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Review Draft Article

Hi Robert McClenon! Thank you for reviewing the Draft:JioTV and highlighting the concern. I would like to explain this "This draft does not show how this division of Jio Platforms is sufficiently notable to need a separate article. " Jio Platforms has many divisions and JioTV is one of those. It's a LIVE TV application that is completely different from its other applications such as JioMeet (its a video calling app) or JioSaavn (it's an online music app only). Also, I have added more independent sources that are covering JioTV. Please have a look.

Since Robert has reviewed my article that's why I tagged him here. In general, I would appreciate help from any Misplaced Pages editors to improve this Draft:JioTV Ritzz07 (talk) 11:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question for us? Giraffer (munch) 11:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Giraffer This draft Draft:JioTV has been declined because of notability concerns. So I am seeking help regarding the same. --Ritzz07 (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritzz07 - What do you want help or advice about? I wrote that the division, JioTV, does not appear to be notable independent of its parent, Jio Platforms. You can expand the draft and resubmit it with an explanation as to how the division is independently notable. Or you can make an edit request to expand the article on the parent company. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I need advice where exactly I need to share an explanation of changes I make. Here in this thread or will I get an option to write an explanation at the time of resubmission request. Also, could you please highlight which section ( or content) you feel does not appear to be independent. Any content that doesn't have a sufficient reference link. It will help me rework on this article. Thank You Ritzz07 (talk) 07:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritzz07 - First, is JioTV a division of Jio Platforms? If so, JioTV is already discussed in the article on Jio Platforms. Second, it appears that you are asking me to rewrite the draft for you in order to put it into article space. No. I do not plan to rewrite the draft for you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon JioTV, is a division of Jio Platforms this has been explained in the beginning before even writing the draft. See Talk:Jio_Platforms . Second, I don't want you to write a draft but since you have raised this concern, I just want you to highlight that content that you feel is not independent. Just search for JioTV in google news. I believe that's how Misplaced Pages works. The external world should talk about the subject of the article. I have written this draft based on the reference available. Any content which is not supported by the reference, I'll take that content part down immediately. Thank You Ritzz07 (talk) 05:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritzz07 - You ask me to highlight that content that I feel is not independent. You are asking me to edit the draft for you, and I will not do that. However, the answer is that no part of the draft is independent of Jio Platforms. Since JioTV is a division of Jio Platforms, it is not independent of the parent company. You have not shown why the division should have a separate article (unless you want to put advertising in the separate article). No part of the draft is independent. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Do Not Telll a reviewer to use Google search for references. It is the responsibility of the author to include the references. An editor who tells the reviewer to use Google search is insulting the reviewer. Tell your managers to get a different employee to do their paid editing, who won't insult the reviewers. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon Please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to offend you. Let me take other reviewer's opinions to have clarity. All I am trying to say that I collected reference from Google Search and then written this draft. Thank you Ritzz07 (talk) 06:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Why does chembox break?

When I edit the chembox{{Chembox}}, it breaks. I type the correct code like {{Chembox Properties}} and it breaks. User:Nihaal The Wikipedian Discuss in more detail

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: (I removed some stray markup from your post above) I expect you mean "when you try to transclude the {{Chembox}} template"? You'll have to be more specific, like put the code you're trying to use in your sandbox so we can see what you're trying to do. —— 08:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: {{Chembox}} {{Chembox Properties |Molecular formula = C5S2O |Molar mass = 108 g/mol.l}}

The thing above is just an example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk • contribs) 06:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: So, you're trying to transclude {{Chembox Properties}} as a parameter for a transclusion of {{Chembox}} in an article? In the example above, you have a couple of problems.

The {{Chembox Properties}} template has no |Molecular formula= parameter, but there is a |Formula= parameter: |Formula={{Chem2|C5S2O}}, or you can specify the individual elements with: |C=5 |S=2 |O=1.

There is also no |Molar mass=; you want |MolarMass=. Also, the units are wrong. You want either |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g&middot;mol<sup>−1</sup> or |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g/mol

So, for this example, you would use:

{{Chembox
|Section1={{Chembox Properties
 |Formula={{Chem2|C5S2O}}
 |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g/mol
 }}
}}

which produces:

Perhaps you can look at the article you created Methyl hexanoate for a working sample? —— 03:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1 I have multiple problems though I have a desire to create another Draft. The problem is discussed here where This person said to slow my AfC.I will post the link in your talk page when it is created. Regards Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

{{Chembox}} has some samples you can copy-and-paste. Or you can copy from an existing article that has the types of details that you want. You have to be very careful to use the exact name of every field (including spaces and capitalization) and proper punctuation (curly-braces, equals-signs, vertical-bars, etc.). It's better to use the "specify the individual elements" method instead of |Formula= and |MolarMass=, as that automatically calculates the molar mass for you (with a standardized number of decimal places and standardized units). DMacks (talk) 22:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@DMacks: I didn't realize that the individual elements option did the molar mass calculation. That's kind of cool (assuming it was done in a way that doesn't violate WP:OR). (Pinging Nihaal The Wikipedian.) —— 04:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

if i found a page on wiki with errors or intentionally edited by some persons what i can do ?

i feels even though i am a qualified person from a registered health university in india. I tried to edit an article which is of my speciality some senior editors are deleting the edit. and the fun fact is that they believe they are only true. What i can do in this situation ? Drnisamudheen (talk) 09:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Drnisamudheen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see this guidance for expert editors. Misplaced Pages does not deal in truth, as truth is in the eye of the beholder, but we do deal in what is verifiable in independent reliable sources. If you have published independent reliable source to support edits you wish to make, please discuss this with the other editors involved on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• Looking at your recent contributions I suppose this is about this edit. A small problem with it is that it is marked as "minor" even though it significantly changes the article ("minor" is only for correcting typos, improving image layout, etc.). A more significant problem is the content: you unlinked "quackery" for no good reason, and you broke up a paragraph to insert borderline-promotional material in broken English.

Note that Unani_medicine#Education_and_recognition already includes a few paragraphs about recognition from AYUSH (which I feel strongly tempted to nickname "ministry of quackery"). Tigraan 15:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Add image to article

Hi and good morning. I've uploaded an image to WP Commons which I would like to post to the article David J. Zimmerman. I haven't yet posted images to WP, and, as a new editor, would hate to make a mess of an article that I need someone else to fix! I edited the original article in Visual Editor. Can you direct me to "help" pages which might help me do this? Thanks. VictorMooney (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, VictorMooney. If you go to the file's page in Commons commons:File:Picture_of_David_J._Zimmerman_in_the_Indian_Himalayas.jpg, there are buttons at the top "Use this file", one of them with the Misplaced Pages logo,. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi VictorMooney. The photo you're referring to is of David J. Zimmerman yet you also describe the photo as being sen to you by David J. Zimmerman. Generally, it's the person who take a photo, not the the subject of the photo that is considered the copyright holder. Do you know whether Zimmerman took this photo himself or whether it was taken by another person? Since you don't seem to have taken the photo, the person who did is probably going to have to email their WP:CONSENT to WP:Contact OTRS#Wikimedia OTRS to verify the file's licensing and the copyright holder's intention to release it under said license.. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine and @Marchjuly: Thank you. Will do some more research...VictorMooney (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Montserrat— has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT: "recent contributions —specifically this edit to Montserrat— has been undone because it appeared to be promotional".

Hello, as i'm new to this i have no idea about many things on editing. The fact remains, the edit on the sport of "Surfing" on the island of Montserrat is in fact correct. I happen to know because I lived on the island during and knew about the two brothers.I do not know where to go with this from here. I don't see how my edit is promotional. Please specify. Yoleen Valai (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Yoleen Valai: Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Your addition included the URL for the company's website which would be seen as trying to promote it and you did not include any references. Material in articles must be cited to a reliable source so that it can be verified, you can't use your own memory as a source. RudolfRed (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please delete the URL, as I can't seem to be able to navigate Misplaced Pages to find this! As for the source, I understand they are not from memories, that a bit ridicules to even fathom. The website would be a source like it or not. Just as any website would be a source...such as wikipedia. I've read a lot of wrong information on wikipedia. It's not a Bible as you may think. Do with it as you please. I don't have the time to continue with such issues. Yoleen Valai (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Yoleen Valai, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry you've had a frustrating experience right at the beginning of your Misplaced Pages editing: Misplaced Pages is such a big and complicated beast that that can easily happen.

