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{{unblock reviewed | 1=<span class="template-ping">@], ], and ]:</span> Hello all, * @] from the religious point of view you can consider Tigray region (state) of Ethiopia as the successor of Kingdom of Axum (even though power have shifted to different cities in Ethiopia, throughout time). Kingdom of Axum & its capital city Axum was where Christianity first came/started in Africa (in a form of Orthodox Christianity). For example the '''Ark of the Covenant''' & Orthodox Christianity have have continuously existed from Kingdom of Axum time to Tigray region/state (where Tigray region is the most Christian region in Ethiopian, with over 96% of its population Orthodox Christians). The Ark of the Covenant artifact has existed in the city of ] from Kingdom of Axum's time, to Tigray region time today, and it has been guarded by a one monk-man temple/church in Axum for almost 2000 years; where each monk-man succeeds each-other upon death (regardless of it being the real Ark of the Covenant or not). Showing continuity by religion (not by power); even though it was not kings who succeeded each-other from Kingdom of Axum to Tigray region, instead they are monk-man who guard the most holy artifact in Ethiopian (according to most Christians), who succeeded each-other for around 2000 years (for the sake of guarding, e.t.c...). Obviously, ]'s capital-city is not Axum rather ], so I did not mislead. (Axum is now one town/city in Tigray region, but still the center of its religion). Even though I did not write this anywhere in Misplaced Pages, one can even say "Axum is still the religion-capital of Tigray region/state (& modern day Ethiopia), like it has been for thousands of years ". Above all this, I never blatantly wrote in Misplaced Pages that "]'s successes is ]"; so @], with all due respect, please rethink your comment. * You said I have to break the ] to be blocked, which I was careful not to, and which I did not. * Time will tell who is the POV, you are just blinded by the media which will at sometime probably shift its view. The fact that someone is nominated for Nobel peace prize (like over 300 are nominated every-year), does not mean that person is a saint. Any member of Parliament, professor, leader can nominate anyone. * You made the most of the articles worse (in terms of POV) by reverting my edits. * I '''always''' correct the specific comment you give, before editing again. However, you know blame me for not listening for some of your blurred/guessed comment. I believe you make blurred comments/feedback since you are not sure. However, at every specific comment/feedback you give, I have always fixed the point you give. * One of you made a comment about my username, but my username was just meant to imply I only want the truth, instead of propaganda and misleads. Kind regards, ] (]) 15:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC) | decline = Based on this request and what I have seen, I don't see much benefit to this project in unblocking you at this time. I don't see any understanding of the reasons for the block. You do not have to break the three revert rule to be blocked for edit warring; three reverts is a bright line, but you can be blocked with fewer reverts if it is felt necessary. I am declining your request. ] (]) 16:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)}} | {{unblock reviewed | 1=<span class="template-ping">@], ], and ]:</span> Hello all, * @] from the religious point of view you can consider Tigray region (state) of Ethiopia as the successor of Kingdom of Axum (even though power have shifted to different cities in Ethiopia, throughout time). Kingdom of Axum & its capital city Axum was where Christianity first came/started in Africa (in a form of Orthodox Christianity). For example the '''Ark of the Covenant''' & Orthodox Christianity have have continuously existed from Kingdom of Axum time to Tigray region/state (where Tigray region is the most Christian region in Ethiopian, with over 96% of its population Orthodox Christians). The Ark of the Covenant artifact has existed in the city of ] from Kingdom of Axum's time, to Tigray region time today, and it has been guarded by a one monk-man temple/church in Axum for almost 2000 years; where each monk-man succeeds each-other upon death (regardless of it being the real Ark of the Covenant or not). Showing continuity by religion (not by power); even though it was not kings who succeeded each-other from Kingdom of Axum to Tigray region, instead they are monk-man who guard the most holy artifact in Ethiopian (according to most Christians), who succeeded each-other for around 2000 years (for the sake of guarding, e.t.c...). Obviously, ]'s capital-city is not Axum rather ], so I did not mislead. (Axum is now one town/city in Tigray region, but still the center of its religion). Even though I did not write this anywhere in Misplaced Pages, one can even say "Axum is still the religion-capital of Tigray region/state (& modern day Ethiopia), like it has been for thousands of years ". Above all this, I never blatantly wrote in Misplaced Pages that "]'s successes is ]"; so @], with all due respect, please rethink your comment. * You said I have to break the ] to be blocked, which I was careful not to, and which I did not. * Time will tell who is the POV, you are just blinded by the media which will at sometime probably shift its view. The fact that someone is nominated for Nobel peace