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Dr. Rick Rigsby’s commencement address. I hope you will listen to it before you comment here.

When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. All the pain is felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid.

People who confuse the words "burro" and "burrow" don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

I don’t know how much I don’t know because there’s no way to gage how much I don’t know when I don’t know what it is I don’t know, so stop telling me I should've known.
There has to be some merit to “ignorance is bliss"

"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing. You figure, the snake hasn't bitten anybody yet, so you just let him crawl around on the factory floor. We need to build an environment where the first guy who sees the snake kills it." ~Ross Perot

To say it in WikiVoice, or not??

While this list of sources is really good and does establish "commonly used by reliable sources" I think we should additionally ask ourselves - what added benefit is there to Misplaced Pages saying it "in our own voice" as against simply reporting in a neutral manner that it is common for his comments to be described as racist.

As of this moment, we are engaging in what I think is admirable short-term restraint. We say in the lede "He has a history of making controversial comments." That's fine as far as it goes, because 'controversial comments' is true, and is neither positive nor negative as an evaluation. Sometimes controversial comments are good, sometimes they are bad. Fine. But we are at the same time here being too cautious, I think, in that we fail to inform the reader as to why the comments are controversial. Is he saying things that might be controversial in Iowa like "Gay marriage should be legal" or "Marijuana prohibition has done more harm than good"? No, actually. So I think we should cautiously say something like "He has a history of making comments that have commonly been referred to as racist." Well, maybe 9 footnotes is excessive, but you see my point. We have more than enough to make the point that the reader needs to know, and I think the point is stronger than if we simply say, in our own voice, that he has a history of making racist comments. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 9:57 am, 19 June 2018, Tuesday (19 days ago) (UTC−5)

To include it in a BLP, or not??

BLPs wherein a subject's work, beliefs or ideologies are perhaps more controversial than the actual subject, should not become focused on bolstering and subsequently refuting the subject's views or theories rather than actually defining the subject. In many cases this may in fact be due to the subject trying to push their own ideas, while others work diligently to refute them, but many such cases involve editors who have no affiliation with the subject other than a personal belief/disbelief in their work. A person's biography is not a good place to debate scientific theory or ideological beliefs; such debates belong in the articles that focus on those topics. For BLPs, it is enough to simply state what their views are and link to the articles which expand on those views.
(quote by Zaereth edited for brevity; Jimbo Wales agreed with Zaereth’s explanation.)

Politics, presidents and NPOV

I'd like to add that I don't mind a little bit of personal chit-chat here about politics, I'd like to always seek to tie it back to Misplaced Pages. We have chosen a very tough job: NPOV. Dislike for the President, fear about things that are happening in the world, may make it emotionally harder to remain neutral, but remain neutral we must. I happen to personally think that given the decline in quality of the media across the board (there are still fantastic journalists out there, but overall the landscape isn't great) the best way for us to help the world heal is neutrality.-- Jimbo Wales (talk)] 3:12 pm, 8 January 2019, Tuesday (UTC−6)

• For better digestion, I drink beer.
• For appetite loss, I drink white wine.
• If my blood pressure is too low, I drink red wine.
• For high blood pressure, I drink scotch.
• When I have a cold, I drink schnapps.”
  

My friend asked, “When do you drink water?”

I replied, “I’ve never been that sick.”

When I was young, I decided to enroll in medical school.
On the entrance exam, we were asked to unscramble the letters...

PNEIS

...to form the name of an important human body part that is most useful when erect. The students who answered SPINE are doctors today, and the rest of us are editing Misplaced Pages.

Four worms were placed in 4 separate test tubes:

• 1st in beer
• 2nd in wine
• 3rd in whiskey
• 4th in mineral water
  

The next day, the teacher shows the results:

• The 1st worm in beer - dead.
• The 2nd in wine - dead.
• The 3rd in whiskey - dead.
• The 4th in mineral water - alive and in good health.
  

The teacher asks the class:

• What did you learn from this experience?
  

A student responds:

• Whoever drinks beer, wine and whiskey does not have worms.

