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Black Flag Defense has never acquitted IDF soldiers of the charge of "failing to obey orders"

I have attempted to edit this article, with the statement and cite "However, 50 years have passed since the Kafr Qasim massacre, and the "Black Flag Defense" has failed to protect any IDF serviceman from conviction for "refusing to obey orders" eg ".

The statement I added has been summararily deleted, with no attempt at any form of explanation or discussion. The words quoted come User:PalestineRemembered|PalestineRemembered]] 20:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Redwall

Come join. Project was started to get the cruft reduced to an encyclopedic list. - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Jayjg, thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was a robust 62/1/1, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any questions about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

reposted from WP:3RR notice board

(re: report of Isarig (talk · contribs) and posted here:

It's only an old case because I was blocked for 24 hours for revert warring. This is a problem with the process here -- when only one party in a revert war is blocked, it appears as an administrative endorsement of that side of the war.--csloat 22:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

ERM AfD

Vanity stub Ebionite Restoration Movement, now with original POV text, is up for 2nd AfD. Original deletion and two speedies have been reverted within the last 24 hrs. Ovadyah 01:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Some comments were left for you following the AfD on the creator's user page, see Deleted pages. It should be noted that this user has already received two npa3 warnings, here Good faith? and here meatpuppets. Ovadyah 20:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

New York Sun

Jayjg,

When you get a chance, could you take a look at the New York Sun article and let me know what you think? Thanks. Dasondas 01:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I had come across the article by accident and was quite taken aback by the apparently uncontested POV that characterizes the piece from start to finish. The fact that the POV exists doesn't surprise me at all; what got my attention was the fact that it managed to insinuate itself so completely into a relatively non-obscure (albeit not really mainstream) topic. I asked you because I wanted the opinion of someone with a lot of Wiki-experience to make sure the problem was with the article and not with my perception of it. Thank you for taking a look. Dasondas 14:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Amoruso and Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Could you take a look at what is going on between me and Amoruso at Israeli-Palestinian conflict (especially the talk page)? I'm calling on you precisely because no one can accuse you of being anti-Israeli, and you have plenty of experience with what is and is not appropriate in Misplaced Pages.

It seems to me that Amoruso's idea of "balance" is that right-wing, militantly pro-Israel links constitute one side and everything else constitutes the other. Israeli peace groups, according to him, qualify as "pro-Palestinian". I suppose that is true, in one sense, but it doesn't make them anti-Israeli.

Some of his additions have been good (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs Palestinian Violence and Terrorism) but he repeatedly tried to add or re-add http://www.masada2000.org/, which is out there in Kach/JDL territory, and recently http://www.naamz.org/, which doesn't seem to me to have much to do with the conflict: it's a staunch right-Zionist organization, but their site is (in my view) only barely on topic.

Anyway, I'd appreciate if you would take a look both at the current state of the article and at some of what's gone by; I'm beginning to lose patience with his attitude, so I had probably best get out of there for a while. - Jmabel | Talk 05:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - Jmabel | Talk 16:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

More, similar: Template talk:Israel-Palestinian Peace Process#Some questionably captioned links - Jmabel | Talk 05:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I-V relations

I've been traveling, had house guests, and have more travel pending. Thanks for letting me know: I'll catch up over there as soon as I get a breather. I've got a long list. Sandy 15:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Flex

Flex has now removed all criticism from Hugh Ross (creationist), despite you properly banning him.

211.114.56.130

May I inquire why you reverted his edit to my page? JoshuaZ 14:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

81.154.252.34

You sprotected the 99 Names of God article a couple days ago due to the actions of User:81.154.252.34. This editor, has gone around a couple other pages, changing cited material, and adding POV content, and removing germane info and links when it doesn't suit his purpose (all multiple times). He's already been blocked twice for 3RR and he doesn't seem to want to discuss changes. Is there anything that can be done. -- Jeff3000 16:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jeff3000 17:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, since your block, this user was blocked another 48 hours for 3RR on three different pages, and he doesn't seem to want to discuss his changes. He keeps just reverting the sourced information. Regards, -- Jeff3000 17:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Julius Broyne and Plantgerd

Socks of Karmafist? Wow, Konstable and I blocked them knowing full well they werent Tawkerbots as they claimed, but never saw that coming? Wonder why he targetted me? Ive never exchanged a word with the guy... oh well, very interesting! :) Glen 17:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal information

Thank you, really. This is a bit much for me to handle on my own, and this guy really has earned at least a fair vote. --InShaneee 20:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Subversive element is using a sockpuppet

Jayjg, fyi Dasondas 22:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I figured as much, yet something is better than nothing. With all the heavy lifting you do, the least I can do is try to pass along some useful information when I see it. Dasondas 16:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:TwoHorned

Requesting unblock citing 48 hours being excessive for 3RR. Let me know your thoughts. Glen 02:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I have replied to his request, here, thanks for the heads up Glen 14:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... can you explain this??? Glen 15:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Im just a little concerned - hopefully all our blocked users cant edit! Glen 15:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds

Hi Jay: What do you make of this Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds 2? Thanks. IZAK 09:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom election

If you have decided, I think potential candidates would be interested in knowing whether you intend to run for reelection in the upcoming ArbCom election. Regards, Newyorkbrad 22:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Suspected Bonaparte sock

Hey, could you do a check on Aromanian (talk · contribs)? He's definately a sockpuppet of somebody. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 00:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Also Ianos (talk · contribs). —Khoikhoi 17:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, it was because Bonny claimed here that he was him. He's done similar things before. Thanks for the congrats! Check your email. —Khoikhoi 06:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Ebionites article

We have an editor that's been ranting on the talk pages for over 3 months now Talk:Ebionites. What's the best way to proceed? This editor also left some comments for you on their user page following recent AfD. See ERM AfD above. Ovadyah 02:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain your comments and actions in the ERM AfD and how they do not seem to be supported by reality? What does wikipedia think when someone such as OvadYah with his POV comes to and votes to delete an artical he has been hostile towards for 3 months?NazireneMystic 23:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

