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Evidence presented by Bakasuprman

TerryJ-Ho (talk · contribs) Labels Users

Here's some diffs to back it up. "fascist" and "fascist 2" and paid agent of the RSS. He also tried to mob me by posting messages on the Muslim Guild about Active hindutvavadis. He also asked USer:Nobleeagle if nobleeagle was "doing a PR for Gujarat government,Narendra Modi and Hindutva organisations". Its also funny how TerryJ-Ho (talk · contribs) uses Hindutva as an insult. Hindutva = Hindu Tattva= Being Hindu . Is being a Hindu now fascism ? ArbCom please give me an answer, I would really like to know. If there are, there are 1 billion fascists around the world.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

BhaiSaab (talk · contribs) has anti-Semitic views

As User:Hkelkar is Jewish, this warrants some discussion. User:Samir (The Scope) has found at least three instances of anti-Semitic views expressed. One is where he states Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (holocaust denier) is an awesome guy on the MedCab page. The next day he decided he needed to get it into Hkelkar's head that he thinks Ahmadinejad is awesome. He also said Israel shouldn't be on a map and Israeli prosperity is a result of leeching off the US. He also called Zionists terrorists. If one looks at the pages Holocaust denial and new anti-Semitism a person could see that BhaiSaab's remarks would have been highly unfortunate anyways, and given the fact that Hkelkar is Jewish, they are downright unacceptable.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Addendum - I found an interesting discussion between BhaiSaab and another Jewish user on User_talk:BhaiSaab#Criticism and User_talk:Dev920#Islam_2 . Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

BhaiSaab (talk · contribs)'s early trolling

My unfortunate run-in with this user occurred at the now notorious "Fundy Watch" Afd. At that time I was a very new editor, not knowing the rules/tricks/etc. of Misplaced Pages. After the AfD, he began to harrass all the Hindu editors (myself, Shiva's trident, and Dboy). It started when him and a buddy (now inactive on wikipedia) tried to get Dboy booked for "Spam solicitation" also . While looking for a page to stamp his POV over, he found Indian caste system. There he vandalized the section on the Muslim caste system under the canard of copyright . While I was reporting him to 3RR here, I was blocked under the canard of "Copyvio" by a solicitation from BS . Then while I was reeling from the first block he decided he wanted to torture me again and decided to get one of his "Fundy Watch" friends to block me. After that Blnguyen (talk · contribs) stepped in, and ended the nonsense. BhaiSaab and Ikonoblast (talk · contribs) (nee Holywarrior) formed a cabal against me . And an RFC was filed against me (a copy of which can be found at USer:Bakasuprman/Rfcopy), where consensus supported me against a user fond of trolling. If one refers to USer talk:Blnguyen and numerous archives, they will see the immense amount of baiting and nonsesne we had to deal with. During early august, the diifs are so numerous that its better to merely show logs of his "contributions" here and here. Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidence presented by BhaiSaab

Hkelkar is a sockpuppet/sockpuppeteer

Context

I'd like to note that the reason I feel sockpuppetry is important here, even after Shiva's Trident has become inactive, is that because if it is true, then Hkelkar has been lying for about two months. This says something, then, of his other edits. I think I had quite a lot of evidence for this in my statement. I realize now that I wasn't supposed to do that, but I'll recap some of it here. As you can see from the sockpuppetry case linked in my statement, I have suspected Hkelkar of being a sockpuppet since his first day here, and as Blnguyen or Hkelkar can tell you, I have always believed that he is a sockpuppet. I believe it was the fault of several admins in refusing to acknowledge the obvious, and it took two entire months to finally ban one of the accounts, thanks to action taken by admin Dmcdevit and admin Aksi great. Admin Blnguyen, who has been involved with these "Indian" disputes for a signficant amount of time, did not believe Hkelkar was a sockpuppet until admin Aksi great showed him his own evidence towards the end of October or beginning of November.