prize (like over 300 are nominated every-year), does not mean that person is a saint. Any member of Parliament, professor, leader can nominate anyone. * You made the most of the articles worse (in terms of POV) by reverting my edits. * I '''always''' correct the specific comment you give, before editing again. However, you know blame me for not listening for some of your blurred/guessed comment. I believe you make blurred comments/feedback since you are not sure. However, at every specific comment/feedback you give, I have always fixed the point you give. * One of you made a comment about my username, but my username was just meant to imply I only want the truth, instead of propaganda and misleads. Kind regards, ] (]) 15:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC) | decline = Based on this request and what I have seen, I don't see much benefit to this project in unblocking you at this time. I don't see any understanding of the reasons for the block. You do not have to break the three revert rule to be blocked for edit warring; three reverts is a bright line, but you can be blocked with fewer reverts if it is felt necessary. I am declining your request. ] (]) 16:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)}} | ||
:You've confirmed that you don't understand the problem. I'll deal with your name first. It suggests that you know the truth, presumably about everything Tigray related. No one can, and those who think they do are rarely good editors. For instance, you state as a fact that theArk of the Covenant is in Axum, despite the fact that the ] article doesn't claim it's real and gives at least 8 possible locations if it is real. We can't have editors who make such statements as though were were accepted fact. You didn't literally write that Tigray was Aksum's succesor, you wrote "Tsegede historically has always been part of the old Tigray state (and before that, it was part of Kingdom of Axum". That is saying that there was a Tigray state that was the successor to the kingdom of Axum so far as I'm concerned. You've changed your argument a bit, saying that "from the religious point of view you can consider Tigray region (state) of Ethiopia as the successor of Kingdom of Axum". You write about an "ancient Tigray state" with another editor, ], reverted. It seems to be this nonexistent ancient state that you were arguing was the successor to Axum although you haven't mentioned it here, just using your "connect the dots" to make an argument. No one said you had to break 3RR to be blocked, by the way. I'm tired of spending time correcting the problems you create, and will not support an unblock. I wrote this before your request was denied, by the way, but that denial caused an edit conflict. ] ] 16:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
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Thank you!
Hi Truth gate keeper!
Thanks for all of the work you are doing improving articles related to Ethiopia! Regards, Tdslk (talk) 06:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Over-linking
One link is enough, overlinking is not just unnecessary, it's obtrusive and makes the text harder to read. Please read WP:OVERLINK. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:20, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Aksum town
It's been a town for centuries, usually an important market town. And of course a religious centre. Although it's growing, the city population list you are using is one of cities and towns, so can't be used to call it a town. It might reach city status again in the future in part due to tourism boosting its economy. It certainly hasn't been continuously inhabited as a city. Doug Weller talk 12:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Truth gate keeper (talk) 23:37, 24 February 2019 (UTC) Truth gate keeper Hi Doug Weller, thank you for your comment. However, Axum is currently a city. Even when you open the city population link I used (http://www.citypopulation.de/Ethiopia.html), it says "Axum: Ethiopian city – Elevation: 2,131 m". Even though the table is both for cities and town, when you click on the list it tells you whether it is a city or a town. And whey you click Axum it says it is a "city".
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Hi all ( I dream of horses Galobtter talk to me I dream of horses ),
Thank you for approving the article on Dedebi! I have & I am improving it still, so how can I request a new assessment (to get a rating better than Stub-Class), when I'm done? Or is it automatic?
Best regards,
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- Assessments are done by individual editors. If the article is improved enough, you can update the assessment (which can be done by editing the talk page. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Please don't change citations to add Amazon links
Please follow Help:Referencing for beginners, it's really useful. Don't forget page numbers for books. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 10:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doug Weller,
I would never change citation to Amazon, I have no interest to do so. I always search if the book is freely available online first, if I couldn't find it online for free, then I search it anywhere online where they have it (sometimes it is Amazon, but half of the time it is somewhere else). Please point out for me, where I have changed a reference from something else that is working to Amazon?