• ...sarcasm burned calories.
• ...you knew, you would know.
• ...closed minds came with closed mouths.
• ...mosquitos sucked fat instead of blood.
• ...the good died young, we'd be here forever.
• ...my teeth were as white as my legs.
• ...more people were fluent in silence.

Hiker to park ranger, "Ranger, how does one survive a bear attack?"

Ranger replies, Easy...remove the "f" from the word "way".

Hiker responds, "There's no "f" in "way".

Ranger replies, "Exactly."

• It is much easier to ride a horse in the direction it is going. ~Abraham Lincoln

• It gets late early out there. ~Yogi Bera

• There comes a time on Misplaced Pages when it's important to know when to stop arguing with editors, and simply let them be wrong.

• Nodding the head does not row the boat. — Irish Proverb

• Make haste slowly. —Kikkoman

• Be who you are, say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. — Bernard Baruch

• Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." —Randy Pausch

• I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. ~ Blaise Pascal

• Knowledge should be fun so don't take the fun out of fundamental.

• Patience is a virtue. Give karma a chance.

• I may not be young enough to know everything, but I'm old enough to not believe everything.

• What border? Oh, that one. Nah...not a problem - open borders.

• A tip for longevity: Never believe the impossible can't happen to you.

• “It is well known that human choices are affected by the way in which a question is phrased.” ~ Benedetto de Martino

Who punched the spike?

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Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Misplaced Pages Editor Retention Project)

User:Adityavagarwal submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

It is my immense pleasure to nominate Atsme, a highly prolific veteran editor and one of the best contributors to Misplaced Pages. She is an editor who totally deserves this award and, in fact, it was very astounding that she has not received it yet. She has created 43 articles and provided 84 Images to enhance WikiPedia. She is a proud member of the WP Response Team, the Guild of Copy Editors and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Horse racing. There are countless reasons to nominate her, but the best reason would be: "Writing or significantly expanding articles on a regular basis". A visit to her talk page is filled with humor and enjoyably fun. She has immensely contributed to a wide array of animal species in addition to other articles on monuments (American paddlefish, Faisalabad, bowfin, loham, and the Taj Mahal as well as several others). I would therefore strongly advocate that she be adorned with this award!

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Good Karma

Atsme

Editor of the Week for the week beginning February 17, 2019

One of the best contributors to Misplaced Pages, she has created 43 articles and provided 84 Images. A member of WP Response Team, the Guild of Copy Editors and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Horse racing. A talk page filled with humor and enjoyably fun.

Recognized for

writing or significantly expanding articles on a regular basis

Notable work(s)

American paddlefish, Faisalabad, Taj Mahal

Submit a nomination

Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 15:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations. --Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

... this is such an honor ... I am humbled over the recognition, and feel blessed with the good fortune of having collaborated with some extraordinary past recipients of this memorable award. Such recognition is very much appreciated - thank you Adityavagarwal, Buster7 and Emir of Misplaced Pages - but I must admit that I feel a bit guilty over being rewarded for something I truly love doing...uhm, but not guilty enough to not display it on my user page. 📣 📧 16:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Well done, Atsme. It's not just your Talk page that's "filled with humor and enjoyably fun". You have a great sense of humor and that's really appreciated. Great article work too, of course! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Congrats from me too! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:12, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Martin and Tryp...without your comedic minds and contributing wit, I would have no humor. Quite frankly, I was taken aback when I first saw the award - I had recently read this Op-ed by Kudz - but then I recognized the names involved here and with a big sigh of relief, I started running a marathon. It was a great way to start the day! In fact, Happy Hour came much earlier than usual as a result, and it's showing promise as an all-nighter. 🥂 🍾 😜  📣 📧 22:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I somehow missed the entire mess described in that op-ed, but now that I've seen it, I could use a drink myself. Not good. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Tryp - exactly, and the reason for the link I added to "marathon". 😊 📣 📧 14:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I am of the crowd that says I would have thought you had received this honor already. Well then, justice is now served as I can think of no one who deserves it more at this time. Congratulations! It is from a handful of editors that include you from which I have improved my editing skills since I got here a bit over two years ago. Very well deserved indeed. dawnleelynn 00:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

dawnleelynn ❤️ 📣 📧 00:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Very well deserved! A little late, but congrats!! Horsegeek 02:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Horsegeek