Evidence of Sockpuppetry

Here is some information that I have not previously mentioned:

1. Looking at the history of the talk page of (User_talk:Bakasuprman), it is clear that two users have consistently requested the help of Bakasuprman when they have found themselves to be in conflict with other users. In particular, I found the similarity between these two solicitations interesting: , .
2. Both of their interactions with users such as User:Ikonoblast aka Holywarrior, myself, TerryJ-Ho, User:Haphar, and other editors have been quite similar as evidenced by the conversations taken place on each of the respective users talk pages.
3. Both users have frequently use popups to revert the non-vandalistic edits of users that they are having content disputes with. See their contributions as this is commonly done by both of them.
4. During their extended blocks, both users have typed "to-do" notes for themselves: . Although I have seen one or two editors do the same, this practice is not quite common.
5. A quick overview of their contributions shows that Hkelkar has generally edited the very same or similar articles as Subhash bose.
6. They have both used the logic of Venn diagrams in their arguments. See this sockpuppetry case and a discussion regarding myself on ANI.
7. They show the same general attitude toward major religions and tend to make favorable edits for Hinduism and Judaism, while making negative edits for Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism, although there have been some exceptions. This is a general pattern in their editing that cannot be easily shown by one or two diffs.
8. Both users exhibit a tendency to make the same specific typo when using conjunctions (e.g. "don't" is written as "don;t"). Some examples of these typos in their edit summaries include: , , , .

So now I'd like to recap some facts about this sockpuppetry, and for the sake of being non-repetitive, I'll omit the links that I have already provided above and in my statement:

1. Shiva's Trident had previously used User:Pusyamitra_Sunga as a sockpuppet, the account of which was banned.
2. Shiva's Trident's block began on August 21st. Hkelkar began editing on August 22nd during the other user's block.
3. Shiva's Trident has previously edited from User:128.83.131.121 and User:128.83.131.215 during his blocks. On August 22nd, Hkelkar began editing from User:128.83.131.139.
4. Per the University of Texas's website (linked in my statement), the computer or server that is on 128.83.131.139 is remotely accessible.
5. Hkelkar's first edit (by IP) was on Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy, a controversial article which Shiva's Trident had worked on as well just up to a few days prior to the IP's edit. The second article that Hkelkar edited was 2002 Gujarat violence on August 23rd, 2006. Shiva's Trident had last edited this article on August 21st.
6. User:128.83.131.215 was able to cite policy (using their shortcuts e.g. "WP:OR") from the very first day here. 128.83.131.215 issued his first warning to another user after less than three days on Misplaced Pages. This was done to User:Ikonoblast, who has had several heated discussions with Shiva's Trident in the past as evidenced by the talk page.
7. They both attend the University of Texas and study Physics (obviously).
8. Dmcdevit stated that shortly after the result of the checkuser he conducted in which he found that sockpuppetry was "likely" in this case, Shiva's Trident became increasingly inactive, and remains inactive till this day.
9. All of this is apparent, in addition to admin aksi great's evidence (Hkelkar had the same username as Subhash bose as found on a yahoo group posting). I assume this evidence will be forwarded privately by Dmcdevit to the arbcom.

Finally, I'd like to note a conversation between myself and Hkelkar in which he seemed to have forgotten which account he used to make a specific edit. In the article, 2002 Gujarat Violence, we can see that Shiva's Trident inserted a source, Ramesh Rao's blog, on August 19th. On November 4th, Hkelkar and I are debating another source, Sabrang, and I choose to bring up his insertion of the blog. I state "Couldn't I say the same thing of your insertion of statements from Ramesh Rao's blog?..." Hkelkar responds on my talk page, and forgets that it was actually the account Shiva's Trident who inserted the material. He says "I think you misunderstand. I am using Ramesh Rao's writeup as a PRIMARY source after qualifying that it is HE who said it..." If you look at the contribution history of the article, you'll find that Hkelkar has actually never inserted or used additional material from Ramesh Rao, nor has he ever "qualified that it is HE who said it..." in the article. Note further that I specifically used the word "insertion" to refer to Hkelkar's edits, to which he raised no objection at the time.

Hkelkar (and his other usernames) have been disruptive

The statements of some users in this case are based on the assumption that Hkelkar is not a sockpuppet and being truthful. My evidence in some portions of this section are based on the assumption that Hkelkar is a sockpuppet and is lying.