As you point out, Misplaced Pages is not itself reliable. What gives it some value nonetheless is that ideally articles are supported by citing reliable published sources, so that a reader doesn't have to rely on the accuracy of what is stated in Misplaced Pages, but can get referred to a reliable source. (I say "ideally", because Misplaced Pages grew so quickly in its early days that we have tens of thousands of substandard articles; but we tend to be more careful with material that gets added now). Misplaced Pages itself is not acceptable as a source, and nor are most wikis, blogs, forums, iMDB, social media, and many other well-known sources. See reliability of Misplaced Pages for more.

In a similar way, to preserve Misplaced Pages's neutrality, we strongly limit links to commercial websites. An article about the company Surfing Montserrat could certainly have a link to their website; and might also cite the website for certain uncontroversial factual information such as dates and places. But in general citations should references should cite sources such as scholarly journals, major newspapers and magazines, and books from reputable publishers. A company whose business is promoting surfing in Montserrat is not regarded as a reliable independent source for information about surfing in Montserrat. Does that make sense? --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I restored the Surfers at Montserrat reference (in the right place), as I considered it informational rather than promotional. David notMD (talk) 22:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Separate issue: You added an image Surfing Montserrat.jpg to the article and claimed it was your own work dated 28 August 2020. Did you take this photo? If so, it should be dated when it was taken, not when it was added to Misplaced Pages (the brothers lived there 1980-92). David notMD (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Reply to ColinFine

reply to ColinFine

Thank you. Perhaps it’s the fact that I don’t know how to navigate Misplaced Pages. I do understand when it comes to selling or promotion, that was not my intention, because I know this much about Misplaced Pages. Where is the website tied in to my contribution? Is it the photograph? I may have added the website by accident, I clearly can’t see this! Can you be so kind as to remove whatever is making my contribution an issue? The website, as far as I can visually see, doesn’t sell anything related to surfing, or sell surfing as a business on Montserrat. There are no surfers on the island since the volcanic eruptions. Please let me know what can be done. Thank you. Yoleen Valai (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Yoleen Valai, this is a help forum. If this is in regards an earlier question, reply in that thread. If you wish to communicate with ColinFine directly, please do that at User talk:ColinFine. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

to collnfine. Sorry but I don't know how to mail anyone direct. This is too difficult. Please pass my message below on to Collnfine, thank you.

Thank you. Perhaps it’s the fact that I don’t know how to navigate Misplaced Pages. I do understand when it comes to selling or promotion, that was not my intention, because I know this much about Misplaced Pages. Where is the website tied in to my contribution? Is it the photograph? I may have added the website by accident, I clearly can’t see this! Can you be so kind as to remove whatever is making my contribution an issue? The website, as far as I can visually see, doesn’t sell anything related to surfing, or sell surfing as a business on Montserrat. There are no surfers on the island since the volcanic eruptions. Please let me know what can be done. Thank you. Yoleen Valai (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC) Yoleen Valai (talk) 01:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @ColinFine:, in case there's more needing saying or fixing. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Yoleen Valai. Thank you for your replies. As I said, Misplaced Pages is a complex system, and there is a lot to learn: nobody will hold honest mistakes against you. I see that David notMD has restored your edit to the article, in a different place.

To communicate with a particular editor, you can start a new section on their user talk page (mine is User talk:ColinFine), or you can continue an existing discussion by editing the section where the discussion began, and WP:pinging the user. That's what I've done here: I went "edit" on the section you began in the Teahouse, I added my reply at the end (using a colon ':' at the beginning of each paragraph to indent it), and I pinged you by putting {{U|Yoleen Valai}} at the start - as long I sign my message (which I see you know how to do) the software will notify you that i have replied. We tend not to use email, as discussions towards improving Misplaced Pages should be public. --ColinFine (talk) 08:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Title

I am collecting a list of Misplaced Pages reading for new editors. I am aware that I should not be doing this right now, which I am not, But I am going to post the collection on our Meta-Wiki. I am making the list through Wikilinks. Can Wikilinks redirect through Wikis? HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

HelloImAStudent, does this help? M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 19:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

this HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, HelloImAStudent The "this" link in M Imtiaz's first post is relevant; I'm not sure why they posted the second link. --ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Check those signatures again, ColinFine. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 21:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, M Imtiaz, misread. In that case, I have no idea what HelloImAStudent's reply was about. --ColinFine (talk) 08:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Chatbot has undone my edit

How can I make improvement on the page Oscar Martinez (The Office) after bot undoing my edit? Editingwork8 (talk) 04:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Editingwork8. Your edits were reverted by User:ClueBot NG, an essential anti-vandalism bot. You have the option of reporting the reversion as a false positive. My guess is that the bot responded because you removed a lot of content including references. I understand that you and at least one other editor are of the opinion that the article contained excessive detail. I suggest discussing your plans at Talk:Oscar Martinez (The Office) where the perceived problem has not been discussed. I also suggest that you remove content in smaller chunks, with clear explanations in your edit summaries. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen Okay, I'll try doing that way.Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

My request to edits have been unanswered on a few pages.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi, I've requested edit via correct format on some pages' talk sections, they are still unanswered. What's the right way to go for this if it still persists? Talhatauqeer (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Talhatauqeer: Please use only one help forum for a particular issue. I've linked to your other, more detailed, request at the Help Desk above. —— 07:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Can this site be used for referencing?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/ Editingwork8 (talk) 06:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Editingwork8: Yes, I believe so. Calgary Herald seems to be a newspaper with a long history, and I don't see any complaints about it here. —— 07:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1 Thanks for bringing clarity to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

How To Become Misplaced Pages Admin?

Hello I Am New Misplaced Pages Editor But I Want To Become Misplaced Pages Administrator So Please Give Me Some Tips To Become An Admin. TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn (talk) 07:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Be an editor for a few years and make more than 10000 edits in that period. Note that admins are more or less wieldeling the mop here, its an sometimes unpleasent and hard job you commonly arent rewarded for. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn: Please see the responses above at #Becoming an admin and please don't capitalize every word in your postings. Thanks. —— 08:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn. Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship and Misplaced Pages:Administrators#Becoming an administrator for more details. However, there are lots of ways that a person can contribute to Misplaced Pages that doesn't require them becoming an administrator. When a new editor such as yourself inquires about becoming an administrator after making only eleven edits, it generally indicates a lack of familiarity with Misplaced Pages and a misundertanding of the kinds of things an adminstrator typically does. So, often the best tip that can be given to such people is suggest that they focus on improving articles and learning about Misplaced Pages for awhile instead of trying to become an administrator. Once you establish a track record for making positive contributions and show the Misplaced Pages community that you're here for the right reasons; others will notice and may even starting asking if you want to become an administrator. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

How to create an article?

I Had Created Several Articles But All The Time My Articles Has Been Deleted. Please Give Me Some Tips To Make A Good Articles. I Wanna Create A Article Which Won't Be Delete. Sorry For Bad English But Reply If You Understand. ☺ TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn (talk) 08:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn: I've left some information on your talk page at User talk:TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn. —— 08:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please do not capitalize every word. Your edit history shows that you became an editor on 28 August and have not created any articles. Were your previous edits made before you registered an account, or as a different account? Regardless, the information left on your Talk page can help. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Referring to a person on their own article

Do we always have to refer to a person by their surname, or can forenames be used occasionally?

I'm wondering this because I'm trying to tidy up, and slightly expand an article for an actress I remember watching on TV as a kid, but don't know much about.

All I know is that:

• She's been married at least 3 times, possibly 4 or more times.
• She's a part time actress, and former Police woman. She owns an acting school which is named after her 2nd or 3rd married name, and is an acting agent under a different company name.
• She's used at least 4 different surnames - 1 of which is her birth name, and 2 of which were different to her husbands surname at the time for some reason.
• She has 3 children - 1 of which is an actress and her sister, both of which have the surname of their father who was also an actor. And an older child who has a different surname altogether.

