have followed Anna's request in good faith to the best of my ability. I am open to other editors' input on my participation in discussions such as this one or this one. Regards, James (/_contribs) 17:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Noting that I know nothing at all about theme parks; those two discussions look fine except perhaps for Hawkeye75's somewhat aggressive opening comments in the second one. But that was pre-block - later comments have a more constructive tone. On a fairly cursory review, looks OK to me. -- Euryalus (talk) 19:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Euryalus. I understand and agree. Let's review at 2,000 edits. At the rate he is going, that should be quite soon. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit to User:Hawkeye75

Hi HE75, I've added {{div col}} to your user page to get those two awards next to each other - you can change the spacing by changing the colwidth=100px value -- samtar 08:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for directing me to the "div col" page, but it was very odd how it cut off the text. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey Hawkeye glad to see your still working hard, just a small thing though you need 1000 edits & 3 months of service to display the apprentice badge. Personally don't care but someone could stir up a stink over it. Again glad to see your still editting. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" 02:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh thanks I added it by mistake. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:21, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Like I said no biggie to me, you seem to be doing a good job with your edits and I don't wanna see ya caught up in something that is a simple error, keep up the good work! Chris "WarMachineWildThing" 02:25, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Do you mind telling me how you put colour in your signature? I tried doing it in preferences but it doesn't seem to work. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:35, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Never mind I got it. All I had to do was check the wiki markup box. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:39, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

lol glad you saw the errorChris "WarMachineWildThing"

Your recent edits

You are still removing double spaces. Again, there is no reason to remove them and good reasons not to. Please stop.

You reverted him twice and called it vandalism. Any comment on that?

Are you slipping back in to your old ways? What is happening here? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes? Please continue. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes I am just looking at the WP pages. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I still don't see why the double spaces are bad??? Can we take this to the rulebook person of Misplaced Pages. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:19, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to game the system, but grammar-wise, it is incorrect. It is like asking someone to not put a period at the end of a sentence. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Double spaces are fine and common. Read previous posts about why not to remove them. And about the reverts and calling them vandalism? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

This user was breaking edit summary vandalism by making report threats and calling me the victim and later user and user talk page vandalism by saying that my behaviour isn't "normal" (which I find extremely offensive). Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Anyhow, I will not indefinitely block you until or unless the unblocking admin User:Euryalus has a look and advises. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Double-spaces after sentences are absolutely NOT a grammar issue, rather punctuation and typography, and are most certainly NOT incorrect.

As far as I'm aware, everybody who is properly trained to use a typewriter, or a computer keyboard where the output is going to be monospaced, is trained to hit the spacebar twice after each sentence. (In fact, most of the non-propspaced text formatters I've used add the double-spaces if the typist didn't include them in the input.) It is, after all, widely accepted that the end-of-sentence space should be wider than the inter-word space; this makes the make sentence boundaries easier to see and so improves readability. Well, if you have only monospaced type - as we do here in the edit window - double spaces are the only tool we have to do that.

You should not "fix" them because they are not broken, and you should also avoid "fixing" them because making such inconsequential edits annoys other editors. That alone should be enough justification for you to stop.

I'm not an admin, but I feel compelled to state: If I were an admin, your stubborn refusal to accept advice from more-experienced editors on this point would not argue for lifting the restrictions currently placed on you, but rather the opposite. It's not that the double-space removals themselves are that serious. But failure to take good advice, reverting to previously disapproved-of actions when you're supposed to be on your best behavior? That's serious.

@Anna Frodesiak: In light of the above, I suggest that Hawkeye75's edits that consist only of changing double-spaces to single should not count toward the 2000 required "good edits". Because, of course, they're not good edits. They're unnecessary and s/he has been asked to stop, with good and sufficient reason provided. Jeh (talk) 06:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

When I searched up "should you put two spaces after a period?" on Google, the first 2 articles were against it. Also, the sentence spacing article claims that it isnt desirable or necessary. I appreciate your time, but this is only one case where I didn't want to listen to advice because I don't believe in it, this was anything from stubborn. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Jeh, I agree. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

A very nice man on the MoS talk page, told me why it wasn't good to remove double spaces. He made it a lot more clear. Hawkeye75 (talk) 07:49, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Good advice from WP:COPYEDIT:

• According to Butcher's Copy-editing, "The good copyeditor is a rare creature: an intelligent reader and a tactful and sensitive critic; someone who cares enough about perfection of detail to spend time checking small points of consistency in someone else's work but has the good judgement not to waste time or antagonize the author by making unnecessary changes."

