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| * The main points of the bio can been see quickly for those that don't want to read the whole thing | * The main points of the bio can been see quickly for those that don't want to read the whole thing | ||
| * It shows the info in wikidata is matches the artical | * It shows the info in wikidata is matches the artical (which can then be used as the basis for translations of the bio) | ||
| * It ensure that microdata is in place for any search engine crawlers coming past | * It ensure that microdata is in place for any search engine crawlers coming past | ||
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Requested moves
- 12 Jan 2025 – Jack Carter (actor) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Jack Carter (stage actor) by Roman Spinner (t · c); see discussion
- 12 Jan 2025 – Kim Yoon-ah (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Kim Yuna (singer) by RachelTensions (t · c); see discussion
- 12 Jan 2025 – Val Valentino (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Masked Magician by Turtletennisfogwheat (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Jan 2025 – Baked Alaska (livestreamer) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Baked Alaska (influencer) by Psychloppos (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Jan 2025 – Tony Ahn (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Tony An by RachelTensions (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Jan 2025 – Charles Corbin (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to André Charles Corbin by McPhail (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Jan 2025 – Kevin Gaines (police officer) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Killing of Kevin Gaines by 4meter4 (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Jan 2025 – Doris Angleton (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Murder of Doris Angleton by 4meter4 (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Jan 2025 – Benjamin M. Friedman (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Benjamin Friedman by Roman Spinner (t · c); see discussion
- 10 Jan 2025 – Daniel A. Nigro (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Daniel Nigro by JeffSpaceman (t · c); see discussion
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Proposed deletion of Felix Rossignol
The article Felix Rossignol has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
It does not meet the notability criteria for biographies.
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January 2020 at Women in Red
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Brandon Adams Article
While I am not the original writer of the Brandon Adams article, I would like to make one suggestion. I think it is only befitting that there be mention of the murder of Merlin Santana included in the article as Brandon Adams was the driver of the car that Merlin was in the night he was murdered. Whoever wrote the Merlin Santana article mentioned this information but they listed Brandon as Brandon Q. Adams. There is a hyperlink over Brandon Q. Adams' name in the Merlin Santana article which reverts you to the Brandon Adams article, but there is no mention of the shooting/murder of Merlin there. The suspects were not only charged with murdering Merlin but also in the attempted murder of Brandon, and I just feel that that needs to be mentioned on his article.
Age is impossible
How can he be a member of Royal Serbian army and fight in world war one (1914-1918) when he was born in 1941 ? Its wrong information, please check the facts, this is ridiculous !
Kindly remove Tarbuj of Maharashtra from Devendra Fadnavis's Misplaced Pages
Someone added Tarbuj of Maharashtra in Devendra Fadnavis's wikipedia page Someone added without reference, Kindly remove as soon as possible.
July 2020 at Women in Red
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--Rosiestep (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Hans Gross, "Criminal Investigations, a Practical Textbook" and the Inspector Ghote books by HRF Keating
The fictional detective Inspector Ganesh Ghote frequently refers to "Criminal Investigations, a Practical Textbook" https://en.wikipedia.org/Inspector_Ghote HRF Keating https://en.wikipedia.org/H._R._F._Keating 2.30.142.170 (talk) 07:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
John Alexander Carroll
I am pretty sure, Dr. Carroll served on the USS Nevada at Pearl Harbor, not the California. He ran away from his family's ranch in Wyoming when he was 16 and joined the Navy in San Diego. According to Dr. Carroll he told the recruiter he wanted to get as far away from Wyoming as possible, and was assigned to the Pacific fleet aboard the USS Nevada.
During the attack at Pearl Harbor he received an eye wound which he underwent a number of surgeries throughout the remainder of his life. He vividly talked about watching the Arizona blow up in front of him - that's when he was wounded. After the war, he served on Truman's Presidential Yacht in DC, where he began his undergraduate studies at Georgetown. He received his BA, MA and Phd from Georgetown.
While a professor at UCLA, he acted as a double for Clark Gable in the movie Across the Wide Missouri. Anytime you saw Gable from a distance on a horse, that was actually Dr. Carroll who learned to ride in Wyoming.
