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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Move logs: Adam's Bridge Discussions: RM, Adam's Bridge → Shree Ramsetu, No consensus, 22 January 2011, Talk:Adam's Bridge/Archive 3#Requested move RM, Adam's Bridge → Ram Setu, No consensus, 14 April 2012, Talk:Adam's Bridge/Archive 3#Edit request on 7 April 2012 RM, Adam's Bridge → Rama's Bridge, Not moved, 4 May 2012, Talk:Adam's Bridge/Archive 3#Requested_move_2 RM, Adam's Bridge → Rama's Bridge, Not moved, 23 August 2017, Talk:Adam's Bridge/Archive 4#Requested move 17 August 2017

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Article name should be renamed as "Rama Sethu Bridge"

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(1) Indian mythology says it was constructed by hindu god ram. The name Adam bridge misleads the history. (2) Rama Sethu bridge is NOT alias to Adam's bridge". It should be called as "Rama Sethu Bridge" ONLY.

I would request you to make the changes to the article. Jagadeesh44 (talk) 16:15, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. qwerty6811 :-) (talk) 16:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jagadeesh44:, if you wish to respond to Qwerty6811's statement, please read at least the three prior discussions about the name of this article on this page. The name of this article has been debated many, many times before and new demands for changing the name will not be accepted unless new arguments, supported by new sources, are presented. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Adams bridge name should be removed.. Aryavart02 (talk) 04:49, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

@Aryavart02:, If you are making a serious request to change the name of this article, please first read the policy on article names and then the previous name change discussions on this page and its archives (linked above). After reading and considering all that, if you still think you have a new argument to make or new sources that haven't been thoroughly discussed before, please start a new section on this page to present them. If, on the other hand, this is just personal conviction that the name is wrong according to your beliefs, the name will not be changed. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2018

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The title of the page should be "Ram Setu" instead of "Adam's Bridge". Thekshitijchopra (talk) 18:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Read through the replies to previous requests on this talk page and its archives. Favonian (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2018

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Kindly name it 'Ramasetu' (as the title) to show some generosity to the basic tenets of academic accuracy. The British named it Adam's Bridge, however, in India, it was for centuries called as Ramasetu. Kindly change the title and in the intro, please put 'Ramasetu, also called as Adam's Bridge...'.

This is indeed a very important issue and Misplaced Pages must acknowledge and respect it as a globally famous reading source. 202.155.242.126 (talk) 06:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• Please see the above discussions, this was requested multiple times but we go by the English WP:COMMONNAME since this is the English Misplaced Pages. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 14:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 24 July 2018

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Adam's Bridge → Ram Setu – Reading the previous page move discussions and all, it seems that the proposers didn't had idea about the correct WP:COMMONNAME. Time has also significantly changed throughout these years. When it comes to the usage in the majority of references, then "Ram Setu" is clearly more preferred per WP:COMMONNAME.

• Google:-

Adam's bridge = 1,05,000

Ram Setu = 4,76,000

• Nearly 5 times higher.

• Google News:-

Adam's bridge = 479

Ram Setu = 2,120

• 5 times higher and shows that reliable sources, media and the recent coverage prefers using "Ram Setu" more often.

As such, I support moving the current page to "Ram Setu". Lorstaking (talk) 03:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I support to change the name from Adam's bridge to Ram setu as it is common name. শক্তিশেল (talk) 04:08, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose for the moment. Google hits are a poor indicator of general use and common name. For one thing there are many mirrors and it's just not very reliable. What we do want to know is the most common name in English sources. This Google Ngram, which searches books, shows "Adam's Bridge" in some use, while Ram Setu and Rama Sethu don't show at all. No ref is perfect, but Google Ngram is better than just raw google hits. Next, we want to know what notable sources in English use, for instance the popular atlases. I don't have any handy right here, but let's crack open a few.

It's a tough question because, in India, Latin Alphabet text is in English. This contrasts with, for instance, Germany where most uses of a geographic name are in German and thus ignorable. So I dunno yet. But at this point, based on the Ngram, I would say no. Herostratus (talk) 06:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