I don't personally care whether there are double spaces after sentences, but removing them is unnecessary and your persistence in doing so is antagonising others. Please desist. -- Euryalus (talk) 10:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Euryalus: I don't want to spend any more time on this unless I have some administrative authority. If it had been my call, I would have indefinitely blocked Hawkeye for his obvious violation(s) of his editing restrictions, but based on Anna Frodesiak's comments, it seems like, forgive me, that you have that ability exclusively. I can't say I'm any happier with Hawkeye's subsequent behavior on this page and on my Talk page. He reverted my critical comment and congratulated me on the number of edits I've made. That kind of passive/aggressive behavior is in character based on my observations and is not in the least conducive to collaborative editing. It's the same kind of behavior he exhibited at Wash whites separately's Talk page. He told Wws that they had an "attitude". He even said that stalking on Misplaced Pages is "normal". He then apologized and asked Wws if he accepted his apology, to which Airplaneman rightfully criticized his conduct as potentially disrespectful.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Thanks for the message. No one has exclusive rights to any janitorial activity; if you feel Hawkeye75 is disrupting the editing proces and/or community's patience is again exhausted, please feel free to take any action you see fit. -- Euryalus (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: At this point, Hawkeye is making a mockery of their "restrictions". The behavior you have described is exactly what led to community consensus for a block at ANI. Their behavior as discussed on this page and here is exactly the same as before their block. While I appreciate the good faith extended by Euryalus and Anna, given their recent behavior, repeated violations of their unblock conditions after repeated warnings (such as, but not limited to, reverting and claiming vandalism on edits that are clearly not vandalism), and community consensus for a block at Hawkeye's last ANI, any admin would be well within their rights to impose a fully-deserved reblock. Regards, James (/_contribs) 18:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23:, Euryalus et al. I didn't mean to imply that I have that ability exclusively. Of course not. My apologies for not being clear. I'd say Hawkeye75 should be indefinitely blocked considering the hostile behaviour below, constant wiki-lawyering, resumption of double space removals against community wishes, the rapper article reverts, and other sundry transgressions. He did not stay clear of the line, nor did he flirt with it. He blatantly and increasing has gotten back to the same old ways, clearly over the line in light of the ANI thread. I have seen enough. Any admin, please feel free to indef with my full support. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:11, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: You didn't imply that. I thought you were implying that Euryalus did, but he very nicely set me straight on that. I agree with you, but I've gotten embroiled not only in the discussion below, which was bad enough, but also a mostly unpleasant discussion on my Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bbb23. Ah I see now the post was directed to Euryalus. I'm still on my first coffee. Yes, I felt he should perhaps give input before a block considering he is the unblocking admin and more patient than both of us put together.

So, have we seen enough? I have. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: You're more patient than I am. I don't know Euryalus well enough to say, but he strikes me as more minimalist. I think Hawkeye has run out of rope and needs to take a long break from Misplaced Pages before he can possibly become a net benefit to the project. However, this recent extended discussion with him has worn me out, and I don't like to block someone in these particular circumstances when I'm tired and/or frustrated. Even his responses below to your comments demonstrate almost a total lack of insight into his own behavior.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

What hostile behaviour? How do you re-direct someone to WP page? I never understood that removing double space were bad until yesterday. Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

No. 31 August 2016. Read above. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I never understood what he meant in the August 31 post. Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:27, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Seen enough of what? Those were 2 valid claims though. Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:24, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I like the word "minimalist" in this context. The unblock was worth a try in order to encourage a new editor. the reblock is disappointing but justified. Mildly, part of giving someone a second chance is also giving them the space in which to exercise it. Worth considering if that entirely happened here, but the issue seems otherwise appropriately resolved. -- Euryalus (talk) 05:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

References

1. Judith Butcher, Caroline Drake and Maureen Leach, Butcher's Copy-editing, Cambridge University Press, fourth edition, 2006, p. 4.