Best regards, Truth gatekeeperTruth gatekeeper (talk) 17:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- I misread your edit and have reverted myself. Sorry. Doug Weller talk 17:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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March 2019
Hello, I'm S0091. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Abiy Ahmed, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. S0091 (talk) 21:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello S0091, I provide many reliable sources. You must be mistaken.
Best regards,
Truth gatekeeper (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! I do see some statements you have added to the article such as "Many say it is perhaps because of his unthoughtful policies which have destabilized Ethiopia, which he does not want to answer for." currently do not have a source, but I see you are still working on it. I will assume you will add sources for such statements. Thanks for the reply! S0091 (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
S0091 was correct: I reverted the lot because many of the references were NOT reliable (or secondary). Additionally, much of your content blatantly fails WP:NPOV--you are clearly writing argumentatively, from the point of view of an opponent of the person. That cannot stand, and I noticed that from the very first edit you made on the article. Your very name already suggests you are not neutral. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Doug Weller, I hope you take an interest in this as well. Among the sources in the Ahmed article and in Alamata (woreda) I find Academia, dissertations, a variety of unclear websites--and a ton of non-neutral writing. Drmies (talk) 00:34, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello all, I was doing the critics section of Abiy Ahmed page, to given the Abiy Ahmed page a neutral view since most of the things there were more of a propaganda than an overall neutral view. You can even just read the following () and determine if the article was neutral before I started working on it.... The article is clearly not neutral as it was before I started with it, so I added a critics section. For example, the bellow. Which is well referenced and makes the article a bit more neutral. If there is a reference that don't qualify, please point it out specifically. Most of the references are qualified once though. Kind regards, Truth gatekeeper (talk) 00:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Systematic persecution of Ethiopian Tigrayans
Tigrayans are the most ancient inhabitants of Ethiopia, whereas Amharas are the second. Scholars have classified the Tigrayans (and the populous Amharas) as ancient-Ethiopians proper, from the many ethnic groups in present-day Ethiopia.
The decline of the Tigrayan population in Ethiopia during Haile Selassie's reign – in particular in districts of the former Tigray province governance, which are given to the present-day Amhara Region, like Addi Arkay (woreda), Kobo (woreda) & Sanja (woreda) – is likely to have been as a result of Haile Selassie's suppression and systematic persecution against non-Amhara ethnic peoples of Ethiopia (in particular, his immense systematic persecution of Tigrayans). For example, on the 1958 famine of Tigray, Haile Selassie refused to send any significant basic emergency food aid to Tigray province despite having the resources to; as a consequence, over 100,000 people died of the famine (in Tigray province).
Later on, the Mengistu Haile Mariam-led brutal military dictatorship (Derg) also used the 1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia as government policy (by restricting food supplies) for counter-insurgency strategy (against Tigray People's Liberation Front guerrilla-soldiers), and for "social transformation" in non-insurgent areas (against people of Tigray province, Welo province and such). Due to organized government policies that deliberately multiplied the effects of the famine, around 1.2 million people died in Ethiopia from this famine where most of the death tolls were from Tigray province (and other parts of northern Ethiopia).
Since May 2018, different groups of youths in Amhara Region have started robbing food/grain loads from trucks heading to supply Tigray region, in an effort to starve Tigrayans & further depopulate Tigray region, as they claim. It is part of these Amhara youths' rhetoric to take away more lands from Tigray Region (especially from Welkait district). The youths are also blocking roads which lead to Tigray region, but the Amhara regional government and Abiy Ahmed Ali's new federal government administration has turned a blind eye to their lawlessness. (Since June 2018, the Amhara state TV has even started echoing these rhetorics. Following these rhetorics -and ethnic-based hate messages by former Derg members-, over 70,000 Tigrayans have been barbarically killed or displaced in Ethiopia, where the majority of these Tigrayan victims were in Amhara Region.)
