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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture ... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren  15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One aread where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found and then is seems long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is , let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

At the ! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for expediting

Thanks --Gau Choob (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

You bet. El_C 17:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Canada medical cases

Hi El C, for the edit request could you add the link for the article titled "2020 coronavirus pandemic in Quebec" because the QC link is missing and it was already created Go to "Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Canada medical cases" At QC please add both links at QC to include "2020 coronavirus pandemic in Quebec" as an edit request. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:C955:CE75:3DDA:DC2A (talk) 23:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

 Already done. El_C 00:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

At location someone has created the article titled "2020 coronavirus pandemic in New Brunswick" and it was missing under "Locations". Under Canada could you add "New Brunswick" to include the article titled "2020 coronavirus pandemic in New Brunswick" under Canada at "Locations" and put it in alphabetical order. This is another edit request. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:C955:CE75:3DDA:DC2A (talk) 23:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 00:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Joanna

	Greetings
	~ Going to San Diego anytime soon? ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Nope, but I do have fond memories from my visit there in the 90s. El_C 17:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Minjung Party

There has been some discussion about Minjung party's political spectrum and ideology. During the discussion there has been some dispute about whether the sources are against WP policy. Can you join the disscussion and advice me and other editors about this issue? I think your advice can help to make progress on this issue. Thank you for reading. Jeff6045 (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Jeff6045, I'm sorry but this is not an area with which I am familiar. Good luck. El_C 23:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

2019–20 coronavirus and the politics

I'm not intending to push POV, but the coronavirus crisis has been highly bounded to the politics. (At least, US and China politics) Should we use saction to keep an eyes with the persons (Such as Li Wenliang, Chen Qiushi) as well as other social-political articles related to the coronavirus crisis? Mariogoods (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, these fall under the COVID-19 General Sanctions. Please feel free to submit any such proposal to apply sanctions as the need arises. El_C 23:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

It's the first time for me to submit any such proposal. And how could I do to submit it? By just adding the template to the talk page? (While the original purpose is to "prevent pseudoscience", but the saction should be also applied to "prevent political propaganda") Mariogoods (talk) 23:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

What is the incident you're immediately dealing with? Please feel free to submit a well-documented account of it right here. El_C 23:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Clarification request: Acupuncture closed and archived

The clarification request regarding the arbitration case Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Acupuncture has been closed and archived to Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Acupuncture#Clarification request: Acupuncture (March 2020).

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 🎷 22:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, Dreamy Jazz. El_C 23:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

online?

Hi El C. Admin help is needed (quick, n simple task), you still around? —usernamekiran (talk) 06:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

pinging TheSandDoctor. You around? —usernamekiran (talk) 06:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• issue got taken care of, at User talk:TheSandDoctor#mail. See you around El C —usernamekiran (talk) 07:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, usernamekiran. All the best, El_C 07:14, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

DS alert

El_C might you deliver the COVID DS alert at User talk:ChulaOne? Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I think this is a bigger problem; could you have a look at ChulaOne's edits at Talk:White House Coronavirus Task Force? They have done similar at Deborah Birx. It is looking more like run-of-the-mill trolling. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Indeffed. El_C 14:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much, what an odd waste of time (quotation marks, seriously?) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. El_C 15:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Janata Curfew

Why did you remove the info that I added about people thinking the Indian government has the cure for the coronavirus and thinking staying at home cures it? It is sourced, it's placed below the paragraph on the page. Also, why did you revert the grammar corrections unrelated to that? I'm trying to help out too. If you can read that page, you can see that I'm debunking rumors about the coronavirus, not making up new ones. As previously mentioned, what I added is already on the page so I ask you to please revert the edits (or at least the grammar corrections I made)? Thanks in advance. --51.37.99.16 (talk) 15:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Please propose your changes on the article talk page — if other editors see merit in your changes, I will lift my objection. El_C 16:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

GS for COVID-19

Hello, El C, I see you are the most active admin regarding this subject and I was wondering whether you thought it would be useful to post GS notices to the most active editors I see working on these articles (like we generally do with U.S. politics) or should we just notify editors that appear to be disrupting articles? I think most editors are unaware of the sanctions and I know I missed the discussion that set these up. I have all of the articles Watchlisted and the editing has been too rapid to check individual edits but I could inform editors who do the bulk of editing about the sanctions. Let me know what you think. Liz 21:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Liz. While I've been limiting myself to issuing these alerts only to users who make disruptive edits, you do make a good point: extending that practice to active editors, in general, could prove quite useful. I say, let's do it. El_C 22:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

???

i literally just send him a message in her talk page. just like she did. what's wrong with that?--88.7.249.118 (talk) 23:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

You copied their message, were using their name as your own — please don't do that again. Thank you. El_C 23:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Don't know where to go ~

Hi El C! I don't know who to contact about this edit here but the information in the edit can be harmful to others ~ can you help and remove the edit like you do when some gets vulgar and offensive? Thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 10:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 18:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi El C. You handled a dispute I had with a user a month ago https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1030#Incivility_and_Hounding_by_User:ජපස. I was very sick at the time and not very lucid (you might have noticed https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?oldid=940991188&diff=prev) so I accept blame for not handling that scenario very efficiently and my first wikipedia ban in over 10 years (not by you).

I have encountered the same editor now and have tried to resolve in a civil manner another stupid dispute. I did my best to be WP:CIVIL but have just failed. Could you have a look here https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:ජපස#WP:BRD and give me some advice on how to avoid this kind of problems? Is it me?

Thanks and sorry to bother you again with such trivialities. Especially during this moment in time.

P.s. the last and only time I asked an admin for advice I was banned by that user. I never had such issues. Is asking for help/advice not appropriate in such cases? Thanks --Gtoffoletto (talk) 14:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Gtoffoletto, your opponents are right in this instance: you should not be modifying quotes. El_C 18:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I really cannot comprehend what you and JBD mean. Could you explain? Is my understanding of the meaning of "in quotes" wrong? have you read the entire discussion? Thanks for the help --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

(watching:) the "according to the New York Times" bit is NOT part of the quote, so should not be within the quotation marks. This is what the others also said. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

(also watching) and I'm as baffled as Gtoffoletto. I've gone through each diff, starting with when the text was first added. The edit closed the preceding quote (against the wind". and then added the new line and according to the New York times "shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching." (with ref). I cannot find a diff where "according to the New York Times" is within quotation marks as claimed. What am I missing? Schazjmd (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok but either I'm completely insane or that part is NOT within quotation marks. Read the entire conversation please. Am I losing my mind?