A cool little template for your user page

Hey, I know we are mutually avoiding each other, but I have this cool template that you can use to display the correct service award on your user page. I got the idea to show this to you when I saw this comment on your user talk page. You can use the {{service awards}} template, with some variables, to show the correct award. Also, if you want an easy way yo update the edits variable, you can make a subpage in your userspace (like User:Hawkeye75/edits) and transclude it into the edits variable. Here's the code that I use if you want to use it as a starting point:

{{service awards|year=2010|month=4|day=1|edits={{User:MorbidEntree/edits}}}}

I hope that this helps out :) --MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 07:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Hawkeye75 (talk) 07:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

September 2016

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of style, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia.

The edit in question is your edit to Dicklyon's comment here: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AManual_of_Style&type=revision&diff=737667735&oldid=737667201

Not only did you edit someone else's comment (an action which is proscribed by WP:TPOC, except in some circumstances, none of which apply here), the markup you changed it to was incorrect. When using a "spaced en dash" (an en dash with a space on either side), if you must use nbsp, you would use the nbsp in place of the first space. Not the second.

The way you had it, should the line be wrapped at that point, the word before the spaced en dash would end the preceding line and then next line would begin with a dash and a space. No, no, no. You want the dash "attached" to the preceding word. So the line would end with the preceding word, then a space, then the dash, and the next word after the dash would begin the next line. You don't want the reader to have to scan to the beginning of the next line to realize that the dash is there!

Practically, of course, for this particular edit it makes no difference. The word preceding the dash was the start of a graf, so the chances are just about zero that the line would be broken at either of those spaces (unless the reader has a screen width of about an inch).

Nevertheless, the point remains: You're not supposed to edit other people's talk page comments; but if there is compelling reason to edit them, get it right.

My previous point remains also: Even if this had been a valid contribution, you would, I think, do well to focus on far more substantive work rather than yet more forms of wikitwiddling, worrying about positions of badges on your user page, putting colored fonts in your signature, etc., etc., etc.

I realize you may be feeling a bit badgered at this point. I only noticed your edit at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of style because I'd noticed someone else's edit to the double-space section and, as usual, I checked the page history to see what else had happened since I'd looked at it last. There is no animosity intended. Notices and explanations like this one are intended to help you improve, that is all. I hope you will accept this in that spirit. Jeh (talk) 10:43, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

What are you talking about?!? Is everything ok? I removed a damn space (which is legal under WP:TPO) and your posting this big paragraph on my page blasting me. You need to chill out, I just removed a space. Hawkeye75 (talk) 19:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

No, it's not okay. An editor goes to enormous trouble to help you, and you lash out - after doing something on a talk page that was absolutely unnecessary. This kind of behavior is unfortunately part of a pattern, and your inability to break that pattern is not helping you.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:51, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Wait I just realized something. Is this a setup to change my username? This was Hawkeye7's edit not mine. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

There is no way that you would treat Hawkeye7 that way, you should treat everyone the same on Misplaced Pages. Absolutely disgusting. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Would you like me to post that less than friendly comment on Hawkeye7's page? If you were fair and neutral on Misplaced Pages, your text would be the same no matter what editor that you were talking to. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:12, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's very funny. I can understand why some of us didn't notice that it wasn't you, but why were you defending yourself/not yourself? Your attitude toward Jeh is still deplorable, but the entire thing is now looking a bit farcical. A "setup" by whom?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:13, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

