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    The Requests for closure noticeboard is for posting requests to have an uninvolved editor assess, summarize, and formally close a discussion on Misplaced Pages. Formal closure by an uninvolved editor or administrator should be requested where consensus remains unclear, where the issue is a contentious one, or where there are wiki-wide implications, such as when the discussion is about creating, abolishing or changing a policy or guideline.

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    Requests for closure

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    Administrative discussions

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    Talk:Religion in Israel#RfC: Pie chart

    (Initiated 1789 days ago on 16 February 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Religion in Israel#RfC: Pie chart? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Players#RfC on Honours section

    (Initiated 1784 days ago on 21 February 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Players#RfC on Honours section? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries#Two part RfC about inclusion criteria for listing candidates in infoboxes AND Rfc regarding the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries infobox template

    (Initiated 1780 days ago on 26 February 2020) & (Initiated 1772 days ago on 4 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at these related RfCs here & here. This may be a difficult close, as the conversation has had a tenancy to spill over into other talk page sections and overlaps with other RfCs.  Thanks--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

    Note to closer: A participant discussion is taking place here with the hope of resolving or partly resolving the first of these RfCs without the need for a formal close.  With any luck, that discussion may resolve or narrow the issues of the first RfC.  I do not believe its creator, Davemoth, intended it to resolve the issues raised in the second RfC however.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Vita#Request for Comment

    (Initiated 1779 days ago on 27 February 2020) Requesting an administrator to please close the RfC and ensuing discussions there, since there is already a consensus not to add Josephus' Vita to the Vita Disambiguation page.Davidbena (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Mottainai#RFC on Yuriko Sato citation

    (Initiated 1774 days ago on 3 March 2020) RFC has been open for 15 days, but has seen no new participation in 11 days. An administrative close will likely be needed, and sooner seems better than later. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:58, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:University of Pittsburgh#RfC about the description of the governance of this university

    (Initiated 1767 days ago on 10 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:University of Pittsburgh#RfC about the description of the governance of this university? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

     Not done no formal close needed. Participants on the talk page can judge the outcome themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Bakarkhani#RfC about the infobox

    (Initiated 1765 days ago on 11 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Bakarkhani#RfC about the infobox? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

     Not done no formal close needed. Participants on the talk page can judge the outcome themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Julian Assange#RfC about Sentence in Lede on GRU Indictments

    (Initiated 1763 days ago on 14 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Julian Assange#RfC about Sentence in Lede on GRU Indictments? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Ilhan Omar#RfC about allegations of an affair

    (Initiated 1762 days ago on 15 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Ilhan Omar#RfC about allegations of an affair? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:People's Mujahedin of Iran#RfC about statements from former members of the MEK

    (Initiated 1760 days ago on 16 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:People's Mujahedin of Iran#RfC about statements from former members of the MEK? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Birds of Prey (2020 film)#RfC about relation to DCEU Universe and break-even point

    (Initiated 1758 days ago on 19 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess if, and if yes what, consensus was reached at Talk:Birds of Prey (2020 film)#RfC? Note there is some discussion immediately above the RfC that should be considered. thank you. ToeFungii (talk) 02:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:National Endowment for Democracy#RfC: FAIR and other challenged content

    (Initiated 1755 days ago on 21 March 2020) I would like a formal closure of this RFC (includes reference to the accompanying discussion above) by an uninvolved editor. --Cold Season (talk) 03:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Down syndrome#RfC on the first part of the first sentence

    (Initiated 1754 days ago on 23 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Down syndrome#RfC on the first part of the first sentence? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

     Not done no formal close needed. Participants on the talk page can judge the outcome themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Donald Trump#RfC: North Korea in the lead

    (Initiated 1752 days ago on 24 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Donald Trump#RfC: North Korea in the lead? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Religion in Albania#RfC

    (Initiated 1752 days ago on 25 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Religion in Albania#RfC? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Women's rights in Iran#RFC on Bayat's fear

    (Initiated 1749 days ago on 28 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Women's rights in Iran#RFC on Bayat's fear? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Simvastatin#Clarification of RfC

    (Initiated 1747 days ago on 30 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Simvastatin#Clarification of RfC? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Ethosuximide#RfC

    (Initiated 1746 days ago on 31 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Ethosuximide#RfC? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Project Veritas#RfC on motives for targeting ACORN