Quotes highlighted:

The New York Times said the footage showed "an object tilting like a spinning top moving against the wind". A pilot refers to a fleet of objects, but no imagery of a fleet was released. The second video was taken a few weeks later and according to the New York times "shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching." See:

Am I crazy? Or maybe I just don't know what "in quotes" really means?--Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks User:Schazjmd... are we the only two crazy people on Misplaced Pages? Is this a prank? Am I on TV? Where is the camera? --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Again, you modified the quote. A pilot refers to a fleet of objects, but no imagery of a fleet was released. The second video was taken a few weeks later — you removed the quote marks from that and rearranged the sentence. Please be more careful with modifying passages that are quoted. El_C 23:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Aha, now I get it. It's referring to ending the quote at the end of against the wind. However, the quote properly ended there previously, (the portion A pilot refers to "a fleet of objects", but no imagery of a fleet was released. was not a quote), and ජපස removed the ending quote marks after wind, which was incorrect. Gtoffoletto restored the missing quote marks in the same edit as adding shows an object.... Whew, nice to have that straightened out! I couldn't figure out where folks were seeing the problem. Thanks, El C. Schazjmd (talk) 23:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

And now I see I was incorrect; that should properly be quoted as its verbatim in the caption. I got it wrong, but I appreciate the help in seeing where I missed it! Schazjmd (talk) 23:15, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

That is not what JBD is saying. The entire paragraph is mostly referencing the New York Times so similarities exist. I wrote the whole article and know the sources very well. JBD is contesting the sentence "The second video was taken a few weeks later and according to the New York times" which was written by me and is not in quotes. The quotes were only added because JBD was reverting any description of the video that was not verbatim from a source so I was very careful to add them. I've explained everything on JBD's discussion. I don't think anyone is reading it at this point. This user's behaviour will continue once again. I have bigger fish to fry I guess. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Since I am now 100% sure of my sanity thanks to User:Schazjmd finally taking the time to read could you please comment on the civility displayed by the user? The underlying dispute should be irrelevant to that aspect. Advice? Thanks --Gtoffoletto (talk) 02:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

new people or unregistered people keeps adding unsourced content or error on Diamond Princess (ship)

pls semi-protect this article due to the popularity of this ship on Coronavirus, more unsourced edits will appear. 123.223.133.5 (talk) 03:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 15:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

pls also protect the ship's biggest incident of infections such as Grand Princess, Ruby Princess and possibly also MS Westerdam. Since, everytime when there are reports and news about this ship, loads of people edits unsourced stuff to the articles as of recently. 148.252.72.14 (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 00:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

seems people keep appearing, care to protect also World Dream and Costa Luminosa?. 148.252.72.14 (talk) 04:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm looking into it — monitoring closely. El_C 04:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Upon further considerations,  Done, both. El_C 04:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail

Gtoffoletto, I'm sorry, but I am too busy to attend to complex interpersonal disputes at this time. My suggestion to you is to draft well-documented report, to be submitted at the admin noticeboard. Sorry again — these are unprecedented time, which greatly limits my attention. Best of luck in finding an amicable resolution to the dispute. El_C 20:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I perfectly understand. Be safe. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 20:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Religion in Albania RfC

Hi El C. Just a heads up, Khirurg has started an RfC about the disputed census. As the protection nears its expiry, could you please keep an eye on the article. Given that last time the edit-warring started about 15 minutes after unprotection, even with the RfC ongoing, I'm not very optimistic about the prospects of another edit-war not erupting soon after the upcoming unprotection. Thank you. Dr. K. 20:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dr.K. Sorry, no-can-do. I am simply too busy to followup in the normal way. As such, I simply extended the protection by 30 days to run concurrent with today's RfC. And it may be extended further until the RfC is closed and the dispute resolved. Any other admin is welcome to step in (without needing to consult me in any way whatsoever), if they can find the time to attend to this. But if not, that is where it's at. Best wishes for your health and safety at these unparalleled times, El_C 20:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi El C. Thank you for your kind wishes. I also wish you and yours the best health and safety. Sorry for the disturbance, and thank you for all you have done in general, and for this article in particular, and for extending the protection. Take care and stay safe. Dr. K. 20:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

semi-protect at Candidates Tournament 2020

Sorry, I could not find the correct page to request this, so I am asking you directly, since you are the editor who put the semi-protect in place. Could I request that you shorten the semi-protect time at Candidates Tournament 2020? Many anonymous IPs (presumably chess enthusiasts who do not normally edit Misplaced Pages) have been editing the article. They have added many useful contributions (even creating a table), almost entirely in good faith. It is true that there has been a small edit war, but it has been on a minor point. A week of semi-protect locks out anon IP edits for most of the rest of the tournament. Even though some of these edits have been a frustration to me (you can see my edits in the history) , I think a week is excessive. Adpete (talk) 02:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think a week is actually a reasonable duration — I do not find it to be too lengthy. El_C 02:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

1RR complaint about Bill Clinton at AN3

Hey El C. Please see WP:AN3#User:Scribatorian reported by User:Wow (Result: ). You did put a DS template on this article on 7 October, 2019 but this template doesn't appear to impose a 1RR. The Bill Clinton page *does* have the 1RR editnotice, but that meets only half of the requirement. Do we have to decline the 1RR complaint due to lack of {{American politics AE}} on the talk page? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ed. In my view, 1RR is in effect. And I did add Ds/talk notice|topic=ap to the talk page, so my understanding is that this satisfies the requirement. El_C 17:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Qatar

The general information page provides for the "hereditary monarchy" part. I thought it was non-necessary to enlist, but ok, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.140.255.103 (talk) 08:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I just didn't understand your reasoning. Thanks for taking the time to followup. El_C 08:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Does 1RR = 3RR?

@El C: Please help me understand how WP:1RR applies specifically to 2020 Delhi riots. Obviously when an edit summary begins, as here with the words "Reverted edits by" or as here with the words "Undid revision," that constitutes 1RR. However, WP:3RR states: A series of consecutively saved reverting edits by one user, with no intervening edits by another user, counts as one revert. Does that apply as well to a page where the 1RR restriction is in place? In other words, even at 2020 Delhi riots, an editor could perform a series of consecutively saved reverting edits without exceeding 1RR, provided there were no intervening edits by another user.