That's very funny? Your laughing at this situation and your an admin? This isn't even funny, I just got accused and harassed for something that I didn't do. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh for pity's sake. An editor made an understandable mistake, tried to help you, and you're blowing up as if that editor and the world is out to get you. You really need to grow up and get a grip. The way you look at it it's not funny, but your way of looking at is absurd.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, telling me to grow up really motivates me to make more edits. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:19, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment - Im posting the comment on Hawkeye7's talk page, since it was meant for him. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:21, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Don't do that.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Why not? It was meant for him. You claim that it was just a "mistake". Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't meant for him. It was meant for you because Jeh thought it was you who did it. You're not in the same position as Hawkeye7, and you can't know what Jeh would have done had he noticed his error. So don't.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

That isn't how Misplaced Pages works, just cause you have an issue with an editor doesn't mean you get to put a hateful tone in your comment. That is uncivil. Hawkeye75 (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

OH *&*^*!. Mea culpa. Yes, it was Hawkeye7's edit. @Hawkeye75:, I'm sorry. That was my mistake.

But, no, you should absolutely not copy my text onto anyone else's talk page. As Bbb23 says, you don't know what I would have written to Hawkeye7. Worse, it would show up with your username in the edit history, and that's not how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work. And I see ho "hateful tone" in anything Bbb23 has written here, just good advice. And no, removing spaces is not permitted under WP:TPO. It is not in any of the "examples of appropriately editing others' comments", nor parallel to any of them. Jeh (talk) 20:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Alright while I accept your apology, but I think you should leave a post on Hawkeye7's talk page about the edit to prove that your intentions were right. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:12, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I intend to, but it will have to wait until I'm on a real computer. Jeh (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

That's great to hear. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Blocked

I think I can speak for the community in saying that we have had enough and that you are a net negative to the project. You have had plenty of WP:ROPE and have persisted (increasingly) in your old ways. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Why are you the one blocking me? It should be a third opinion. Hawkeye75 (talk) 23:45, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

If the reason is not clear to you by now, then I must cite WP:CIR. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:49, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you take an extended break. Come back in six months and tell us that you understand the problem and explain how things will be different. If you do that, you have a good chance of being unblocked. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Lmao, six months is not a break. Hawkeye75 (talk) 00:14, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Day 1 of Block

This editor is feeling sad. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Day 2 of Block

This editor is feeling surprisingly happy. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye, please don't keep a daily journal of your block. It's not a proper use of this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 10:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye, because you don't listen to what others tell you about not using this Talk page to edit by proxy, I have revoked your Talk page access. You may use WP:UTRS to appeal.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:41, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Computer40 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

UTRS appeal #16549 was submitted on Sep 18, 2016 02:48:03. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 02:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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UTRS appeal #16758 was submitted on Oct 20, 2016 01:59:29. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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UTRS appeal #16759 was submitted on Oct 20, 2016 06:01:31. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 06:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Computer40 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

UTRS appeal #17050 was submitted on Dec 05, 2016 08:34:19. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 08:34, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Computer40 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

UTRS appeal #17698 was submitted on Mar 07, 2017 02:25:49. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 02:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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UTRS appeal #17702 was submitted on Mar 07, 2017 09:03:04. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 09:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

A Fresh Start?

Hello my username is Hawkeye75 and I am seeing if I could be unblocked from Misplaced Pages. I'll try my best to explain myself. On July 14th, I created my Misplaced Pages accounts. I was always amused at how it easy it was to find info by clicking on Misplaced Pages. I created an account to try and contribute to the encyclopedia and let other people gain new knowledge and have the same experience that I do when searching for information. I really enjoyed the first few weeks on Misplaced Pages as I created new articles and added new text. An admin even said that I was one of the quickest learners of the site. Two weeks into the creating of my account, I received a 3 day block because I referred to another editor by the wrong pronoun. Unfortunately instead of striving to improve, it went downhill from there. I got some of my edits and contributions either reverted or deleted and I felt angry. I felt that others were "above me" and I was being treated unfairly. After this, I got mad and started creating arguments and started edit warring and getting into wars. I got blocked on September 4 and up to this day I have been thinking about what I did and I acknowledge that I was wrong. I created lots of unwanted drama. If I do get unblocked, I can promise this will not happen again. I will contribute helpful information to the encyclopedia to this project that will never end. I hope that you guys can see that I have changed. I can elaborate more on something if need me. As Jimbo Wales once said "Misplaced Pages is yours. I trust you". Trust me. Hawkeye75 (talk) 00:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I spoke to Hawkeye75 in the IRC unblock channel where they answered my question on how they would deal with edit wars in the future: "Well, now that I have had time to cool down, I will not start reverting wars or get angry at the reverted, but rather have a simple conservation about the revert on the talk page or just agree with the revert if it's justified" That is the attitued I would like to see; thus I'd be willing to give Hawkeye75 one last chance. Anna Frodesiak, would you agree to an unblock? Huon (talk) 01:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Huon. Yes, I would.