    (Initiated 1745 days ago on 31 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Project Veritas#RfC on motives for targeting ACORN? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

     Not done no formal close needed. Participants on the talk page can judge the outcome themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/April Fools' 3

    (Initiated 1744 days ago on 1 April 2020) Would an administrator please assess the consensus at the discussions at this page? No rush on this, since it won't be needed until next April, but it should be done thoroughly, since there are (in my view) a lot of non-policy based responses that need to be discounted. Thanks, {{u|Sdkb}}23:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Alan Dershowitz#RfC on Menetrez response

    (Initiated 1743 days ago on 3 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Alan Dershowitz#RfC on Menetrez response? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

     Not done no formal close needed. Participants on the talk page can judge the outcome themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Greece#RfC on "concern that Turkey may deliberately send infected refugees... to spread the virus through the camps"

    (Initiated 1738 days ago on 8 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Greece#RfC on "concern that Turkey may deliberately send infected refugees... to spread the virus through the camps"? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:New York City Subway#Rfc about station layouts

    (Initiated 1736 days ago on 10 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:New York City Subway#Rfc about station layouts? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

     Not done no formal close needed. Participants on the talk page can judge the outcome themselves. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update

    (Initiated 1735 days ago on 10 April 2020) Would an administrator assess the consensus at the discussions of this page. The discussion is starting to slow down and I think now would be the time for a close. Interstellarity (talk) 22:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

     Doing... Barkeep49 (talk) 22:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Donald Trump#RfC: Coronavirus in the lead

    (Initiated 1735 days ago on 11 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at this discussion? Thanks. Mgasparin (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content#Requiring non-free content to indicate that in their filenames

    (Initiated 1734 days ago on 11 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at the RfC at Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content#Requiring non-free content to indicate that in their filenames? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:One America News Network#RFC on One America News Network - Application of bias descriptor

    (Initiated 1732 days ago on 13 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:One America News Network#RFC on One America News Network - Application of bias descriptor? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Deep state in the United States#RfC: Should the lead paragraph include explicit mention of non-conspiracy theories of the Deep state in the United State as detailed in existing body text and footnotes?

    (Initiated 1732 days ago on 13 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Deep state in the United States#RfC: Should the lead paragraph include explicit mention of non-conspiracy theories of the Deep state in the United State as detailed in existing body text and footnotes?? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration#RFC: West Bank village articles

    (Initiated 1731 days ago on 14 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration#RFC: West Bank village articles? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums#RfC on Infoboxes: Should there always be two candidates?

    (Initiated 1731 days ago on 14 April 2020) Would an editor assess consensus and close this RfC when appropriate?  Thanks--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Joe Biden#RfC: Should this article include Tara Reade's criminal complaint against Joe Biden?

    (Initiated 1729 days ago on 17 April 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Talk:Joe Biden#RfC: Should this article include Tara Reade's criminal complaint against Joe Biden?? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 293#RfC: Is African Independent a reliable source?

    (Initiated 1726 days ago on 19 April 2020) Would an uninvolved experienced editor please assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 293#RfC: Is African Independent a reliable source? Thank you. — Newslinger talk 13:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages talk:External links#Request for comment on finding aids

    (Initiated 1722 days ago on 24 April 2020) Formal close needed SpinningSpark 11:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality#Request for Comments (RfC) - Stalemate regarding undue weight

    (Initiated 1715 days ago on 1 May 2020) Would an administrator who has not edited the article assess consensus and close this RfC when appropriate?  Thanks--Freeknowledgecreator (talk) 06:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

    Although we have received many very helpful observations, suggestions, opinions, and points of order (for lack of a better term), we unfortunately have not reached consensus. I therefore support Freeknowledgecreator's request for closure. (I posted the RfC.) Thank you!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 03:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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    Time to close AFD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lupe Hernández

    (Initiated 1710 days ago on 6 May 2020) This article Lupe Hernández has now been up for deletion for another 7 days after the AFD was relisted. I think it's time to close this debate. Davidgoodheart (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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    Other types of closing requests

    Copyright P backlog

    There is a huge backlog at the WP:COPYPROB listings section. If there is anyone who is familiar with CRP who could alleviate this issue, it would be appreciated. 92.9.147.195 (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Middle-earth peoples#Merger proposal — Radagast