He also spent time at Troy University in Alabama. Would teach his classes without the use of a text book, as an outline for him or for his students to read. Revered by most of his students, he wore silk suits, a wide-brimmed hat and spats almost every day and spoke about historical events as if he was there. 2600:1702:1FC0:54B0:B5D8:BBB8:AAED:178B (talk) 01:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
RfC on tagging BLP with template messages signaling COI and OWN
There is an RfC on the following link: Talk:Boris_Malagurski#RfC_on_Template_messages_and_Article_sections. It concerns dispute over tagging the BLP article with template messages which point to the possible COI and OWN issues that plagues the article for more than a ten years.--౪ Santa ౪ 01:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
CAT:NN
CAT:NN has a crazy backlog, including over 13,000 biographies some of which have been waiting almost 12 years: Can you please help? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
RfC on Zak Smith
There is a current RFC on Zak Smith that the project may be interested in weighing in. Chetsford (talk) 15:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Jean-Michel Jarre GAR
I am doing a GAR on article about of the greatest and most essential electronic musicians of all-time: Jean-Michel Jarre. Participate in this link here: Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment/Jean-Michel Jarre/1. ias:postb□x 13:03, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Jonguxolo Sandile
I've done a little bit, but I am was wondering if there are any other language articles to link up with. Thought I post here to get peeps to help build the article. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
John E. Kelly III
Resolved
Hello! On behalf of IBM and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I have drafted a Misplaced Pages article for John E. Kelly III (Wikidata entry), the "father" of Watson (computer) who has also received multiple notable awards, including the IEEE Frederik Philips Award and IEEE Robert N. Noyce Medal. Mr. Kelly's career is well-documented, and I've worked to draft a neutral article using only reputable sourcing. IBM has reviewed the accuracy of the text, and I should also note, there are red links requesting creation of this page at List of Dublin City University people and List of Union College alumni, among other pages where he is mentioned. Before I submit to AfC, I wanted to see if any editors here might be interested to review this entry and potentially move into main space?
Thanks in advance! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- This request has been answered, so I've marked this section as resolved. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
J. W. Dunne
There is a disagreement at J. W. Dunne over the semantics of describing his father, who was born in Ireland of Irish stock but served as a General in the British Army. Any contributions to the discussion at Talk:J. W. Dunne#Nationality of father would be appreciated. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Berkay Çatak
I am really not sure what to make of this article, I see nothing remarkable that makes me think it should be on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 10:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Multiple careers and publications
Carl Sargent had two distinct careers, dealt with in separate sections. Each career produced several publications. To me, it makes sense to include the publications relating to each career as subsections within each career section, along the lines of:
- Career1
- Career1 publications
- Career2
- Career2 publications
However the article has a separate main section for publications, with subsections for each career. Thus, each career is effectively scattered across biographical topics, like this:
- Career1
- Career2
- Publications
- Career1 publications
Is there any good reason not to rearrange the article (and others with the same issue) as I first suggest? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
How to record nationality on Wikidata?
I invite your feedback on a property proposal for nationality as a cultural identity over on Wikidata. The proposed property is meant to offer an alternative to "ethnic group" and to nationality as defined by citizenship. Your comments are welcome. Thank you. Qono (talk) 04:52, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Rating review requested
An editor has proposed that the current C-class rating of Husayn ibn Ali should be upgraded. Bio-article ratings aren't my area, so I'm just passing along this request for help from others. DMacks (talk) 09:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Does it really matter? There are only a few ratings that matter: "stub", because it categorizes the article as needing attention; any non-stub quality rating, because it removes the article from categories that imply it needs attention; "GA", because it requires a formal review; and "FA", because it's our highest quality standard and has many rules surrounding it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
August 2020 at Women in Red
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--Rosiestep (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Musicians
Template:WikiProject Musicians has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Chris Gragg FAR
I have nominated Chris Gragg for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Tonystewart14 (talk) 03:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
I have started a discussion here on the usage of maiden vs. married names on the article Maddie & Tae. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • 07:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Move request discussion: Title for the Suicide of Kurt Cobain article
Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Suicide of Kurt Cobain#Requested move 27 July 2020. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
RfC on Anne Frank
There's an RfC regarding Anne Frank that this WikiProject might be interested in. Loki (talk) 16:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
RfC on content in Notes column of filmography tables in Singapore artistes BLPs
There is a current RFC on removal of certain content in Singapore artistes BLP articles that the project may be interested in weighing in: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Content in Notes column of filmography tables in Singapore artistes BLPs. – robertsky (talk) 22:30, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Move request discussion. Opinions are needed on the merger of William Dickson (Falklands) to Antonio Rivero
The discussion is on the talk page of Antonio Rivero, the basic issue is whether sources exist for the murder victim Dickson to be considered notable. --Boynamedsue (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Question about the first section of a biography: “Early life” or “Early life and education”?