Hawkeye75, welcome back and please don't make us (and you) look like idiots. Please remember to be patient about responding to things you don't like. This is how many of us think:

• After 1 minute: I am furious. He's wrong. I'm reverting and he's going to hear it from me!
• After 5 minutes: Okay, let's think about this. I'm less furious.
• After 1 hour: I see different sides. I'm not furious. I still want to revert, though.
• After 1 day: Okay, let's discuss things and get some consensus.
• After 1 week: That was no big deal. I just don't care anymore.
• After 15 years: I haven't edited Misplaced Pages in 12 years and now have four kids and a mortgage.

The moral: time passage makes you edit maturely and leads to kids and a mortgage. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Anna Frodesiak and Huon, did either of you look at the disposition of Hawkeye's last UTRS appeal?--Bbb23 (talk) 02:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I did, and I'm aware that he was advised to wait for six months from October 30. However, I see nothing in his UTRS unblock requests that necessitates a reset of the timer from his original block. I have unblocked the account. Huon (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I see you busily editing

Good! Keep it up! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Good! I'm glad you're back. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. -Hawkeye75 (talk) 00:32, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Canucks numbers taken out of circulation

What board? --Parkfly20 (talk) 11:33, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Deleting Ciera Eastin's page???????

There are many other players who did not win have a Misplaced Pages page. She does deserve one and please take down your nomination.

Hi there, please consider using the signature feature next time. You can use the contest button on the page too. Thanks. Hawkeye75 (talk) 03:20, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

On this revision:

at Overwatch, I don't understand the edit summary comment of your revert. It talks about plans for a map editor in Blizzard's long term plan, as part of the ongoing support for the game, so I don't see how that's the wrong section. --MASEM (t) 00:07, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Well the section is mainly for post-release content and not future post-release content. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Anything now and into the future is all "post-release" for the game at this point, and it is the most logical section to include what Blizzard has said may be coming down the line that doesn't immediately fit anywhere else. --MASEM (t) 20:31, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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Camp Discovery

Hi, I saw you reverted my edit made yesterday: The reason I removed the wikilink is that there is no page currently for the Camp Discovery Disney attraction in Shanghai. There is only a page for the Tennessee summer camp for the disabled. The name of the place is identical but it is totally unrelated. The Disney list article was linking to that unrelated Camp Discovery article, so I removed the link because there is currently no page for the Disney attraction. I am not sure why you have reverted my edit? Kidburla (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

My bad, would've helped if you entered an edit summary so I knew. Hawkeye75 (talk) 00:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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to reply to me 15:15, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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to reply to me 15:16, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Accusing editors and citing policies

Hello Hawkeye75, I see you have been busy contributing busily to the wikipedia. But I will state one again, I HIGHLY recommend you do not accuse of editors of violating one of the many policies on wikipedia, some of which can contradict each other, such as you did with your edit summary on Alaska Aces (ECHL). For one, I showed no ownership behavior, I edited your addition to try to match with the WP:PROSELINE format (which you are right, that article needs work in that regard so I will add it to my ever growing list of off-season articles to clean up). I made 0 reverts to that page except when it is too soon, unverified, or incorrect. If it looks like ownership, it is only because I watch all minor league team pages, so I frequently edit them. But doesn't mean all valuable content comes from me, and is in fact usually not from me, I just clean.