On a related point, I wonder about edits where, in contrast to the above, the edit summary does not begin with the words "Reverted edits by" or "Undid revision" yet the edit is nonetheless in effect a reversion. Restoring a previous version not from the View History tab, but by clicking Edit Source and inserting or removing text directly, then saving, will not show up in the page history as a reversion but may accomplish exactly what a readily identifiable reversion would do. NedFausa (talk) 01:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, they count as a single revert (theoretically, the changes could have been done with one, single edit). As for reverts that are not indicated as such in the edit summary, you just have to demonstrate that the pertinent edit is a revert using diffs — including the previous versions reverted to. El_C 16:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add notice

Please add editnotice like this:

• {{subst:COVID19 GS editnotice}}

to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United Kingdom article. Thanks

 Done. El_C 16:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Abusive edit summary by an IP

Hello, Can something be done about this edit summary by an IP . Thanks!--Ermenrich (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

They said basically the same thing here (better grammar) . Another insult (in Russian) here: --Ermenrich (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP and revdeleted the offensive edits.But because they keep switching to different IPs, I've also protected those articles for a while. El_C 16:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!--Ermenrich (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanction at 2020 Delhi riots

FYI. Since you have been heavily involved in guiding the editors at the page, please let me know if you have any objections or proposed modifications to my move. Pinging RegentsPark and Bradv too. Abecedare (talk) 15:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Can I say that I'm just relieved to learn you're on the case, Abecedare? Before even looking at the specifics? Well, I guess I just did! El_C 16:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, I should do something once in a while to earn my hefty admin paycheck.:)

I daresay that your and other admins' oversight will continue to be needed at the article, although I hope that "no edits without clear consensus" will be easier to monitor than having to count the number and pace of reverts and judge their revert-iness. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Abecedare, I agree, and thanks for handling this. "No changes to the lead without consensus" seems to me like an appropriate restriction for this article. – bradv🍁 16:39, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Unprotection of Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in March 2020

I have moved Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in March 2020, which you protected indefinitely, to Chronology of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in March 2020 per a split discussion. Can you unprotect the redirect when you have the time, as it does not need protection any more. Danski454 (talk) 23:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Why? Why does it matter? El_C 00:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not that important, but I don't feel the redirect should be indefinitely protected. Danski454 (talk) 08:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, I do. The redirect is still widely used, so I'm not inclined to unprotect it at this time. El_C 13:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Misleading and unsourced edits

there has been ongoing edits with lots of new people on Grandeur of the Seas and possibly also Ovation of the Seas with their unsourced edits on the ships, pls protect to avoid misleading info. thank you. 78.105.135.176 (talk) 00:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 00:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected required for Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data

Indefinite Extended-confirmed-protection required for Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. It seems that protection is expired. Lot of vandalism has started. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 16:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:AN discussion I had with you

All the files that were originally uploaded by User:Guiding light and User:McChizzle were transferred by me to commons you can delete them now.--Hippymoose17 (talk) 18:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

There's so many! Still  Doing... El_C 18:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

You can just WP:NUKE them :)--Hippymoose17 (talk) 18:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Gah! Next time. All  Done, though, I think. El_C 18:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, you haven't deleted this guy's photos.--Hippymoose17 (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, now  Done. El_C 20:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Unconstructive editing on 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Ontario

Hello! I've been noticing that there are many people (mainly IPs) changing the case number even though the official source doesn't confirm the change. May you watch the page for potential vandalism and semi-protect the article if nessecary? Username 20:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Username6892, I'm already watching all of the state and province articles, but I am wary to protect any of them at this time. I considered protecting 2020 coronavirus pandemic in New York (state) a while back, but thought better of it. From what I see, these articles are well-watched. I know I've been going in a bit of one direction with the country and main topics of the virus articles in terms of protection (pro-active), while going in the other direction with respect to the local articles, but it just feels, intuitively, that this is what we should be doing at this time. That said, if it starts getting really bad, please let me know — if it has to be protected, it has to be protected, regardless of some formula. El_C 20:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

another ip appears and edited with unsourced/inaccurate counts on 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Ontario and RV Polarstern aswell. 190.49.176.128 (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

User(s) blocked. El_C 01:03, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Vandal on the run

Please look at his edit history and act quick. Thank you. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, escalated warning. El_C 20:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast. Thank you Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Phew!

I just transfered an entire category to commons! So can you do a favor and delete the redundant images please? Thanks--Hippymoose17 (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a bit busy elsewhere. Perhaps someone else can pick up the slack there...? El_C 21:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Anytime--Hippymoose17 (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

File:SADP gapfill for edge material removal.png

Hi El C. Not a big deal, since the deletion was correct, but WP:CSD#F1 only applies to local duplicates. The criterion to use for enwp files duplicating a Commons file is WP:CSD#F8. Regards, FASTILY 01:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks, I stand corrected (theme of the day!). El_C 01:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Arbpia rules

Do I have it wrong? I have been reading Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles as meaning non-confirmeds cannot create, viz "This exception does not apply to other internal project discussions such as AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, noticeboard discussions, etc."Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I stand corrected (yet again!). El_C 15:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Anti-semitism

There is a lot of it going around. Eventually the mask slips. Thanks for getting those. Acroterion (talk) 13:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Totally. Thanks for doing your part, as well, Acroterion. El_C 14:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

97.33.192.7

Hi! I shortened your 1-month block on 97.33.192.7 to 60 hours, since that IP is part of a cellphone network. Cellular IPs are almost always very rapidly reassigned (it's probably already reassigned now, to be honest), so the block will just end up hitting random users rather than the troll. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, Reaper Eternal. Thanks for doing your due diligence. El_C 14:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Wrong report

Hi, I noticed you removed my report and it says make a standard report. The report is about someone repeatedly deleting my contributions on Young Sheldon without providing a reason. So I am asking a moderator to monitor the page Young Sheldon, since what the other user is removing does not improve the page. I thought it was on the right place. Where should I put the report then? Thanks, Bijdenhandje (talk) 18:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Just follow the instructions at AN3 about how to make a standard report. There's an example form available, which you may make use of. El_C 18:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I have the same problem as Bijdenhandje so I'll see I can't sort it out myself. I love your User page. Hah! Activist (talk) 22:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Activist. Goodluck to both of you. El_C 22:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Ban

Dear El C, I understand your decision. However, part of my edit about Urtica was based on a literature review, which is a secondary source, as far as I know. I also cited promising primary research, which seemed justified to me. Please note that the article about COVID-19 already mentions which drugs are being tested, although their usefulness in fighting off this virus hasn't been confirmed by secondary sources yet. This information encourages people to try using the drugs, too, which brings profits to the manufacturers. Unfortunately it's completely unprofitable to study common herbs and that is why less information is available about them. Because of unjustified bias against medicinal herbs, little attention is paid to their great potential. For centuries poor people have added the nutrient-rich stinging nettle to soups in early spring, and this has helped them to survive the difficult period. During the pandemic it's crucial to draw researchers' attention to promising medicinal herbs. Why don't we leave the information and simply add an explanation like "Primary research suggests that ... but confirmation is still needed"? I'm deeply convinced that stinging nettle could save much more lives than chemical drugs, thanks to its amazing nutritional and antiviral properties, indicated by the sources cited by me and probably also many other sources, too, but I do not have time to look for them (I have 6 children). Please consider searching for better sources yourself when new promising edits are not justified properly, instead of deleting the edits and imposing bans. Such an approach would be much more beneficial for the Misplaced Pages community and for all people suffering from COVID-19 (both directly and indirectly). Sylwia Ufnalska (talk) 23:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Sylwia Ufnalska, while I find that interesting, I don't think it addresses the real issue that got you banned (twice) — and that is: you failing to live up to our especially high reliability criteria by which medical articles are edited. Hopefully, you can continue contributing elsewhere. Regards, El_C 23:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Interesting - I always use stinging nettle extract for my hay fever, and I was shocked to see that Amazon and other vendors were all sold out, but now I know why. At least it won't hurt anyone, I should think.  Mr.choppers | ✎  01:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

requesting protection on this current news article

Are you admin right?, there's a recent deaths and infection in the ship, pls protect Coral Princess as more and more people are editing with their promotional stuff and unsourced edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.105.154.87 (talk) 06:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 07:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Pls also protect a recently mentioned ship MS Rotterdam by the disruptive edits by the users. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.143.15 (talk) 00:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