As history repeats itself, Abiy Ahmed Ali also started systematically persecuting Ethiopian Tigrayans, after assuming office in April 2018. From November 25 - December 9, 2018, Tigrayans held massive rallies (against Abiy Ahmed Ali) in 10 of the major cities/towns of Tigray region saying "respect the Ethiopian constitution". One of their main slogan from their rallies was "stop ethnic profiling Tigrayans". Abiy has also started building statues to commemorate former persecutors of Tigrayan ethnic people, like Haile Selassie. One of the reasons why Abiy is systematically persecuting Tigrayans is so he can get the support of Amhara extremists & former Derg members/supporters.
Even though Abiy Ahmed Ali was a minister before he became a prime-minister (where minister is the highest position of power below the prime-minster), Abiy Ahmed Ali started to selectively persecute Tigrayans who used to work for his government. He has also cracked down on Tigrayan politicians (from Tigray People's Liberation Front) with systematically selected charges, even though he have not questioned their boss prime-minister Hailemariam Desalegn (who is a Wolyata ethnic). Abiy's current close friend, former prime-minister Hailemariam Desalegn even recently met with the brutal dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam, as BBC News reported (Mengistu Haile Mariam's brutal regime is estimated to be responsible for the deaths of for up-to 2,000,000 Ethiopians). Other victims of Abiy Ahmed Ali are moderate Amhara ethnic politicians (and government-workers) who do not support his ethnic profiling & persecutions. Most of these moderate Amharas used to work alongside Tigray People's Liberation Front, as partners.
Abiy Ahmed Ali has ignored the Tigrayans' rallies of 2018 and he has set-up an unconstitutional commission (which undermines the 1975-1991 armed struggle of Tigrayan people for self determination and for the equality of all ethnic groups in present-day Ethiopia). Therefore, even opposition Tigrayan parties like Arena Tigray (who are running against Tigray People's Liberation Front on the upcoming election), came out and denounced Abiy's actions, just like Tigray People's Liberation Front denounced it. Arena Tigray said they are standing with Tigray People's Liberation Front on these matters since Abiy's actions are designed to provoke Tigrayans to going to war (which is a war Tigrayans do not want). Tigray region's state-parliament have also denounced Abiy's unconstitutional commission with full vote. Most Ethiopian Tigrayans believe that Abiy Ahmed Ali is planning strategies for even more ethnic cleansing against them, above the ones that were already committed against Tigrayans in Amhara region (on 2018 & on 2019).
Hi all, please be specific on the section you want improved instead of deleting everything I wrote.
Kind regards,
Truth gatekeeper (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
The first sentence is nonsense, there were inhabitants of the area before the Tigrayans, it seems only there to make a point. The whole paragraph is about their history so doesn't belong.
I can't figure out how you sourced the 2nd paragraph, please give the quotes that back "is likely to have been as a result of Haile Selassie's suppression and systematic persecution against non-Amhara"
I'm ignoring the 3rd for now as I have no time, but the source for the 4th paragraph simply doesn't back the accusations which are made as statement of fact.
The fourth paragraph is full of your personal opinion and it is a clear violation of BLP policy and repeating it is likely to get you topic banned. The first sentence starts with editorial comment, the Reuters source doesn't back the text and you left out "Now many leading Tigrayans are being detained or sidelined as reformist prime minister, Abiy Ahmed attempts to draw a line under past abuses", your comment about building statues is original research, as is the last sentence. The rest is just as bad but I'm running out of time. Doug Weller talk 16:54, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
References
- "TheGuardian, "Shadow falls over Ethiopia reforms as warnings of crisis go unheeded"".
- "Reuters, "Ethnic unrest tarnishes new Ethiopian leader's reforms"".
- Levine, Donald. Greater Ethiopia: The Evolution of a Multiethnic Society. University of Chicago Press. p. 18. Retrieved 28 December 2016.
- "Bahru Zewde, , p. 196. "A History of Modern Ethiopia: 1855–1974"".
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- Young 2006, p. 132. sfn error: no target: CITEREFYoung2006 (help)
- "Peter Gill, page.43 "Famine and Foreigners: Ethiopia Since Live Aid"".
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(help) - "Dawit Wolde Giorgis, "Red Tears: War, Famine, and Revolution in Ethiopia"".