You could say I am a wikihound, but only because I see suspicious edits, check their edits, and clean them if needed. "Many users track other users' edits, although usually for collegial or administrative purposes" (from WP:HOUND) is why I do this. I am simply trying to teach, not harass. You seem interested in editing and I am only trying to help you. But your accusations irk me and it appears that I am not first according to your talk page.

So due to your use of improperly citing Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, I am kindly asking you to refrain from doing so. It will only make you look bad in the end. Thank you, Yosemiter (talk) 21:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

You're the only person I've accused since being unblocked. Hawkeye75 (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Spacing of the badges on your user page.

I noticed the comment on your user page regarding the spacing of the badges. I propose this fix:

{{Div col|colwidth=7em|content=

{{Registered Editor}}

{{Novice Editor}}

}}

You can alter the spacing by changing colwidth. Lmbro (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, however it when I put it in edit preview it was "cut in half" to describe it. You can try to fix it if you want. Thanks. Hawkeye75 (talk) 08:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I can't edit you page unfortunately. However, it seemed correct when I previewed it. If I put it here it looks like this:

Lmbro (talk) 09:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

AfD Nominations

Hello. Please avoid nominating articles at AfD, without giving any rationale for deletion as you did here. They are likely to be closed per Speedy Keep criteria 1. Thanks! TheMagikCow (T) (C) 08:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I re-nominated them with a rationale. Hawkeye75 (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:POLITICIAN

"Gyan Singh is an Indian politician from the state of Madhya Pradesh. He was first elected to Lok Sabha in 1996 General Election." That enough not just to prevent speedy, but to pass AfD. DGG ( talk ) 18:55, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

To refresh your memory, Hawkeye7 (Incidentally, I see your username has come up again- I'll chime in below), DGG was referring to this. Happy editing! — O Fortuna 07:03, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

You are invited to WikiProject YouTube

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Note

There's an active and more-tenured editor that you by the name of Hawkeye7. You might have to change your username. :( J947 05:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Nah. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:16, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Anna Frodesiak as someone active here at this talk page. J947 05:35, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, let's start with hearing what User:Hawkeye7 thinks about it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:47, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I think your only the second person who has had a problem with this. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:57, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think there has been any confusion. Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Cheers. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

In the role of innocent bystander, and having checked out this talk page and this account's general editing history, I think it's safe to say that no-one will ever confuse the two editors :) Cheers! — O Fortuna 07:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: That was quite rude and childish. You might want to look up the five pillars of Misplaced Pages, or more specifically read this article about civility. Per WP:NOBAN, stay away from my talk page in the future. Hawkeye75 (talk) 02:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean, Hawkeye75? Also, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, I confused the two when looking at an AfD and wondering whether Hawkeye7 had changed his name, or possibly even changed his signature and accidentally typing '5'. That's what brought me here. J947 04:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@J947:Hawkeye75 is also quite active here and their contributions don't seem to overlap with HE7's. 75's contributions are of no lesser value just because they haven't been here as lone. I'd suggest you check out

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Water parks and water rides

I've created Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Amusement Parks#Water parks and water rides, any and all input appreciated. 82.132.242.204 (talk) 13:09, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Recent reverts

Hi. I have some questions and an observation about some of your recent edits and reverts:

You added a level-4 "disruptive editing" warning template to my user talk page without any prior discussion or warnings, and gave no details or examples. Please can you explain?

You reverted one of my edits with the summary "not a ride type, gf". What does 'gf' mean?

You reverted another of my edits with the summary "No explanation, new account has made ~100 edits within a day with no discussion". However, the edit you reverted had the summary "Redirected page to List of amusement rides#SBNO". I had previously added "Standing but not operating (SBNO)" to the target article twice, first with the summary "+SBNO", which you reverted, and then again with the summary "Undid revision 806800063 by Hawkeye75 (talk) - Standing but not operating redirects to here", which you also reverted. Prior to my edit, Standing but not operating was a redirect to List of defunct amusement parks, which has no explanation of the term and would obviously not be a suitable place for such an explanation, and after my edit it redirected to an appropriate article with a referenced explanation. How were my edit summaries insufficient, and how do you justify these reverts?