Responses to comments/evidence by other editors

Note: I have provided very little diffs in this section because the relevant pages have already been linked to by the parties to whom I am responding.

Response to Bakasuprman

This user has presented links for evidence but egregiously misrepresents them. I suggest the arbitrators take the time to read over the dialog we had over the copyvio material at Talk:Indian_caste_system#Vandalism in which Blnguyen established that I was correct about the text being a copyright violation. Bakasuprman in his reverts to reinsert the material probably assumed that I was lying about the copyvio and trying to blank the text defensively since I am a Muslim. As you can see on the talk page, Bakasuprman had said about my edit that I "used POV to delete the whole section on Muslim Caste System (He is a Muslim). I will copyedit and keep section due to this bias." He was later blocked per the clause on WP:Vand which states that repeatedly inserting copied text is vandalism. If you take the time to click through his links for his accusations of "cabals" etc., I think you'll find that they paint a different picture. Note that if you go through my contributions you'll find that I did not contribute a single edit to the RFC filed against Bakasuprman. You should further note that the mentioned ""Fundy Watch" friend" is none other than admin Tom Harrison. I'd like to say that in general I think Bakasuprman is a good editor, but he assumed bad faith of me in the "copyvio case" because of my religion, got in trouble for that, and still seems to be quite upset about it.

Response to CltFn

I would like the arbitrators to consider this user's neutrality in his comments about me, considering it was I that who established that this user had been using a sockpuppet for several months. I don't think I need to defend myself against any individual allegations from this user since no evidence has yet been provided.

Response to Hkelkar

"To be inserted"

Allegations of anti-Semitism

I have a strong dislike for Israel, and am not inclined to hide my feelings on the activities of that country. Its oppression of Palestinian civilians disgusts me. However, I have no hatred for Jews, and love Jews that equally dislike Israel, as I've stated several times. Hkelkar is in fact a Hindu, as you can see from the userboxes on the past revisions of User:Shiva's Trident user page. When I was making the "Israel shouldn't be on the map in the first place" and other statements, Blnguyen at the time refused to acknowledge that Hkelkar was a sockpuppet, and he blocked me because he perceived my statements to be directed at a Jewish user. I knew however that my statements were being pasted on the talk page of a Hindu, and I didn't find anything inherently wrong with them. Had Blnguyen known that Hkelkar and Shiva's Trident were the same person as he acknowledges now, I don't feel that I would have been blocked. On the ANI discussion regarding this indcident, several users had commented that Hkelkar's statements were equally provocative, but for whatever reason, Blnguyen took no action against Hkelkar at the time.

Hkelkar's response below seems to be reading into my statements a little too much. "Leeching" is a general negative term - I would use the term against anything I dislike and Israel or Jews certainly do not hold any particular claim to the word as used by anti-Semites. When I said "Israel shouldn't be on the map in the first place" I mean the state, as I am aware that there have been tribes of Jews living in the area for quite a long time even before the existence of the current state of Israel. Hkelkar is making his own inference here to imply that I mean "the people of Israel" shouldn't be on the map. One can read into my statements as much as they like - that doesn't mean their interpretations will be correct. So let me clarify my position here with some oversimplified logic: If you happen to support Israel's actions against Palestinians, I don't particularly like you. If you happen to be Jewish and you criticize Israel (as many Jews within Israel do), I like you. If you happen to be Jewish, and you support what Israel does to Palestinians, I don't like you. If you happen to be a Muslim and you support those actions of Israel, I don't like you the same.

Evidence presented by Hkelkar

Response to accusations of sockpuppetry

I've already gone over this matter in the RFCU filed against me here. However, I will summarize my points and add some more.

• Statement made above

"Looking at the history of the talk page of (User_talk:Bakasuprman), it is clear that two users have consistently requested the help of Bakasuprman when they have found themselves to be in conflict with other users. In particular, I found the similarity between these two solicitations interesting: , "

My response:The similarity is circumstantial at best.Actually, I never denied that I knew Trident and that we converse(d) frequently off wikipedia about wikipedia articles. He was not doing so well with trying to clear them of bias and that's when I stepped in to help.I solicited Bakaman's help on the recommendation of Trident.