It gets a bit confusing referring to her by her current married surname, especially in the personal life section. Danstarr69 (talk) 08:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I am a fairly new Misplaced Pages editor, so don't take this as a definitive answer. But my own view is that you would normally refer to an adult by the full name the first time you mention them, and after that by their surname. But you would refer to children by their first name. An obvious exception would be when the article refers to more than one person who has the same surname. That's my general rule. But the case that you describe is obviously more unusual. The best I can suggest is that you refer to your sources to see how other writers have handled the situation. Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: this appears to be about Tonicha Jeronimo.--Shantavira| 09:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Please refer to MOS:SURNAME and MOS:SAMESURNAME for more specific details, but generally MOS:MOS advises us to use the surname only for subsequent mentions unless doing so creates unnecessary confusion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Danstarr69, and welcome to the Teahouse! Generally, we refer to someone by their full name the first time, and from then on by their surname. There are some exceptions, such as when someone is primarily known by a mononym, such as Beyoncé. For more info on using names in articles, see MOS:NAME. Hope this helps! Regards, Giraffer (munch) 11:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Giraffer I think I'm going to use Tonicha Jeronimo's birth and maiden name Jeronimo, which she's currently using on social media and LinkedIn, but not on her acting school and acting agency website where she's using her recently married name. I started editing her IMDB profile around a month ago, but put it on hold when I realised she uses multiple names. She seems to go back to her maiden name every time she gets divorced, and doesn't seem to have used her newly married name for any acting roles yet. I've just found out that her first born child, and her other children all have the same father, even though the eldest uses a different surname altogether. I suspect he uses his middle name to dissociate himself from his parents, as he wants to be an actor, so he can't be accused of nepotism if he does become an actor.

Danstarr69 (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Despite being married eight times, Elizabeth Taylor (her birth name), continued to use Taylor because her movie career started before her first marriage. Her four children (one adopted) went by the names of their fathers (Wilding, Wilding, Todd, Burton). David notMD (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Why do some categories have "Category:" prefixed and others don't?

This isn't very important, but it bothers me that I can't figure it out.

Copied from User:Deisenbe:

• Abolitionism in the United States
• Category:African-American college graduates before 1865
• Category:African-American expatriates
• African-American monuments and memorials
• Category:African-American politicians during the Reconstruction Era
• Category:American Fire-Eaters
• Category:Amistad
• Benjamin Tillman
• Category:Black slave owners in the United States
• Capitals of Kansas
• Confederate expatriates
• Category:Donald Trump-related lists
• Category:Enslaved workers at the University of Virginia
• Category:Expansion of slavery in the United States
• Category:Florida's black junior colleges
• Former municipalities in New York (city)
• George Floyd protests
• Historically segregated African-American schools in Florida
• History of slavery in the District of Columbia

etc, Thanks for enlightening me. deisenbe (talk) 09:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Because, if you look at the source, there are piped links for those that don't show "Category:", e.g. ]. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of adding a colon before the first entry on your list, as without it you had included this Teahouse page in Category:Abolitionism in the United States. David Biddulph (talk) 11:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Wrong information about Ayurveda

Ayurveda (/ˌɑːjʊərˈveɪdə, -ˈviː-/) is an alternative medicine system with historical roots in the Indian subcontinent. The theory and practice of Ayurveda is pseudoscientific. The Indian Medical Association (IMA) characterises the practice of modern medicine by Ayurvedic practitioners as quackery.

This is absolutely wrong. Ayurveda is a centuries old science that has been developed and practised in Bharatha (India) for eons. Kindly remove this false description of Ayurveda. Please allow editing of the page so that it can be changed. 103.5.132.28 (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Misplaced Pages summarizes what independent reliable sources say about topics. The passage you mention is well cited. You are free to discuss your concerns on the article talk page (Talk:Ayurveda) and even make edit requests detailing changes you feel are needed. However, you will need independent reliable sources to support your proposed changes, and even if they are valid, that will not make the views of the Indian Medical Association go away. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Retiring.

My mental health has been worsening the last few months and I am sick and tired of dealing with it. I would like to retire from Misplaced Pages. Is there any procedure for doing so? I wish to end everything. Screw this. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 13:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Editor has cleared User and Talk pages and place the RETIRED banner on both. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Дрейгорич: Thank you for your 1,200+ contributions over the last two years. Your well-being is the most important thing to focus on, and Misplaced Pages will always be here for you should you ever wish to pick things up again. Your help in creating the worlds biggest online encyclopaedia is appreciated. With all our best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Reference question

I worked on a page https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Katya_Cengel Two places need a citation. I absolutely can not find a viable reference. Do I leave it as is or do I remove the information needing a citation? WikiJSPN (talk) 13:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikiJSPN: You can leave it because there is Citation needed there.Do not worry.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, WikiJSPN, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I'm going to disagree with Nihaal The Wikipedian: if you have looked for a reliable source and can't find one, then it does not belong in a Misplaced Pages article. Please remove it. If somebody else can find a source, they may restore it. --ColinFine (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Split the difference - take out that she teaches at UC Berkeley, but leave in (with citation needed) where she got her college degree from. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Colin's answer is especially correct for information about living people. We need to be especially careful about not including any unsourced material of that type, in keeping with the "biographies of living persons" policy. DMacks (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I found her on rate my professor and in an advertisement for UC Berkley, but I assume those are not reliable sources (please correct me if I am wrong). As to her degree, I found a reference to her being an alum here: https://literature.ucsd.edu/people/alumni/positions.html Is this a reliable source? It seems to that they sourced the information from her website. Am I correct in this assumption and if so, is it still a viable source on information as to where she got her degree? WikiJSPN (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Should I preserve a toollabs prefix when updating a broken link?

Hi Teahouse! This is my first post here, thank you for providing all these resources to help new editors! I joined WikiProject Children's Literature and wanted to fix the broken hyperlink for the cleanup listing in the project's infobox. I think the cleanup listing link is intended to go to https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html. But the current code for the link in the infoxbox has a toollabs prefix: toollabs:bambots/cwb/bycat/Children's literature.html. Should I try to preserve the toollabs prefix? I tried putting in toollabs:bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html, but with that link, my browser gives a "Your connection isn't private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from bambots.brucemyers.com.toolforge.org" warning instead of taking me right to the page. Is there a way I can preserve the toollabs prefix but have it go straight to the https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html? Or is it fine to swap out the https link for the toollabs link, losing the toollabs prefix? I don't want to unintentionally take away a valuable function, if toollabs has a purpose I'm not aware of. I tried searching for more information about toollabs, but didn't find much clear information about what toollabs might be doing in this specific instance. Thank you so much, I appreciate your help! Merenby (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Merenby: Welcome.

When I go to https://bambots.toolforge.org/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html, the page reads (in its entirety): The bambots tools have been moved to a new server. The new server can be found at https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html. The latter link works for me and is a to a personal web domain; I assume the bot maintainer moved the code away from Toolforge, a domain hosting various bots and other scripts for Wikimedia projects. (I assume there is no difference between Tool Labs and Toolforge because wikitech:Tool Labs redirects to the Toolforge page.) Therefore, it is neither needed nor smart to keep the toollabs prefix. Tigraan 15:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tigraan: That's really helpful. I updated it. Thank you so much! Merenby (talk) 16:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Stinger

I do not know where to post this. User:DHHeadrick has changed (1, 2) uses of the word "stinger" to "sting" and added "The term "stinger" is incorrectly used when referring to the piercing organ of venomous arthropods, the correct term is sting" at the top of the article, which does not seem appropriate. Another user has agreed on DHHeadrick's talk page that "stinger" is incorrect. Should the edits be reverted? J3133 (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Common usage seems to disagree with these two editors. 8.40.149.206 (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

My common usage would agree with those two editors. J3133: if editors disagree, then the proper course is to discuss it on the talk page, and if consensus can't be reached, to follow dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