A small sample of what we have been dealing with on an almost daily basis. Ovadyah 03:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, just one small sample and you can see on my talk page alchemy or what ever his name is even joined the main group to see it and knows first hand there are around 400 people in the main forum alone but in the deletion process flat out lied. I believe Misplaced Pages Policy does say something about having a biased toward an issue and voting in articles for deletion hearings. You are a favored Admin in wikipedia I see. Maybe you didn't know the extent Ovadyah and Alchemy has worked at trying to claim some reason why that one group should be listed and not ours. side by side we proved each notability issue that was raised and more so then the other group and once it was clear even to Ovdyah then the groups were dropped from the article and the subs were made, Of which ours was voted for deletion by two editors that has tried every thing possible to keep both groups from being judged side by side on the notability issue. Are you going to be the first Honorable Wikipedian in this prossess? Doesn't matter to me really. It is worth noting while some editors claim I attack them when I only point TO the wikilawyering that was done, no one stooped as low as to carry a bias into the deletion hearing and enter a vote on the other group. No one is attacking them.NazireneMystic 03:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

A larger sample. Jay, please give this user an admin warning to refrain from further personal attacks. Ovadyah 13:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, Jay. I'll continue to work toward a creative solution. Ovadyah 17:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias

Hey Jayjg, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 05:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, please check your email. —Khoikhoi 05:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Lieberman

Jay, I'm traveling, and am on an *excruciatingly* slow dialup connection. I saw you in the edit history, so I was hoping you could look into Joe Lieberman. The POV language in this edit is not supported by the source given. I have two questions, and a connection too slow to track down the answers. 1) If I come across something like this on a BLP, can I just revert it on sight (it's not particulary defamatory, just wrong and POV), or do I need to invest the time to read the source and rewrite the text to conform to the source (I can't do that on this trip, don't have time, connection too slow, and don't really know if that's my "job", or if I can just remove the misleading text per BLP)?? 2) The editor's contribs show it's likely the same POV text was entered on many other articles, but on this slow connection it's hard for me to track them all down. Should they all be reverted, even if not on BLPs? I can't track them all down from this slow connection. Sandy (Talk) 02:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at that, Jay. On this slow dialup, it's not possible for me to check the other articles on the editors's contrib history: it took me 45 minutes this morning to do WP:FAR notifications on two articles only, so I'll have to look at the rest when I'm on a better connection next week. Sandy (Talk) 16:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Where do you find

the explicit calling for the destruction of Israel in Hamas charter. I'm not saying they would not love to destroy it, but still the word destruction can't be found anywhere in the charter. Habitual gardner 10:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Looks like you didn't really read the charter. Any way, probably the scariest statement in the charter is "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it". Which is by the way not part of the charter if you read it fully. If you read the charter, and fortunately it isnot that long, and you find other statements where "destruction" is understood let me know. I just find a statement like "Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel" absurdly unscientific and biased in a funny way. :) Habitual gardner 04:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Censorship of votes on the Military Commissions Act of 2006

Think a second before you embark on this censorship, OK? You are deleting it from entries in which there is a comprehensive account of other votes, including votes on torture. This vote marks a change. I have added the copy on this habeas corpus/torture vote to Senators who previously co-sponsored the McCain Detainee Amendment, and to Democrats who voted against party lines to support the President's bill. In other words, to mark a change of policy and rhetoric in each case. To delete it is censorship and willful vandalism, and yes, I know my NPOV. Sandover 16:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Why do you think the Military Commissions Act of 2006 is not a noteworthy vote? Why are you ignoring the citations and news articles? Why do you think the Senators who voted for it should not have it in their bios, even those who reversed previous positions? Why are you censoring this? Sandover 16:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

I do not believe I am engaging in a campaign of wikistalking and I will work to avoid the appearance of such a thing in the future. I apologize. --Ben 16:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Isarig 3RR

Now Isarig has four reverts in 24 hours and ten minutes. Are you saying this behavior is perfectly acceptable?--csloat 17:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Any chance you will respond to this question?--csloat 02:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom election query

In response to your question on my talk whether people are really wondering whether you (and others) are running again this year or not ... so far I've seen two people ask who's running or not (one on the elections page and one I forget where). Other than that, I wouldn't say there's a major groundswell of inquiring minds asking the question ... but the page for candidates to post their position statements is open (no one's posted yet as of the last time I checked) and they're due at the end of next month, so sometime soon you're going to get more inquiries. Regards, Newyorkbrad 19:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I, for one, am curious now. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 02:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Thank you

Sure thing! Your report enabled a collaboration among admins and editors to determine a good plan of action, and you also set a great example for other admins to seek advice when directly involved or impacted in such an incident. Cheers mate! hoopydink 20:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Kosher tax

I note that you are making changes to the "kosher tax" article by making a derisive reference to "original research." I assure you that I engaged in no original research of any kind whatsoever in any of my contributions to the article.

This is an article about a manifestation of antisemitism. An encyclopedia requires a comprehensive approach to the topic that it explains. I also note that there are some users, in unsigned contributions, engaging in the same kind of antisemitic tirade that the article attempts to address.

Accordingly, a full explanation of what is meant by “kosher,” how kosher certification is obtained, and the business, economic, and marketing aspects of kosher certification are necessary for a comprehensive and encyclopedic description of this antisemitic phenomenon.

My contributions in that respect use nomenclature common to business, managerial accounting, financial analysis, financial accounting, and economics. Your reference to “original research” indicates to me that you are unfamiliar with this terminology.

I am a professional accountant with an undergraduate degree in Jewish history (wherein I took an interest in the history of antisemitism); accordingly, I believe my contributions should not be dismissed without discussion on the article’s talk page.--Lance 21:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Please be specific in respect of your allegations of "original research" on the article's talk/discussion page. Please do not amend the article until you have indeed established that there is any "original research"; preferably on the talk/discussion page.--Lance 16:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

My RFA!