• Statement made above

"Both of their interactions with users such as User:Ikonoblast aka Holywarrior, myself, TerryJ-Ho, User:Haphar, and other editors have been quite similar as evidenced by the conversations taken place on each of the respective users talk pages"

My response:I have barely interacted with this User:Haphar (I may have corresponded with him months ago, but not since then). I do observe, that Trident and haphar have had considerable arguments.Of course, Ikonoblast and TerryJ-Ho are pattern disruptors who run around India related articles and fill them with nonsense. I only clean up after them. I will post my evidence concerning this below.

• Statement made above

"Both users have frequently use popups to revert the non-vandalistic edits of users that they are having content disputes with. See their contributions as this is commonly done by both of them."

My response: A bad practice that I stopped after I learned that you were not supposed to use popups except for vandalism

• Statements made above

"During their extended blocks, both users have typed "to-do" notes for themselves: . Although I have seen one or two editors do the same, this practice is not quite common."

My response:Like BhaiSaab said, several editors do this, including trident. I saw him do it, thought it was a rather neat idea, and adopted it myself.

• Statement made above

"A quick overview of their contributions shows that Hkelkar has generally edited the very same or similar articles as Subhash bose."

My response: Like I said, this is the case because Trident intimated to me that these articles were in bad shape and I tried to improve them.

• Statement made above:

"They have both used the logic of Venn diagrams in their arguments."

My response:This is the best BhaiSaab can do? We both use Venn Diagrams so we must be the same person???Both Ariel Sharon and I breathe oxygen. Are we the same person? Both Steven Weinberg and I use Venn Diagrams to present our arguments (attend his cosmology class at UT Austin sometime). We even go to the same department and University.Are Stephen Weinberg and I the same person? I urge the admins to see the obvious, that BhaiSaab clearly has no case and is trying to prejudice you with circumstantial events.

• Statement made above

"They show the same general attitude toward major religions and tend to make favorable edits for Hinduism and Judaism, while making negative edits for Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism, although there have been some exceptions. This is a general pattern in their editing that cannot be easily shown by one or two diffs"

My response:Like I said, all this establishes is that we have similar points of view, which I never denied.Besides, I would not characterize my edits as "negative for Islam". That is really the reason why BhaiSaab is carrying out his little crusade.He's angry that I wrote about some dirty littel secrets among Muslims, like the Muslim Castes, which he tried to whitewash and instigated an edit-war there (I'll post more diffs about this later). He plans to get me banned and delete that section once the article get's unprotected. Such practices are quite common for him and can be seen from his contribs.

• Statement made above

"Shiva's Trident had previously used User:Pusyamitra_Sunga as a sockpuppet, the account of which was banned."

My response:I do not know anything about this matter.

• Statement made above

"Shiva's Trident's block began on August 21st. Hkelkar began editing on August 22nd."

My response:Because Trident told me to.

• Statements made above

"They both attend the University of Texas and study Physics (obviously)."

My response: A fact that I have never denied.

• Statements made above

"Dmcdevit stated that shortly after the result of the checkuser he conducted in which he found that sockpuppetry was "likely" in this case, Shiva's Trident became increasingly inactive, and remains inactive till this day"

My response: I told him to steer clear of wikipedia for a while as he was increasingly getting busy and I less so. He is a theorist and I an experimentalist. Theory people do little work during the summer and mostly work in the long sessions (that's now). I worked a lot in the summer on my experiment, which gave results and I wrote my paper.I now have some time to edit and he doesn't (though I will get busy with the next phase of my work soon). Nonetheless, he wanted to do some editing but I told him to keep off and intimate any interesting articles he saw to me.

