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Should include both podium finisher quotes

If we're going to include this line "The silver-medal winner, Dutch athlete Caroline van Herrikhuyzen, supported McKinnon" under "Controvery" we should also probably include the quote from the bronze finisher who did not support McKinnon and did argue that there was an unfair advantage.71.218.92.241 (talk) 19:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Nonstandard way of referring to an athlete's gender?

I've just made an edit to remove "who competes against female cyclists" from the first sentence of the post. On a quick scan of other biographies of athletes, including transgender athletes, it does not seem usual to say what gender athlete they compete against (usually their own gender). Mwphil (talk) 16:01, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

McKinnon competes against other sportwomen of her own gender. The changes you removed were vandalism and should be treated as such. I have added the discretionary sanction notice, so that sanctions for any transphobic abuse on this article can be handled swiftly (in theory).

Any user that appears unaware of the DS may be alerted using {{Ds/alert}}. --Fæ (talk) 08:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Relevant categories

In diff I have readded what are rather obvious categories for this subject as they are notable and well reported by the press as a trans woman cyclist.

These LGBT+ related categories should not be removed en mass, without engaging in discussion on this talk page. There is overwhelming evidence in reliable sources to support them. --Fæ (talk) 07:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Seems to have been a strange omission then. Glad you have reconsidered your previous revert and are now being BLP compliant. Thanks. Jevansen (talk) 08:12, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2019

This edit request to Rachel McKinnon has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Add to 'Early life and education.'

She was born in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.

Her early sports career focused primarily on baseball, golf, and badminton. But she also participated in rugby, climbing, backcountry hiking and snowshoeing.

Golf: In 1997 she was the Junior Club Champion at Cedar Hill Golf Course.

Badminton: Rachel competed primarily in British Columbia at the provincial and national level. She represented her zone at the BC Winter Games (Vancouver Island, Zone 6) twice, in 1996 and 1997. She was the U16 Junior Singles provincial champion in 1997.

In 2014, during her time in Calgary, AB, she won the Glencoe Masters Badminton events in 30+ Women's Singles, 30+ Women's Doubles, and 30+ Mixed Doubles.

She took up competitive cycling post-transition after her move to Charleston, SC in 2014. She began racing March 2015. Canuckbelle (talk) 22:01, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I've looked for newspaper sources for these statements in the LexisNexis newspaper database. I couldn't find sources for everything but would be very happy to add more of the above if we can find third-party sources. Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 18:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Canuckbelle: @Nikkimaria: Hi there! Further to this, the newspaper source I found for the sentence 'she won sport climbing competitions, was a junior champion at badminton at provincial level, and was a junior golf champion at regional level' was the Daily Mail. Nikkimaria removed this on the grounds that the Daily Mail is not a reliable source. I understand where Nikkimaria is coming from, but it seems unlikely that these particular details were invented by the Mail! Could we either reinstate the sentence and reference or could someone suggest a better sources? Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 09:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Badminton is sourceable here; don't think a club championship is notable. Nikkimaria (talk) 10:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Sceptre (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

References

1. Maxine Shen, "'My birth certificate says I'm female': Trans cyclist defends her win after 3rd place competitor lashed out saying 'it's definitely NOT fair' after losing in world championship race", Daily Mail (20 October 2018).

Missing info from.education

They published:

Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About

Which is freely available online to download.. DravenRainrix (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I've added this (in fact McKinnon's PhD thesis) in the education section. Alarichall (talk) 18:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Fixing pronouns

According to Misplaced Pages's policy McKinnon should be referred to using she/her pronouns. I edited the entry today to change "he" references to "she." Given the transphobia in the reaction to Rachel's recent win, this might be an ongoing battle. Is there a way to lock down the pronouns used in this entry? I am very new at this and would appreciate help/advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamJaneB (talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I have already requested a period of page semi-protection as we have seen vandalism from several different IPs. That will stop all unregistered (IP based) editors. Unfortunately that will also affect the other IP editors who have been helpful in reverting the vandalism but it seems like the best option for the short term. I have also been warning the IPs who have been vandalising the article but, as they are clearly intentional vandals, it is unlikely that they care. With luck the administrators will process my request shortly and the page will be protected for long enough to persuade the vandals to go away. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Name change: Veronica Ivy

The subject of this article now goes by the name Veronica Ivy; see her website, Twitter, and byline on an article published today. As this is apparently a very recent change, I'm posting a notice here rather than immediately moving the article. Funcrunch (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I see that her original website has not been updated or redirected yet but I think we could move and update the article soon, or even now, based on what we have. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:33, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

The cyclist's official website is still rachelmckinnon.com so its not clear if this is a permanent change or if its more of a nom-de-plume — Preceding unsigned comment added by BudapestJoe (talk • contribs) 20:48, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes. That could be possible, although it seems unlikely given the way she phrases it. Also there is another news article here that might help substantiate the name change. We can hold off for a short while until we are sure but I think this is looking like a true name change. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Based on going through her tweets trying to find if there was some announcement of the name change, I think she is still in the progress of building out and transferring content to her new website, and so hasn't redirected the old one yet. Funcrunch (talk) 21:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

"My name is Dr. Veronica Ivy.