Jayjg, thank you so much for your support for my RfA. I passed with a vote tally of 61/0/1. I am honored that the consensus was to allow me the added privilege of the admin mop. I appreciate your support on my RFA! --plange 15:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Proposed decision#John Reid is banned for one week

Thanks for changing your mind. Don't know if there is enough time for others to also agree that it would no longer be a preventative measure, but even if it's only a gesture, it's the right thing to do, and appreciated. AnonEMouse 19:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Isarig gaming 3RR

Thanks for your acknowledgement of my question above. I'm not sure I understand your answer though; more importantly, I don't know what to do about this situation. Can you as an admin offer any guidance? I showed you that Isarig made 4 reverts in 24 hours and ten minutes. You say that is more objectionable than doing it in 25 hours. The problem is that he does this day after day. When I reported him for 4 reverts in 25 hours, you said there was no violation, and you said that 24 hours and 5 minutes would be more of an issue. Then he does it in 24 hours and ten minutes, presumably feeling that he has a license to do so since it will not draw any objection from an admin. Today he has made another three reverts on the same page. Do wikipedia administrators consider the 24 hour mark a magic cutoff of some sort? The page on WP:3RR states clearly that "This does not imply that reverting three times or fewer is acceptable. Users may be blocked for edit warring or disruption even if they do not revert more than three times per day." I am not even asking that he be blocked. I am asking whether there is any way to discourage users from using reverts alone to solve their disputes. It is frustrating when arguing with Isarig because I tend to bend over backwards to compromise with him (often to the detriment of the page) but he never gives an inch and only responds by reverting, though he is mostly careful to stay exactly within the 24 hour limit. I must add that I do not have a current dispute with this user - I don't particularly disagree with his position on the page where he is revert warring; I just find his steamroller approach to reverting disconcerting and aggravating.--csloat 22:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry for using your Talkpage for this, Jay. csloat, if you want some guidance, let me offer some. (1) Start making your case based on facts, not hyperbole and exaggeration. A simple inspection of my contributions today shows there is not a single page on which I have made 3 edits. (2) The way to discourage users from using reverts alone is to use their Talk pages, and the article's Talk page. The reason you do not have a current dispute with me is that we have reached an agreement through discussion on the Talk page. You wanted a certain Cole response on the Karsh page, I did not like that response, we engaged in a discussion on Talk during which you suggested we remove the entire disputed section, and I agreed with that suggestion. Notice what happened there: (a) you did not "bend over backwards to compromise" - you made a suggestion, which I accepted. (b) I did not "never gives an inch and only responds by reverting" - I accepted a compromise solution which saw my favored version (which included more of Karsh, less of Cole) removed completely (c) We reached this position through discussion on Talk. (a), (b) and (c) are all in contarst to the allegatiosn you were making above, when you were engaged in hyperbole and exaggeration. Do you really want to end this edit war at the Karsh page and the Neo-Fasiscm page? I suggest you go to Will314159's user page and to Nielswik's user page, and show them what you and I accomplsihed through the use of Talk, and beg them to start doing the same. Isarig 00:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Isarig, but I was asking for guidance from someone other than the editor I am having a problem with. Your claim #1 is typical of your gaming of the rules - what I clearly meant was that you made three reverts in 24 hours on one page, which is easy to verify. #2 On the Karsh page you took a profoundly unreasonable position and when I offered an easy way out you took it. I am ok with that page but I am not ok with your constant reverts, and I am not ok with the way you argue with me on any page. The only reason you accepted a compromise on Karsh is because your position was ridiculous - you say it was "more of Karsh and less of Cole" but a more accurate characterization is "personal attack on Cole by Karsh and censorship of Cole's explicit response to that attack." You wanted to erase Cole's specific response to a specific claim. We went back and forth on this with you not giving an inch until I suggested we just remove everything to do with the dispute between the two of them. Other people seem to think the dispute between the two is important; rather than discuss the merits, you simply state that the fact that you accepted a compromise that I offered vindicates your view of how the page should look. I don't know anything about the other pages you are talking about; I have observed your objectionable behavior mostly on the Cole pages. And my suggestion is that instead of revert warring with everyone you disagree with that you instead try to see things from various perspectives and engage in talk communicatively rather than strategically. We should be using talk to discuss issues with a goal of reaching a better and more truthful understanding of the issues involved; not simply trying to "win one" no matter what it takes.--csloat 00:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Subversive Element/87.78.158.95's Advocacy request to my Talk page

I'm considering taking this case. From what I understand about it currently, you permanently blocked this user for reasons that have to do with spurious interventions to an RfA vote User_talk:Subversive_element#Blocked_again.2C_permanently. I've looked over the interventions and while they seem to me insane I think the poster may have been just playing around with the RfA process rather than disrupting WP overtly. However, he does seem to have a more problematic history, and apparantly this the second time this user has been blocked for some reason. As of now I don't have the full context of this case and would appreciate being informed of your side of the situation. Best,--Amerique 22:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your detailed explaination, I've declined the case. While your interventions here do seem to have been made without process, they do not seem to have been made without cause.--Amerique 22:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Kosher tax

That's OK, it was only about an hours work. /sigh. I'll get to it another day then. The edit conflict killed the remaining ones anyway. /shrug Adding more cites is more important than how they look anyway I have this frustration on Circumcision all of the time; don't worry about it -- Avi 00:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

one more "harassment"

I replied to you on Ameriques talk page. User:Subversive_element, editing from IP address: 84.44.172.138 10:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

In other words: You have nothing to fear. I wish you a happy live. 84.44.170.228 01:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd appreciate it if you placed the block template on my user page, whenever you can find the time. Thanks. 84.44.175.12 12:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Email

FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 12:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Block

Hi,

I just went to edit a page, only to be met with the message:

"Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Jayjg for the following reason (see our blocking policy): open proxy

Your IP address is 203.146.247.78."

That's not an open proxy. The IP belongs to CS Loxinfo, one of the biggest internet providers in Thailand. The IP is used by countless users.

This is no great inconvenience to me (I have other options, obviously, since I'm editing this) but it could inconvenience a lot of people. Unless it's a short term block for vandalism, I would advise against blocking that IP. TheMadBaron 15:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Am I sure it's not a proxy as well? No, I'm afraid that I don't understand enough about these things to be entirely sure of that. Regardless, unless it's actively being used for vandalism, I don't think it should be blocked for any amount of time, as it could block thousands of potential legitimate Thailand based users. TheMadBaron 15:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Semicolon is your friend

Hi,

I noticed that you said on Talk:Kosher tax, "The semicolon is your friend, don't be afraid to use it."

