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Section sizes Section size for First presidency of Donald Trump (88 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 8,350 8,350 2016 election 3,481 3,481 Transition period, inauguration, and first 100 days 3,561 3,561 Administration 4,919 16,756 Cabinet 7,381 7,381 Dismissal of James Comey 4,456 4,456 Judicial appointments 4,726 8,973 Supreme Court nominations 4,247 4,247 Leadership style 6,947 55,923 False and misleading statements 11,460 11,460 Rule of law 11,592 11,592 Relationship with the news media 11,300 11,300 Twitter 14,624 14,624 Domestic affairs 92 249,011 Agriculture 2,302 2,302 Consumer protections 2,362 2,362 Criminal justice 7,025 12,926 Presidential pardons and commutations 1,732 1,732 Drug policy 3,025 3,025 Capital punishment 1,144 1,144 Disaster relief 182 10,931 Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria 8,577 8,577 California wildfires 2,172 2,172 Economy 14,311 34,135 Taxation 6,587 6,587 Trade 13,237 13,237 Education 4,833 4,833 Election integrity 652 652 Energy 7,880 7,880 Environment 25,156 25,156 Government size and regulations 4,859 4,859 Guns 2,664 2,664 Health care 13,099 50,674 Reproductive rights 5,741 5,741 Opioid epidemic 3,763 3,763 COVID-19 pandemic 28,071 28,071 Housing and urban policy 2,055 2,055 Immigration 18,271 39,524 Family separation policy 9,397 9,397 Travel bans 7,678 7,678 2018–2019 federal government shutdown 4,178 4,178 LGBT rights 7,915 7,915 George Floyd protests 2,669 18,354 Photo-op at St. John's Episcopal Church 6,545 6,545 Deployment of federal law enforcement to cities 9,140 9,140 Science 5,573 5,573 Space 1,165 1,165 Surveillance 623 623 Veterans affairs 3,647 3,647 Voting rights 4,939 4,939 White nationalists and Charlottesville rally 5,750 5,750 Foreign affairs 5,957 49,457 Defense 7,243 7,243 Afghanistan 4,407 4,407 China 1,528 1,528 North Korea 7,859 7,859 Turkey 2,859 2,859 Iran 6,841 6,841 Saudi Arabia 6,645 6,645 Israel / Palestine 4,655 4,655 United Arab Emirates 1,463 1,463 Russia and related investigations 15,972 47,135 Special counsel's report 28,019 28,019 Counter-investigations 3,144 3,144 Ethics 3,840 56,985 Role of lobbyists 2,210 2,210 Potential conflicts of interest 13,854 13,854 Saudi Arabia 1,058 1,058 Transparency, data availability, and record keeping 6,792 6,792 Hatch Act violations 2,173 2,173 Security clearances 3,439 3,439 Impeachment inquiry 12,863 12,863 Use of the Office of President 10,756 10,756 Elections during the first Trump presidency 3,247 29,122 2018 midterm elections 559 559 2020 reelection campaign 2,413 25,316 Lost reelection and transition period 9,404 9,404 Electoral vote count and U.S. Capitol attack 6,714 6,714 Aftermath 6,785 6,785 Historical evaluations and public opinion 49 8,051 Historical evaluations 1,771 1,771 Opinion polling 3,836 3,836 Democratic backsliding 2,395 2,395 See also 655 655 References 76 76 Further reading 3,478 4,792 Historiography, memory and teaching 1,314 1,314 External links 1,476 1,476 Total 543,804 543,804

Trump/Fox connection

I note that the Trump/Fox news support is not mentioned in the article - something I've wondered about for some time. I don't watch FOX but when one sees many of the Fox and Friends clips it is quite stunning. Clearly Trump sees Fox as his very own news outlet and FOX has certainly acted in similar manner. Today reading this CNN comment re the relationship, "'We have to start looking for a new News Outlet,' tweeted on Wednesday, inadvertently lending credence to critics' claims that Fox is akin to state-run TV." State-run TV --like Russia and China? I wonder if we should put something in the article? Gandydancer (talk) 19:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh! Well I guess not then... All's well that ends well - I trust group consensus. Gandydancer (talk) 05:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gandydancer: Presidency_of_Donald_Trump#Leadership_style_and_philosophy and perhaps it should also go into Presidency_of_Donald_Trump#Relationship_with_the_media ... like so: starship.paint (talk) 01:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

mmmm no, not them alone nor minute trivia. WP shouldn’t be inserting multiple notes of every one-off Trump tweet out there, or selecting just one part of media for scrutiny — particularly not bits of low WEIGHT, not involving real-world events, and not involving Presidency items. A Fox event or RS characterisation might suit, but only as part of NPOV coverage for media in DUE weight. Maybe try having Relationship with the Media section include the other half of press relationships- how the press behaves. Could be some mention of noted general press hostility and multiple events in their behaviour. Right now the article portrays a Trump mention of 91% negative coverage as if it is fake - there is no neutral note that yes, multiple studies noted coverage has been 90%+ negative, starting from before his nomination thru now, nor does the article have any reflection on how extensive and continuous coverage has been. Possibly some mention of Press Secretary and briefings, including discontinuation or limitations. Possibly include mention of NYT was bullied into retracting a headline, or other items of WEIGHT. But no reason to promote a lone tweet above what it is DUE. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 03:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Moving whistleblower and etcetera

I'm moving the Whistleblower complaint from the Foreign Policy section to a new subsection of the Ethics section, plus dequotify it and start streamlining a bit.

It's a decent first draft collection of bits, I think it could use some further work on what is there --

• Cites need dates and other fixing, should be at what part they support, and should be something less than 10 cites per paragraph.
• But do some prior citing - this was a story back during Obama, so cite there; and a story a couple months ago, so cite there.
• Additional streamlining of the step-by-day-by-step accumulated progression to cut out some steps and more to summary.
• At least briefly label what a Hunter Biden investigation is alleged to be about. (e.g. He got a directorship with a Ukrainian corporation when Vice-President Biden was involved with Ukraine and Ukrainian aid... is a bit overlong.)
• Probably skip Money-for-investigation allegation, as would Ukraine foreign minister has denied that.
• Just the facts -- skip any wild speculations or emoting for the cameras
• Eventually shrink it to DUE amount -- right now it is story of the week, not seeing anything necessarily more to come, and whatever might come will be additions that make some of this lengthy prologue bits unnecessary.

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 02:20, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

ProPublica.org item

Update: We Found a “Staggering” 281 Lobbyists Who’ve Worked in the Trump Administration; That’s one lobbyist for every 14 political appointees, and four times more than Obama had appointed six years into office. by David Mora, Columbia Journalism Investigations October 15, 2019: a ref addition? X1\ (talk) 00:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Seems UNDUE - an esoteric statistic from a relative unknown author in a small pub. And it has not been out long so has no time to accumulate importance. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 03:40, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

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