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Good lord, where did this article come from? john k 07:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's an outgrowth of extensive arguments at Khuzestan and Ahvaz and Ethnic politics of Khuzestan. See the arguments on the talk pages there.

I have written an article, History of Khuzestan, which I need to correct, as it was based on online sources which proved to be erroneous. I ordered an unpublished dissertation re the history of Khuzestan and it knocked a number of my statements down like nine-pins.

From my POV, the editors Southern Comfort and Zereshk are fighting the Iran-Iraq war all over again and have cast me as Saddam Hussein. Any edits I make to the first three articles are instantly reverted, and I am not allowed to link History of Khuzestan to any of the three articles.

Even after I found sources I trusted for an early use of Khuzestan/Khuzistan, Zereshk had invested so much energy in proving my earlier doubts wrong that he decided to put it all in this article. IMHO, he is extremely resistant to any editing, or to removal of any of his quotes. But perhaps it's just that I've pissed him off so thoroughly that it's ME who's not allowed to touch his prose. You can try editing and see what happens.

Sheikh Jabir wasn't one of the Bani Ka'b, I find from the unpublished dissertation. He was from a rival group.

Nor do I find any references anywhere that would support the statement that there were no significant numbers of Arabs in the province until the 15th-16th centuries. I would say that it is more likely that there had been a slow but steady arabization ever since the Arab conquest in the late 630s. Mustafaa agrees. But we don't have any proof, since this is social, rather than political history, and older historians paid little attention to social history. It would take a combination of sustained archaeological work and dedicated digging in the archives to get info, and this is NOT the kind of research the current Iranian government would allow, I should think. Seems to me that the most sensible thing would be to say that the population of the area tipped from Elamo-Persian to majority Arab over the centuries, but when and how are not clear.

You may want to read the Ahvaz/Khuzestan/Ethnic politics of Khuzestan talk pages if you like melodrama <g>. Zora 07:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

1. The entire article has only one quote.
2. For people who find the existence of this article strange, please see the similar Origin of the name California.--Zereshk 09:49, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This article is lacking references, and only the first part of it("Khuzestan", origins) is related to what the name of the article conveys, the rest is about proving the name(did anyone ever claim that the area was never named Khuzestan??), this article seems to be written to prove a point rather than to provide information Ahmed Hallak (talk) 01:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

POV , Reference needed

Arabistan sect begins with an allegation " The Arabs of Khuzestan are not indigenous to the

province" this allegation does not provide any reliable source and more than that It's not even related to the topic which should talk ,about the origins of Khuzistan or Arabistan name and our request for providing any source being reverted by whose appear to be from Persian Editors community

Not to mention This unsourced allegation is easily can be confirmed false as Al-Tabari the wellknown Persian scholar talks about presence of Arabs of Khuzistan before the Islamic conqure which algedly cause the migration of Arabs in Khuzistan , He talks about How Arabs of Khuzistan aid the Islamic troops to over come the sassanied empire in different battels especially in Suq-Alahwaz battle

More than he adds that in 242 AD Arabs of Khuzistan in valley of Hormozedjan Aid the ssassanied king Ardeshir papakan against the Partnian king Ardewan (Altabari Vol 4 Page 208)

Not to mention that in 200 B.C Khuzistan which was not known with this name either (Khuzistan is a ssassanied name) saw the biggest kingdom on Its land The Arabic Empire of Messian with 26 kings, with Its capital (xarakas = today khoramshahr) , the ssassanied attack on the province result the fall of Messin kingdom

Now how is that Arabs considered Immigrants in this article? If you don't see all this historical sources that proves Arabs existence even before ssassanid Khuzistan at least and for the sake of Misplaced Pages credibly don't remove the Ask for reliable source which proves the other idea mentioned in the sect! Ted hamiltun (talk) 12:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

!Arabistan Section, Editors Clean this mess

First this section should talk about the origins of the Khuzistan or Arabistan name not to question the historical existence of inhabitants of the province, anyways the section begins with an allegation which has no refrence The Arabs of Khuzestan are not indigenous to the province and the source given by one of users does not contain this phrase! And any ask for reference beign being removed by an Iranian user that keeps to push his ideas to this article

Anyways if this section Is to discuss the Semitic presence in the province there is hard evidence that the large part of inhabitants of Elam were Semitic and this is before the Aryians immigration to the Iranian platue

Walther Hinz the wellknown German archeologist and Elamologist points to dark skinned Elamites of khuzistan in his book " The Lost World of Elam" :

"These must be Elamites from the hinterland Even today dark-skinned men, in no way negroid, are often to be seen in Khuzistan. They consider themselves for the most part as Arabs, and speak Arabic among themselves. It seems likely that the population even of Ancient Elam was a mixed one, consisting of dark-skinned aboriginals of uncertain race and of Semites, who had infiltrated from Mesopotamia in repeated incursions since the Akkad period"

Ted hamiltun (talk) 04:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

1. Walther Hinz,The lost world of Elam, Page 20-21