I am not a fan of the semicolon in prose. I usually am happier to just put a period there and create two sentences. So, I'm curious what you meant by your comment and would appreciate it if you could give me some examples of situations where you think a semicolon is valuable.

Thanks.

--Richard 19:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Bhoustan

Jay, would you mind seeing my talk page. I've got an accusation of Zionist conspiracy against us both from this user based on my RV on the Israeli Apartheid page. Cheers. Evolver of Borg 02:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Apartheid

(i)There was no reason for Avraham to contact me on my page, (ii) my interest in that article has absolutely nothing to do with SlimVirgin (iii) there is a group of pro Israeli editors which must be balanced by a group of non pro Israeli editors. Regards Arniep 18:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You and SlimVirgin are the people making this a political battleground by intimidating and harrassing any editor who expresses any criticism of Israel whilst making sure articles relating to Israel and the Palestinians have a pro Israeli outlook. Perhaps you'd like to tell me why you are the only member of the Arbitration Committee to have not revealed their identity? Arniep 20:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not framing it is as a political battleground. The problem is you and other very pro Israel editors instantly leap on any edit you consider to put Israel in a bad light. As long as that is the case this website can not be considered neutral. Arniep 21:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I have no power or at least very little power here. You are the equivalent of a senior editor. What would the public say about a publication that has secret senior editors? Oh and your first userpage quite clearly reveals that the reason you came to Misplaced Pages was to remove the bias, as you saw it, against Israel. Arniep 21:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I see you don't deny that you came to Misplaced Pages for the express purpose of correcting "bias" against Israel. So you, in fact, treated Misplaced Pages as a political battleground? Arniep 15:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte?

I suspect that Dc76 (talk · contribs) is a dormant one from Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Bonaparte. Khoikhoi says that you are good at figuring him out. The same pattern of brainless chaotic edits, superficial rearrangements of texts, monor changes in articles with no clue, anti-Moldovan attacks and personal attacks, toned down, probably not to attract attention. E.g. his major work Northern Maramureş leaves an illusion of authenticity until you read it carefully and understand that it is not about what is in the title. The overall history of his Bonaparte's edits under various names leaves an impression of mentally ill person (I don't mean his personal attacks, but the overall style of edits leaving a certain aura diffcult to describe). `'mikkanarxi 02:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I saw you left a message on user Mikkalai's page, who has been attacking me in the last 24 hours.

I am not Bonaparte. If an official administrator can do with respecting privacy, I can give my real-life name and address. (E.g. give me an email address, and I will email you.) But, on the same token, I would like to ask the same verification to be performed for Mikkalai.

I demand action with respect to the following sentence by user Mikkalai:

The overall history of his edits under various names leaves an impression of mentally ill person

I have never called anyone names and have never characterised anyone, even when in dispute. In real life I would ask Mikkalai to say again the same comment, to confirm that he stands by it, and then I would call the police. Is it possible to do anything about Mikkalai's agressivenes and language? I asked him repeatedly to talk about the articles, but he never replied to me. Instead he has experience and can follow me. I appeal for protection from Mikkalai.:Dc76 19:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was referrintg to overall history of user:bonaparte. Since you claim that you did not edit under variuos names, you don't have to call police. If you are not user:Bonaparte, I strongly suggest you to start from smaller contributions, not completely reshuffling relatively good articles, supply your additions with reputable and verifiable references, and we will talk. `'mikkanarxi 20:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah

I saw you moved the TotallyDisputed template - thanks, I did not take the time to step back and realize that it was that particular section that bugged me. KazakhPol 22:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Homey

Homey is not banned. Fred Bauder 00:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what his exact status is. I just wish he would stay away from hot button stuff. Fred Bauder 00:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Giano RfAr and John Reid

Thank you for your follow-up and reconsideration of your position on the proposed ban of User:John Reid in the so-called Giano arbitration. The wording of your proposal is not exactly how I would have phrased it, but the point is made. I know this was a judgment call and appreciate your willingness to consider the matter afresh. I also hope that some of the workshop or talkpage discussion might have been of help to you in resolving a very complicated situation. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Allegations of Israeli Apartheid

Jay,

Is protection really the best way to stabilize things over there? The article has been locked into a state that is simultaneously poorly-written/organized and POV -- not very encyclopedic. Locking it into that state doesn't appear to be a very good fix, unless the probability is that things would worsen with further edits. Would you support unprotection? Dasondas 13:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh my, where to begin? In general I agree with the criticism that the laundry list of people to whom the concept or phrase has been attributed is too long and is ineffectual, no matter which "side" you might be on. If we try to imagine a hypothetical non-politicized reader coming to the article to actually learn something, I can't believe that he or she would be happy with having to wade through that biographical swamp to search for content further down. Furthermore, it is patently POV to have the list of "apartheid affirmers" entirely presented in a more prominent location than the "apartheid deniers"; there needs to be a more organic approach to the whole issue of quotes and cites that a) doesn't present like an endless power-point slide and b)is NPOV.

Another problem is OR; almost the entirety of the "Issues" section, both "for" and "against" is made up of synthesized arguments in violation of WP:NOR. You could make a case for just deleting it lock, stock and barrel (It reminds me of UN242 where general principles of international law have been brought to bear on a specific case for which there is no -- or very, very little -- citable material). This is a case where there is no baby, only bath water. Throw it out.

