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	You've read my comment, and you got a mulligan on the appeal. Be smart. ''']] (])''' 05:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)		You've read my comment, and you got a mulligan on the appeal. Be smart. ''']] (])''' 05:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

			== Your request at WP:AE to lift your community ban has been declined ==

			Hello Davidbena. Please see . Our advice is: "Davidbena can then make a new request at WP:AN if desired and point out that his May 27 appeal at AN was archived without being formally closed." So it is not forum-shopping if you decide to go to AN with this issue. My personal opinion is that your chances of getting the ban lifted could be better if you wait. If you go to AN, your appeal should consider including the ban history:

			{{hat\|1=Ban history (copied from the AE)}}
			When he does so, perhaps he can include links to all the prior ban or unban discussions:
			::#August 2018 – Original TBAN thread: ]
			::#February 2019 – Successful appeal of first TBAN: ]
			::#April 2019 – Second TBAN imposed: ]
			::#November 2019 – Unsuccessful appeal of second TBAN: ]
			::#May 2020 – Latest appeal of second TBAN: ] – This appeal was archived from AN without any closure.
			::At the same time, the prior closers ought to be notified: Bishonen, Oshwah and Euryalus. If Davidbena renews his AN appeal, he needs a better argument. (A vague promise to do better in the future might be OK the first time around). He should address his past problems with more than generalities. Also, it will be more persuasive if he doesn't {{green\|"others with many more blocks than me have been allowed to edit in this area."}}. Also he mentions two co-editors in the area who used to be opponents that he now gets along with. {{green\|"The same editors that I disagreed with, I have also a long record of cordial relations with, here on Misplaced Pages"}}. Maybe he can give the names of those two editors and ask them to comment on his appeal. ] (]) 18:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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David Welcome to Wiki, Your Patience and attitude is great.

Sorry you have been bit so hard by some of the editors. Some have abused you and clearly violated wikis rule of conduct. It is unfortunate that many who do this know better. Below is a post by a self described New Age editor with a bias against you. I verbally censured him on his talk page and you could bring his intolerant comments to an administrator for guidance on how to address his behavior. I am somewhat new also but know his stereotype is not tolerated on Wiki.

For a Bible thumper it may be very difficult to understand that the Bible is not wholly and objectively true. But as long as he keeps his faith in the infallibility of the Bible completely separate from his Misplaced Pages activities, he could be a good editor. Some years ago I did not know that one has to use reliable sources in order to edit Misplaced Pages, but when asked to consider it, I understood this is required from everybody and I complied with this request. For me, the decision was between complying and continuing to edit and quitting in protest; I was not willing to create problems through my edits. This does not imply that I lost faith in the truth of my contributions, but I have understood that they are required to be encyclopedically verifiable. And verifiable means having reliable sources.

Re. Message

Hello. You have a new message at Anupmehra's talk page.

Women in Red World Contest

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topic ban reminder

David, the portions of the article Hebraization of Palestinian place names that are related to the Arab-Israeli topic area (eg occupied) are off limits for you (unless your topic ban has been rescinded, in which case sorry for not finding a record of that). Please respect the limits of the ban. nableezy - 02:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, not exactly. My argument is that this article (which is a geographical article mentioning place names of Israel) does not apply to the Arab-Israeli conflict, per se, by a consensus of its contributing editors. Applying Hebrew names to ancient sites in Palestine has been going on long before the Arab-Israeli conflict. We have already discussed this at the beginning of the making of this article. The fact that someone wants to hijack the article and to turn it into a ARBPIA area of conflict still does not make it so. Before editing this article, I contacted an administrator with the request to remove its ARBPIA template by consensus of the editors, and which was agreed upon. Davidbena (talk) 02:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

When you discuss the occupation you are discussing the topic area. The entirety of the article is not within the topic area, the part that you are discussing is. Which administrator? nableezy - 05:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

So I will desist from speaking about the "occupation." It doesn't really belong in the article anyway.Davidbena (talk) 11:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Advice

You've read my comment, and you got a mulligan on the appeal. Be smart. starship .paint (talk) 05:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Your request at WP:AE to lift your community ban has been declined

Hello Davidbena. Please see this decision. Our advice is: "Davidbena can then make a new request at WP:AN if desired and point out that his May 27 appeal at AN was archived without being formally closed." So it is not forum-shopping if you decide to go to AN with this issue. My personal opinion is that your chances of getting the ban lifted could be better if you wait. If you go to AN, your appeal should consider including the ban history:

Ban history (copied from the AE)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
When he does so, perhaps he can include links to all the prior ban or unban discussions: August 2018 – Original TBAN thread: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive989#Davidbena February 2019 – Successful appeal of first TBAN: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Request to lift my topic ban issued against me in August 2018 April 2019 – Second TBAN imposed: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive308#Hounding and Deliberate Disruptive Editing November 2019 – Unsuccessful appeal of second TBAN: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive315#Request to lift topic ban May 2020 – Latest appeal of second TBAN: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly requesting admins to rescind my ARBPIA topic ban – This appeal was archived from AN without any closure. At the same time, the prior closers ought to be notified: Bishonen, Oshwah and Euryalus. If Davidbena renews his AN appeal, he needs a better argument. (A vague promise to do better in the future might be OK the first time around). He should address his past problems with more than generalities. Also, it will be more persuasive if he doesn't take up space in his own appeal to blame others: "others with many more blocks than me have been allowed to edit in this area.". Also he mentions two co-editors in the area who used to be opponents that he now gets along with. "The same editors that I disagreed with, I have also a long record of cordial relations with, here on Misplaced Pages". Maybe he can give the names of those two editors and ask them to comment on his appeal. EdJohnston (talk) 18:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Ban history (copied from the AE)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

When he does so, perhaps he can include links to all the prior ban or unban discussions:

August 2018 – Original TBAN thread: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive989#Davidbena
February 2019 – Successful appeal of first TBAN: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Request to lift my topic ban issued against me in August 2018
April 2019 – Second TBAN imposed: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive308#Hounding and Deliberate Disruptive Editing
November 2019 – Unsuccessful appeal of second TBAN: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive315#Request to lift topic ban
May 2020 – Latest appeal of second TBAN: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive320#Kindly requesting admins to rescind my ARBPIA topic ban – This appeal was archived from AN without any closure.

At the same time, the prior closers ought to be notified: Bishonen, Oshwah and Euryalus. If Davidbena renews his AN appeal, he needs a better argument. (A vague promise to do better in the future might be OK the first time around). He should address his past problems with more than generalities. Also, it will be more persuasive if he doesn't take up space in his own appeal to blame others: "others with many more blocks than me have been allowed to edit in this area.". Also he mentions two co-editors in the area who used to be opponents that he now gets along with. "The same editors that I disagreed with, I have also a long record of cordial relations with, here on Misplaced Pages". Maybe he can give the names of those two editors and ask them to comment on his appeal. EdJohnston (talk) 18:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

–EdJohnston (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2020 (UTC)