 Already done. El_C 21:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	This is for your amazing work in patrolling the WP:GS/COVID mess and being the main admin protecting pages and ensuring that the project is maintaining factual integrity, especially when it comes to our coverage of this pandemic. Thank you for all that you're doing! OhKayeSierra (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

OhKayeSierra, many thanks for your recognition and the exceptionally kind words — it truly means a lot. Anyway, yeah, happy to do it. It's worthwhile work, so I don't mind exerting myself. All the best, El_C 07:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

The Banner

Hate to cause a fuss here, but I noticed that you recently commented on User:The Banner's talk page, urging him to stop WP:HOUNDING Piotrus. I have recently been a target of Banner's hounding as well (including his replies to IP 98... which is me as well). Examples of such hounding are essentially all his comments on the Talk:World War I casualties page. I am making edits in good faith in an attempt to improve the article, and those comments are infuriating because they are usually statements with no argument, essentially saying "You're wrong". In addition, in an attempt to cooperate with The Banner on a separate issue (the 1917 Potato riots) after another one of his comments on WW1 page, I asked him on his talk page about a potential improvement to the article. He refused to answer, calling my work "sloppy" and subsequently erased the entire section of our discussion, citing "harassment." I tried reverting the erasure, but was notified that doing so is against Wiki policy, so I ceased.

My question: what do I do? His constant comments seem intent on tormenting me. 2601:85:C101:BA30:39EB:29A4:9175:7668 (talk) 21:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Just for reference: IP has already a final warning for harassing. User talk:2601:85:C101:BA30:39EB:29A4:9175:7668. Have a nice day. The Banner talk 21:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC) No, I am not stalking or hounding you, you have pinged me...

Which is for the above erasure reverting. 2601:85:C101:BA30:39EB:29A4:9175:7668 (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

IP, the convention is that a user generally gets to decide what to remove from their own user talk page, so reverting their removal was inappropriate. As for the overall dispute, I'm afraid I have no time to look into interpersonal disputes at this time, and a glance at your talk page, shows that another admin is already aware of the dispute, anyway. Good luck in resolving the dispute amicably. El_C 16:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Iraqi conflict (2003–present)

Hey El C, first, I hope you are coping well with the current Coronavirus pandemic and that you are safe. Now, the Iraqi conflict (2003–present) article has recently seen a spike in unsourced and possibly POV editing by an IP editor. Me and a few others have reverted his edits each time, but he just reverted us back. The article would possibly warrant protection. You can make your conclusion after reviewing it. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 10 days, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. I am doing well, thank you for asking. Really busy, but good. Best wishes for your health and safety, as well. Regards, El_C 16:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Wish you safety and health

Dear fellow editor. The world is struggling to stay safe from the harms of a some tens of nano-meters sized virus. I wish you and your dear ones full safety from the dangers of this unilateral love! Regards. --Mhhossein 08:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Offsetting love... Thanks, Mhhossein for your kind wishes. I ,also, wish you health and safety in these trying times. All the best, El_C 20:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's April corner

Beati

Blessed

Music for you, listen if you can. We did it on 8 March. - I think Draft:Franz Klarwein is ready. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Franz Klarwein is now live. Nicely done. Virtual dance party! El_C 20:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Better link today, because of interesting translation help (bottom) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I tried to help, though I am no linguist or philologist. El_C 23:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

You did, thank you! Happy Easter, or: the resurrection of loving-kindness --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Nice! Happy Passover. Hopefully, we shall be liberated from our shelter-in-place chains sooner rather than later. El_C 13:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you know that Yoninah and I and whoever is willing try to improve psalms articles. The Good Friday hook was her idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I did not know, but now that I do, it makes me smile. El_C 13:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Ready again in itnn ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Of course, with pleasure. And nicely done with the article. El_C 07:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Any chance to also get creit, just for the record? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

About wikipedia policy

Can you see the revision story of Hankyoreh and Chosun ilbo? One user has accused my edit as original research. Do you think I had violated WP:NOR policy? If so, I really don't want to make same mistake. I wish you can give me advice of this issue. Thank you for reading. Jeff6045 (talk) 07:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Again, these are not topics with which I am familiar. I am also quite busy elsewhere. You should try to resolve the dispute through the usual means: article talk page discussion, or if that fails, dispute resolution requests. Good luck. El_C 16:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank for your response.Jeff6045 (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Un-delete talk page

You restored a lenghty discussion, which evolved in a irrelevant direction on a talk page, which is already more than overflowing with lots of excessive commments. So what is the alternative? Should the discussion continue indefinitely? Because I of course disagree with that person and have arguments for it...and then that person will disagree again and it wil continue endlessly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeUnknown010 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know about any of that, but once a section has been replied to, you may not remove it. El_C 21:21, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Curious editing behaviour

Having protected Planck units due to edit warring behaviour, I wonder whether you'd care to suggest a way of managing user Ahri6279. There is a clear pattern of disruptive editing: excessive number of small edits which make edit histories problematic to navigate, essentially entirely OR and without any referencing or even checking existing references when making changes (introducing errors), deafness to appeals from other editors (see discussion at WT:WikiProject Physics § Problematic changes to physics articles by an editor), ignoring edit comments and making many edits without edit comments (see the history at Plank units for several hundred edits), and simply reverting explained reverts with edit comments such as "??"). This editor has created a number of redirects that mostly seem to be headed for deletion. They have incorrectly updated template data. They have also just moved on with a similar pattern of editing at Natural units now that Planck units has been protected, rather than editing in their sandbox as suggested. In short, this editor is introducing degradation into WP, does not seem to understand or buy into the intent of WP, and generally disregards input from others other than occasional mild comments. I am unsure of attributing intent, but the behaviour creates work for others and contributes little (I would venture to say nothing of value IMO), and the lack of responsiveness discourages interaction from others (or at least, from me) trying to keep things intact. —Quondum 15:34, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I dropped them a note, which hopefully, they will address in a satisfactory manner. Please let me know if they continue to make problematic edits — I made it a condition that they must respond to my query before continuing to make any further mainspace edits. Regards, El_C 18:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated – my world is a rosier place with your involvement. I notice the block to get attention. We'll wait and see ... —Quondum 20:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely, Quondum. Glad to hear it. Yes, here's hoping. Thank you for keeping an eye on this key topic area. El_C 21:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Help please!

