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Lebanese prisoners

I agree that the material copy and pasted from the Khiam Center needs to be cleaned up (just haven't gotten around to it), but I wouldn't remove it entirely. It is useful information. I think the user who posted it was acting in good faith and not trying to disrupt Misplaced Pages. The best way to balance the article would be a press release or statement from the IDF or the Israeli government which states clearly how many Lebanese prisoners there are in Israel. I believe they only acknowledge Samir Kuntar, but I haven't been able to find an official statement.

As to Lebanese prisoners in Syria (and missing Lebanese believed to be in Syria), in my opinion the way to handle that would be to have a separate article, with links between the Prisoners in Israel/Prisoners in Syria articles. Sanguinalis 01:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Saeb Erekat

Rama has started a dialogue in the Saeb Erekat article as requested. Please respond to his/her arguments and please always assume WP:GF in this discussion.

Good luck and best regards.

Khukri 10:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Richard Landes

You seem to be saying that because Richard Landes is a respected figure in the field of medieval history, we can state as fact anything he writes on his website, even on topics totally unrelated to that field. By that argument, since Noam Chomsky is a respected figure in the field of linguistics, I can insert anything on Noam Chomsky's website as fact in any Misplaced Pages article whatsoever. By the way, Daniel Leconte has stated unequivocally that he does not believe the al-Dura shooting was staged: see Talk:Al-Aqsa_Intifada#Muhammed_Al-Durrah_caption. Sanguinalis 02:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

good points Sanguinalis, but you slightly interpreted the inteview with Daniel Laconte - he does not state anything about the al-Dura shooting but only states that 90 percept of the footage on the full tape is obviously faked and the executives replied to him in the type of "but they are all fake" - there was no mention about his views to the al dura case itself... that's why i think you could say that france2 admitted that most footage from the palestinian freelances is staged. would appreciate your reply, and i do still think that admittance should be inserted somehow.

Jaakobou 14:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

But he does talk about the al-Dura case, in the very same radio interview that Landes refers to on his website. It's in the pararaph that starts "Alors voilà, il y a des mises en scène, sauf une." Specifically referring to the theories of Mena ("dire que tout est une mise en scène dans la mort de l’enfant, dans les blessures du père etc" - "to say that everything is staged in the death of the child, in the wounds of the father, etc.") Laconte says "Nous, ce qu’on a vu ne nous amène pas du tout à dire ça, et plutôt même à dire le contraire" - "Nothing we have seen leads us to say that, rather to say just the reverse" Later in the interview Laconte draws a comparison between the evidence provided by Mena to support their staging thesis and that used to support 9/11 conspiracy theories. It's certainly not the case that Laconte makes no mention of his views of the al-Dura shooting. The fact that Landes doesn't mention these parts of the interview in his account is a perfect illustration of why he shouldn't be trusted as a source (in my opinion).

That being said, I agree with you that Laconte's testimony about what was said to him during his meeting with France 2 does merit inclusion in the article. I wouldn't object to it being mentioned in the "Controversy" section of the article. I disagree with it being in the lead. After all, we don't have Talal Abu Rahma's there either. Sanguinalis 01:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hate speech

Refrain from calling those with whom you disagree 'haters'. The information is sourced and factual. If you don't like it, bring other sources which bring different stories. Do not delete information from articles. Thank you. --Daniel575 | (talk) 08:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

excuse me, but sources that lie blatently are not "sourced and factual", it has nothing to do with agreeing to my opinion or not agreeing, it's about propagating hatepseech and then crediting it as a factual source. on that same note, seconddraft.com have been rejected from being cited on the al-dura liable.

Muhammad al-Durrah

Hi, I saw your edit to Muhammad al-Durrah. Keep up the good work, your presence on Misplaced Pages is valued. KazakhPol 18:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I see you've done some great work in dealing with bias on Misplaced Pages. If you ever run into the position in which you want a page reverted, but cant because of WP:3RR, feel free to contact me. I am more than happy to assist. KazakhPol 00:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)