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	# - "POV COATRACK" - the source - a reliable source - clearly ties the two phenomena together. I clarified the language - - to reflect that the source ties this together - {{tq\|"another possible reason for the existence of the Zydki: It has to do with a newly published book in Poland that is creating an uproar similar to the one that Jan Gross’s book “Neighbors” elicited. The book, “Klucze i Kasa” (“Keys and Money”) details the ways in which Poles got rich off Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust – by plundering property that was left behind, charging exorbitant fees for hiding them, and so on. This may be another underlying reason for the Polish perception of Jews as a source of wealth – they literally enriched them. And paradoxically, their guilt feelings over this are being projected onto the Jews.}}.		# - "POV COATRACK" - the source - a reliable source - clearly ties the two phenomena together. I clarified the language - - to reflect that the source ties this together - {{tq\|"another possible reason for the existence of the Zydki: It has to do with a newly published book in Poland that is creating an uproar similar to the one that Jan Gross’s book “Neighbors” elicited. The book, “Klucze i Kasa” (“Keys and Money”) details the ways in which Poles got rich off Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust – by plundering property that was left behind, charging exorbitant fees for hiding them, and so on. This may be another underlying reason for the Polish perception of Jews as a source of wealth – they literally enriched them. And paradoxically, their guilt feelings over this are being projected onto the Jews.}}.
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			:The figurines do exist but they are not common, and as several sources note, they are a recent phenomenon. The source does NOT "tie two phenomena together". You do. It's a COATRACK for the whole disgusting and racist "Poles are anti-semities" POV into this article. You are, '''once again, using false edit summaries'''. My changes were explained, so why do you claim otherwise? WP:ONUS is on you to get consensus and these needs to stay out, also per ].] (]) 18:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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I reverted (keeping the constructive caption change, and modifying practice to imagery) as:

"nonesense" is not a rationale when multiple RSes - e.g. state "This stereotypical depiction is thus controversial, although it seems quite innocent next to the common and widespread phenomenon of the Zydki – the figures of a Jew holding a coin, thought to be a talisman that brings good fortune and wealth, which has overtaken nearly all other such depictions".
- " most likely a self promo" - reported in two independent RSes.
- " rmv POV, rmv gratuitous stereotyping and ethnic generalizations" - the author is an academic in a relevant field who sees the widespread stereotyping of Jews in Poland relevant to these figurines.
- "POV COATRACK" - the source - a reliable source - clearly ties the two phenomena together. I clarified the language - diff - to reflect that the source ties this together - "another possible reason for the existence of the Zydki: It has to do with a newly published book in Poland that is creating an uproar similar to the one that Jan Gross’s book “Neighbors” elicited. The book, “Klucze i Kasa” (“Keys and Money”) details the ways in which Poles got rich off Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust – by plundering property that was left behind, charging exorbitant fees for hiding them, and so on. This may be another underlying reason for the Polish perception of Jews as a source of wealth – they literally enriched them. And paradoxically, their guilt feelings over this are being projected onto the Jews..

Icewhiz (talk) 14:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

The figurines do exist but they are not common, and as several sources note, they are a recent phenomenon. The source does NOT "tie two phenomena together". You do. It's a COATRACK for the whole disgusting and racist "Poles are anti-semities" POV into this article. You are, once again, using false edit summaries. My changes were explained, so why do you claim otherwise? WP:ONUS is on you to get consensus and these needs to stay out, also per WP:REDFLAG.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Extreme POV

The article represents extreme POV and is very selective in use of sources.For example Erica Lehrer is quite positive about many aspects of these(cringy IMHO) lucky charms, and asks not to see them solely as negative.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

This is a new article. Lehrer doesn't disagree on this being antisemitic, in fact she agrees it is - "Dr Lehrer agreed that the figurines showing a Jew holding a coin drew on a long history of antisemitic imagery. "It's hard to cleanse the figurines of that no matter how positively some Poles say they intend this image to be. The idea of the moneyed Jew as a sinister character has deep roots in the Christian world." - - she does however believe that other aspects of this phenomena should be highlighted as well and that the figurines should be displayed from an ethnographic curatorial perspective. If you have sources to expand the article - all power to you. Icewhiz (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I added Lehrer. Icewhiz (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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