Can you please delete the files in this category? Thank you--Hippymoose17 01:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Remember to WP:NUKE!--Hippymoose17 01:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have that MediaWiki extension installed. El_C 03:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

How come? It's easy to install!--Hippymoose17 14:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

You know... Reasons... El_C 15:29, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

What reasons? Remember to WP:PING next time!--Hippymoose17 18:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

You could still manually delete them!--Hippymoose17 18:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm too busy elsewhere, still. El_C 18:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Connie Glynn‎

Looks like ECP might be more appropriate. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 04:35, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 04:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Impersonation

@El C: It looks like a racist IP user is impersonating you at my talk page. NedFausa (talk) 19:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Handled. El_C 19:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editor

Hi El C, I hope things are going ok your way. If you have a minute, can you please take a look at ChrisRehm8814? They are well past 3RR on the Diamond and Silk article and have left some attack-ish edit summaries. I did try to communicate with them earlier to no avail. In fact, they gave me a final vandalism warning (did the same to Snooganssnoogans). I went about my business but I can see they are continuing their disruptive behavior with other editors. S0091 (talk) 02:47, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You can disregard. The editor is now blocked. S0091 (talk) 03:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Help

Delete my sandbox (Sandbox5). It freezes my computer when I try to edit it. - Ferctus (reply here) —Preceding undated comment added 05:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 10:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Undid close

FYI I undid your close. Damn section headers and edit conflicts. Anyway, my reading of the consensus is to reblock and I want to give Mike a chance to respond. If he wants more people to comment, then I’d wait for a few more, but I think having it open for that makes sense. Sorry again for the conflict! TonyBallioni (talk) 16:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Tony, that's cool. I think I'm just going to step away. All the best, El_C 16:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good. Hope you have a lovely weekend in quarantine :) TonyBallioni (talk) 16:39, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. You, too, my friend. El_C 16:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

about Ahri6279

see zh:WP:CheckUser/Archive and meta:Steward_requests/Global/2020-04#Global_lock_for_Ahri6279, We think Ahri6279 is User:Xayahrainie43, by  Looks like a duck to me. -- Nanachi🐰Fruit Tea☕（宇帆·☎️·☘️） 18:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't read that language, but noted — may very well be. El_C 18:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I cannot discuss the admin noticeboard?

You are preventing me using the talkpage to discuss the proceeding? You say it is beyond the scope? "This page is for discussion of the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard page" and . Are you even an administrator? There is nothing to indicate you are... ~ R.T.G 22:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I am an administrator. Your note was inappropriate — that is not, in fact, what the ANI talk page is for, to continue or add to closed reports. It doesn't work that way. El_C 22:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I was complaining that the discussion was closed in the instant after a presented an argument against it. You consider that appropriate? You really need reactionary behavior to resolve a dispute? Your next move, as I see a new message, will be to blankly tell me to shut up or to have blocked me for doing as the notice suggests, and complaining to the admins imposing the sanction if I see it as an error. ~ R.T.G 22:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Multiple admins have reviewed the Incident, including myself. Yes, the closing was appropriate. Please do not edit tendentiously. El_C 22:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Al-Farabi

Hey, thank you for understanding my concerns. I get your point better now too. Stay safe my friend. Best.---Wikaviani 22:39, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for the kind wishes. Best wishes for your health and safety, as well. El_C 22:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail!

MrClog (talk) 00:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Got it and replied. El_C 00:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Help me

I want to use Template:CHN for my sandbox, but without the China link that sends me to the article. Just a 23px flagicon, very basic one, but I don't know how to do it. - Ferctus (talk)

Never mind, I did it. I just have to put Flagicon and the country after it. Thanks.

Article lock

Hi El C,

This is regarding the Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale article which you have locked for now.

IMO, User:GSS has adopted a complete unreasonable tone right from the outset and repeatedly thrown around accusations of "deleting information," clearly without properly checking the article itself, as can be evidenced by our discussion so far here where I refuted this. GSS also claims that "most of the information is unsourced" in an edit summary where this is demonstrably false, as can be observed in the diff. Every new addition is meticulously sourced down to the page number, and for goodness' sake the number of citations had gone from 96 to 160(!), while GSS repeatedly reverted baselessly and sticks to throwing out "unsourced," "deleting info," and "whitewashing" (perhaps the user doesn't recognize sfn templates as citations? This is the only way I can account for this...) This unbending discussion style may be described as stalling or attrition-based, if past experiences on that page are anything to go by, and I would frankly say that "white-washing" could apply to the lack of discussion of the government role in the events.

The article as it currently stands is poorly written, poorly sourced (largely sensationalist, distortionary op-eds from government-sympathetic media, long on aspersions and government lines, and short on details and facts; Indian media is a discussion unto itself...), makes little use of the good sources present, and IMO not worthy of Misplaced Pages, clearly pushing a POV by front-loading the article with slanted opinion to influence reader perceptions (this seems to have begun in July 2018 and has been strictly gate-kept by largely one or two users from the looks of it).The user is now not engaging further and frankly I'm not sure is this user is open to good-faith discussion, given the defensive tone of all their responses.

So here's my point: How would any real discussion proceed, and what is your perception of the edits in question in compared to the current article, even if just the lead, if I may ask? I understand that new edits bear the wp:burden and the article can't be locked on my version, but IMO my additions are more than adequately cited. The article is in desperate need of improvement to be anywhere close to being encyclopedic in tone and more than a badly-written wp:attack page.

BTW if edit size is a problem I can easily make separate section-by section edits.

Thanks, Sapedder (talk) 00:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

First of all, I didn't reverted your edits "baselessly". What you are doing here is whitewashing by rewriting pages related to Bhaindrawala in a way that looks good to you. Most of your edits were not sourced, and most of the sources you added were primary (mostly written by people close to Bhindrawala) so, your changes must be discussed on the article talk page. GSS  03:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Wrong, the primary source (Sandhu, a professor emeritus at an American university who never met JSB personally) was used only to cite quotes in speeches, not the bulk of information, and made up less than a tenth of total new citations. The source is also not solely translated speeches, the first ~100 pages are discussion, and the book is filled with useful footnotes). You can repeat "not sourced" all you like but ***64*** new citations, including many sources already present, many used repeatedly, refutes this.