One problem with the dispute is that DHHHeadrick is providing his own published content (ref #1) as the reference for "sting" over "stinger". My personal opinion is that when an insect stings me, it is with its stinger. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I reverted. 8.40.149.206 (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is on the Talk page of the article, where you can catch up with previous discussion of this issue.--Shantavira| 15:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the article talk page is the right place to discuss this. Both terms are equally valid in the article, and should be present in the lead in my view. On the European side of the Atlantic, I can say I regard 'stinger' as more of an Americanism, and that 'sting' would make more sense colloquially. (But see this abstract in American Entologist.) Neither are real anatomical terms, so both usages really should be present, especially as the article covers a range of taxonomic groups. I note that 'Sting apparatus' is often used to describe the whole venom-injecting mechanism of various invertebrate groups. What is not acceptable is someone with one strong view posting their opinions and citation at the very top of the page. That discussion belonged in the talk page, not the article, unless there are sources which discuss the etymology of the term, in which case they should go inside a section with that sub-heading. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

someone reverted my edits

Sphilbrick reverted my edits (worked really hard) in the Department of Law, University of Calcutta. how do i reverse this? there is no copyright infringement! https://www.caluniv.ac.in/academic/department/Law.html Based.brahmin (talk) 14:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Based.brahmin: welcome to the Teahouse. The administrator who reverted your edit (and then had it removed completely) made it clear to you on your user talk page that they believed you had violated copyright. The best way to deal with that is to engage with them by responding, pointing to any 'Creative Commons' licencing that permitted the deleted text to be reused elsewhere, or explaining why you feel they made an error. We are all human - these things happen, so the simplest way is to politely enquire and to explain your position. However, it looks to me like you simply lifted vast chunks of text from https://www.caluniv.ac.in/academic/department/Law.html (a copyrighted website) and pasted it into the article. We do not allow that, so please do not do that again. Instead, write using your own words and be succinct in what you say, and avoid 'close paraphrasing'. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Based.brahmin, I noticed that you didn't try to contact me – I only stumbled across this by accident. I think Nick has already responded accurately but go ahead and provide further information if you think I missed something. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Based.brahmin, I will also add that I left a message on your talk page, although I understand you are new and might not even know that you have such a talk page, but I just want to make sure you know that I reached out to you. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Tagging guides for a newbie.

"‪File source is not properly indicated: File:Chomel...‬". I used the upload wizard and I encountered this.. Do you have any guide for editing there are lots of tags and I don't know how to use them yet. the syntax and usage of tags. I need a guide please.. 2403:6200:8840:143:4134:4685:8284:5B9C (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Site in Progress

Leniency while I construct the site I am in the progress of reconstructing the site for an elderly scientist, unable to do the work himself. Completing the site is therefore urgent. An approved draft was created by the scientist's spouse, and I am in the process of transitioning the CV-like content to an informative narrative. To my frustration, someone keeps removing the existing content, which I would must restore manually. Please, PLEASE give me a grace period to rearrange the content to a narrative. I am wasting time restoring deletions and time is something we do not have right now. VLShalin (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @VLShalin, you should ensure you read Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest and Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure before continuing. Unfortunately, we don't make exceptions, so you'll have to liaison with the editor in question who is reverting your edits. You can see who this is in the "history" tab of a page. Ed talk! 16:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

That editor appears to be Sumanuil. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea how to communicate with this editor. Regarding COI, I am a former student of the scientist in question. However, I can speak on behalf of myself and the scientist (and anyone else who is likely to contribute) that we are "just the facts" historians inasmuch as this is possible. Certainly not paid, and motivated to assure that the period in question doesn't get lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VLShalin (talk • contribs) 17:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, VLShalin, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you misunderstand the purpose of Misplaced Pages. A Misplaced Pages article about a subject does not belong to the subject, is not for the benefit of the subject, and ideally should not be edited by the subject or their associates. By your description you are not a paid editor, and are not required to make that declaration; but you assuredly have a conflict of interest, and are encouraged to make this plain (you have done so here, but postings here get archived quickly). What you should do is to request the changes you want made to the article at its talk page Talk:James Greeno. You could also address the other editor on their user talk page (pick the 'Talk' link next to their name on the article history); but it's best to keep the discussion on the article talk page. Be aware that Misplaced Pages is basically not interested in anything said, done, or published by the subject of an article except where this has been discussed by a completely independent published source. Part of the difficulty of editing with a COI is that the editor typically knows information which cannot be corroborated from a reliable published source, but such information may not appear in a Misplaced Pages article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I will communicate with the editor as you suggest, and find a way to indicate my relationship to the subject. However, I note with irony that the contents being deleted are the very sources that document corroboration! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VLShalin (talk • contribs) 17:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Henry Danger

 Steve Stylish (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Steve Stylish. This is a help forum for those needing assistance in the processes of editing Misplaced Pages. Your post makes no sense, and I have removed the subsequent one as it was equally uninformative as to what help you seek. None of us are mind-=readers; if you have a question about Henry Danger, please be more explicit. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Steve Stylish, and welcome to the Teahouse. Judging by this edit, you're wanting to make some edits to Henry Danger, and you can't because it is semiprotected. (Judging by your next edit to the talk page, you got into a snit then, which is not helpful). If you want to suggest edits to that article, please post an edit request at the talk page, --ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding a URL to Medical Journal Citation

Medical journals allow for a URL in the citation. Why can't I edit a reference to include a link to the actual citation, not just the DOI or PUBMED? Look at reference 144 in this article. I want to add the URL to article. https://en.wikipedia.org/Acne#Hormonal_agents like reference 93 for example?

Reference 144 Azzouni F, Zeitouni N, Mohler J (February 2013). "Role of 5α-reductase inhibitors in androgen-stimulated skin disorders". Journal of Drugs in Dermatology. 12 (2): e30-5. PMID 23377402.

Reference 93 Garner SE, Eady A, Bennett C, Newton JN, Thomas K, Popescu CM (August 2012). "Minocycline for acne vulgaris: efficacy and safety". The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews (8): CD002086. doi:10.1002/14651858.CD002086.pub2. PMC 7017847. PMID 22895927. Archived from the original on 23 June 2018. Retrieved 23 June 2018. 74.111.40.41 (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed See Special:Diff/976020101. The URL goes in the |url= parameter without brackets around it. The title (with no URL or other markup) goes in the |title= parameter. —— 18:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

My notable friend Jerilyn Lee Brandelius is probably dying. How can I recruit editors to improve her article?

Jerilyn Lee Brandelius suffered chest pains last weekend followed by a heart operation. Her life is hanging in the balance now. She has an established article but it lacks inline references. I am too close to her to edit it. How can I recruit other editors who care about her community (rock music and the Grateful Dead), but who don't know her personally, to improve it? Gnuish (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Gnuish Hello, I'm sorry to hear about your difficult time. You may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) to detail changes you feel are needed to the article, on the article talk page(Talk:Jerilyn Lee Brandelius). 331dot (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

can ou find out what this creature is

Hi, I'm new to this and I can't find what I am looking for. I am trying to find out more information about a mythical creature I saw online a year ago. I am writing a book and I want to put that creature in it but I Can't remember what the creature was called. it looked like a skeleton with wings. it had rough black wings and it was definitely evil. Please help me find out what it is. Angelinatheamazing (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Angelinatheamazing, welcome to Misplaced Pages and the Teahouse. While this topic isn't specific to Misplaced Pages or editing, which is what the teahouse is for, I can give you some rough guidance. There are many images of "Skeleton Angels" online that you can look through on Google Images which may lead you to find the answer you're looking for. Given the black wings, you're probably looking for the "Angel of Death" . Hope this helps :) Ed talk! 21:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Would the company Emsi be notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article?

I'm curious to know whether or not you think the company Emsi (https://www.economicmodeling.com/) would be considered notable enough to have a page to itself. They've been featured in the WSJ, Forbes, ESPN, HBR, The Atlantic, and NYT, among others. Sks5HDuPdgpkpLeEohWs4Jbkq (talk) 23:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sks5HDuPdgpkpLeEohWs4Jbkq. I am a New York Times subscriber. I searched their archives and could not find a link to any significant coverage of Emsi there. I did a Google search for coverage in The Atlantic and could not find anything significant. The Wall Street Journal is behind a strict paywall. Please provide links to the best of those articles, specifically the ones that devote significant coverage to the company, and are readable without a subscription. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sks5HDuPdgpkpLeEohWs4Jbkq, Hello & welcome, quite a unique username you’ve got there I must say. Now, just as Cullen328 already stated above, I myself carried out a google search & could not find anything substantial & for Misplaced Pages to retain an article on an organization, the organization must satisfy WP:ORG(read that immediately) thank you. Celestina007 23:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm finding their data cited a lot, but having trouble finding coverage about them, i.e., they are all passing mentions, identifying the source of the labor market analytics used in the articles. There are a couple of articles in local media around the same time about them expanding their headquarters, but those may prove to be based on PR. —— 02:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

How to format a DVD?