    (Initiated 1972 days ago on 18 August 2019): Discussion longstanding and somewhat scattered with additional comments at Talk:Radagast#Merge and separate merge discussions of other Middle-earth articles on the talk page; there was also an AfD from 12 November 2019 resulting in Keep. I attempted close as recorded at the end of the discussion at 19:13, 12 February 2020 but this was reverted at 16:08, 18 March 2020‎, so please close. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:2020 Formula One World Championship#Map

    (Initiated 1880 days ago on 17 November 2019) Please determine the consensus (if any) at Talk:2020 Formula One World Championship#Map. Thank you,
    SSSB (talk) 09:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

    information Note: An RfC has just started to discuss whether there should be a map at all. Therefore this discussion may be void after the RfC closes.
    SSSB (talk) 17:39, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
    information Note: That RfC has finished and we still need this discussion to be closed. Thanks,
    SSSB (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Global warming#Second discussion on titles for potential move request

    information Note: The discussion has been archived: Talk:Global warming/Archive 80#Second discussion on titles for potential move request

    (Initiated 1865 days ago on 2 December 2019) Would an experienced editor assess consensus at Talk:Global warming#Second discussion on titles for potential move request. Various topics may require assessment: A) is there consensus for/against a split/fork between 'Climate Change' and 'Global warming' B) Is there consensus to start a rename proposal for either of the two options on the table B) is there consensus to wait a period of time for more developments/research before making an official move. Femke Nijsse (talk) 10:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:Blanchard's transsexualism typology#Merger proposal

    (Initiated 1807 days ago on 30 January 2020) Would an experienced editor please assess the consensus and close this merge proposal? It's not a long discussion, but it has been there since 30 January. Crossroads 06:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Newslaundry on OpIndia

    (Initiated 1769 days ago on 8 March 2020) Would an experienced editor assess the consensus at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Newslaundry on OpIndia? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

    Hi Cunard, I noticed that you restored this discussion from the archive and then listed it here for closure. This discussion was actually an ordinary discussion and not an RfC. If you believe a formal closure would be helpful, that is totally fine, but I think this request belongs in the #Other types of closing requests section. Thanks for keeping all of the RfCs in order – it's something I really appreciate! — Newslinger talk 10:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you, Newslinger (talk · contribs), and thank you for the excellent work you've done at WP:RSN and WP:ANRFC! I have moved this close request from the #RfCs section to the #Other types of closing requests section. There has been substantial discussion about the reliability of the source, so I think a close would be helpful to determine whether the source can be used to verify the proposed material. If you think the issue is already resolved or a close would not be helpful, I am fine with withdrawing this close request. Cunard (talk) 10:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
    I don't think a withdrawal is needed. This discussion will be, in all likelihood, the first of many discussions on this source, and a closure would probably be helpful. — Newslinger talk 11:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic#Should we switch the lead infobox map from cases per capita to deaths per capita?

    (Initiated 1750 days ago on 27 March 2020) It would be helpful for an admin to assess consensus and close this discussion about a timely topic. {{u|Sdkb}}19:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


    Talk:Joe Biden#Tara Reade alleged Biden "penetrated with his fingers" without her consent

    (Initiated 1747 days ago on 29 March 2020) Please review Talk:Joe Biden#Tara Reade alleged Biden "penetrated with his fingers" without her consent. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

    merger discussion at Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in Maharashtra

    (Initiated 1744 days ago on 1 April 2020) at Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in Maharashtra#Proposed merge of 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Pune into 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Maharashtra. To be fair, there is one comment against the merge in on the talkpage, out of the discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 01:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

    Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Edward Kosner

    (Initiated 1717 days ago on 28 April 2020) Should his article state that he is Jewish? People have opinions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:56, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

    BLP issue at Allegations against Joe Biden

    (Initiated 1717 days ago on 29 April 2020) There's been an extended talk page discussion and poll, after an editor several times replaced an image of Biden's accuser -- which had been in place since near the time the article was created -- with a compound image in which Biden is shown alongside the accuser. Could a BLP-oriented Admin please have a look at this and advise as appropriate. After a brief respite with talk page discussion underway, the side-by-side illustration was again substituted this morning, so a timely review would help us move forward one way or the other. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 17:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

    Talk:2019–20 Hong Kong protests#Collaboration group

    (Initiated 1712 days ago on 4 May 2020) Could an experienced editor please review Talk:2019–20 Hong Kong protests#Collaboration group? --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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