Thank you, Horsegeek - ❤️ 📣 📧 02:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Every week for fuck knows how long you have been a colleague, you have been editor of the week, with your wit, gentle toughness (don't fuck with Atsme) and enormous body of contributions. Lurve your style, lurve you for being you. Honest and gutsy, with your own compass. Oh and being a confident and strong woman, without needing any 'ism' or 'ist' label. You are you. Respect Simon Adler (talk) 05:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Wow, Simon! My TP edit banner must be doing its job. I was awestruck reading your words..admittedly with a momentary pause at "enormous body" thinking maybe a punchline was forthcoming. (sidenote: the words on the back of my t-shirt when touring astride the Suzi: "Does this bike make my ass look fast?") Anyway, humor aside, the real me was blushing. I'm delighted that our interactions have always been with mutual respect and admiration. ❤️  📣 📧 14:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations ! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
• Congratulations, and interesting, with the karma embellishment. North America 14:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear colleague Atsme,

I was very pleased with your words of encouragement. I live in South America, but I travel a little on this beautiful continent. You're right. Editing articles about South America was the way I found to know and publish information about South America.

Bye,

marcelo melo (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome, Marcelo. _Talk 📧 16:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Talkback

Replied. And the edit. ∯WBG 16:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Y _Talk 📧 12:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:AFD

An article you created or have contributed to has been nominated for deletion
Like, it's April Fools' Day today, you know? North America 09:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC) So...   Keep   on   keepin'   on!    North America 09:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Pretty crafty, NA1000. You caught me completely off guard. _Talk 📧 13:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

It worked! I put this together on the fly, sort of a weak layout, but yep, it is what it is. North America 15:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, Anna Frodesiak...speaking of Articles for Death Deletion, I found this golden bit of information that would be an excellent accompaniment for the prune juice article. You may not give a flying flip about it, but what better day than today to start moving on it? _Talk 📧 16:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Beautiful picture

I added a beautiful picture of me to your userpage. You are welcome!--MONGO (talk) 17:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Only a 500 lb. gorilla could get away with that, as you well know. Me thinks maybe you need a shave. Oh, and I'm going to let it sit there until tomorrow...or at least until I can come up with a proper smartass reply. _Talk 📧 20:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Some might say it's an April Fools joke, but...its really me! And...I did shave!--MONGO (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Is this my queue to tell jokes about the Farmer's daughters...?? _Talk 📧 23:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Damn...never heard that one told that way. That's funny.--MONGO (talk) 23:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sturgeon

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sturgeon you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Y - thank you, Chiswick Chap. _Talk 📧 19:13, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

In a spare moment I've blitzed the article to implement a good portion of my comments. Brilliant user/talk pages, btw. It's Easter shortly (happy bunnies, etc) - what is your timetable for this GAN? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, CC - wow! That's one blitz that really helped. Now that I've finished Cherry juice, I'll get on top of the GA. Should have it finished by today. _Talk 📧 13:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Your AE comment

• . I saw a lot of disputes like that. In Russian society that could be a discussion if "Crimea is ours", etc. This is not at all about "left" and "right" and even not about "politics". This is about two things: (a) moral values of participants in discussion, and (b) purely practical issues (for example, tax laws, state budget or government shutdown affect directly a lot of people). My very best wishes (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Interesting perspective. Thanks for stopping by Mvbw. _Talk 📧 15:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, I just wanted to say that your comment was unhelpful. Personally, I do not see "AP2 fiasco" or "hatred" by any contributors. But regardless, if you see a problem (I do not see it), you are expected to suggests a solution, with appropriate justification on appropriate noticeboard. Otherwise, others are going to follow your example and expose themselves to potential sanctions for Misplaced Pages:Casting aspersions. My very best wishes (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