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- "International Organization for Migration, "Ethiopia: Displacement Tracking Matrix (DTM) Tigray Region, Round 14: November – December 2018 – Summary of Key Findings"".
- "TigraiOnline, "Dr Abiy Ahmed's audacious move to rehabilitate perpetrator of genocide"".
- "TigraiOnline, "Dr Abiy Ahmed's calamitous odyssey approaching its climax"".
- "AfricaNews, "Ethiopia PM conducting political, ethnic witch-hunt – Tigray chair"".
- "Reuters, " 'Nobody will kneel': Tigrayans defiant as Ethiopian leader cracks down"".
- "AfricaNews, " Ethiopia PM's crackdown targeting Tigrayans – Ex-Minister"".
- "Tigrai-Online, " Do you have full confidence in Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed Ali to lead Ethiopia?"".
- "AfricaNews, " Ethiopia's Tigray region plans 'Respect the Constitution' rally"".
- "Ethiopian News Agency, "African Union Unveils Emperor Haile Selassie I Statue"".
- "EcadForum, "H.I.M. Haile Selassie Restored to Honor by the African Union"".
- "BBC-News, "Why a photo of Mengistu has proved so controversial"".
- "BBC-News, "አረና ብሄራዊ የአንድነት መንግሥት እንዲቋቋም ጥሪ አቀረበ የሚሉና ሌሎች አጫጭር ዜናዎች"".
- "TigraiOnline, "Ethiopian members of parliament were coerced to approve illegal bill damaging the constitution and Ethiopia"".
- "TigraiOnline, "THE GOD THAT WEPT "".
Ethnic cleansing
"Most Ethiopian Tigrayans believe that Abiy Ahmed Ali is planning strategies for even more ethnic cleansing against them, above the ones that were already committed against Tigrayans in Amhara region (on 2018 & on 2019)."
This is a very serious charge and you don't have sufficent reliable sources making the claim. In fact your first source, the BBC, doesn't even mention it.
You also distort what sources say, eg you write "As an international news media (The Guardian) first leaked and reported on 14-March-2019, Abiy's new government is doing organised ethnic cleansing" while what the Guardian actually said is "But gruesome reports of lynchings, rapes and beheadings, and of complicity among local officials, police and militia, makes it seem more like organised ethnic cleansing than an ordinary tribal clash."
You say in the same paragraph that he's going this to glorify his administration, yet the source says "As for Abiy himself, his gravest sin seems to be one of omission." Sure, it also says "The more cynical aid workers I spoke to suggested he and those around him simply want to “erase” the issue of displaced people before it spoils the new administration’s international image." but the way you put it makes it sound as a fact backed by the Guardian, leaving out what the Guardian actually said.
I've reverted your edits today. I'll also give you an alert about an Arbitration decision. Doug Weller talk 12:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doug Weller, Thank you for your comments, but you the BBC link says it is an act to provoke Tigryans into going to war (which is a war Tigryans don't want). Furthermore, Tigrayans have in different occasions said Abiy Ahmed is planing horrible out come for them (such as the ethnic cleansing committed on them on Ahmara region, which the new Amhara region president seem to admit the once already committed in his first speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=3srHEMhDrI8).
I can give you many sources that say future such horrible plans are the fear of Tigryans:-
- Former Ethiopian Chief of General Staff, General Tsadkan Gebretensae's full interview with Walta (an Ethiopian state run media):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZnU9q5DQNs
- And in many places, on DmtsiWeyane which is around a 40 year old media run by the Tigray People's Liberation Front:- http://www.dmtsiweyane.com
- Even yesterday's message from deputy head of Tigray People's Liberation Front:- the https://www.facebook.com/dimtsiweyane/photos/a.804034293028082/2083558255075673/?type=3&theater
Most of the places are not suitable to reference since they are on YouTube and FaceBook.
About "distorting what is said", I don't believe I have done so. Given I have heard a lot of interviews with victims, read different reliable posts, and conversations. I believe I did not distort anything, however I agree The Gardian does not back it fully. I have a language barrier also since English is not my first language. It would be better if you could improve it instead of revering everything. Furthermore, I was still working on it just before you reverted it (as you can see the history). The article as it was before I started working on it was not neutral (it was more of a propaganda for Abiy Ahmed), I believe it is better to make it neutral by adding different all views.