The lead needs to be neutral, not making judgments on behalf of the reader. The slanted claims were moved to the article body and balanced, not deleted as you seem bent on portraying. The article almost exclusively quotes the opinions of Congress sympathizers,(Khushwant, KPS Gill, an Amarjit Kaur, Tavleen Singh, a distorted quote from Guha, etc. etc.) detached from the rural politics of the state, hostile to the subject, solely to disparage him, and none were removed, simply moved to its own section, as the entire article is permeated with unwarranted, unanswered criticisms, half-truths and quote distortions.

Rewriting JSB-related pages? I've only edited two such pages significantly, and almost all the information on those articles was unilaterally added and gate-kept without any consensus by a single editor on every related pages, who now finds himself hounded, doxxed, and forced to retire from Misplaced Pages by the same vicious nationalist online mobs and their media machinery who distorted his aims to demonize him (rather ironically given the topic) that he drew generously from for 'information.' Sensationalist Indian media is not on par as a reliable news source, especially on fraught topics like these.) Where was this concern for rewriting pages then?

The "politics" section leads off not with actual information, but with Khushwant and KPS criticism, with unsourced POV like "practised hate thorough"(sic) that you never seemed keen to fix, followed by "Congress creation" which is also pure POV refuted by Dhillon, Keppley Mahmood, Telford, Pettigrew, and others. This is followed by treating the Sant Nirankaris with kid gloves and calling them "peaceful" (not true, and not in the source), complete neglect of the Arya Samaj media's role in stoking unprovoked communalism with Sikhs (which they've been doing since the Singh Sabha days of the 1870s, all the way down to the 1980s through their media outlets), Congress and BJP MLAs making inflammatory statements against Sikhs and inciting mobs against protestors, police brutality and encounters, attributing any killings to JSB despite release due to lack of evidence, press distortions and government interference in state newspapers, zero discussion of the tensions with the center that gave rise to the Dharam Yudh Morcha, no discussion about the movement itself outside of "extremists!", no real discussion of the political/economic basis of the movement, writing as if Bhindranwale was an insurgent since the beginning of his Taksal days.... Who is really white-washing?

Along with the bad, non-native-speaker writing style, the article is a complete shambles, and kept that way because "it looks good to you." You really think this article is anywhere near presentable as it is. Do you want to make an article that delves earnestly into the topic, or an wp:attack page? Even the IRA, Unabomber, or Bin Laden pages don't go out of their way to demonize their topic the way this page does in every other statement, it's unbelievable.

Any further discussion (if such discussion is worth the time, and not meant for filibustering and attriting like with DBig) can take place on the subject's talk page, this message was meant for El C, if he's interested. Sapedder (talk) 05:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

El C: FYI. Abecedare (talk) 18:16, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Abecedare, for once again picking up the slack. Much appreciated. Sapedder, Abecedare's advise seems sound to me, but if you run into further problems, feel free to drop me a note (just try to be relatively brief, please). Regards, El_C 16:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus in Iran

Can I ask you to take a look at this and leave a comment? Thanks, Take care of yourself!Saff V. (talk) 10:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Stay safe, El_C 16:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

7icons

Hey El C, I hope you and your family are safe! I know it was a year ago, but you protected Angel Tee due to sockpuppetry and the same issue is happening again at Angela Tee. Is there a sockfarm I can link AngelFanatee11 into? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 08:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, HickoryOughtShirt?4. We are, thank you, and same to you. Sorry, but I simply do not recall the details. Drawing a total blank. Best, El_C 16:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

News18 India

Purely promotional, why isn't this just a redirect to Network18#TV18? Of course some of that is also promotional, probably because it's copyvio. I won't try to touch it on my iPad. I see you've edited it. Doug Weller talk 19:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Agreed. Yes, Network18_Group#Network_18 does not inspire much confidence, either. El_C 19:48, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Trimmed it a bit. El_C 20:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

CIR IP

Hi El C, there are a lot of disruptive edits coming from 102.252.65.0/24. You've been reverting some in Durban, Johannesburg, etc., so I guess you know what I mean. Non-communicative editor, always mobile web edits, fooling around with section headers and lots of overlinking, etc. Mostly sports, South African high schools, and places articles. I've already left two "final warnings" today, but they're still at it. Maybe they could be blocked? It looks to me like it's only that one person in that range, for the last week. Before that they were on Special:Contributions/102.250.3.0/24, maybe others. If you're too busy I can take it to ANI. Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 19:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Range blocked one week. El_C 19:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --IamNotU (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

"The" Commonwealth

Sorry: I reverted your change from "the Commonwealth" to "The Commonwealth" without adding an explanation. It is that I believe one writes "in (etc) the Commonwealth" but not "in (etc) The Commonwealth". That is the practice of the Commonwealth Secretariat (see its link). Errantius (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for following up, Errantius. Looking at the official summary of their website on google, it reads: Home to 2.4 billion citizens, The Commonwealth includes some of the world's largest, smallest, richest and poorest countries, spanning five regions. But when I actually look in the website itself, it does not, in fact, read that way. In any case, I'm happy to defer to your judgment in this matter. Regards, El_C 22:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Black hole

So now we know about admin back channeling. I was wondering about how you were gone for years and years, ad then appeared to bright and suddenly, always informed. You have other avenues of info. Delighted if you could prove me wrong and if your protection for protection was because of otherwise Ceoil (talk) 02:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I have a watchlist of almost 88,888 articles, Ceoil. El_C 02:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Not my problem. Why then and now. Ceoil (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're trying to say. El_C 02:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

It seems there was an off line request re use buttons on a content issue, and so dutifully you protected the page to back a fellow admin. There was no immediate risk, it all seems bizzare. My conclusion...you reacted too fast and showed how you actually work. Either that and you are incompetent, protecting pages at random. Ceoil (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ceoil, I take exception to that. First, I protected the page on your version. Second, your opponent in this edit war is not an admin. Third, I am supposed to protect on a random version, which is what I did. El_C 02:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

But but but...not the point!....any earlier edits were from march, Feb, jan, and all by established editors. What was you basis for protecting at all? Edit/action count? audit needed here Ceoil (talk) 02:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ceoil, you were both at 3 reverts each. I wanted to make sure either of you don't exceed 3RR so that sanctions would not need to be applied. But by all means, audit away. El_C 02:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Gaudi9223

The user Gaudi9223 has been abusing the minor edit check box. They've been using it for edits that are not minor edits. I left a message on their talk page telling them that. I just wanted to let you know so that you could perhaps keep an eye on them. -TrynaMakeADollar (talk) 06:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to have a word with them, also. El_C 15:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I see that they removed your message to them, which I take to indicate that they read it. Let's wait to see what they do next. El_C 15:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

User Ahri6279

Hi El C, regarding this block, please see 210.242.153.202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I already warned user and IP, and reverted the last edit. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 09:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, DVdm. See also my recent warning to them at User talk:211.75.72.139 (I also semi'd Planck units for a month). Please let me know if they continue using IPs to edit those pages. May just have to protect the lot of em. El_C 15:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok. By the way, have you seen this action by MrClog (pinging)? If indeed this account is globally locked, shouldn't that User:Ahri6279/sandbox, extensively edited today by IP 210.242.153.202 (and by 210.242.153.200), be deleted as well? Just wondering. - DVdm (talk) 15:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