We all have a POV, and now I know yours. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps this essay will prove more helpful. _Talk 📧 19:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I do not think your AE comment had anything to do with my biases. But, yes, I do have a problem with understanding US politics, perhaps because of my background. For example, I understand why Russians "vote" for Putin or Ukrainians will vote for Zelensky. But I can not understand why so many Americans voted (and will vote) for the current president. Even though I do have friends and even relatives who voted for him. My very best wishes (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I doubt some of the people who voted for him even know that answer. It could be generational, or simply frustration with career politicians and lobbyists, and/or the failures of big government on a global scale? There is a wide gap between the needs of suburbanites/ruralites vs urbanites on both coasts which certainly played a role. I also believe public vs private education may have been instrumental as was gender. Check out the demographics/voting profiles at PEW. As a sidebar, I'll just mention that I was a bit dismayed over what I read in a Wikileaked email from Bill Ivey to John Podesta wherein the following statement caught my attention (my bold for emphasis):

Secretary Clinton is not an entertainer, and not a celebrity in the Trump, Kardashian mold; what can she do to offset this? I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.

There's also the issue of MSM's 90% negativity which appears to have backfired on them and created a lot of distrust, perhaps more so now after the Mueller investigation found there was no collusion. One last thought - it's hard to convince people that higher taxes = a better life for them (the working middle class), or that government needs to control health care. I imagine Americans have seen how things are going in the UK and Canada. That's all I've got as an explanation at this point. I try not to think too much about politics but when I do, my focus is on NPOV first and foremost, BLP, RS, RECENTISM, NEWSORG, MOS and copy editing, and of course, using common sense to know when to deploy IAR. Hope that helps. _Talk 📧 19:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Personally, I could not care less if someone was a celebrity, a professional politician, or even a republican. What matters for me is what kind of person he/she is, and what are the views and ideas by the candidate. Yes, that's a nice chart. It tells that the president has been elected mostly by poorly educated older white men. About health care in US, the problem is the lack of market system (you do not know how much the services cost in different hospitals and can not choose), but surprisingly, Trump administration was working to fix it... Personally, I also do not mind to increasing the taxes. Main problem I think the state budget: they fund war, rather than education, science and technology. My very best wishes (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I've got a ton of Flickr files to upload to Commons, is there an automatic or at least-semi automatic way to do it?

And then just add categories or something.

Or someone being a bit of a weirdo who likes to do it manually, because I sure don't. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, there is a pretty easy way to upload them if they all have the same license. Talk to the Wizard - there is a "share images from Flickr" button on that page. It should be pretty simple. _Talk 📧 20:13, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

So I heard, but I just really can't see it anywhere. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, it's https://tools.wmflabs.org/flickr2commons/#/ apparently. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

How did you get there? Click on this link or does it bring up the link you just added? _Talk 📧 20:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The mystery "alternative upload methods" link. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sturgeon

The article Sturgeon you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sturgeon for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the wonderful job you did, CC. As always, it was a pleasure working with you. It is now a DYK nom. _Talk 📧 18:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Likewise. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Congrats! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

(Any caviar on the menu? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC))

Ahhh...caviar!! Back when I did the field production for "The Paddlefish: An American Treasure" (FF to about 5:04), I worked closely with Missouri Dept. of Conservation biologists, a few game wardens, and 2 USF&WS special agents who had worked undercover in a sting operation to bust a ring of poachers who were illegally using gill nets to catch paddlefish in the Missouri River (they received prison sentences). Paddlefish roe closely resembles the roe of sevruga sturgeon, 2nd only to beluga which sells for about $129/oz. They helped me reenact the bust, and also helped setup the scene to demonstrate how poachers made caviar in a garage or wherever, and then sold the tins fraudulently labeled "Sevruga caviar" into the black market. For the sake of brevity, I'll summarize by saying that after what I witnessed firsthand while shooting the caviar segment, I will never eat caviar again. On a slightly different topic, Virginia Tech contacted me to co-produce an educational outreach program with them about crayfish, "America's Crayfish: Crawling In Troubled Waters". During field production, I survived the smell of the raw sorting/processing segment without issue, but I will never, never eat crayfish tails, sliced, diced or in-tact. The tails do not taste like lobster tails - but that isn't the worst part - whenever I see boiled crawfish, I get flashbacks - not of the vividly colored, beautifully arranged dishes steaming with the savory smells of sweet corn and spicey Cajun food - no, all I can remember is my New Orleans born production assistant sucking the juice out of the heads of boiled crawfish. 🤢🤮 Bon appétit!!! _Talk 📧 23:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