Kind regards, Truth gatekeeper (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Provoking Tigryans into war is hardly the same as "planning strategies for even more ethnic cleansing". We can improve some things, and one editor is trying, but we cannot "improve" 15k of poorly sourced, not-neutrally written, and POV/argumentative material. Drmies (talk) 14:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- I have removed the link to this PDF of the Peter Gill book: I doubt that Oxford UP allows its books to be hosted on other websites. That someone stole it and put it on the internet doesn't mean it's OK. I also removed an Amazon link or two--no spam, please. Drmies (talk) 14:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC),
Hello all and Drmies, again thank you for your comments. However, some of your comments are not proper, like about Amazon & spamming (I refer you to the talk https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Truth_gatekeeper#Please_don't_change_citations_to_add_Amazon_links ). I have no interest from spam or Amazon.
About "ethnic cleansing":- you only have to connect the dots, if there were ethnic cleansing done already in Amhara region, and if Abiy is moving the boards to including Tigrayan inhabited districts into Ahmara region (while they are in fear of being killed gain like in 2018 & 2019) then you can conclude. There have been over 70,000 Tigrayans that were displaced or barbarically killed on 2018 and 2019 (source on this already included in the article, and widely available all over the internet). However, I have removed that line about Tigryans being in fear of ethnic cleansing.
You probably read that Abiy was nominated for Noble peace prize this year for making peace with Eritrea (like over 300 are nominated every-year), and thought he is a saint, and that my writing is not neutral. But unless you understand the Tigrayan & their Tigray region issue (which is the part of Ethiopia bordered with Eritrea), you don't have the full picture. Like I said earlier, the article as it was before I started working on it was not neutral (it was more of a propaganda for Abiy Ahmed), I believe it is better to make it neutral by adding different views, instead of just the praises. I am working on the Critics section, so I am obviously writing what the critics are saying all over the media. The real POV issue is as it was before I started with it. For now,
- I have improved the argumentative comment you gave last time.
- I will look into with the issue of the Peter Gill book.
Kind regards, Truth gatekeeper (talk) 15:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- You can never, ever connect the dots. That's original research. I don't think he's a saint, but that doesn't excuse all your policy violations. Doug Weller talk 16:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
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March 2019
Your recent editing history at Abiy Ahmed shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bishonen | talk 15:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello all and Bishonen, thank your for your alert and comment. However, I always discuss my point in the Talk before reverting (changing content back). Furthermore, not only do I discuss in the talk, but I always fix the original issue that was the cause for my contribution to be reverted. I always take into consideration the editor's comment, and either explain why I did what I did, or follow the editor's comment and fix the issue. Sometimes, the editor may not be specific on the problem so it might come back on my revert even though I fixed the once the editor specifically mentioned.
Kind regards, Truth gatekeeper (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Timesink
@Drmies, Bishonen, and Acroterion: at Raya Azebo, Kobo (woreda), Addi Arkay (woreda), Tsegede, Sanja (woreda), Alamata (woreda), Welkait, Welkait and Abiy Ahmed he has filled the articles with BLP and NPOV violations, misrepresentation of sources, original research and editorial comment, etc. Despite at times appearing to listen, my experience is that he continues to show the same problems and I do not believe that this is likely to change. He's also editing articles that no one else seems to have recently edited except for User:BushelCandle who seems to have given up the struggle.
He also appears to be agenda driven editor, which is probably the cause of many of his policy violations (although I think lack competence is an equally important issue). I've tried to comment above with some examples. And just look at the lead for Addi Arkay (woreda). Something needs to be done, no one has time to fix all these errors and somehow stop new ones being added. He even seems to have created a new successor to the Kingdom of Aksum, a Tigray state. I'm not sure which is worse, his BLP errors are probably the most egregious but the others run close behind. Doug Weller talk 09:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- I've checked it out, including the warnings on this page, and I don't think there is any topic ban that would cover all the problems. I have blocked indefinitely per the information below. Truth gatekeeper, note that you can appeal this block and get an uninvolved admin to review it by following the instructions in the yellow box below. Bishonen | talk 11:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC).
