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Hi! Thank you for your recent closure of Talk:Spider-Man: Far From Home#Requested move 15 October 2019, but I would query whether it was appropriate for a non-admin to close that particular discussion. There was roughly a 2-1 majority against the proposed move, but virtually all of the oppose !votes were either simple !votes with no rationale, or rationales that were clearly contradicted by the presented evidence or by simple logic. If all such !votes were discarded, there was (by my admittedly biased count) a clear majority in favour of the move.

Given that you didn't address this point in your closure, I suspect you may not have noticed it, which is why I'm coming here to request clarification.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:37, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Hello and thank you for asking. Before I elaborate, I just want you to know that closures are based on consensus, not votes. Arguments must adhere to policy and guidelines, and those who perform closures must also consider arguments from previous closures via WP:RMCOMMENT. I'll try to summarize. Now it's quite obvious that the arguments from those who supported the move were all based on MOS:CT. And even though some editors in opposition did not link policy for their arguments, it was clear they were referring to WP:OFFICIAL & WP:COMMONNAME by primary sources. See arguments: (Note that other editors echoed Trailblazer101's argument to support their own "per Trailblazer101" but there's nothing wrong with that.), ( & ), , , & (I probably missed someone). And Amakuru (Opposed move) was the only person willing to provide any statistics for the most searched title. Calidum also noted that there could be exceptions to avoid the "standard" spelling per WP:TITLETM. My final decision though was based on "Discussion". In that conversation, there were disagreements on what was considered a reliable source. That led me to close. Overall, the whole move request was in a complete disagreement (No consensus). Jerm (talk) 03:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I know about consensus versus votes, which is why I think (in my admittedly biased stated) that most or all of the "oppose" comments need to be disregarded as tendentious or disruptive. They claimed they were arguing based on OFFICIAL and COMMONNAME, but consistently ignored evidence that OFFICIAL can't apply (official sources are not consistent) and that COMMONNAME actually favoured neither title over the other since the difference in favour of one, if there even is one, is negligible. "most searched" wasn't actually something Amakuru presented any evidence for or even claimed to be presenting evidence for -- he linked a bare Google search indicating that most hits (on the first page) capitalize. Trailblazer's argument was nonsense (two times before the film was released is not "countless" and at no point was the "declining" based on consensus to do so or on reliable sources) and so not only would Trailblazer's argument need to be dismissed as such but anyone who said "per Trailblazer" would also need to have their reasoning questioned. Spanneraol claimed their argument was for "the way the studio named the film", but poster stylization is not the same as "how the studio names the film", as I and others pointed out... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Trailblazer made it clear in his argument that the current title is supported by the official websites of Marvel and Sony via primary sources, and no one bothered to counter Amakuru's hits with hits of "Spider-Man Far from Home". Those who support the move always state that there are a mixed amount of sources but never provide the search results/hits. Primary sources (excluding visual designs) such as the websites of Sony and Marvel have always been ignored by the those who support the move in favor of secondary-sources. Finding the search hits is key to satisfying COMMONAME. And if there are truly a near mixed amount of results, then the most logical thing to do is to establish the title on primary sources. And with that, I'll end my part of the discussion. Jerm (talk) 07:20, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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