Finally, sources. As tempting as it is for some of us to want to tie these arguments to organizations like JewWatch and the Institute for Historical Review, these are not Wiki-appropriate sources and should be removed from the article. They wouldn't be acceptable in other contexts, and I don't believe they belong here either. David Duke's views, on the other hand are citable and there is no reason to isolate him from the others by pinning a political label on his POV -- and, in any event, calling him an element of the "far right" is absurdly inaccurate. Many people believe that, aside from skin color and a Nobel prize, there is precious little difference between David Duke and Desmond Tutu -- for purposes of this article they should be seated at the same table and the reader can make whatever distinctions he or she wants. I also found at least one dead link for a source, and others that can't be verified. The footnote for the prominently-placed Economist source, for example, links to the Misplaced Pages page for the magazine. This needs to be fixed or gone. This entire following section is also interesting: According to Leila Farsakh, after 1977, "he military government in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (WBGS) expropriated and enclosed Palestinian land and allowed the transfer of Israeli settlers to the occupied territories: they continued to be governed by Israeli laws. The government also enacted different military laws and decrees to regulate the civilian, economic and legal affairs of Palestinian inhabitants. These strangled the Palestinian economy and increased its dependence and integration into Israel ..." Many view these Israeli policies of territorial integration and societal separation as apartheid, even if they were never given such a name." You'll note that there is a missing set of quotes (e.g. three sets of quotes to bracket two separate quotations), and indeed I don't believe that the last sentence of this extract appears anywhere in the article. If not, it is OR and the sentence needs to go. (Note, though, as per my comment above, the whole thing should probably be gone anyway.) The Farsakh article itself, IMO, gives more to work with to the "anti-allegation" folks than the "pro-allegation" folks, so that might be an area that an ambitious editor could exploit to benefit. I suspect that this isn't the only problem of mis-quoted or mis-represented cites either.

Anyhow, Jay, I'll stop here because it's more than enough for now. I don't think this article is unsalvageable, but bringing it up to a reasonable standard will be a struggle -- and a particularly unfortunate one at that because at the end of the day the article itself shouldn't even be in the encyclopedia. Dasondas 23:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE -- The Farsakh reference does actually contain the quote I questioned. I didn't find it at first because the source has a typo which confused my text search. Smallish point, but if we lose clarity we've lost everything -- hence the correction here. Dasondas 06:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Kane Street Synagogue Photo

Jay,

I am the photographer who took the photo you uploaded for the Kane Street Synagogue article. I appreciate your including it but Misplaced Pages did notify you that "To the uploader: this tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use. You must also include the source of the work, all available copyright information".

Your response that "I am claiming fair use because the image has no commercial value, there is no free-license equivalent, and it is being used to illustrate the subject. It is taken from the synagogue's website" is partially incorrect.The image most certainly does have commercial value and credit is given to me as the photographer on the synagogue's website.

I'm surprised, frankly, that you didn't bother to contact me to ask permission to use the image, which would have been immediately granted. Clicking on my credit line on the Kane Street website would have taken you right to my website where all contact information is posted. It would have taken you about the same time that it took you to respond to Misplaced Pages's notice to you regarding your posting of the photo.

I am more than happy to allow this photo to be used for your Misplaced Pages contribution, but, as Misplaced Pages stated, copyright information is required. Can you please place "© Hank Gans" under the photo? I wouldn't mind if my name was used as a link to my website, www.hankgans.com, but it's not mandatory.

I hope you won't pull the photo from your article but allow it to remain with proper credit. Pulling this message to you, however, off your talk page, will be completely understood. I would have emailed you, rather than posting here, if I could have found an email address for you.

Thank you for your understanding.

Hanknj1 15:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Jay,

I have no problem with the Creative Commons Attriution License. Please restore the photo to the article with attribution. Can you make my name a live link to my website, www.hankgans.com? Thanks, much.

Hanknj1 02:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Another Bonaparte sock

Hey, I just blocked "Trudelstein" as an obvious sock of Bonaparte. Perhaps you could do a check to confirm this however. Thanks! Khoikhoi 18:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no need to confirm that this is Bonny because it is mobvious. But could you please check whether this is just Bonny himself, or also a Bonny through an open proxy. In a latter case, please ban whatever IP it is in addition to the user.

Newbies will soon have a difficulty finding a username since this fellow uses up so many. --Irpen 18:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

(removed comments by banned user) Khoikhoi 22:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't share your fatalism and conspiracy theory, 148.233.159.57. If you care, you would help me defend from Makkalai's attack, instead of talking fatalist nonsense.

Is Mikka and Mikkalai the same person? Yes, perhaps he is an anti-romanian, he states so on his user page, at least. But his main deficiency is he is rude, agressive and intolerant. He is a bad person, judging by his actions. I don't care his nation. He is a shame for his nation.

Is Khoi and Khoikhoi the same person? He is a Hungarian Jew from Romania, and his name is Putnam, so what? I don't care. Maybe he is a Black Chinese from Germany, and his name is bin Laden. I don't care. This doesn't make him bad. Judge his actions, not his nation!

The biggest conspiracy, and the only one, is in the eye of the beholder. The best Makkalai can do is vandalize. Vandals do not have the guts to conspire, because conspiration requires intelligence, and an intelligent person would never behave like a vandal. An intelligent person always has other means.

Civilized people organize to defend against vandalism, not spread fatalist messages. It is because of rumors spread by your way of thought, that Securitate survived. If you are affraid, get lost. Not everyone has lost verticality, even during the worst of Securitate's persecutions.

I will not be banned, because there is no way I would vandalize. And even if, as you maybe think, the whole Misplaced Pages is a conspiracy, it abides by laws! You come from a nation which has 2500 years of history (Roman republic, empire, bizantine, etc) were the main value was the rule of law, you must know from your birth that evrything evil is sooner or later undone. Don't you know it by now? :Dc76 19:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

(removed again) Khoikhoi 22:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I repeat again for everyone: this is my fisrt account.

Please, sign your comment. If you like using certain words, please sign!

I am located in northern europe.:Dc76 22:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on the "Personnal attack report page"

Thank you for your time in reading my report on the PA report page. You commented:

rm Mikkalai, no personal attacks shown, other problems must go through dispute resolution

I am a relatively new user, and have previously editted irregularly without a username. I never engaged in any edit wars. My contributions were to gather sourses on some subject, write a summary of the respective information, and put it on Misplaced Pages, in the idea that good-faith users would check through, and improve it. I never started an article before september 2006, but have expanded, sometimes substantially, existing stubs.