"a ring of poachers": I didn't know that poaching eggs was, uh, like an actual occupation. North America 23:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, and they have a Lord of the Rings. 😊 _Talk 📧 23:57, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, if you caint eat caviar or crawfish, there's always frog's legs.. tastes just like chicken! North America 00:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes indeed!! I've spent many a night spearing bullfrogs for dinner but I will not clean them - someone else has to do that part. It's also a bit unnerving when the legs jump out of the frying pan. _Talk 📧 00:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a hoppin' good time. Better hop to it! North America 01:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm a little slow tonight NA1K - good thing poaching eggs only takes 3 minutes - maybe by Sunday I'll be hoppin'. I hear that's a good day for it. _Talk 📧 01:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

What's hoppenin? You know those legs are fresh when they're still hoppin' at you in the pan. North America 02:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

• Nice work on the Sturgeon article.--MONGO (talk) 00:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, MONGO - it's a mere pebble of sand on the vast beach of your FAs and GAs which are an inspiration. My next project is to create a map showing the global distribution for all 27 species per CC's suggestion. That will keep me busy for a while. _Talk 📧 00:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The mobile version is absurdly dysfunctional and horrible and it's bugging me so

And I don't even know where to go about it. Things including but not limited to navboxes not showing up at all (!), talk pages being inaccessible (!!!), block quotes appearing in HUGE FONTS instead of smaller-than-usual fonts in the normal (desktop) version, and more it's all so stupid and annoying for no reason and for I don't know how many years now. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 14:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

You're not alone in that regard. Is there not an option to change to desktop when you scroll down?? _Talk 📧 14:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but, you know, people (random users most of all) use it. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

There's a wishlist for WMF somewhere on this site. Maybe one of my tps know the address. I'll try to find it, too but they need to know that while it may work well for casual readers, it's pretty dysfunctional for editors. _Talk 📧 15:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

SNAAAAKE!! - start here. _Talk 📧 16:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh god, just a quick look at all this bureaucracy was enough to chase me away. What's annoying me most is the issue of completely absurd quotation font size and this should be really quickly fixed by making it even simply the standard font size - not even smaller like on desktop, I don't really care, just not this giant size. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Also just look at for example https://en.wikipedia.org/Avalon wheere I used different quotation styles (different for the "here lies Arthur" that has a larger font) - and compare with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Avalon where just everything is huge without a difference. It's so stupid, why would anyone do it. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Another issue I just though about Talk:Plastic Keys to Paradise - as in my comments there, but I think everyone else who commented (no matter their views or beliefs) will agree on just that the article should be arranged to be completely rewritten or just deleted (not salted, just because it's so damn awful). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Capture screen images of the issues you're encountering on your mobile device and submit them to Village Pump Tech. They may know some workarounds besides switch to desktop view. Oh, and check in your WP Preferences under Gadgets and Beta to make sure you don't have something turned on (or not turned on) that may help. With regards to anything political or religious in nature like the article you referenced above, my suggestion is for you to not even read such articles on WP because you will be tempted to engage. There are so many other areas where your talents are needed. What about the architectural styles during medieval times, and the story/legends behind gargoyles and similar building garnishments? _Talk 📧 18:15, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