I would like to point out that I raised these issues earlier in the RFCU discussion page (which I link here). I will quote from there now:

Link:Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Hkelkar

I would also like for you to look at admin User:Blnguyen's assessment here

and the assessments of User:Dbachmann here Now look at BhaiSaab's response , clearly indicating that he is getting increasingly desperate to sway opinions against me. This puts his objectivity in question.

and that of User:Ben W Bell (in a conversation with User:Ikonoblast) here

• Statement made above:

"Both users exhibit a tendency to make the same specific typo when using conjuctions (e.g. don't is written as "don;t"). Some examples of these typos in their edit summaries include"

My response:An interesting observation.Such typos are not uncommon to many posters on the internet (see any number of slashdot posts where such typos occur routinely, I guess nearly half of them must be my sockpuppets).If you look at your standard QWERTY keyboard (not the DVORAK keybpard), you will see that the apostrophe key and the semicolon key are side by side. OTher common typos that Trident and I (and a hundred million users on the internet) have in common is typing "teh" instead of "the" (see Internet Slang). Let's ban them all from wikipedia, praise G-d. Or how about you don;t whoops don't?

Hkelkar 06:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• Statement made above

"Finally, I'd like to note a conversation between myself and Hkelkar in which he seemed to have forgotten which account he used to make a specific edit. In the article, 2002 Gujarat Violence, we can see that Shiva's Trident inserted a source, Ramesh Rao's blog, on August 19th. On November 4th, Hkelkar and I are debating another source, Sabrang, and I choose to bring up his insertion of the blog. I state "Couldn't I say the same thing of your insertion of statements from Ramesh Rao's blog?..." Hkelkar responds on my talk page, and forgets that it was actually the account Shiva's Trident who inserted the material. He says "I think you misunderstand. I am using Ramesh Rao's writeup as a PRIMARY source after qualifying that it is HE who said it..." If you look at the contribution history of the article, you'll find that Hkelkar has actually never inserted or used additional material from Ramesh Rao, nor has he ever "qualified that it is HE who said it..." in the article. Nowhere in his response to me does Hkelkar state "I did not insert the blog; Shiva's Trident did."

My response:Carefully look at my statement. I said "I am USING the blog" i.e. as part of my argument after Trident put it there and I read it.Did I say that I cited the blog? I did not, Trident did. Why is it necessary for me to mention who put it there first? I am certainly not required to qualify the edit history of every edit made to an article during my discussion. Again, another lame attempt by Bhaisaab to deliberately skew circumstantial incidents. Anybody can do that against anybody. If I was actually Trident, and I goofed up my "nefarious scheme", I would have said "I cited the blog" but I didn't did I? Of course, the truly paranoid can use a double-double deception argument, but I am working on the good faith assumption that Arbcomm isn't populated by tinfoil hat wearing 10 year olds.

Conclusion:Most of this so-called evidence is circumstantial. I have explained why the technical information in the checkuser case was misleading, and the fact that we hail from the same school. have similar backgrounds and often discuss wikipedia matters with each other, which is why I advised him to step back for a while so that nobody can say we're "meatpuppets" or whatever. I have also demonstrated BhaiSaab's real reasons for this RFCU (so that he may have free run to whitewash articles on Muslims). Finally, there have been no edits from Trident in months, which makes the sockpuppetry charge moot. I point you to Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets#Reporting_suspected_sock_puppets where it says:

Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Trident is my sockpuppet, there has been little or no activity on that account for months (see contribs), and his last edit to an article appears to be on September 3, 2.5 months ago (he's indefblocked now, but that happened on 29th october, 2 weeks ago thanks to Dcmdevit's biased conclusion made largely in bad faith and with extreme malice on his part, for which I opine that he should be summarily desysopped, but I will raise that matter at another time).Therefore, assuming that we are sockpuppets, there have been no abuse, block evasion or any impropriety in months. The policy statement above clearly indicates that there is a precept of reasonable statute in wikipedia policy which is surely less than two months. Since, in the absense of abuse or block/ban evasion, sockpuppetry isn;t illegal, then the issue is moot. This matter has nothing to do with sockpuppetry at all, but is a personal crusade against me by BhaiSaab, who has been misrepresenting sources and whitewashing many article for months before Trident noticed it and showed it to me.I will add evidence on that soon.I should add that BhaiSaab's desperation at smearing me, even to the point of rehashing old accusations of sockpuppetry, should tell you something about HIS edits, particularly Talk:Indian caste system, which arbcomm should peruse carefully.Hkelkar 05:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