Once every 4-6 months I would randomly check the pages I previously editted. In about 60-80% of cases I was very pleased to discover that someone took pain to read through and correct grammar, double check the sourses, and add more very useful stuff. I felt proud to be part of such a community. In about 10-30% the edits were itchy, i.e. piecies of information were erased, sometimes in quite a biased way. But the core of my original contribution was still present. 5-10% of my edits were vandalized, but there was nothing I could do about it.

In September I thought about starting articles myself, and uploading pictures, files. I engaged in some discussions about some subjects with several users. Most of them are neutral. A good 1/4 are strongly biased, but agree to compromises if presented in a way more acceptable to them. And none of them ever, before user:Mikkalai, engaded in personl attacks.

From reading the history of the last 48 hours I understand that this user was in some edit wars with some other user Bonaparte, who was banned. Apparently Mikkalai thought I am his arch enemy Bonaparte. He targetted all the pages I contributted to in the last days, and revertted everything, including substantial contributions by other users. I asked him kindly several times to explain his actions. There was no answer on any page. I was in the imposibility to edit anything because of Makkalai. He also threatened me to ban me from Misplaced Pages. He does not motivate his actions, and he does not discuss anything. He just reverts my pages. Mine, not someone's else, regardless of their content. He reverted even spelling mistakes!

He was targetting me personally.So I asked for administrators' protection from personal attacks from Mikkalai.

I would have expected Mikkalai to appologize and become constructive, but obviously it is not the case. From your answer, I understand that I should revert the vandalism done by Mikkalai. What if this infuriates Mikkalai more? What should I do if he continues to revert all my edits? Should I become more agressive too, is that what you are suggesting?

Of course, if Mikkalai will not revert again, the issue would be closed. But how far can I go if he continues to target pages editted by me? I hope you will not suggest me to engage in all-out war with Mikkalai, I hate wars! I would appreciate if you would answer :Dc76 17:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I was in no way suggesting you simply revert other users, what I suggested is that you review our page on dispute resolution and use the methods listed there to resolve your dispute. Shell 18:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

How about the main issue, the fact that fact that he targets me? Is it possible to ask him not to do this anymore? He does not listen to me, he just erases all my comments and questions. Can you kindly ask him not to target me? I would really appreciate if you could do so.

As for the articles, he did not revert my work only, but other people's as well, only that other users are affected on one article only, while me - on all I edit. I do not ask for support in reverting other people's work. That would be vandalism from my side to do and from your side to support me. And I am talking about the set os users composed of only one user: Mikkalai. I have tried steps 1, 2, 3. Still in 3, and looking for help from someone who can guide me through 4: 1 Avoidance 2 First step: Talk to the other parties involved 3 Second step: Disengage for a while 4 Further dispute resolution 4.1 Informal mediation 4.2 Discuss with third parties 4.3 Conduct a survey 4.4 Mediation 5 Last resort: Arbitration 6 Requesting an Advocate (at any time) thank you.:Dc76 18:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Banned user talk pages

SlimVirgin wrote:

Fon, are you Gurch? I was wondering about the wisdom of deleting talk pages of banned users. It can be quite helpful to read talk page posts of sockpuppets if they turn up again in another guise. SlimVirgin 21:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Raul654 wrote:

I just came here to point out the same thing. Please desist from deleting users whom I tag as sockpuppets. Raul654 00:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry if this has caused any problems; you are of course free to reverse any deletions you think were inappropriate. My intention is not to delete all banned user talkpages, or all sockpuppet pages. I'll try to explain my rationale. The bulk of these userpages are simply being removed from Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages; a category that was set up about a month ago and into which all new pages with {{indefblockeduser}} or similar templates are placed. The idea is that once these pages have gone a month without being edited, they are to be removed. The month-long delay gives the blocked user plenty of time to make an unblock request, or otherwise contest the block before the pages are removed. Usually, the userpage will consist only of {{indefblockeduser}}, and the talkpage will have something like a username block message or a series of vandalism warnings. Since the category is relatively new, there are a large number of similar pages that are not in the category because {{indefblockeduser}} has been substituted on to them; I have also been deleting these (if they have not been edited in over a month). I'm sure you'll agree that there is little point in having pages like these; I should clarify that the original idea was not mine (the category is the end result of a series of CfDs and other changes none of which I participated in) – it has just fallen to me to do the actual deletions.

I do, however, understand the problems caused by deleting certain banned user and sockpuppet accounts, and I appreciate the need for these to stay. The pages of banned users (as opposed to merely blocked users) shouldn't be in the temporary userpages category, nor should sockpuppet accounts blocked for being sockpuppets (as opposed to username or vandalism blocks). I have taken extra care not to delete any banned users' pages, so if one or two have slipped through, I apologize. I have ignored sockpuppet pages in most cases – again, it is certainly not my intention to delete them all. However, I have deleted these in some cases – when the page's title is not only inappropriate but extremely offensive; this includes violent personal attacks against specific contributors, anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi sentiments, and other excessive uses of profanity. Most of these are blocked for inappropriate username but some are tagged as sockpuppets. I refuse to believe that there is any valid reason for retaining pages titled, for example, "User:I'm in ur germany, gassing ur jews", no matter what they have done or what the admininstrative need may be. These usernames, sockpuppet or not, were created purely for the purposes of getting attention.