It's not about my preferences, it's about my work looking entirely not as I intended for many many people (maybe most, as apparently most people use mobile, which is not surprising as it's automatically showing up on a phone from a search engine). The Iran keys article - someone needs to entirely rewrite (and rename) it, or it has to be deleted and it's not even going to be controversial. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, Ok so you're saying that changing your preferences has no effect on the way you see your work (not even browser prefs?), so the same applies to others using mobile devices. Hmmm...the developers of my website made it so that the desktop view and mobile view are compatible. I think they succeeded. I imagine WP is using an entirely different markup that makes it more complex in its simplicity and by doing so, it does not allow for compatibility between the two different views. It is my understanding that WMF is working on a cure but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Can you write code? _Talk 📧 19:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

No, I mean it's not about me, it's all about randoms watching these articles on their phones. I hoped you'd maybe get them work on fixing the horrid mobile version that was made so awful for just no reason whatsoever. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I understand but it's not that simple to get changes/updates made. You'll be happy to know the techs are working on it but you also saw the multiple layers of bureaucracy we have to peel back in order to get the tools we need. I wish we could make it go faster but having said that...you can spit in one hand, and wish in the other and see which hand fills the fastest. That's just the way it is, I'm afraid. _Talk 📧 22:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

alligator gar

Perhaps it is you who should take an English class so you can tell the subject of a sentence then match the verb to it. I see you like stray capitals and other errors, too.75.111.203.5 (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Seriously, if you diagram the sentence, you will find that "evidence" is the subject, so requires a singular verb "suggests".75.111.203.5 (talk) 23:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I thought maybe you would understand the above, and not consider my reversions as edit warring.75.111.203.5 (talk) 02:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Nope - you were edit warring and changing the context of important information. Productive collaboration is always welcome, especially if an editor shows up to improve or expand a GA. You may have thought your grammar corrections were corrections, and that your other wikignoming attempts were productive, but they were not as I explained on the article TP. _Talk 📧 19:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your kind words at WP:AE. It's now closed with a partial lifting of my topic ban. --David Tornheim (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I believe in 2nd chances and remain optimistic that you will take advantage of your's in the most productive way. _Talk 📧 13:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

The inmates are running the asylum!

See this for the truth or merely sour grapes venting--MONGO (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

😂 - I think we have a new tool bar in edit mode. My emoji console is gone? Yikes! There's an autoformat feature with a broom that I've not seen before - not sure how it works. ???? _Talk 📧 01:55, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't use the emojis...I might if they had some more congruent with the mind of a hairy woodland beast. Like one of me ripping the arms off someone.--MONGO (talk) 13:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

He got a chance to do it "the right way". Was even able to use MediaWiki software and all Misplaced Pages content as a starting point to work from. It got a fair bit of press at launch time: Citizendium. Seems like it's had maybe 300 edits in the last month. We've had that many edits in the last 2 minutes. See, it turns out that all the distinguished, authoritative people are busy with their own work, while if you want people to donate work for free, you need to go to dedicated (and arguably somewhat insane) amateurs. --GRuban (talk) 15:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Passion, hobbies, causes, passionate hobbies, passionate causes...the basis for numerous multi-million dollar entities, some established under the guise of non-profit wherein wealthy executives reap the financial benefits of free labor, or to be PC, "volunteers". People will pay to work or contribute however they can to be part of whatever feeds their passion. On WP, when it stops being fun, we simply point them to WP:DGAF, and they either adapt or move on. In the interim, a new wave of passionate editors are being trained. 😂 _Talk 📧 16:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

--GRuban (talk) 21:28, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

- good'un GR...annnd as things are now, we have true income equality. Why spoil it? _Talk 📧 23:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Recent edits about IQ researchers

Atsme, could you please take a look at Grayfell's recent edits to the Michael A. Woodley of Menie, Yr. and IQ and Global Inequality articles, particularly and ?

The WorldCat page for the book in the first edit is here: Even if WorldCat is wrong about who the publisher is, it looks like original synthesis to mention these things unless a source has made these criticisms about these particular books. On the talk page of the Linda Gottfredson article, Grayfell repeatedly argued that sources must be specifically about the article's subject in order to be included, and I don't see why a different standard should be applied to these other articles than to that one. 2600:1004:B146:8795:CC3:2982:1826:61BB (talk) 21:30, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure where is the right place to say this, but I suppose I'll say it here seeing as I've already opened this section.

