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A dead mall. The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD: "Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." The subject does not have coverage that meets significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. WP:BEFORE revealed advertising, WP:ROUTINE coverage of events and directory style listings. Sources in the article are a blog, a dead link, a facebook page, and an entry in an index of shopping centers.   // Timothy :: talk  06:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy :: talk  06:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy :: talk  06:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy :: talk  06:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Fine article. Hooker82 (talk) 08:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Delete: non-notable mall which has since been demolished. -- Whiteguru (talk) 09:03, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per whiteguru. WikiMacaroons 15:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. Notability is not temporary. Passes WP:GNG—-Paul McDonald (talk) 15:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Here is a list of the sources. None of these supports either WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD.

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Chain Store Age			This is a simple entry in a directory. It does not provide WP:SIGCOV or any evidence of meeting WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD	✘ No
KMBC-TV.			A dead link with no information other than the station name.	✘ No
http://www.labelscar.com/kansas/indian-springs-mall			A blog. Does not meet WP:RS and it does not provide any inforamtion that would make this mall notable or meet WP:NBUILD. It describes an everyday, average, normal failed mall.	✘ No
A facebook page	A facebook page	A facebook page	A facebook page.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Newspapers.com search revealed nothing other than routine coverage any mall would receive; announcements, events, advertising, etc. This is an everyday average mall. It is not notable.   // Timothy :: talk  16:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep, clearly another WP:POINT argument from TimothyBlue. WP:ROTM is not policy. The sources present do establish notability, and the only other people calling for deletion are just saying WP:NOTNOTABLE and WP:PERNOM, neither of which is valid nor gives any proof to notability or lack thereof. The site of the mall is a topic of discussion long after the mall became defunct, indicating that it had a long lasting impact. Buildings do not cease being notable when they are torn down. Ten Pound Hammer • 17:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment nice research TPH, these and other links should be added to the article. This supports that there is an editing issue but not a deletion issue.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:57, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• Reply @TenPoundHammer:: You state "The sources present do establish notability" Tell all of us here and the closer, which of the sources present establish notability?

As for the two sources you mention

• talk about is the "vacant lot of Indian Springs Mall turned into a drive-thru pickup location for Harvesters to give food to families" - How does this make the mall notable? It doesn't talk about the mall. It talks about a vacant lot where a mall used to be and an event taking place there. It doesn't say anything about the mall.
• This talks about plans for what might happen to a vacant lot where the mall used to be. It doesn't say anything about the mall.
• Tell everyone and the closer: What about the mall do the above sources state that establish notability?   // Timothy :: talk  18:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep 700,000 sqft enclosed mall open for 30 years, clearly notable. Here is one article discussing it in depth . MB 19:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• Reply @MB:: Since you wrote, "discussing it in depth", tell everyone and the closer what indepth information does this article have about the mall? Because when I read it, this is not an article about the mall. It is an article about the hope of tearing the abandoned mall down and redeveloping the property into something completely different. Also you state, "700,000 sqft enclosed mall open for 30 years, clearly notable" tell everyone and the closer what guideline or policy are you basing this on? Just a gentle reminder about WP:DISCUSSAFD.   // Timothy :: talk  19:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• Concern I am concerned that the table above is approaching placing undue weight on an argument. I have no issue discussing sources (that's central to AFDs) but I am concerned that the use of a table with background colors and icons is putting undue weight on the argument. In addition, it fails to address other sources as they are brought forward and participation in AFD then becomes more weighted for someone's ability to make a better-looking table than upon the presentation of the best argument. I guess it feels like it's approaching the same kind of thing (although not exactly) that Misplaced Pages:Adjectives in your recommendations is also seeking to avoid.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, more then enough reliable sources to establish notability on the first page of a Google Search alone. Nominator appears to have not done research. Esw01407 (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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