A question has recently come up about the title for the first section of many biographies. I am under the impression that “Early life and education” is used so commonly here it is virtually standard. User:Nightscream disagrees, saying it is not standard and that they commonly remove “and education” when they see it, because they regard it as redundant. A third user, User:KidAd, joins me in preferring “Early life and education,” pointing out that a person’s education very often extends into their mid or late 20s.
My question for the members of this project: Is there a preferred or standard title for this first section? If so, is the preferred title “Early life” or “Early life and education”? Or is it “Early life” with “and education” allowed in some cases, such as where a person obtained additional education in midlife? Or is it a matter of preference/personal choice, suggesting that we leave it in whatever format was used by the person who first created the article? Thanks for any input. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- As I said on User:Nightscream's talk page, I believe that anything less than a two-pronged heading in biographies is needlessly vague and limited in scope. Specifically in the biographies of politicians (also musicians, authors, actors, etc.) early life and education typically begins with infancy and ends after a bachelor's degree is earned. However, for those who earn advanced degrees or experience momentous life events before the formal start of their professional career, this section can become overlong and clunky. In addition, an individual's higher education is not automatically pertinent to their professional or work history, as most college students are not members of the workforce. I have only used a more limited heading when a segment of the broad category is missing from reliable sources. For example, if I cannot find information on an individual's birth place, hometown, or high school, I will use only education. If no information is available on colleges attended or degrees earned, I will use only early life. One size does not fit all here, but a precedent has essentially been established, and it works fairly well. KidAd (talk) 22:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I forgot to make clear here that I am mostly talking about biographies of professional people, scientists, politicians - people for whom their education is an important and standard part of their resume. I have come to regard "Early life and education" as standard because those are almost entirely the kind of biography articles I write and edit. But as KidAd points out, this kind of consideration might not come into play for other types of biographies. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- When the phrase used as the title of heading servers as the descriptive umbrella for each or most of the major elements or subtopics described in that section, taking one of those elements and singling it out as a separate qualifier in that title makes no sense. Let's imagine for example that we did this with other headings. Take Kamala Harris, for example. The "Early career" section in her article describes three posts she had during that period: Deputy district attorney of Alameda County, San Francisco District Attorney, and head of the Family and Children's Services Division of San Francisco. Now imagine if someone decided to change the heading so to "Early career and Family and Children's Services". Would that make sense? No, it wouldn't. And the reason for that is that it implies that that job was in some way not a part of her Early career, even though it's in the Early career section, as it is simply one of the three positions described in it.
- The same holds true for Education. Early life sections tend to describe all the things that are typically associated with a person's life, even things that are technically not specific to it, like parentage, siblings, and where applicable, ancestry. It also describes those things that typically do take place in one's early life. And yes, a person's twenties are indeed part of their "early life", especially when were're talking about a person in their 60s like Geoffrey Berman, whose article spurred this discussion.
- Now does all education take place in one's twenties? No. But I have no problem with including a specialized heading in cases of subjects who completed secondary degrees later in life, or who attained notability as children, such as child actors, child activists, royalty, etc. Outside of these exceptions, education usuually occurs in one's early life.
- As for the idea that a one-pronged title is "vague", this is false as a question of definition. If you ask anyone what they would think is in a section on a person's "early life," they would naturally understand just that: That it pertains to the things that occur in a person's early life. The phrase is self-explanatory, and entirely clear. Not "vague." To argue that there's something inherent more clear about a title simply because it has two prongs is to not only engage in non-sequitur, it is to ignore the fact that most of the most common headings are one-pronged, including both category-specific ones like "Career," and layout-recurrent ones like "References", "See also", "External links", etc. Nightscream (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Should a biography have an infobox?
Whenever I have worked on a biography I have always made sure there is an infobox.
I do this so
- The main points of the bio can been see quickly for those that don't want to read the whole thing
- It shows the info in wikidata is matches the artical (which can then be used as the basis for translations of the bio)
- It ensure that microdata is in place for any search engine crawlers coming past
The reason I ask is I have just an infobox on a artical I was working on removed with the comment No need for this nonsense so wanted to see what the consensus is from the biography community
For refence this is the artical https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nick_Wilton&action=history
Back ache (talk) 09:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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