Hello! How would I format a DVD reference, like this one? https://animationshowofshows.com/collections/dvds/products/the-animation-show-of-shows-volume-21 Thank you. Katherine311MH (talk) 00:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Katherine311MH. The template {{Cite AV media}} would probably work for such a thing, but you try and be consistent with the overall citation style being used in the article per WP:CITEVAR when filling the parameters of the template. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!Katherine311MH (talk) 11:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Request page be protected

IP users keep vandalizing a page. How do I recommend that a page have a protection since I’m not an administrator myself? Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 00:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Lima Bean Farmer. The proper noticeboard is Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection. The quick shortcut is WP:RFPP. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Name change

Los Angeles Museum of the Holocaust (https://en.wikipedia.org/Los_Angeles_Museum_of_the_Holocaust) has changed its name to Holocaust Museum LA. It needs to be changed, but I can't find the "move" button. Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsophina (talk • contribs) 00:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gsophina. Most likely the reason you cannot find the "move" has to do with the fact that your account is still not WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. If you believe the page should be moved, you can ask for help as explained in WP:RPM#TR. Be advised, however, that you might be asked to provide some links which support your claim for a name change as part of your request.In addition, instead of simply replacing the old name each time it's used in the article, you might want also want to incorporate new content about the name change into the article if it can be supported by citations to reliable sources. Perhaps there's a reason for the name change and this reason was the discussed in newspaper articles, etc. that covered the name change. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gsophina: Thanks for raising this issue. New users cannot create or move pages. I verified the name change with the official web site and moved the page to Holocaust Museum Los Angeles. I also created a redirect at Holocaust Museum LA since that name is also commonly used for this museum. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:34, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Checking to see if page subject is notable

I would like to write an article on a monthly observance called "ARRR-Gust:International Pirate Month" and would like to know if it would be considered notable. We are published in Chases's Calendar of Events for the past 4 or 5 years and the event is starting to gain attention nation wide. RoguesArmada (talk) 01:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@RoguesArmada, Hello & welcome. Generally, events are considered notable here if they satisfy WP:EVENTCRIT. I carried out a google search & do not think that the event is notable yet. Your comment above seems to be indicative of this; and the event is starting to gain attention nation wide, if the event just began to “gain attention nation wide” it may be WP:TOOSOON for an article on it. Celestina007 03:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Running the auto-archival bot.

I thought I had seen an auto-archival bot that goes through references and generates an archive link (on archive.org, iirc). Not able to find the instructions to run that bot on a page / set of pages. I was going through an article today that was created over the years, and had suffered from quite a few dead-links. Seems like that article would have benefited from this bot. Any leads? Ktin (talk) 03:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 03:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: From the article's History page, near the top, there's a line of External tools, including a link to "Fix dead links". The last time I used it, though, it failed to sense that some dead links were actually dead. I ended up checking the "Add archives to all non-dead references" option so it would add archive URLs for all refs and then I went through them and manually marked the ones that were dead (by changing/adding |url-status=dead to the cites). —— 03:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, Thanks a ton! Let me go check it out now. Ktin (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1 -- worked like a charm! Thanks. Ktin (talk) 04:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

You can also manually add {{Dead link}} tags to the references that are dead but the bot doesn't realize are dead before clicking "fix dead links". I do that periodically. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Pppery, Awesome! Will try that next. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 05:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pppery: Thanks – that's preferable to adding all the live ones. Do you know if the failure to recognize the dead ones has been reported as a bug? I'm sure I've seen it even when the URL clearly returned a 404 error. —— 05:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

It's deliberate, not a bug. To avoid falsely declaring URLs that suffered from some transient error as dead, the bot will only see a link as dead if it's seen it dead 3 times, 3 days apart. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:22, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pppery: It would be nice if that behavior were optional when run manually. Normally, if I try to visit a cite and find it dead (and reasonably so, like a re-org'd site), I just manually find the archive and add it to the cite. If I see that the article has a lot of cites that are over about 10 years old, and I check some more and find them dead, that's when I want to run the tool instead of checking/recovering them all by hand. In this case, I'd like to be able to tell it to mark them dead if they're dead now, since I don't think there's much harm in it if there's a live archive in this case (i.e., where the cites are old and it's reasonable for them to be dead). Regardless, it's helpful to know that I can just run it again twice a day apart to avoid having to go through and check each cite by hand. Thanks! —— 06:40, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestions for Artificial Intelligence page required

How can I create a page related to AI companies and refrain from being visibly promotional? Editingwork8 (talk) 03:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Editingwork8: You may want to first look around to see if the article already exists. Have a look at some other "lists of... companies" for inspiration and for ideas on how to present things neutrally. Is there something in particular you are worried about? ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP Yes, I'm particularly worried about getting my content listed as promotional or advertising because I know that its not acceptable here. Then, how can I write about the subject of my interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 04:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Try starting it out in draft space. That way you can ask others to look at it, and also run it throuth AFC if desired. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP Thank you. I'll try this way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Editingwork8. Another part of it is by ignoring anything said or published by the company or its employees or associates - including in interviews and press releases - and basing your article strictly on material published in reliable places by people who have no connection with the company. The company's own material is - quite properly - going to be promotional; independent sources generally won't be - and if they do contain evaluative language, it is permissible to quote them directly, as long as you make it clear whose opinion you are reproducing. --ColinFine (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine Ok. I'll take care of that. Thank you for guiding me right.

Programs for formatting Misplaced Pages

Is there a program for formatting Misplaced Pages? I wrote my first article with 24 footnotes in WORD 2019. However when I looked at other web sites on the "editing" page, my eyes glaze over with all the arcane formatting. It is almost like code - it is way over my head. So I'm wondering is there some sort of program or web site that will do that for me?...or a service? I did finally figure out that I needed to put those little equal signs == in to ask this question... but that is as far as I got. :)  AndreaSG50 (talk) 04:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@AndreaSG50, Hello & welcome. Perhaps I may not be reading this correctly but I don’t think you are yet to create any article, at least not with this account. But nonetheless, for article creation and formatting you might want to see WP:YFA,WP:MOS, & WP:CITE. Celestina007 04:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Celestina007 How do I obtain the correct account? I have a WORD article that I would like to publish in Misplaced Pages. It looks like that I simply copy and paste it as a draft page in the wizard....and then if it looks right, I then "publish"?

@AndreaSG50: Not exactly, but pretty close. But before you do that, please have a look at WP:YFA. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

But pasting from Word will not preserve your footnotes, and I'm not sure it will preserve your character formatting either, AndreaSG50. WP:Editing_tools#From_Microsoft_Word links some tools that are supposed to help - I've no idea how well they work, though. --ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

--ColinFine (talk) Thanks for your help. I tried to copy and paste for a test and it came up with the footnotes. I enabled "VisualEditor" (albeit I'm not sure what it is), went through the "wizard" > "practice in the community sandbox", "edit page visually"> and then I "published" the sandbox. It looked fine ..but how do I then submit it?

The Microsoft Office Word Add-in For MediaWiki didn't work with 2019 Office. A Google search brought no programs or add ins that might covert the WORD document to a Misplaced Pages formatting. Pandoc seems to use DOS cmd to work, which is over my head. Any suggestions?

Suggestions/Approval required for the edit plan

Please review the content given below and let me know if I can replace it with the current content on the Richard Haskayne page.

Richard (Dick) Francis Haskayne is a Canadian businessman and Philanthropist. He was born on December 18, 1934 to Robert and Bertha Haskayne. He was raised in Gleichen, Alberta by his parents who were English immigrants and ran butcher shops in Gleichen and Bassano. He did Bachelor of Commerce from the University of Alberta in 1956. Then, he moved to Calgary and married Lee Murray in 1958. In 1959, he became Chartered Accountant. He became President at Hudson's Bay Oil and Gas in 1980. He served as president and chief executive officer of Interhome Energy, Home Oil Company and Interprovincial Pipe Line Limited. He also remained member of 18 company boards. He worked as a chairman of board of Trans Alta Utilities, MacMillian Bloedell and Nova. Dick lost his wife due to ALS in 1993. His second marriage with Lois Heard in 1995, combining childre from the previous marriage, together gave him five children and eleven grandchildren. In 2001, the University of Calgary acknowledged Dick's leadership by creating the Richard F. Haskay]yne Chair in Accounting. The following year, the school's Faculty of Management was renamed as Haskayne School of Business. He was also honored with Woodrow Wilson Award for corporate citizenship in 2004.