User:BhaiSaab has been a disruptive user

Will present evidence here in 1 day

user:BhaiSaab has expressed anti-semitic views

Well I was going to post diffs showcasing his anti-semitism, and I will, for the sake of propriety.This post is in response to his statement above concerning his "love for Jews" and distinction with "hate for Medinat Yisrael".Of course, being critical of Israel does not make anybody an anti-semite. If you red op/eds from Haaretz or Jpost, you will see plenty of criticism of Israel there only.However, BhaiSaab clearly made statements against me, a Jew, supporting a holocaust denier (whose name I refuse to type, but he is the current president of Iran, you know whom I mean) and saying that "Israel shouldn't be on the map in the first place" and "Israel wins only because it leeches off of the US" . Now, the reason why these statements are anti-semitic (and not just "critical of Israel") are as follows:

1. The phrase "leeches" was traditionally used by anti-semites to characterize Jews as a people. The vast literature of anti-semitism clearly shows that Jews were compared to various forms of parasitic life forms throughout the ages by anti-semites.Thus, saying that Israel (with a majority Jewish population) "leeches" (verb form) is indicative of the anti-semitic stereotype that "Jews are leeches", making the sentence an anti-semitic one.
2. It is one thing to constructively criticize Israel. It is another to demand it's destruction. Medinat Israel is s sovereign nation, recognized by all the civilized world as a state with every right to exist. It also has a Jewish Majority with a Jewish Majority government that represents a Jewish majority people and an Arab minority people also. Israel also has among the largest number of Jews in the world. Thus, demanding that "Israel be wiped off the map" is a demand that actions be taken to the end of eliminating the state and it's people. Thus, it demands the ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of the Jewish population. The resultant death toll would clearly be greater than that of the Shoah (the most anti-semitic act in history), making his statement irreconcilably anti-semitic.
3. Regarding his claims of "loving Jews who oppose Israel", I'm sure that everybody realizes that such Jewish groups are a vanishingly small fringe minority who have committed such acts of mishegas against Israel. Naturally, most anti-semites would side with groups that commit such a chilul hashem to try to present themselves as non anti-semites. However, it is clear that siding with such fringe minorities (in on itself not necessarily an anti-semitic thing), coupled together with demands of Israel's destruction, makes his position an anti-semitic one. Hkelkar 08:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

User:TerryJ-Ho has been a disruptive user

Will submit evidence here in 1 day

User:TerryJ-Ho expresses a deep seated hatred and prejudice against Hindus

Will submit evidence here in 1 day

User:TerryJ-Ho supports Islamism and Islamic Fundamentalism

Will submit evidence here

Response to Mostlyharmless's accusations below

Mostlyharmless holds wikipedia policy in contempt

Please read my contributions to the article in question. They are in scrupulous adherence to wikipedia policy. The narrative is entirely neutral and all claims are attributed as such.My opinions are my own and I have a right to them. Of course, they will not influence the narrative of my edits to articles and , in fact, they haven't. I have established the legitimacy of my edits in the talk page .Mostlyharmless, on the other hand, commented on contributor (me), not content,in his personal attack to me . Per the first paragraph of WP:NPA that is a personal attack. He also declared that he will pursue a witch-hunt against me by "alerting other users" to my views.

This user unilaterally reverted my edits without any reasonable discussion. Massive blanking of sourced edits is vandalism. Plus, there is ample precedent for such criticism in the article per this edit, which has not been contested, unlike my edits. I see a double standard against Indians at work here. Hkelkar 03:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Mostlyharmless promulgates systemic bias

Finally, Mostlyharmless has clearly indicated below that he opposes the opinions of anyone who criticizes his pet organizations. He has engaged in forced censorship (a common practice among libertarians). He removed my edits solely because he disagreed with them, not because of any issues with wikipedia policy, which the edits adhered to rather well. Such editors are unproductive and promulgate the systemic bias problem of wikipedia.Hkelkar 03:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Nobleeagle