I have been in communication with a few of the living people who are subjects of the articles Grayfell is editing, as well as some of their colleagues, and at least one person has been harmed in real life earlier this year as a consequence of Grayfell's actions. At this point, the harm he is causing to people's careers is known to several researchers studying human intelligence, and that's the reason so many I.P.s have been editing these articles over the past few months. Most of us don't have have any direct relation to the article subjects (I don't), but we also can't stand idly by and watch this happen to our colleagues, and among those of us who have Misplaced Pages entries, there also is the fear that he may eventually do the same thing to us.

Based on the earlier discussions on the Linda Gottfredson article, my impression is that Misplaced Pages policy does not actually support the changes Grayfell is making, but he is so determined and so prolific that the majority of his changes are impossible to prevent. This failure to uphold policy represents a serious problem for Misplaced Pages. Since "Grayfell" is just a pseudonym (and legal threats also are prohibited on Misplaced Pages), the academics affected by his actions have no legal recourse, and must rely on Misplaced Pages's internal policies to protect them. I know that the subject of one of these articles made a complaint to the Wikimedia Foundation's legal team a few months ago, but he never received a reply, so the only way to prevent possible harm to ourselves seems to be by asking on talk pages like this one for policy to be upheld.

@DGG: @Randykitty: both of you participated in the earlier discussions on the Gottfredson article, and your input there helped. Is there anything more that could be done to address this overall situation? I am looking for a long-term solution, not just something that will address the problem on one article while he makes similar changes to several others. 2600:1004:B15E:1D82:80C6:D940:5A32:BE4A (talk) 06:00, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

April 2019

Regarding this comment... aside from the failure to assume good faith, which I suspect I don't need to explain to you, allow me to break down the first few sentences:

• If it's true that the wall of text above is not stonewalling/filibustering, then (a) stop the PAs against me, (b) restore the Barr material that was wrongfully reverted or provide a logical explanation why it shouldn't be restored, (c) update this article to reflect what the Mueller Report revealed, (d) stop referring to the DOJ's spying/surveillance/intelligence as a "conspiracy theory", and (e) change the lead to reflect a NPOV.

I think this can be fairly summarized as: If it's true that ((you're not being disruptive)), then ((you must edit the article in such-and-such a way)). Did I get that wrong? If not, can you see how that inhibits consensus building? You're using accusations of bad faith as a leverage point to demand content changes. That's disruptive.

• As for my views about WP:RS, I'm not the one with the problem.

If I'm not mistaken, no one accused you of having a problem. That's unnecessary personalization.

• My views/interpretations are spot-on so put the gaslights away.

Paraphrase: I'm 100% right, so anyone who disagrees with me is acting in bad faith. Similar to the first sentence, you're using an accusation of bad faith (gaslighting) as leverage to get your way on content (your views/interpretations). Also, gaslighting is a very serious accusation. Was that really what you meant? R2 (bleep) 16:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

If you can't see what you're doing, there is nothing more I can say or do. If you were sincere about trying to collegial discuss/improve/update the article, we would be discussing revisions/reverts/updates/suggestions on the TP of that article. Instead, you have come here to further your gaslighting/stonewalling/PAs. I have nothing more to say to you. My TP is not the place to discuss article improvement. _Talk 📧 17:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, let's try again. If you make disruptive comments like that again then I will remove the embedded personal attacks and/or report you. R2 (bleep) 17:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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As someone who watches but does not edit the Spygate page, I do want to raise some concerns about your behavior there. (I haven't looked elsewhere). My specific concerns revolve around this thread, in particular your comment here. Aside from your combative tone, which, as R2 mentioned, boils down to a demand that other editors comply with your preferred content or else be labeled disruptive, there are the following specific issues:

• You repeatedly dismiss the reliability of sources and label them as biased based on links to mediabiasfactcheck.com. You should know that this website is itself unreliable, by widespread consensus, and should not be used in the assessment of sources on Misplaced Pages. It is basically Some Guy's Personal Website, and its reliability has consistently and roundly rejected by consensus at WP:RS/N (here and here; see also its entry at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources). Please don't continue to invoke this clearly unreliable source in discussions of source validity.
• You dismiss a news article from the Los Angeles Times as implicitly unreliable because of your perception of the newspaper's political orientation. As has been repeatedly explained, our policies state that "news reporting from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact". I'm not sure why you are unwilling to accept this policy, but it is disruptive to dispute the reliability of sources in ways that directly contradict site policy.