I am a professional interdisciplinary philosopher, a two-time masters track cycling world champion and world record-holder, and an activist for human rights.

Here you can find information on each of these facets.

I used to go by Rachel McKinnon, but that has changed since December 2019."

http://veronicaivy.com/ EarthSprite 18:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

As there have been no objections it seems this article should be moved to Veronica Ivy sooner rather than later. I'd prefer someone with more experience in page moves and redirects do the job. Funcrunch (talk) 00:16, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree. How do you think we should reword the opening sentences? We will need to mention her former name as, unlike her deadname, she was notable under that name, and much of the reference material uses that name. It seems a bit clunky to open with "Veronica Ivy, previously known as Rachel McKinnon, (born 1982) is a..." I mean, it's is not totally awful but if anybody can think of anything better...

Doing the actual page move is pretty easy. It will make the redirect by default. I can do that if you prefer. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I’ve made the Lead changes. Someone else can tackle the article itself and add a sentence for the name change. Gleeanon409 (talk) 01:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that reads better than what I was proposing. I've swapped the name over in all other places in the article, taking care not to mess up the references, and moved the article. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks folks for doing the updates. Funcrunch (talk) 05:03, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I was looking at the Wikidata entry and, being even less familiar with name changes on that platform, am not sure how best to go about updating it; whether to simply change the description, "given" and "family" names, or add new values while keeping the former as well (since this would not be a deadnaming issue). Funcrunch (talk) 05:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

IP, the subject of this article is a woman and goes by she/her pronouns, regardless of your opinions or those of the author whose article you linked to. Discretionary sanctions apply to talk pages as well as articles, so please choose your words carefully. Funcrunch (talk) 06:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Silencing disagreement and suppressing information are not commendable.--12.144.5.2 (talk) 07:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I have redacted the deadname and the link you posted, while leaving your comments otherwise unchanged. Please be aware that doxxing and harassment are unacceptable. Maliciously deadnaming people is both of those things. This is not a "disagreement" because harassment is not an expression of opinion, it is an act of aggression against specific individuals.

Your IP is already on final warning for previous offences of transphobic and other vandalism dating back more than 2 years. You need to stop your disruptive behaviour before the IP address gets blocked from editing. From the editing history of the IP address, it looks a lot like it could be shared with other people, maybe a whole organisation. If it gets blocked then maybe the other users will start to ask why and discover what you have been doing. Seriously. You need to pack this in. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:24, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I have controlled this IP address for 19 years and am the only person ever to have used it to edit Misplaced Pages.Attempts to suppress a person's birthname from the person's biography have no place in a credible encyclopaedia.--12.144.5.2 (talk) 19:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for clarifying that this IP address can safely be blocked without affecting any innocent parties if you continue to abuse Misplaced Pages. In this spirit if helpful clarification, I'll return the favour by drawing your attention to our actual policy on this: MOS:DEADNAME. This states that we only include the deadnames of people when they were notable under those names. The birthname of a trans person who was never notable under that name is not relevant to an encyclopaedia. It is private information and publishing it is harassment just as much as publishing their home address or bank account number would be. If you feel that Misplaced Pages is not "credible" then you are very, very welcome to leave. We will not tolerate harassment. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

To quote what I said in the remark someone here hid and you then censored,"The policy pro-trans-biased editors cite for erasing transgender persons' birthnames from their articles actually only applies to lead sections." To quote from that policy itself as per your link,with emphasis added: "In the case of transgender and non-binary people,birth names should be included in the lead sentence only when the person was notable under that name." It in no way discourages the inclusion of the name in the body of the article,which is something one should regard as essential to giving a complete picture of the person's life.Gerald R. Ford was never notable as Leslie Lynch King and Robert C. Byrd was never notable as Cornelius Calvin Sale,but their birth names are part of their biographies and this is duly noted.Anne Perry has the name under which she committed murder as a child,which was hidden for many years,right at the top of the article.There is no basis for using that language to confer upon the transgendered a unique right to erase their histories.--12.144.5.2 (talk) 21:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I tire of this disingenuous nonsense. There is only one reason why some people delight in inserting deadnames in articles and it is not a compulsion for completeness. You have already received an official final warning some time ago. You have confirmed that it was you who received it, as nobody else uses your IP address. That warning remains in effect indefinitely. There is nothing to discuss here.

Looking at your edit history, I see you participating constructively on other articles. (This is why I assumed that there was more than one person using the IP address, as the two behaviours seem so completely inconsistent.) Please drop the stick here and continue with that instead. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I tend to leave articles alone after getting into long arguments about them.I doubt you will honestly evaluate your motives for wanting to suppress "deadnames" but I hope one day consensus will evolve to make your position untenable.(I also find people perplexed by my consistent,vehement advocacy of abortion rights and opposition to same-sex marriage,but my concern in both cases is the false claims of equalities that lead to harmful conclusions).Goodbye.12.144.5.2 (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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