DVdm, no I was unaware of that. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'm not sure those pages should be deleted due to the account being globally locked, as the pages were created before the lock. Unless, of course, the account was locked due to prior socking (unclear from the lock), which does however seem likely (see this). But those pages may be deleted for other reasons, like using Misplaced Pages as a webhost for original research, etc. I'll think about it, in any case. El_C 15:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, upon further thought I deleted the userpage and sandbox. El_C 15:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Yep, thanks. We might have to keep a little eye on that one . Cheers! - DVdm (talk) 15:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help in administrators' noticeboard discussion

Hi El C, could you help me in this discussion: Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring? Actually, im the first who reported about that case, but it seems like my report has been archived. Since there is no administrators joined in that discussion, i hope you can give your opinion about that case. Thank you. Stvbastian (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Stvbastian. JzG is, in fact, an admin, so further queries about this report should be addressed to them. Regards, El_C 15:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you 16:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Indefinite blocks

Was digging through general sanctions procedures, and remembered that what I knew to be true for ARBCOM-authorized sanctions is also trye, to the best of my knowledge, for community-authorized DS blocks; they are limited to a year. I don't think any of the indefinite blocks we've placed are a problem, but they would convert to regular admin actions after a year, unless I'm much mistaken...Sandstein, you're likely the most experienced in this area; can you help clarify whether the 1-year limitation on DS blocks applies to community-authorized DS regimes too? Vanamonde (Talk) 17:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vanamonde93, WP:AC/DS allows blocks of up to one year, but that applies only to ArbCom-authorized sanctions. The comunity can make up whatever other discretionary sanctions regime it wants to. Sandstein 17:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sandstein: Okay, thanks for the clarification; however, when discussions authorizing these things are closed, they've generally been closed "sanctions are authorized", as far as I can see, without explicit guidance on what sanctions are permitted and what are not (this) is the example relevant here. Does this mean we've got total discretion in that topic area, then? I may raise this at ARBCOM/N if you're uncertain; the purpose of these things is to reduce drama, and the last thing we want from that perspective is for disgruntled users to be yelling about admin abuse at ARBCOM because of questionable documentation. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vanamonde93, it is also unclear to me what the sanctions that the community authorized in that case are. Arbcom is unlikely to be helpful here, because community sanctions are not their business. I've not engaged with any community-authorized sanctions so far and cannot therefore provide further advice either. Sandstein 17:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sandstein: Thanks. I agree that community sanctions are not ARBCOM's bailiwick; however, if an administrator is charged with overstepping that discretion, then that will be ARBCOM's problem. Perhaps I will try AN first, though. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vanamonde, I always considered the one year DS limit to be a procedural anomaly — a peculiarity that GS, thankfully, is not bound by. I see that you've opened Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Limits_to_administrator_discretion:_GS_vs_AC/DS, so it would be interesting to see whether others' also feel that way. El_C 17:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

It is certainly an anomaly, but I want to be sure that my actions under community-authorized regimes are not over-reaching. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure. My understanding is that they are not. In any case, let's hope common sense prevails. El_C 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended protection for article about Richard Stallman

Hi! You added 500/30 protection to the article about Richard Stallman when there was a controversy in the news about him. I think that this protection is no longer necessarily and could be removed, or at least be reduced to semi-protection because he stepped down from his positions as FSF president and visiting scientist at MIT. Dwaro (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure, let's test the waters — why not? El_C 20:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Tablighi Jamaat coronavirus hotspot in Delhi

Hi El C, could you perhaps also restore the talk page of the article? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 01:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 02:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

2020 Tablighi Jamaat coronavirus hotspot in Delhi DRV

Sorry to see you overturned this. The DRV discussion I thought was exceptionally poor with many !keep voters from the AfD commentating and other overturn voters not explicitly commenting on the deletion rationale. A difficult discussion to close so I also appreciate you closing it, but I just wanted to drop a note and say I don't think the right result was achieved here on a purely technical level (I have no interest in the topic.) SportingFlyer T·C 02:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

SportingFlyer, I welcome your dissent. I also appreciated your thoughtful participation in that discussion. But I disagree with your conclusion about the close being incorrect, be it "on a purely technical level," or otherwise. At any event, thank you for letting me know about your own evaluation with respect to the close decision. El_C 02:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Help please

Any chance you'd look at the last edit on my talk and at Jamesville-DeWitt High School and toss a couple obvious VOA blocks? Thanks. Trying my best to keep my patience. John from Idegon (talk) 03:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Final warning issued. Please keep me appraised. El_C 03:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Please semi the article. There's a group of bored kiddos at play. John from Idegon (talk) 03:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

 Already done. El_C 03:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Is the semi-protection of 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Trinidad and Tobago still necessary

The page has become a quiet backwater. I've added the website link local health authority to the infobox, so people will at least know what the correct source is. KittenKlub (talk) 13:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, we go by enhanced standards for COVID articles, per WP:GS/COVID19. Thanks for helping to improve the article. El_C 13:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Your warning

I interpreted their removal of your warning, like the others, as equivalent to a middle finger. They ignored the others and I figured they planned to do the same. I'm sorry if you felt I undermined your approach.--v/r - TP 17:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I just took it as them having read it. That's fine, though, a short block works, too. El_C 17:20, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Anne

In case this question isn't rhetorical, Anne is the apocryphal name for Jesus's maternal grandmother (i.e. Mary's mother). Because she's mentioned in the Koran but not in the Bible, there's always been a weird kind of rivalry between Islam and the varieties of Christianity that practice Mariolatry, as the Christians feel she ought to be important but there's not much written about her in non-Islamic sources. We have a very poor quality article about her at Saint Anne, which I assume the crank is objecting to. ‑ Iridescent 20:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Iridescent, for the detailed explanation. Much appreciated. El_C 20:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Carmaker1 and Dennis Bratland ANI

Thanks for closing the ANI case RE:Carmaker1. One thing i think was missed was that Carmaker1 has repeated their moaning about a trivial mention of "American hicks" waaaaaay back in 2017. They brought it up on their talk page and at Arbcom and again at ANI. They seem to think there is a "long held grudge" over this "hick" alleged slur. Somebody, please, explain to Carmaker1:

1. hick is not a taboo word, not an ethnic slur, not a forbidden offensive word. Please refer Carmaker1 to any dictionary, which does not preceded the word with any annotations that it's a swear word, offensive, etc. It's merely defined as "an unsophisticated provincial person". So writing "h*ck" as if you were writing fuck and didn't want to say fuck so you wrote f*ck (like that somehow makes it better?) is, well, wrong. Hick is a normal word. Calling someone a hick is an extremely mild G-rated putdown. Nobody ever called Carmaker1 a hick. Or me. Or anyone. It's not a thing.
2. The entire "incident" Carmaker1 has spent the last three years (YEARS!) running around complaining over was an irrelevant bit of side banter between me and User:EEng in which they punned the word driving, "So "carmaker1" is "driving" other editors away?" and I replied in kind with a mild gibe about UK English preferring motoring to driving, "Motoring them away. Only hick Americans say 'driving'."
3. The entire thing was off topic. It was an aside. EEng couldn't resist making a pun. It wasn't a pun about Carmaker1 at all. I replied with a little quip that wasn't about Carmaker1. At. All.