Do you feel there is a problem with what you describe as a 'new account' making ~100 constructive edits, almost all with edit summaries?

Also, you reverted several of my edits and marked your reverts as 'minor'. WP:Minor suggests that Reverting a page is not likely to be considered minor under most circumstances. When the status of a page is disputed, and particularly if an edit war is brewing, then it is better not to mark any edit as minor. Reverting blatant vandalism is an exception to this rule - I hope this is a helpful observation.

Please can you reply here, to keep the discussion on one page. Thanks. 2001:E68:542E:805D:8C57:F442:F6F9:83E8 (talk) 04:08, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Are you a sockpuppet because you have used 2 different IP's that were created in the last 2 days? There are probably more than that. Why are you changin all the SBNO? There was no discussion on this and you have changed 100+ pages with it involved. Make an account and start a discussion, or I will be posting on ANSP for suspicion of sockpuppetry. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I posted this 5 minutes ago and you have made 3 edits since then. I assume you are ignoring me and with that I will start an ANSP investigation. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:52, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

"Why are you changin all the SBNO? There was no discussion on this" - didn't you read Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Standing but not operating, and follow the link there to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Archive 3#Status fields in attraction articles, before you reverted my edit to the Standing but not operating redirect? 2001:E68:542E:805D:8C57:F442:F6F9:83E8 (talk) 05:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Let me change that, there was actually no consensus before the discussion was closed, so there is no valid proof that it should be changed. Start a discussion and stop using an IP account. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:40, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Which discussion? Link please. 2001:E68:542E:805D:8C57:F442:F6F9:83E8 (talk) 06:56, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

BTW, Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/2001:E68:542E:805D:96D:E06A:F27F:4424 has now closed. 2001:E68:542E:805D:8C57:F442:F6F9:83E8 (talk) 07:05, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hawkeye: I was also alarmed by the sudden change of more than 100 pages by an IP user with no account, but I did look into it, and the edits are legitimate. The user did offer an explanation for each edit. According to this page: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Standing but not operating, SBNO has been removed from the Misplaced Pages lexicon. Apparently this discussion took place back in July. I was not aware of the discussion at the time or I would have weighed in. As a published author, I have used the term SBNO, and I know several other authors who also use the term. It is not simply an RCDB.com term as one user had suggested but was actually coined in the 1970s by Robert Cartmel, an author who used to write for the New York Times. However, the decision has been made, and I really don't have a problem with it. The terms closed and demolished can replace SBNO. If a coaster has closed I guess we will let the reader assume it is still standing until it reopens or is marked as demolished.—JlACEer (talk) 13:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you tell me where the discussion was made because the discussion you linked was about an article. Hawkeye75 (talk) 01:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

That page has the discussion. Different users voiced their opinion on whether or not the page, Standing but not operating, should be deleted. The final item shows that a decision was made to redirect the page to List of defunct amusement parks, which really makes no sense as closed rides can occur at open amusement parks, but that was the decision made. So now all the articles that have links to the page SBNO are no longer valid. That is why this IP user is changing "SBNO" to "closed."

See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Standing but not operating

I agree with JlACEer's assessment. Any article with a link to the deleted SBNO article should have that link removed. It appears that the anonymous editor is following through on that. As for the various redirects (SBNO, Standing but not operating, Standing But Not Operating, etc.), they should all probably point to a better location. However, since it was decided in an AfD, a follow-up discussion should probably be had before making further changes. Having it at WT:WikiProject Amusement Parks would be a decent location to further hash that out. --GoneIn60 (talk) 12:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi Hawkeye,
Please see Talk:3 ft gauge railways#Vandalism?.
Peter Horn User talk 19:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Please explain

At Talk:3 ft gauge railways#Vandalism you said "I think he user needs to be blocked as well."

Why do you think that?