If I have deleted talk pages of banned users (those prohibited from editing under any account by an ArbCom ruling or Jimbo) then this was a mistake; it was certainly not my intention, and feel free to reverse it immediately. If I have deleted sockpuppet pages which contain useful information and do not have an offensive page title as described above, then once again I apologize; these must have slipped through the net. The material on most of these pages seemed to be limited to witty {{unblock}} requests or simply a block message, however if there is more than just that, it negates my argument that the page is pointless – Gurch 03:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

SlimVirgin wrote:

Hi, thanks for your note. I don't see how we can easily reverse the deletions given there are so many; and we may not necessarily remember all the names and know which ones to restore anyway. The thing is that, in order to spot sockpuppet patterns, we do need to keep track of all the accounts that have been used. That's why they're tagged. This applies to blocked and banned users alike. Apparently some Zephram Stark sockpuppet pages have been deleted and now have been lost track of. I don't know what a temporary user page category is, or who would have tagged them as such. Are you deleting user and talk pages? SlimVirgin 05:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg wrote:

Gurch, did you not see my comment before from the 18th? You continue to delete user pages of users tagged as sockpuppets; in fact, one user page you've deleted twice already: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&page=User:Sappho_of_the_Far_Hemisphere Tracking sockpuppets is an important way Misplaced Pages deals with problem editors; please do not delete any more pages listed as sockpuppets, and please restore any others you have already deleted. Thanks. Jayjg 05:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi all. SlimVirgin, I wasn't suggesting you reversed all the deletions; merely the one or two that you have presumably noticed me deleting in error – as I said previously, my intention is not to delete all sockpuppets and the vast majority of the pages I deleted are not sockpuppets at all. I've decided to pick out and restore the incorrectly deleted pages myself, so don't worry about that. I also don't follow your argument that you need to keep track of all accounts, whether blocked or banned. Most blocked user accounts – tens of thousands – are either one-time vandalism accounts or accounts with deliberately offensive usernames. While some of these may have been created by the same person, I still don't see the need to retain all the pages; if another account appears that is only being used for vandalism, or has an unacceptable nane, it is obvious that it needs to be indefinitely blocked and that is what will happen – who the account happens to belong to is irrelevant. I do understand the need to keep the usernames of sockpuppets in cases where (a) their edits are not obvious vandalism, and (b) the username does not violate username policy – because in these cases, it will be necessary to look at edits from previous accounts to determine whether a block is necessary. Although I'm not entirely sure why that entails keeping a userpage for each user, rather than simply listing the names somewhere. (Why not archive them at Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets or Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse, for example?)

Again, I did not intend to delete any sockpuppets that didn't have unacceptable names, but it would seem that some have been deleted anyway, for which I apologize. The temporary userpage category is Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages, into which all pages with {{indefblockeduser}} are placed. As I said before, the creation of this category and the steps leading up to it were nothing to do with me; I am simply following the instructions on the page and deleting those not edited within the last month. I have also deleted some pages not in that category, some with names that violate the username policy, some with a subst-ed old version of {{indefblockeduser}} which doesn't contain the category, and I accept full responsibility for these.

I will continue to delete userpages for which I think deletion is appropriate; however I accept that a few of my deletions were out of place. I understand Jayjg's argument and apologize for deleting the same page twice. I did read Jayjg's first comment and I thought I'd replied to it; evidently it slipped my mind.

Per your various requests, I will review the deletions (all 20,000 of them) and pick out the problem ones. I'll restore any user/talk page pairs that are tagged as sockpuppets, unless they have unacceptable usernames that are actually offensive. (As I stated before, I refuse to believe there is any need to retain a page with a name like "User:I'm in ur germany, gassing ur jews", no matter what). I don't quite understand the need to tag accounts that have done only blatant vandalism as sockpuppets, as they would be indefblocked even if they weren't sockpuppets, but as there seems to be a demand for them I will restore them anyway. I hope this is an acceptable compromise – Gurch 06:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Banned or blocked?

How about edits like this? Btw: Am I blocked or banned? And does indef. blocked mean that I am effectively blocked/banned from editing Misplaced Pages forever? 87.78.189.168 13:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Come on, can't you at least for once give a simple reply, without me going elsewhere first? 84.44.172.71 09:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

See

this. KillerChihuahua 20:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah

69.140.101.199 undid your reversion on Muhammad al-Durrah. KazakhPol 21:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not revert his edits because I do not wish to get involved in this particular dispute. If a third opinion is needed, I am happy to provide one. I have commented on the 69.140.101.199's talkpage. I suggested he comment on the article's talkpage or contact you and view the WP:OR policy since you raised the subject in your edit summary. I think you may want to talk to comment on his/her talkpage or I predict they will revert again. Regards, KazakhPol 02:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I object to your attacks on me "I understand you feel a need to promote certain POVs on Misplaced Pages", and especially "You're interested in inserting POV regardless of how poorly written, policy-violating, and non-encyclopedic it is.", and would like an apology (just for these, I understand we may disagree about everything else). —Ashley Y 22:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

RfC

Would you please comment on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Muhammad#Request_for_Comment

Cheers, Str1977 11:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

inappropriate username?

Maybe I'm just inventing things, but without too much imagination, User:Neigerig seems like a pretty offensive and inappropriate username. Whether it's intended to say what I think it is (it does have another non-offensive meaning, but I'm not sure how many people are aware of it on en:wp...)... Tomer 14:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I haven't asked him anything at all. I was just curious whether or not anyone besides me thought there might be something inappropriate about it, before I go ruffling his feathern. Tomer 00:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's just German dialect (Austrian? South Tirol, maybe?) for neugierig, meaning "curious, inquisitive". (When I was a lad in Bayern, a common phrase was Sei nicht so neugierig, which has about the same meaning as "Curiousity killed the cat" -- i.e., "don't be so nosy". So this one kinda jumped out at me.) --jpgordon 15:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

That's correct Gordon. -- Szvest 15:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, certainly "neugierig = curious" is correct; the only guessing I'm doing is that "neigerig" is Bairisch for "neugierig". --jpgordon 16:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Tourism apartheid

INHO, that hardly means it belongs in the lead. But I have gotten enough limbs stuck in the apartheid tarbaby, so have it how you like. -- Kendrick7 22:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The Vandalism of Talmud

It scares me thinking that was there for six days and no one was the wiser. :| Kari Hazzard (T | C) 22:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

At least we'll be aware of it before it happens. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 23:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

User:12.65.54.115

I think it's highly likely this is another Zorkfan sock per similar IP and Special:Contributions/12.65.54.115. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 00:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello.

I recently received a message warning me to desist deleting information from Misplaced Pages articles.

Granted, I believe I have done so on a few occasions, but I am reasonably certain that most of these occasions related to grammar. Might I see a list of the changes I have made to pages?