TerryJ-Ho has a prejudice against Hinduism, Hindus and Hindu culture

The most disturbing bit of this evidence is the heading. Culture of Hate, he then goes to talk about how Hindus in India are prejudiced against Muslims. But what is the Culture of Hate, a religion that has been known for its peacefulness has now suddenly spawned a culture of hate? Clear bias, almost disturbing view of another culture. The rest of the discussion is on Hkelkar's Jewishness. This is not the first time such users have placed huge importance on Hkelkar's religion. just one more example. TerryJ-Ho reckons Hindu culture is a Culture of Hate and then goes on to try and prove Hkelkar is Hindu, which to him implies that Hkelkar is from this Hate-filled culture. I am personally offended. Nobleeagle 04:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

TerryJ-Ho acts in bad faith against Hindu or Hindutva-sympathetic users

First of all. I made a simple good faith merge of seperate incidents on 2002 Gujarat violence. I don't see any bad faith or Hindutva propaganda in my edit. TerryJ-Ho comes back and accuses me of doing a PR for the Gujarat Government and labels my edit as disgusting. see here. I'm offended by that as he effectively accuses me of supporting the killing of innocent people.

Also see the archived deletion debate here. TerryJ-Ho nominates a well-sourced and well-built article for two reasons. The fact that it breeds Hindu sympathetic feelings and the fact that it was created by Hkelkar. Nothing else. He then brings up the point that Anti-Hindu is an adjective. Well then he should've asked for a move or politely asked for a merge. But he acted in bad faith. If you see his first comments he describes Hindutva - the right wing Hindu religio- Xenophobe movement in India and increasingly abroad . Firstly the right wing religio-xenophobe accusation is false, but I shouldn't talk about that here, secondly that proves that his motives for this deletion debate were simply because he wanted to get rid of Hindutva on Misplaced Pages. Nobleeagle 23:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidence presented by TerryJ-Ho

Responses

Response to Bakasuprman

Just check the difference between Hinduism and Hindu fundamentalism on Misplaced Pages and know to what "Being Hindu" - Hindutva redirects to MerryJ-Ho 11:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Response to Nobeleagle

Anyone reading my comments knows what I mean and not what you are trying to project.Another time tested strategy of this group of editors to save Hkelkar's skin - instead of replying to the charges with reason- they will attack othersMerryJ-Ho

Again - Mr.Kelkar's Jewish religion is being raked by this group and not me or those who oppose the Hindutva - Hindu right wing POV pushing on Misplaced Pages.MerryJ-Ho

Evidence showing that Hkelkar is an upgraded version of Subhash Bose, Pussyamitra Sunga et. al

Evidence will be given here

Evidence showing that Hkelkar is a Hindutva POV posting machine

Evidence presented by TwoHorned

Evidence showing that Hkelkar is very likely a sockpuppet/sockpuppeteer

Evidence will be given here

Hkelkar makes defamation using unfounded threat of anti-semitism

Evidence will be given here

Hkelkar, along with a group of users, puts a specific ideological bias on Misplaced Pages articles related to India

Evidence will be given here

Evidence presented by Mostlyharmless

I have only encountered this user in the context of two pages, but have found this users attitude towards wikipedia very difficult to deal with, more so than anyone I've encountered here.

Extremely abrasive

The user has made extremely POV remarks about an organisation he was going to edit . This user then procedeeded to make significant one sided edits to the organisation s/he'd said should be hanged from lamposts. The user then called others libertarian fanatics when edits were challenged. He then called the organisation 'small and shady'. The user accuses others of 'baseless tantrums and veiled ad hominum attacks'. The user seems to think that these are irrelevant , and that mentioning this is a personal attack

Allegations of indophobia and anti-semitism

The user has also made poisonous allegations of Indophobia towards editors after the neutrality of her/his edits were challenged, while making baseless allegations of corruption towards the subject in question. Uses allegations of anti-semitism towards legitimate political opinions.