Please reply here to keep conversation on one page. Thanks. 210.187.205.198 (talk) 04:48, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017

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Request reason:

Hi there. I would like to make a plead to be unblocked from Misplaced Pages. I originally got banned for having a battleground mentality and harassing other users. I felt like I put a lot of effort into editing different articles and I got mad when someone either reverted or removed my edits. It was very frustrating seeing the work disappear. I failed to look at both sides of why my edits were removed. If I do get unblocked and me edits are reverted, I will either let it be or start a civil discussion on the article talk page. Another reason why I originally got blocked was my anger towards IP users. I was angry that the same person could have different IP accounts and it was hard to tell who was who. I read over some of the Misplaced Pages articles and learned more about dynamic IP's and other stuff. After getting blocked, I selfishly made a sockpuppet. I did this because I really wanted to edit Misplaced Pages. That is the truth. It was very frustrating to see mistakes in the encyclopedia and not be able to fix them. It was a very poor decision. I then did a lot of thinking and decided to take the standard offer. During the 6 months that I was blocked, I did not sockpuppet and thought about my actions. I learnt that with the power of editing comes responsibility as well. I will not continue my old habits and I hope to make positive edits in the future. I hope I get the chance to contribute to Misplaced Pages again. Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I've unblocked based on community consensus at AN, and renamed based on our discussion here. Please remember to also change your signature. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:34, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

• Checkuser note for reviewing admin: I see no evidence of socking since User:JudgeJake40, and the user has one of the stickiest IPs I've seen in a while so any evasion would be fairly evident.--Jezebel's Ponyo 16:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Ponyo: To clarify, where does that leave an edit such as this; does it imply an attempt to get a sock unblocked (bad) or to mirror what's being appealed here (not, I suppose, so bad)? —SerialNumber54129 16:38, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: The JudgeJake account was clearly tagged as a confirmed sock; I would assume that's the account Hawkeye wanted to move forward with, until Yamla explained the request needed to come from this account, as opposed to an attempt at deception. To be honest, I would prefer the JudgeJake40 account be unblocked with a clear userpage link to this account should an unblock be granted; there was significant username concerns raised at one point due to the similarity to prolific contributor User:Hawkeye7.--Jezebel's Ponyo 16:46, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks for the clarification—yes, I remember the username issue, that would be a good idea. And anything with "Judge" in the title is always gonna be cool  ;) —SerialNumber54129 16:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• I am willing to copy this appeal to be discussed by the community at WP:AN, which I feel necessary since you have had multiple blocks that resulted from noticeboard reports. Per Ponyo's concerns, which I agree with, I would lay out as a condition for copying this over that you choose a new username and agree to be renamed if you are unblocked (which I think would be better to preserve the current block log than switching accounts.) If you can suggest a new username that is free (check here), ping me and I will copy your appeal to AN. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: My username suggestion is Sockeye75. Hawkeye75 (talk) 03:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Let's try again, and this time stay away from things that remotely resembles "keye7". I'm still willing to copy this to AN for you, but if the next message here isn't a serious rename suggestion, I'd be inclined to just decline the request above. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:38, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: Computer40 Hawkeye75 (talk) 04:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: I came to this page to ask this editor to change their signature to show their username per signature guidelines, only to find that you reminded them to do that 4 days ago. Apparently they didn't hear you, so perhaps you could repeat the reminder, louder this time. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:47, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure: do it or be blocked again. Renaming was part of the unblock conditions, I mentioned it in the unblock template, and it is necessary to avoid confusion. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Everything

@Oshwah: Yeah I just want everything removed, but please don't remove the previous edits in the rare case I get unblocked. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Please confirm: You would like your user page blanked? ~Oshwah~ 06:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Well if it's reversible, then yes. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:04, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

It just clears everything from the page. The history and all previous revisions are available to the public. ~Oshwah~ 06:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I wanted, I just don't want the thing that what happens to the edits with vandals or whatever where if they make an obscene edit summary, then it gets deleted or something. Anyhow, yes please go ahead. Hawkeye75 (talk) 06:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done. ~Oshwah~ 06:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Appeal at AN

See: . TonyBallioni (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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