Instead of the paragraph featuring his career, I'm planning a table with three categories- Designation, location & work duration. Rest of the content that I find suitable will not be modified. Editingwork8 (talk) 04:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Editingwork8: the Teahouse is for general questions on how to edit Misplaced Pages. What you have above is an edit request, which belongs on the talk page of the article you want to request an edit for.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP Thanks for the guidance. I'll keep that in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I was also about to suggest that you post your intent on the Talk page of Richard Haskayne, but you already did that, and given that the article itself only gets a few visitors a day, very unlikely that anyone ever gets to the Talk page. Both the article as it exists and your proposed change sorely lack references. Also, biographical articles have sections (Early life, Education, Career, Personal life...) Creating those would help. David notMD (talk) 08:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse is shaking

Teahouse is shakingNihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 05:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

? Please explain what you mean. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:58, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: Yes, please do. —— 07:10, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

When I open the Teahousethe objects moves.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 08:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse is experiencing an earthquake. Please return later. The Management. David notMD (talk) 08:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

World Book

Is the world book an acceptable citation? A Tree In A Box (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello A Tree In A Box. The World Book Encyclopedia is a generally reliable source. My parents purchased a set of the 1960 edition when I was a young schoolchild nearly 60 years ago, and I spent countless hours browsing and learning from it. But like Misplaced Pages and undergraduate college textbooks and other reference works, World Book is a tertiary source. It can be used in limited ways, but independent secondary reliable sources are really preferred in most circumstances where they are available. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

how is the Article ?

below is my Article "Draft:CloudEnd Platform" Cheeku009 (talk) 06:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Cheeku009: I've left a note on the draft. You added three identical sources (even down to the part of the URL after the domain) that are nothing but regurgiation of a press release, and two of them are dead, not that it matters, as a press release does nothing to resolve the notability problem for which the draft was previously declined. There has been no other change to the draft since then. If someone would explain how to withdraw your request for review, I'd suggest you do that. —— 07:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: . hi Alan, Thank you for the comment. I didnt know the same articles cannot be used. I have removed the dead links and repeated Articles. Any other recommendations ? Thanks in Advance.—— —Preceding undated comment added 19:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Can someone help publishing a page?

Hi there, I received an invite to the teahouse and wanted to say thank you and hello! Also, I submitted a page "Alston Ramsay" that has not been reviewed. I was curious if you knew any way or were able to speed up the review process, since I would love to get it up sooner. If you have any suggestions, they would be very appreciated! Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Alston_Ramsay

Thank you very much for you help! I really appreciate it. Best wishes! Bluejay1984 (talk) 06:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

No, there is no such way by intention. Why do you need to get this draft reviewed so fast? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure, but you have to explain why to the other hundreds to thousands of people with drafts older than yours waiting for review. —— 07:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Oh my, at first I misread your comment as "hundreds OF thousands. Nearly passed out! Tribe of Tiger 09:02, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

To be clear, the drafts for review is a pile, not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want. Means could be days to months. There is no VIP line. David notMD (talk) 08:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

The draft has a photo you claim to have taken in 2017. Is this true? David notMD (talk) 09:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I collect photos of filmmakers. This photo was taken by me in 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluejay1984 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Can someone help me get a page published faster?

Hi, I received an invite to the teahouse and wanted to say thank you and hello! Also, I submitted a page "The Current Occupant" that has not been reviewed. I was curious if you knew any way or were able to speed up the review process, since I would love to get it up sooner. If you have any suggestions, they would be very appreciated! Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:The_Current_Occupant

Thank you very much for you help! I really appreciate it. Best wishes! Horror99fan (talk) 06:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

No there is no such way by intention. Why do you need to get that draft reviewed so fast? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Your draft is about film by the person the above query is about, and you are both asking for expedited review. What is the connection? David notMD (talk) 09:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

More to the point, you and Bluejay1984 each have joined within the last 48 hours, each immediately created a very professional looking draft, and each asked for expedited review, using remarkably similar wording. Is this undeclared paid article creation? David notMD (talk) 09:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Citation Suggestion

Is https://www.forbes.com/#32bf4eab2254 a reliable source for referencing? Editingwork8 (talk) 06:34, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Editingwork8: If you mean Fed Won’t Raise Rates Until 2025, Goldman Sachs Predicts (the other link is basically a jumble of headlines from different articles), I suppose it's reliable as stating the GS opinion and for the Fed quotes. Not much to it, really, and there should be better sources, like GS themself, if that's what you're after, or the Fed, if you're quoting them. Forbes articles tend to not be particularly "deep", but have been considered generally reliable per WP:RS/P. —— 07:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1 Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

ClueBot

Why isn't cluebot archiving my talk page sections? I inserted the template for cluebot to automatically archive sections in all sections I don't need any more, and enabled the necessary parameter (archivenow). I-82-I | TALK 07:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I-82-I! There is often a delay from when you add the archive template to when it starts archiving. I think it is typically a couple days. You added the template on August 27th, so it may be a day or so before it starts archiving. There was a parameter that was done incorrectly which I fixed, so it should work soon. Giraffer (munch) 09:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Picture

I have a page in Hebreu - https://he.wikipedia.org/%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%96_%D7%93%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A8 - that includes my photo. I tried to reproduce it in my new page but altought it is recognized I failed. What should I do? Thanks for your help. Les livres de Therese Dvir (talk) 08:37, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Oy! There is an article about you in Hebrew Misplaced Pages. It appears you have translated this into French and put in on your Talk page in English Misplaced Pages. A Speedy deletion has been proposed, because Talk is not the place for a draft. I suggest you quickly move that content to your Sandbox, where a draft is allowed. And then decide whether you want to submit a draft to French Misplaced Pages, or translate to English and try for English. Be aware that each language has its own definition of what makes a person notable. David notMD (talk) 09:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Thérèse Dvir. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Cite papers from Google Scholar, showing # of cites

I am helping a new editor with a draft about an esteemed scientist. Notability has been "approved" by an (Admin) reviewer, but they have requested: "List his most cited papers in full bibliographic format (Google Scholar is the simplest way) with the number of citations". I don't know how to do this. I can find the papers on Google Scholar, with the "Cited by" numbers. I have tried to use the Cite Journal format, but can't find a "slot" for Cited By #xxx. (I may be missing something, here.) Can someone advise me? Tribe of Tiger 08:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger: There's not one, AFAIK. Just make a table like:

{| class="wikitable"
! {{Abbr|No.|Number of citations}}
! Citation
|-
|  92 || {{Cite journal |...}}
|-
|  76 || {{Cite journal |...}}
|-
|  23 || {{Cite journal |...}}
...
|}

Of course, it might be more useful to break out the dates into a column, too; I don't know whether the reviewer wants it for review purposes only or as part of the article. —— 09:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Based on the comments, it is most definitely requested as part of the article. This is very helpful. I kept searching for some sort of specific template, and had no joy. Thanks so very much! Will give it a try...Tribe of Tiger 09:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Asking to include the number of citations for each paper is a bit quirky, but a table might be the best way of doing it. In which case, it would be best to specify that these are citations according to Google Scholar as there are other services (eg: Crossref, Dimension, etc) that will give different counts. Richard Nevell (talk) 09:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I was trying to find a template, thought this was a regular sort of thing. Thanks for the advice, re Google Scholar vs other services. An important point....Tribe of Tiger 09:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, User:AlanM1 comments about the dates seems important, as the number of times cited would change over time, I would think? Tribe of Tiger 09:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I thought it was odd, too, which is why I thought it might not be for the finished article. The table caption should probably be something like "Notable citations as of dd mmmm yyyy" with a ref citing Google Scholar as the source of the data, along with the date retrieved. —— 11:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: and @Richard Nevell: Well, poo. Some wiser editor will have to add the top publications/scientific papers at Draft:Atsuhiro Osuka. I have no idea how I managed to so easily add just the bare journal cite for the first, most cited paper. Now, I can't seem to add the journal cite for the second-most cited paper, at all!. Let alone add number of times the paper was cited. WTF, arrrgh. Perhaps I need to relist here as a major problem? Discouraged tiny tiger trudges back to cave. Tribe of Tiger 04:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger: I've set up a few below. It looks like most of Atsuhiro Osuka's publications have a DOI, which helps. To speed up adding the information, in wikicode editing mode I clicked on the cite button, and chose cite journal from the template drop down menu. In the pop-up form that appears there's a field for DOI with a magnifying glass; if you put the DOI in there and click on the magnifying glass it should fill in the rest of the fields. It's not perfect, and it would be worth checking the list of authors. For example, for the 2001 paper Akihiko Tsuda was missed out as an author though they are clearly listed on the article if you follow the link.

