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: I will further note that my reading of the cited SPLC source does not support "right-wing extremist" - I do not see that language there. The SPLC does use the extremist label as well as anti-Muslim - but not right-wing - please provide a quote supporting this.] (]) 04:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
: I will further note that my reading of the cited SPLC source does not support "right-wing extremist" - I do not see that language there. The SPLC does use the extremist label as well as anti-Muslim - but not right-wing - please provide a quote supporting this.] (]) 04:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
::Youll note that? But you didnt note that it says ''Through her website, Geller has promulgated some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories found on the extreme right, including claims that President Obama is the love child of Malcolm X; that Obama was once involved with a "crack whore"; that his birth certificate is a forgery; that his late mother posed nude for pornographic photos; and that he was a Muslim in his youth who never renounced Islam.'' But sure, . <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 06:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)</small>
::Youll note that? But you didnt note that it says ''Through her website, Geller has promulgated some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories found on the extreme right, including claims that President Obama is the love child of Malcolm X; that Obama was once involved with a "crack whore"; that his birth certificate is a forgery; that his late mother posed nude for pornographic photos; and that he was a Muslim in his youth who never renounced Islam.'' But sure, . <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 06:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)</small>
::: ''The Independent'' is possibly usable for American extreme-right. The SPLC does not support the specific assertion.] (]) 06:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
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A fact from Pamela Geller appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 August 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Islamophobia
Are there any reliable sources that actually deny that many of Pamella Geller's statements are Islamophobic? If not, we don't need to qualify that and can state it as fact. Because there is certainly a long list of sources that agree that many of her statements are Islamophobic.VRtalk14:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
You can't have it stated as a fact as there's no such thing as islamophobia. She's not phobic of them, she opposes their actions.213.205.241.129 (talk) 04:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
That statement makes no sense and is based on strawman logic. Unless a reliable source denies that her statements are Islamophobic, then they can be stated as fact. Shabeki (talk) 15:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Bizarre lede sentence
This sentence is bizarre:
Multiple media outlets have called her "far right", while others, such as the BBC, contrast her right-wing support for small government with her culturally liberal positions on abortion and same sex marriage.
One, there is nothing notable about her views on small government, abortion and same-sex marriage. Two, the text seems intended to dispute the widely used term "far-right" for her. Third, there's no need to attribute "far-right" to "media outlets". There's also no need to put far-right in quotes.
The BBC sources cited doesn't say far-right. It does say - In favour of abortion and same-sex marriages on the one hand, she is an enthusiastic supporter of right-wing small government - including cutting taxes and reducing budgets - on the other.. Would would be a mixture of right-wing and left-wing politics in the US (on marriage & reproduction vs. the rest). You can not place "far right" unqualified in the lead here - all you have is some polemic sources uses this label - and other more mainstream sources refraining from it.Icewhiz (talk) 12:18, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
It's bizarre because the bit in the middle about the SPLC keeps getting removed by people who don't like that the SPLC rightly called her a right wing extremist. It's reliably sourced and due though so it boils down to WP:IDONTLIKEITSimonm223 (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
We already have a sentence calling her "far right." There is little added by calling her "right-wing extremist" as there would by calling her alt-right, Neo-right, or Trumpeter-Right. "Far" and "extreme" are essentially the same thing. The paragraph says "right" three times when two would do. There's no consensus for a triplicate reiteration. No one is objecting to using the SPLC as it occurs several times in the lead. That's a red-herring claim. Jason from nyc (talk)
The SPLC position on her is definitely due in the lede. There's no clear consensus to keep it out, it's reliably sourced and your removal is plain and simple WP:IDONTLIKEIT so I suggest you self-revert and put it back. Simonm223 (talk) 17:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
First of all you are dismissing my points as subjective ("I don't like it") without considering them. This is not conducive to a discussion seeking consensus. Try again. Jason from nyc (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
The SPLC quote is not duplicated in the lede. Your point is without merit and your conduct borders on WP:TEND. There's no demonstration of consensus; it's you who keeps reverting this statement out, to the detriment of the flow of the lede. Simonm223 (talk) 17:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
We already have the SPLC calling her Islamophobic on the first paragraph in the lede - we don't need to reiterate the SPLC's position again. Icewhiz (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Biased article
"Critics believe she crosses the line from ...". Yet another biased article. The Misplaced Pages is a left wing propaganda organisation. "Opponents ...". On and on ... it's just a long condemnation, propaganda attack. Nothing about the millions of supporters. Nothing about the people that support her, the writers that agree with her. Just quotes from writers who oppose her. The whole article is politically motivated against her. Nothing to do with an encyclopaedia.213.205.241.129 (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
You don't have sources on discussions of articles. A discussion is its own source. It's me doing it. The point I've stated is in clear English.213.205.241.129 (talk) 05:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
I understood your point. And lets say for the sake of argument I agree - what are you specifically suggesting to change in the article? What should be removed (and why)? What should be added (based on what sources)?Icewhiz (talk) 05:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
All I can find is that he was a fan, which isn't surprising - she obviously had an influence on her but I can't find a personal relationship. We can't make a claim like that about a WP:BLP without excellent sources meeting WP:RS.Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 12:14, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
You would need to show that the information is reported in articles about Geller, not just that she is mentioned in articles about Breivik. TFD (talk) 23:08, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
You cannot seem to find it because she "pulled it" from her page. Other sources should be out there. Anyway, the technical people did her IT for her, kinda like hyping pop-music search results or the Russia social media thingee. Will keep an eye out.
"right-wing extremist"
We usually attribute the SPLC. Furthermore, it would seem that most secondary sources covering Geller do not use this particular label (while they do use several other labels) - e.g. this BBC profile does not use this language). When attaching contentious labels to BLPs we generally follow labelling used in a wide spectrum of sources. There are several secondary RSes covering Geller over the years - which other sources have used this label? Icewhiz (talk) 04:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
I will further note that my reading of the cited SPLC source does not support "right-wing extremist" - I do not see that language there. The SPLC does use the extremist label as well as anti-Muslim - but not right-wing - please provide a quote supporting this.Icewhiz (talk) 04:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Youll note that? But you didnt note that it says Through her website, Geller has promulgated some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories found on the extreme right, including claims that President Obama is the love child of Malcolm X; that Obama was once involved with a "crack whore"; that his birth certificate is a forgery; that his late mother posed nude for pornographic photos; and that he was a Muslim in his youth who never renounced Islam. But sure, one of the more controversial ascending stars of the American extreme right. nableezy - 06:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
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