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@Drmies, Bishonen, and Acroterion: Hello all, * @Doug Weller from the religious point of view you can consider Tigray region (state) of Ethiopia as the successor of Kingdom of Axum (even though power have shifted to different cities in Ethiopia, throughout time). Kingdom of Axum & its capital city Axum was where Christianity first came/started in Africa (in a form of Orthodox Christianity). For example the Ark of the Covenant & Orthodox Christianity have have continuously existed from Kingdom of Axum time to Tigray region/state (where Tigray region is the most Christian region in Ethiopian, with over 96% of its population Orthodox Christians). The Ark of the Covenant artifact has existed in the city of Axum from Kingdom of Axum's time, to Tigray region time today, and it has been guarded by a one monk-man temple/church in Axum for almost 2000 years; where each monk-man succeeds each-other upon death (regardless of it being the real Ark of the Covenant or not). Showing continuity by religion (not by power); even though it was not kings who succeeded each-other from Kingdom of Axum to Tigray region, instead they are monk-man who guard the most holy artifact in Ethiopian (according to most Christians), who succeeded each-other for around 2000 years (for the sake of guarding, e.t.c...). Obviously, Tigray region's capital-city is not Axum rather Mekelle, so I did not mislead. (Axum is now one town/city in Tigray region, but still the center of its religion). Even though I did not write this anywhere in Misplaced Pages, one can even say "Axum is still the religion-capital of Tigray region/state (& modern day Ethiopia), like it has been for thousands of years ". Above all this, I never blatantly wrote in Misplaced Pages that "Kingdom of Aksum's successes is Tigray state"; so @User:Doug Weller, with all due respect, please rethink your comment. * You said I have to break the three-revert rule to be blocked, which I was careful not to, and which I did not. * Time will tell who is the POV, you are just blinded by the media which will at sometime probably shift its view. The fact that someone is nominated for Nobel peace prize (like over 300 are nominated every-year), does not mean that person is a saint. Any member of Parliament, professor, leader can nominate anyone. * You made the most of the articles worse (in terms of POV) by reverting my edits. * I always correct the specific comment you give, before editing again. However, you know blame me for not listening for some of your blurred/guessed comment. I believe you make blurred comments/feedback since you are not sure. However, at every specific comment/feedback you give, I have always fixed the point you give. * One of you made a comment about my username, but my username was just meant to imply I only want the truth, instead of propaganda and misleads. Kind regards, Truth gatekeeper (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Based on this request and what I have seen, I don't see much benefit to this project in unblocking you at this time. I don't see any understanding of the reasons for the block. You do not have to break the three revert rule to be blocked for edit warring; three reverts is a bright line, but you can be blocked with fewer reverts if it is felt necessary. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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- You've confirmed that you don't understand the problem. I'll deal with your name first. It suggests that you know the truth, presumably about everything Tigray related. No one can, and those who think they do are rarely good editors. For instance, you state as a fact that theArk of the Covenant is in Axum, despite the fact that the Ark of the Covenant article doesn't claim it's real and gives at least 8 possible locations if it is real. We can't have editors who make such statements as though were were accepted fact. You didn't literally write that Tigray was Aksum's succesor, you wrote "Tsegede historically has always been part of the old Tigray state (and before that, it was part of Kingdom of Axum". That is saying that there was a Tigray state that was the successor to the kingdom of Axum so far as I'm concerned. You've changed your argument a bit, saying that "from the religious point of view you can consider Tigray region (state) of Ethiopia as the successor of Kingdom of Axum". You write about an "ancient Tigray state" with another editor, User:Greyjoy, reverted. It seems to be this nonexistent ancient state that you were arguing was the successor to Axum although you haven't mentioned it here, just using your "connect the dots" to make an argument. No one said you had to break 3RR to be blocked, by the way. I'm tired of spending time correcting the problems you create, and will not support an unblock. I wrote this before your request was denied, by the way, but that denial caused an edit conflict. Doug Weller talk 16:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
March 2019
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. Bishonen | talk 11:45, 20 March 2019 (UTC)