It will appear as a reference, so you'd need to delete <ref></ref> which tells the software to put it at the bottom of the article. Are you happy giving that a try? Richard Nevell (talk) 08:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Company name with references added to AI companies of India page. Removed.

My edit on the page AI companies of India has been removed once and I've edited it again for now. What can be the reason for deleting it? Here is the reference I've added:

1. https://www.forbesindia.com/article/brand-connect/expanding-the-scope-of-artificial-intelligence-to-healthcare/50905/1 Editingwork8 (talk) 10:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

It was reverted because the company does not have an article on Misplaced Pages. The AI companies of India page lists companies that have been shown to be WP:notable not just to exist. If there is sufficient WP:reliable sources for it to meet WP:NCORP then create a page for the company first - see WP:WTAF. noq (talk) 10:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@noq Thank you for clearing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello

 밤에 (talk) 10:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@밤에: Do you have a question about editing Misplaced Pages? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is incredibly slow and flat out doesn't work at times. No its not my internet.

Hello, over the past few weeks Misplaced Pages has been incredibly slow for me. Pages take minutes to load, my edits don't go through sometimes giving me the error,'The server did not respond within the expected time'. File uploads are also very slow despite the files themselves being only a few kilobytes in size. My internet is fine since every other website works perfectly and the issue seems to be isolated to Misplaced Pages. This issue has made editing Misplaced Pages an incredibly tedious task and I hope it can be resolved. Prolix 💬 10:57, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Prolix: I did about 900 edits last month, at various times of day, and don't recall any unusual slowness; certainly no more than 5 seconds to load or edit a huge article. My edits are all on enwiki. Are the problems with other wikis? I wonder if it depends on location (no idea what the infrastructure looks like). I'm in southern California. The toolserver and other external stuff is a different story – timeouts and failure not uncommon there. —— 11:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I don't use any other wikis except maybe the occasional commons upload. I doubt its an infrastructure issue either since Misplaced Pages was fine a few months ago and I'm not experiencing such issues on any other site. Prolix 💬 17:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Prolix, have you restarted your device since this problem occurred ? Often this kind of patterns are either local problems, or problems with your local ISP (in that case other devices on the same network likely share the problem). —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@TheDJ: I've restarted both my desktop and the router multiple times, doesn't seem to solve the issue. If the problem was on the ISP's side why would it be exclusive to Misplaced Pages? Prolix 💬 17:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Prolix: What I meant was that I don't know if you and I are connecting to the same physical web server cluster. I suggest mentioning it at WP:VPT, where the people familiar with server operations are more likely to see it. —— 00:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Alright, I'll put up a request there, thanks for your help! Prolix 💬 13:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello

To Whom It May Concern

Firstly, I would like to show my respect for your managing this valuable website.

My name is Lee ye eun. I would like to inform you that your website includes information that seriously distort image of Korea and that could develop into diplomatic problem between Korea and Japan. We Koreans were surprised to see that your website marks Korea’s island Dokdo as Liancourt Rocks. Please refer to this link of your website:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Liancourt_Rocks

The name Liancourt Rocks is originated from France’s whaling vessel Le Liancourt that discovered Dokdo in 1849. Even though Korea, with sovereign control over the island, uses an official name “Dokdo,” temporary term named by French ship is used by your institution and is spreading globally. This is a big problem as people throughout the world recognize “Liancourt Rocks” as standard name.

Now, you might wonder why Korea is so sensitive about the correct name of Dokdo.

Dokdo is one of the most loved islands in Korea and is Korea’s one of major fishing grounds. In addition, Ulleungdo near Dokdo is the global tourist site. For instance, in 2010, , world famous travel magazine, announced that Korea’s Ulleungdo is one of the best recreational site chosen by world’s tourists. According to this magazine, Ulleungdo offers spectacular scenery, preserving the nature from ancient times, and has abundant source of water unlike other islands; neighboring waters, with Dokdo, is the biggest fishing ground in the East Sea. On clear days, Dokdo can be seen from Ulleungdo with naked eye. Historically, for 1500 years, Ulleungdo and Dokdo were referred to as the island of mother and son, which indicates its important close relationship.

Therefore, your institution calling this domestically and internationally crucial island “Liancourt Rocks” will confuse many foreigners and ships visiting Ulleungdo and Dokdo. In addition, your institution might be responsible for physical and mental damage done to Koreans. Above all things, negligence of the term “Liancourt Rocks” would build uncomfortable feelings from Koreans toward your institution and country, and this would become an obstacle to our countries’ friendship.

Therefore, as a member of VANK, I request that your institution use “Dokdo” instead of “Liancourt Rocks” in all publications. For more information on geographical designation of Dokdo in Korean tourist guidebook, visit this website: http://prkorea.com/tour/img/dokdo.gif

We know that your website is putting much effort in understanding other cultures, countries, and designations in this global, informational 21st century. Particularly, your website is contributing towards many people’s correct understanding of other countries’ geographical names and cultures.

We hope you listen to our request kindly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 밤에 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Our convention at WP:COMMONNAME is that here on the English Misplaced Pages we use the name most commonly used in English. The place for any discussion would be Talk:Liancourt Rocks, but if you look in the box at the top of that page you will see that the naming has been discussed on a number of previous occasions. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

When will my article be live?

Hi. I've finished my bio page, but I can't make it live. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Is there a wait time? Malcolm MacKinnon (talk) 11:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Malcolm MacKinnon (talk) 11:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Your question was asked and answered at WP:HD#When will my article be live?. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

n short, User:Dan Skye/sandbox not yet submitted for review, and if submitted in current form, will very likely be declined for reasons given at Help Desk. Lastly, Misplaced Pages frowns on attempts to write about oneself. See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Username change

Hi All,

how do I edit my username? It seems like something simple and I feel daft for asking, but I don't find this to be the most intuitive system. Templar-T-Wales (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Templar-T-Wales. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages is not like Twitter, so you can't change it, but you can under approval from an admin, if I'm not mistaken. GeraldWL 11:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Templar-T-Wales, and welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Changing username; but sinec you have only a few edits on that account, it may be simpler to just abandon it and create a new one. --ColinFine (talk) 11:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Sadas - Company description - Feedback request

Hello, I would like to ask for feedbacks about the company page for Sadas, an Italian multinational computer technology company. I created a trial page in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Giuseppe_Ardolino/sandbox . I already updated the page in the previous months in accordance with feedbacks received from some Misplaced Pages contributors. I want to respect all Misplaced Pages guidelines before the publications to avoid reworks or cancellation. Thank you for collaboration Giuseppe Ardolino (talk) 14:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Getting started

Please how do I get started and get my post right because I have tried and I own the copyright to all what I post. It is actually my biography I posted but it was not approved.

Please what do I do? ShimoriBrown (talk) 14:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello ShimoriBrown, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing that this is about your sandbox. First, this has nothing to do with copyright. Second, while we encourage you to contribute, writing an autobiography about yourself is strongly discouraged. The autobiography you wrote was written in a promotional tone, and not in the style of an encyclopedia, which is why it was deleted (CSD G11). I would recommend that you don't try to write about yourself, as you will have a conflict of interest. Instead, find a topic that interests you, and write about that! We have thousands (probably even millions) of articles that need work, and every positive edit is appreciated.

On a different note, by adding information to Misplaced Pages, you forfeit all of the copyright to your work. If I write an article on Misplaced Pages, the work is in the public domain, and anyone can copy, edit, or re-use it. I am no longer the owner. If you write something in your sandbox, you have given up ownership of it, and anyone can do anything with it. For more info, see WP:C. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 14:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

While it might seem to have that effect, Giraffer, I think it is important to be precise in this area. When you add information to Misplaced Pages you neither forfeit all copyright, nor put it in the public domain. You retain the copyright, but irrevocably grant a CC-BY-SA licence to it, so that anybody may use it for any purpose as long as they comply with the conditions. One consequence is that if somebody uses the material without attributing it, they can be legally challenged; but because you retain the copyright, it is only you that can challenge them, not Misplaced Pages. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Noted. Giraffer (munch) 17:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

If you still want to post your autobiography somewhere, we have a suggested list of alternative outlets here.--Shantavira| 14:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Withdraw an item from the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard?

