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This dispute is mainly regarding the use of the term '']'' in the article's title, versus proposed variations with terms such as '']'', '']'', and '']''. There was a recent ], and a ] both coupled by a huge debate. The article is presently protected due to edit-warring regarding the {{tl|POV-title}} tag.
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'''Statements by editors previously involved in dispute:'''

===Statement by NikoSilver===

*The poll ended with consensus in one of the numerous options, namely ]. The other options were either ''opposed'', or marked with ''no consensus''.
*The initial debate was that the "acts" defined in ] were not sourced. At present the article has practically every sentence ] by ], ], ] sources.
*The debate later evolved as to if it is ] to assume that the facts to their extent provide adequate reason to name the article as such. Academic sources ''explicitly'' or ''inexplicitly'' stating it was a genocide were provided. Namely:

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:*''Turkey, still struggling to achieve its ninety-five-year-old dream of becoming the beacon of democracy in the Near East, does everything possible to deny its '''genocide''' of the Armenians, Assyrians, and '''Pontian Greeks'''.<ref>{{cite book| url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?vid=ISBN1859845509&id=khCffgX1NPIC&pg=PR13&lpg=PR13&vq=&sig=VgQBQ4-HVjDy2Kju1RpfDdy3N8E | title= With Intent to Destroy: Reflections on Genocide | first =Colin Tatz | last=Cohn Jatz | publisher=Verso |year=2003 | ISBN=1859845509 | location=Essex}}</ref>
:*'''''] against the Greeks'''...'''genocide'''...'''347,000 dead'''''<ref>{{cite web| url= http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP5.HTM |title= Statistics of Democide | work=Chapter 5, Statistics Of Turkey's Democide Estimates, Calculations, And Sources | accessmonthday= October, 4 | accessyear=2006}}</ref>
:*'''''systematic extermination'''...'''annihilation'''...'''in a persistent campaign of massacre'''''<br>''Note: Term "genocide" had not been coined yet.''<ref>{{cite book | first=George | last= Horton | title=The Blight of Asia | url= http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/HortonBook.htm | year=1926 | publisher=The Bobbs-Merrill Company | location= Indianapolis}}</ref>
:*'''''compared experience to the ]'''''<ref>{{cite book| url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?vid=ISBN0765801515&id=g26NmNNWK1QC&pg=PA210&lpg=PA210&dq=pontian+isbn:0765801515&num=100&sig=D8lv0QCu9iCqIji5nfiYvhBRC_Q&hl=en| title= Pioneers of Genocide Studies (Clt)| first=Samuel Totten |last= Steven L. Jacobs | year=2002 | pages= 213 | ISBN= 0765801515 | publisher: Transaction Publishers | location=New Brunswick, New Jersey }}</ref>
:*'''''series of massacres, pertinent to the Armenian Genocide'''''<ref>'''', by Mark Levene, University of Warwick, © 1998 by United States Holocaust Memorial Museum</ref>
:*'''''ethnic cleansing'''''<ref>Norman M. Naimark, ''Fires of Hatred: Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe'', Cambridge and London: Harvard University Press, 2001.</ref>
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*Various ]s recognize the events as a genocide.
*Apart from the (obvious) recognition by ] and ], the events have been recognized by the states of ], ], ], ], ] and ]. ] issued a proclamation designating May 19, 2002 as ''Pontian Greek Genocide Remembrance Day''.
*Apart from ], no other country has explicitly expressed they dispute the genocide thesis.
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This dispute is mainly regarding the use of the term genocide in the article's title, versus proposed variations with terms such as massacres, deportations, and ethnic cleansing. There was a recent mediation, and a straw poll both coupled by a huge debate. The article is presently protected due to edit-warring regarding the {{POV-title}} tag. 01:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Statements by editors previously involved in dispute:

Statement by NikoSilver

  • The poll ended with consensus in one of the numerous options, namely Pontic Greek genocide. The other options were either opposed, or marked with no consensus.
  • The initial debate was that the "acts" defined in genocide were not sourced. At present the article has practically every sentence cited by independent, verifiable, reliable sources.
  • The debate later evolved as to if it is original research to assume that the facts to their extent provide adequate reason to name the article as such. Academic sources explicitly or inexplicitly stating it was a genocide were provided. Namely:
Academic quotes
  • Turkey, still struggling to achieve its ninety-five-year-old dream of becoming the beacon of democracy in the Near East, does everything possible to deny its genocide of the Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontian Greeks.
  • democide against the Greeks...genocide...347,000 dead
  • systematic extermination...annihilation...in a persistent campaign of massacre
    Note: Term "genocide" had not been coined yet.
  • compared experience to the Holocaust
  • series of massacres, pertinent to the Armenian Genocide
  • ethnic cleansing
  1. Cohn Jatz, Colin Tatz (2003). With Intent to Destroy: Reflections on Genocide. Essex: Verso. ISBN 1859845509.
  2. "Statistics of Democide". Chapter 5, Statistics Of Turkey's Democide Estimates, Calculations, And Sources. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |accessmonthday= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |accessyear= ignored (|access-date= suggested) (help)
  3. Horton, George (1926). The Blight of Asia. Indianapolis: The Bobbs-Merrill Company.
  4. Steven L. Jacobs, Samuel Totten (2002). Pioneers of Genocide Studies (Clt). New Brunswick, New Jersey. p. 213. ISBN 0765801515. {{cite book}}: Text "publisher: Transaction Publishers" ignored (help)CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)
  5. Creating a Modern "Zone of Genocide": The Impact of Nation- and State-Formation on Eastern Anatolia, 1878–1923, by Mark Levene, University of Warwick, © 1998 by United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
  6. Norman M. Naimark, Fires of Hatred: Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe, Cambridge and London: Harvard University Press, 2001.

NikoSilver 01:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

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