Question

Did you ever get my email? Khoikhoi 02:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've re-sent it. BTW, could you do a check on AGNLDM (talk · contribs) (possibly Bonaparte). Thanks, Khoikhoi 06:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Page protection

Thanks for protectign Casualties of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. A similar protection my be required at 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict over this same issue of Hezbollah casualties. Isarig 22:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Your opinion, Dungeons and Dragons

What is your opinion of Dungeons and Dragons cruft (if you'll forgive me for poisoning the well)? IronDuke 03:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

No, but I've been doing my own informal random article patrol, and I keep coming across them. It seems eminently proddable to me, but maybe there already has been discussion about this. (I'm also feeling the same way about highway cruft and school cruft. And here I thought I was an inclusionist.) IronDuke 03:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Stuff like this and this. IronDuke 03:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wissahickon Creek

Ah. I never had much dealings with Bonaparte. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nor had I. Thanks for taking care of that. Should W.C. be added to User:Bonaparte/sockpuppetry? (I'd do it, but I'm unsure of the format being used there.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's a bit of a handful — I suppose it's good enough that the category is linked from that page. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeesh again. If I get a burst of energy I'll see if I can help with this. (Is this part of the WP:DENY fetish? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to remove evidence...) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there discussion of this somewhere that I should be paying attention to? (I'm afraid that I don't read AN and AN/I as closely as I should sometimes...) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You might be interested in chiming in at Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Vandal user pages. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Ha! The guy is truly incredible. Thanks for the heads-up. Any time to investigate that other case I was telling you of? :) Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

No worries

Hey Jayjg. Regarding your comment, no worries, I understand that emotions are high right now. I'm on hiatus from doing major editing work for a while anyways. I recently have been reading this book Getting to YES -- which I recommend -- and Elizmr this evening pointed me towards the sequel Getting past NO saying it was also quite good. Have a good evening. --Deodar 04:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for your nod of support during my recent RfA. If I can help out on any admin projects or if you need a pair of disinterested eyes to look at an article, just let me know. BTW, are you running for re-election for Arbcom? youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 17:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I likely would not have asked if I didn't think that you should. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 18:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

blocked users may not edit

You can see my illicit edits here. Please revert them immediately. 87.78.180.237 16:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte again

See: User:AGNLDM. Same edits and arguments as User:Wissahickon Creek on the same page. - Pernambuco 16:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet user pages

Following your comments and a request from SlimVirgin, I've restored all user and user talk pages I deleted that were tagged as sockpuppets – Gurch 00:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Usercheck request

My User page was vandalized by Anon 138.9.57.189. I am suspicious that User:Duke53 is the same person as the ANON that vandalized my page. Could you please check if the the IP address for both editors is the same? Your assistance would be appreciated. Thanks. Storm Rider 07:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do check and when the result is known please post it here. When that is completed could you then please start proceedings against Storm Rider for making false allegations about me? TY Duke53 | 17:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

(Copied from my talk page)

Usercheck request

The evidence here doesn't look all that strong to me, so I'm reluctant to do a CheckUser; perhaps you could try this request on WP:RFCU. Jayjg (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You're preaching to the choir here; did you post this at the user page of the one who actually requested the usercheck? I knew that it wasn't me doing the vandalism, that's probably why "The evidence here doesn't look all that strong". It was another attempt at an attack upon me. Duke53 | Talk 20:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Duke53 | 20:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you know whether or not I can request a usercheck at WP:RFCU on myself in this incident? I would like to prove that I wasn't the one who vandalized that page; I don't believe that the user making the allegation will request it there. Duke53 | 22:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:AN

I begin to despair of using WP:AN as a way to get another administrator involved in an issue. The latest case? WP:AN#User:Jose(Cha-Cha)Jimenez. Here I am, explicitly asking that another admin also get involved also in a situation so it doesn't get personal, and it's been about 40 hours and not a single person seems to have responded in any way. And people wonder why I (and others) have been known at times to "climb the Reichstag"?

Any suggestions? - Jmabel | Talk 22:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought WP:AN/I was for incidents calling for specific action. If not, then is there any reason at all for the (confusing) distinction? - Jmabel | Talk 23:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Huge problem with Hookrej

Hello, there's a user: Hookrej, the one that keeps editing P!nk articles according to his/her (any idea if is a boy or girl, child or adult?) likes, reverting every other editor edits, ordering according to peaks because he wants everyone to see the #1 positions first, also bolding those (which I think violates the Neutral View policy) H may think that this is a free 'fansite' for only him to edit. He also provides false and nonsense Summary Edits. You can check his latest "contribution" at U + Ur Hand edits history. Another user (Extraordinary Machine) has had many problems with Hookrej too, but he seems to be currently busy in real life. Is there any way to report Hookrej? Thanks a million in advanced. DanV 04:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC) |}

circ page shenanigans

Jayjg, I just had an exchange with an IP at the circ talk page here. I didn't realize it at the time, but after the fact it occurred to me that this is almost certainly Subversive element back for another round. Just fyi. If you agree that it's him and want to remove his comments, please feel free to remove my responses as well. Dasondas 05:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Jay, I agree completely. I didn't put 2 and 2 together until after the exchange. I wouldn't have knowingly engaged him, regardless of the provocation. When folks like him show up do you feel it is generally best to delete the posts or just let leave them alone where they sit? Dasondas 19:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tagged; not blocked

On Nov. 1, 2006 you placed ({{SockpuppetCheckuser|Semlow}}) on the user page of Ilterandhome but no block was ever placed. This user is now editing, not blocked, with this tag on his/her user page. Was this tag placed incorrectly or was the block simply forgotten? -- AuburnPilot 07:52, 6 November 2006 _(UTC)

Your comment

I've already explained my actions, and I stand by them. If it had been a "community ban" block, I would not have intervened. It wasn't. The rationale for the block was absurd, so "conflict-of-interest" concerns did not apply. CJCurrie 23:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Response:

1. I can't agree with your assessment. This wasn't simply a block I disagreed with, it was an absurd block based on a misunderstanding.
2. Assuming for the sake of argument that I did violate conflict-of-interest guidelines, wouldn't this make FeloniousMonk equally culpable? CJCurrie 23:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)