Everything I'm saying is extremely obvious. I think that's why nobody has condescended to set Carmaker1 straight. I don't have any grudge over this "hick Americans" thing. It's less than nothing.

I have numerous motor vehicle articles on my watchlist. My watchlist regularly erupts with drama over Carmaker1's inability to refrain from attacking other editors when they mistakenly get the model year date of a car wrong by 1 year. That's the deal. I am one of many editors in the motor vehicle topic space who have brought complaints against them for incivility. There's no grudge. We only want them to stop making personal attacks, and there's mountains of evidence that they never, ever will. Carmaker1 has elaborated in detail all the reasons why they will never submit to Misplaced Pages's norms of conduct. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh super, now I'm an exhibit in an Arbcom case. That'll teach me to keep my big mouth shut. EEng 01:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That case looks like it's going to take the decline train, so fear not my cheerful friend! El_C 01:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Dennis Bratland, I realize there is animosity, but if you stay off of their user talk page, and not go out of your way to interact with them, I think we can just move on. When you do meet via watchlist or whatever, stay matter-of-fact, addressing only the material. Does that sound like a plan? El_C 01:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with TomStar81. The community has failed spectacularly, time and time again, to address what should be an open-and-shut civility case. Arbcom needs to handle it, but now they want ANI to fail one last time before they do the obvious. I have no problem with staying off Carmaker1's talk page. Another non-issue.

At least EEng will finally learn to never, ever pun. Not even once. Look what happens. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no problem with staying off Carmaker1's talk page. That commitment was all that was needed, Dennis Bratland, to resolve this matter, at least in so far as our immediate purposes go. El_C 02:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

EEng will finally learn to never, ever pun – You spoke too soon, I'm afraid. EEng 02:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't get it. Where's Iridescent to explain it to thick-headed yours truly? El_C 02:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll save Arid Desiccant the trouble. See, the subject of Protestantism came up, and Premeditated_Chaos joked Let's Talk About Sects. Then TonyBallioni mentioned something about the lay faithful, so I came along and ... well, lay – get it? Admittedly it's a bit involved. EEng 02:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I think it is now crystallizing into an understanding on my part, somehow. El_C 02:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

You see, it's funny because they lay faithful can have the sex. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Which may or may not also involve "creepy spanking porn"... El_C 02:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Iri's been pinged. He has a favourite image on commons of suggestively arranged cookies he'll show you if you're lucky. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Ooh, I'd be up for something suggestively arranged. El_C 02:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

You mean this one? (If you see anything other than a plate of cookies, you're the pervert.) ‑ Iridescent 07:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Now that is suggestively arranged! El_C 07:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hounding by another editor

I had a Talk Page disagreement with User:Newimpartial on an article over them and another editor refusing to respect my stated identity. I finally walked away from the argument, and days later (today) made an edit on another unrelated page where Newimpartial has never been involved or edited before (Graham Linehan). Newimpartial reverted it in minutes, even though it was an allowed edit made after attempting to discuss with another user for over two months on the Talk Page and receiving no reply.. Newimpartial has placed a Watch on pages I edit solely for the purpose of WP:Hounding me and reverted me 3 times until the same editor who has kept the Linehan page negatively biased joined in so I cannot edit it back any more and am now being warned about edit warring on my talk page by Newimpartial, who seems to have difficulty recognizing that trait in themselves. Lilipo25 (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Very little of this is true. I placed Graham Linehan on my watchlist as part of my long-standing practice of monitoring the pages of anti-Trans activists for bias and BLP issues. That talk page discussion was not "on an unrelated page"; it was on the same topic (anti-Trans activism) as the previous discussion on Talk:Vancouver Rape Relief & Women's Shelter. I recognize that I reverted three of Lilipp's reversions on the Linehan page, but did not violate 3RR as they did.

Most importantly, there was no talk page discussion where I "refused to accept their stated identity". I did point out that the term "cis" cannot be construed as a personal attack on WP, but I never used the label for this (or any other) user. This user has consistently misunderstood my plainly stated edits, failed to assume good faith, cast repeated aspersions, and ignored widespread WP norms such as BRD. Nevertheless, I have tried to encourage this user's participation on WP. To be clear, I am not and never have been HOUNDING this editor, nor would I. Newimpartial (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Newimpartial in fact only added the Linehan article to their watchlist after going through my user contributions and seeing that I was engaged in trying to get another editor to respond with information about a consensus they claimed had been reached that I could find no evidence of. This was after I walked away from our last disagreement and refused to engage with NewImpartial any more because they kept deleting my Talk Page comments over and over to skew how discussions appeared (something they seem to do very frequently to other Misplaced Pages editors, judging by other users' complaints to them).

I told Newimpartial and the other user at least three times that I do not identify as "cis" and found it offensive to be called that. As it is my identity, it does not matter if Newimpartial considers it offensive or if Misplaced Pages considers it a personal attack; it only matters that I do not identify with it and made it clear that I found that identity being applied to me objectionable. The other user continued to taunt me with the label, despite knowing nothing about me, and Newimpartial stated that there was nothing wrong with them calling me that and deleted my objections. It was clear Newimpartial would not stop censoring me and I walked away, only to have them show up days later at the very next edit I made, on a page they had never edited before, to revert it within minutes. Lilipo25 (talk) 22:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Once again, this is largely untrue. The only edit I deleted from Talk:Vancouver Rape Relief & Women's Shelter was this one, which is clearly an indefensible edit per policy, violating both the WP:TPG and WP:CIVIL. Without a shred of evidence, the edit accused me of being a "misogynist", that I "enjoy smacking a woman into place and telling her it's good for her" and of saying that Lilipo "and other women are not permitted to decide what terms are offensive to describe us with and what aren't because you have decided for us" - none of which is remotely true, and none of which was supported by a shred of evidence. When I calmly reverted this edit, citing policy, Lilipo reverted back, saying that they didn't start the dispute. When I pointed out that this reasoning wasn't policy-compliant and collapsed the whole digression, Lilipo made more unsubstantiated accusations, as they continue to do to present. Newimpartial (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)