We can say "Adam's Bridge", that such name has results only because sources are mirroring Misplaced Pages and if the name was "Ram Setu" then most of those sources would be using the name "Ram Setu", not Adam's Bridge. Accesscrawl (talk) 07:08, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean? The Google Ngram results are not Misplaced Pages mirror sites - the raw Google results on the other hand will contain a number of WP mirrors. Misplaced Pages mirrors are if course irrelevant to the discussion and any such search hits should be ignored if possible. --bonadea contributions talk 07:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support per WP:COMMONNAME and higher prevalence of sources. Capitals00 (talk) 07:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment would you explain what you mean by COMMONNAME if you aren't referring to sources when you refer to it, and justify both arguments? Doug Weller talk 07:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• In my comment I was giving weight to the results from Google News. What I see is the prevalence of sources in Google News provides a clue that which name is being used more often by the news and media sources. Capitals00 (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - On the English Misplaced Pages we go by the English common name (WP:COMMONNAME), however ridiculous. BTW, I get "About 5,120,000 results" for "Adam's bridge" vs "About 1,080,000 results" for "Ram Setu" using Google, so that is clearly subjective. —PaleoNeonate – 07:50, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• And majority of sources using English language prefer "Ram Setu". Have you checked Google news? Accesscrawl (talk) 08:01, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Qualified support I was open-minded to the thought of a page move for a long time but proposals were not convincing as also noticed by nom. While Google results may be different for some, Google News seems to confirm that "Ram Setu" is more common. Other than that, we need to see what reliable sources say about this:

The BBC report from 2007 writes: "Hindu activists say dredging the canal will damage the Ram Setu (or Lord Ram's bridge), sometimes also called Adam's Bridge." It tells that "Ram Setu" is a more common name. This same quote was also used by Wendy Doniger in her book The Hindus: An Alternative History.

Christophe Jaffrelot is a reliable source on the issue of this bridge. In his book Religion, Caste, and Politics in India, Jaffrelot has used the term "Ram Setu" dozens of times but he used "Adam's bridge" only two times and only when he was quoting someone else.

In literature, "Ram Setu" seems to be more commonly used while Adam's Bridge is an alternative term. --RaviC (talk) 09:13, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support Per nom and Ravi C . I agree with the statement that this is a English Misplaced Pages and hence should follow English Comman names but at the same time English Misplaced Pages or even English language in general is not restricted to Anglosphere , common terms can also come up from other part of the world. Ram Setu is clearly the most favorable term in the English language press. After having a careful look at all the arguments , I fully support this page move. Razer(talk) 09:26, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Google Scholar gives 558 hits for Adam's Bridge and 85 for Ram Setu, with 6 hits having both. Google books gives about 14,600 for Adam's Bridge and 1140 for Ram Setu - of both, 784 mention both, considerably more than have of those including Ram Setu. Google news gives me vastly different numbers than Lorstaking got but more of those mention Ram Setu. Just plain Google searches are worthless for this. As for Jaffrelot, he's French, right? Sure, his book is translated into English, but... Anyway, he's just one source. We're not looking for "the most reliable source uses" but what most reliable sources use. Doug Weller talk 10:03, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• But we are searching the more common use in modern sources than those that are over 200 years old. If you select search on Google books as 21st century, you would find 22 results  for "Ram's Bridge", 20 results for "Adam's Bridge", 20 results for "Rama Setu", 13 for "Ram Setu" and 11 for "Ramsetu". Google books results are mostly reprints of Misplaced Pages as you can find "LLC" as the publisher. Google scholars is not different, mostly repeating the chapters from 1800s. Since name more depends on the modern use, it seems that multiple names  are more common than "Adam's Bridge". As for the common name, we can't decide it as that would be WP:OR. BBC source concluded that Ram Setu is more common which is effectively backed by the sources on Google News which is definitely an authority on deciding what is the more commom name at this moment. Accesscrawl (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Google books results are mostly reprints of Misplaced Pages as you can find "LLC" as the publisher. I'm sorry, but that is wholly incorrect - why do you think that? Google books results are not reprints of Misplaced Pages articles and "LLC" is nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. Google scholars is not different, mostly repeating the chapters from 1800s. This is also not true. The majority of the Scholar hits are much more recent than that: 180 of the "Adam's Bridge" hits are from the 21st century, another 150 are from the span 1950-2000. (There are 35 hits for "Rama Setu" and 78 hits for "Ram Setu" in the 21st century Scholar hits, so even combined, there are fewer hits than for the English form of the name in scholarly articles from the last 18 years.) --bonadea contributions talk 11:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose yet again - go with the neutral and common name. The Sinhalese sources are not even consistent between Setu and Sethu. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Your source "commentisfree" is an opinion piece and not representative of its publisher. Read WP:SPS. We don't consider self-published opinion pieces as "neutral". Also, it doesn't dispute the fact that "Ram Setu" is a more common name. RaviC (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as "Adam's Bridge" is still the more common form in scholarly English-language sources. --bonadea contributions talk 11:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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