Your previous topic ban from American politics was based, in part, upon your habit of "repeatedly discrediting reliable sources; claiming bias and propaganda in reliable sources". Your topic ban was lifted in part because of your explicit assurance that you would no longer engage in such behavior. I'm bringing this here, rather than going to WP:AE to request re-imposition of the topic ban, because I think you can still pull back and start respecting this site's sourcing guidelines—even where they contradict your personal political views. Undermining reliable sources is harmful and disruptive, and I'm not willing to see it continue without addressing it. Do you see the grounds for my concern, or does it seem unfounded to you? MastCell  17:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks MastCell, I wasn't aware of Atsme's topic ban, nor of their (her?) successful appeal. It appears to me that Atsme's conduct here is exactly the type that led to her getting in hot water in the first place--not just the dismissal of reliable sources, but also the long-time persistent resistance to good advice. In addition to that, there were many comments about how the topic ban should be lifted because Atsme was so civil and friendly; yet she was most definitely not civil or friendly in this instance. I make this comment not not to shame or threaten, but to express shock that she would revert to behavior that's almost guaranteed to get her permanently topic banned, especially after she explained in her appeal how unpleasant the topic ban was while it was in place. R2 (bleep) 18:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

R2, why are you posting that boilerplate warning when its probably pretty obvious that Atsme is well aware of those DS? I have to say that you seem to be engaged in harassment at this point and I sure hope that ceases immediately. In case you are not aware, Harassment is defined by policy as: "Harassment is a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons. Usually (but not always), the purpose is to make the target feel threatened or intimidated, and the outcome may be to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine, frighten, or discourage them from editing. Misplaced Pages must never be misused to harass anyone, whether or not the subject of the harassment is an editor here. Edits constituting harassment will be reverted, deleted, or suppressed, as appropriate, and editors who engage in harassment are subject to blocking. Harassment can include actions calculated to be noticed by the target and clearly suggestive of targeting them, where no direct communication takes place" In other words, both here on her talkpage and elsewhere, comment on content not contributors. User:MastCell...you want to find whatever reason you can to get this editor topic banned again as you seem to have fought vigorously a couple months back to not allow her topic ban to be lifted, and were in fact very dedicated to that cause. If you cannot see the difference between a nonneutral source and what is a RS then I don't know what to do with you. Alas, its rather saddening that you would say she is calling these sources unreliable when you have repeatedly argued against another RS, FoxNews as being "unreliable", , , , , . MastCell, it is disappointing to an extreme that you would be lecturing Atsme for a violation that you yourself have done. Finally, Atsme, I think you should strike out your comments at the page in question and refrain from arguing against RS even though MastCell has done the very same thing. It is best you rise above their poor showing and send a strong signal that you are above their poor example.--MONGO (talk) 21:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

DS refreshes are required annually. Didn't read the rest of your attack. O3000 (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Nice to meet you too? I'm fairly confident I'm safe here. Please don't battleground. R2 (bleep) 22:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Try looking at the top of my TP - it was less than a year ago that the DS was added - repeated DS templates are actionable harassment. Both of you - O3000 & R2 - STAY OFF MY TP!! You are not welcome here. _Talk 📧 22:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't really care what you did or did not do "Objective O3000". I can tell you what you haven't done though, and that's write one substantive article, ever.--MONGO (talk) 22:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, he did write this though, I especially like this part, "I think the Holocaust deaths may have very well been exaggerated by some." Sir Joseph 23:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

• I'm posting my required notice that I've started a discussion at WP:ANI about this thread. The content of my post was simply, "Eyes needed there before things get out of hand." R2 (bleep) 22:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)