User seems to think that WP is a soapbox for contesting opinions

Of most concern to me is the fact that the user thinks that wikipedia works by people putting in information supporting one side and then having others NPOV it by putting in opposing information. This is reflected consistently in the users edits, see; here , and here . This has been reflected consistently in discussion. , . The user likes to claim that expressing extreme POV and one sided editing is not important if you can make your edits sound NPOV; here 'I certainly won't enter them into the article(s) unless I can source them in a neutral narrative, but HRW is definitely a cabal of terrorists who should be hanged from lampposts', and here , , , . It is this behaviour that is of most concern to me, as it is the most damaging, and hardest to address.

Response to Hkelkar's allegations above

I removed the disputed section to the talkpage so that it could be discussed, and POV issues worked out . It remains there, and I think that the proper thing to do is resolve the issues about neutrality (which have been raised by numerous others) on the talk page, rather than having POV attack piece in the article, which is the current situation. I don't think calling me a libertarian is very civil either (no disrespect intended to libertarians!)

Evidence presented by Hornplease

Hkelkar (talk · contribs) has been disruptive

I am limiting myself to this particular user, although in my opinion the greater threat to the project is from Bakasuprman (talk · contribs), who has more energy, and similar tactics, together with greater, often brazen incivility and aggression.

Let me make clear the methodology used by this editor, limiting myself to our mutual interaction, and not whatever he was up to elsewhere. I apologise to ArbCom for not using the common template, but I believe that this will present the data more effectively.

1. Step into stable situations and edit, controversially, without explanation or reference to context: ,
2. Quote mining: . Struggling to find something that will confirm a previously held belief. This will subesequently be claimed to be a representative quote.
3. Aggressive editing: . Claiming alternative views are "anti-Hindu" - and all acceptable, peer-reviewed sources are "pseudo-secular". (Or Marxist. We will return to that.)
4. An aggressive reaction to correction, consisting first of accusations of personal anti-Semitism, and being 'anti-Hindu', a neologism created by claiming an analogous history of persecution: , followed by a random accusations of puppetry - or, frequently an accusation of vandalism (of which more later.)
5. Mis-citing a reliable source, and then defending it deliberately obtusely in the hope that opposition will go away - consider my attempts at explanation of a single mis-cited and misquoted reference here , , , , and , the last-named in response to an accusation of 'playing the fool'. I wasnt the only editor pointing out the same thing: .
6. Insertion of deliberate inaccuracy to push a POV, caught here , as well as a complete lack of due diligence when removing statements or demanding citations:
7. Dismissal of mainstream academic thought . Note that the paper in question is India's paper of record, and the 'random' author in question is the tenured head of a department at UCLA, and a former Director of Studies at France's apex Social Sciences school, Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales, and the first Chair in Indian History and Culture at the University of Oxford. However he is dismissed as peripheral, and also elsewhere as a apologist for terrorists, which really could not be further from the truth.
8. Next, if by some mischance a mis-cited, unrepresentative quote that has been dug up and given pride of place in some articles is removed as part of very necessary house-cleaning, a vandalism tag goes up and the oft-repeated statement "removal of sourced information is vandalism" is rolled out, as in this sequence of edit comments., , , . I point out the absurdity of that here, with a remark that the misquotation had been challenged weeks ago on the talkpage . No noticeable change in behaviour results.
9. And finally, if all else fails, call in your friends and simply declare that you are closing off further discussion. ("Mission accomplished", anyone?) , .

This is a small sample of this editor's behaviour. It is limited to his interaction with me, and to a few weeks, not his entire time on WP. I have ignored all his incivility, which was continual and grating, as something evident on any investigation. Note that the incivility was not only directed at other POV-pushers such as are attacked elsewhere on this project page, but also at those who manifestly had no POV to push. (But did, in Kelkar's paranoid opinion.) I am not quoting his hate-filled statements about India-Pakistan peace groups or prominent academics or major newspapers ("terrorist Islamist sympathisers ", "commies" and "pinko rags", or words to that effect), as they will be readily available to any investigator. I am not commenting further on sockpuppetry, except to note that if it is demonstrated that Subhas and Kelkar are the same person, I have a few more things to add.

These people are profoundly distressing. WP needs to take a stand now; its complacency about POV being eventually removed will not stand up in the face of well-organised, energetic editors gaming the system in this manner. If I have given up, anybody would who wasnt a POV-pusher themselves. Hornplease 09:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)