I posted an item to the dispute resolution noticeboard, but it is not getting a response. I would like to do an RfC instead, but first I would like to close out the DRN, because you are only supposed to do one at a time. How do I do this?Truth Is King 24 (talk) 14:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I suggested that this user come here to get some general advice and coaching given this. Its not dispute resolution and with zero support I doubt its RfC material but some assistance is needed -----Snowded 16:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I've closed the request at DRN and marked it as withdrawn. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I was actually just asking how to do it. Since I posted here, I've learned that it is OK to do an RfC after you have started a DRN.Truth Is King 24 (talk) 19:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Giraffer

Thank you so much Giraffer for the help full explanation. Please I like you to also tell me, how do I get my page like yours and also I like to create personal pages for a few of my friends, how do I go about it ShimoriBrown (talk) 14:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

ShimoriBrown, Hello & welcome once again, I am not Giraffer but I’ve gone through your conversation with them so I pretty much can answer this for you. Your question on how to get your page to be like theirs is quite vague & open to multiple interpretations so I won’t be answering that.

Now On creating articles for your friends The same principle still applies as though you were creating one for yourself as creating for friends, yourself, family, colleagues & whatnot all constitute COI.

Now, although this act is strongly discouraged, it is however not necessarily a taboo. If you have read WP:COI & WP:AUTO thoroughly & you feel strongly that you/your friends are notable enough & fulfill all the requirements outlined in WP:GNG. You may proceed to read WP:GNG,( thoroughly this time), WP:YFA, WP:MOS, & WP:CITE then finally when you think your article is ready to be published, you are strongly advised to submit via the WP:AFC process. Non compliance with all the above mentioned may equate into your article being Speedy deleted. You may also want to read WP:NPOV, WP:PROMO, WP:PAID, & also, what Misplaced Pages is definitely NOT!. Finally, my advise to you would be not to take this route for now, at least until you gather enough experience & learn our basic policies and guidelines starting by reading WP:5P. You might also want to search for other topics that interest you & work on them(fixing typos, adding more citations, fixing grammatical errors...) . Let me know if you have further questions. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 15:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, that was a great answer, but I think (emphasis on think) he meant my userpage... (although if I were you I would save that answer in a userspace subpage for later. :) ShimoriBrown, a good starting place for userpages is WP:UPDC. Userboxes are a fun way to tell people a little about yourself. You are welcome to tell people a little about yourself, you should keep it relevant to Misplaced Pages to avoid having it deleted. This means telling people what you do around here, and how you can help them. While you can have some info about yourself in real life, your userpage should not be an autobiography. Also, you should only make a userpage for yourself - not for others. For more info on designing userpages, I recommend taking a look at WP:UPDC, WP:UBX and WP:Userpages. Also, feel free to use anything on my userpage for yours, although I ask that you don't copy and paste the entire thing. If you need more help on userpages, just drop a message on my talk page. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 16:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Create An About Me page

Please, I will also like to ask, how do I create an about me page. ShimoriBrown (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi ShimoriBrown see the User Page guideline which explains what you can do with your user page. In short you can place content that is about your interests and activities as a Misplaced Pages editor, it is not meant to be used as a general autobiography or resumé. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@ShimoriBrown: Please keep in mind that we are here to build this encyclopedia. User pages are supposed to be a small part of what goes on here, to make it a little more personal. Misplaced Pages is not a social media platform (see that link for more about this). Some people are here for years, with many thousands of edits, and have little to nothing on their user pages. While mine is fairly full, that's happened over a long time – of my ~5,000 edits this year, 20 were to my user page. When a brand new user seems to care only about their user page, instead of working on articles that are unrelated to them or their business, they risk looking as though they are not here to achieve the goals of the project. Thanks for understanding. —— 00:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I requested an article, should I just have written it?

Hi! I requested an article because after reading what it takes to write an article, it seemed like a lot were in the queue (so posting would take a long time) and I've never written one before, so the formatting a research seemed time consuming/daunting. How long after I post the article request do you estimate it will be written? Or is it worth it to write it myself? 24.247.77.254 (talk) 15:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Requested Articles has a backlog of tens of thousands of requests, and some may never be seen as a result. If you want to see an article created, you are welcome to use Articles for creation to submit a draft article for review. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

IP 24.247.77.254: As you said, though, the research is a difficult and important task. Without the right sources, you have nothing on which to base the article. Do take note of WP:COI if you have any relation to the subject about which you want to write. As far as the formatting, the easiest way to get that right is by working on existing articles and seeing how they are put together. Depending on your experience and field of knowledge, the syntax learning curve can vary widely, but there are a lot of examples to work with in the existing article base, as well as a decent amount of documentation and volunteers to answer questions here and at the help desk. I do recommend creating an account, which will let you set some preferences, give you access to helpful gadgets, and facilitate communication with others. —— 00:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Essays

Hello I am User:HelloImAStudent again, and is there a site here to post essays? Maybe on WikiBooks or something? —Preceding undated comment added 15:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@HelloImAStudent, Hello & welcome, by essay I presume you mean theoretical work related to school activity right? If yes, then no, posting essays here are fundamentally what we call WP:OR, which isn’t permitted here. Celestina007 15:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, HelloImAStudent; I guess from your mention of Wikibooks that you're not asking just about Misplaced Pages, but the whole Wikimedia stable of wikis. Wikibooks would be the closest, but unless your essay is somethign that might reasonably form part of a textbook, I don't it's a fit there either: see b:WB:Welcome. If your essay might be part of a suite of teaching materials, it might fit in Wikiversity. But otherwise, I don't think there's a place for it. Perhaps you could create a blog: see Category:Blog hosting services? --ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Celestina007 and ColinFine. These have been helpful.

And Colin, I left a message on your Talk Page! HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Duplicated page?

Hi all,

A while ago, I created a draft page for the actress "Rachel Zegler". Her page was previously a redirect to "West Side Story 2020" because that is her only acting role. So I created the draft to work on until she became notable.

Recently, it looks like someone copied parts of the draft and posted a Rachel Zegler page to the main space (not converting the draft page). If you look at the history of the pages, the draft page was declined for main space transfer on August 7th (I do not know who tried to submit it?) and then someone created the page in the mainspace on August 8th. So I think maybe it was just an effort to circumvent the system.

My question is, should I nominate the draft for deletion? Should I submit it to be combined with the posted one? Should I flag the posted page for notability? Is there a way to turn it back to a redirect? Should I leave it all alone?

Please advise! Apathyash (talk) 15:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Apathyash and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears as if the editor who created the article Rachel Zegler, Factfanatic1, did indeed copy content from the draft. This is permitted, all posted content, including drafts, is released under the CC-BY-SA license, but the source should have been properly credited as required by that license. I have fixed this by adding {[tl|copied}} to the talk pages of the article and the draft. (See WP:CWW for details on this.) There is no rule which requires new articles to be started in draft, or for drafts to be approved via the AfC review process.

At the moment, the article appears a bit thin on notability issues. I see two options:

1. Merge any content from the draft (that is relevant) into the article, add any additional high-quality sources available into the article, and convert the draft to a redirect to the article (it can't be deleted while the article exists for attribution reasons).
2. Nominate the article for deletion as lacking notability, and WP:TOOSOON. If it is deleted, move the draft into userspace and take it out of AfC (so that G13 would cease to apply), and let it wait until Zegler has had more roles and is more clearly notable, if she becomes so.

Either course is reasonable. You could also propose on Talk:Rachel Zegler converting it back into a redirect to West Side Story (2020 film). That could be done with a simple revert to the version by Robert McClenon, but doing that without obtaining consensus is all too likely to start an edit war, which would be bad.

Please do remember that the goal here is to have a valid article of the best possible quality, not to rush to claim credit for it. What is your preference of these options? Do others here have a view? DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 16:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to take credit for the page, I definitely am not! I'm just not sure what the best course of action is. Thank you for the thorough answer! Apathyash (talk) 18:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Pretty much had it already

I have tried for years now to update the name of a page which is incorrect. I was told that the page was not for "our entity" but rather all public schools in the county. So finally I created a page for our district specifically, which was promptly denied. You can't have it both ways. Either "XYZ County Public Schools" refers to all public schools in XYZ County (not all of which are part of our district) or it refers to our school district specifically. If they are two separate entities, then do not deny the page I created. If it refers to our district, then it needs to be titled "XYZ Public Schools" as that has been the name of our school district (due to a renaming) for nearly 10 years now. I don't give a whit which it is within the wiki community, but clarify it for me, and let me move on, please. "XYZ" of course is not the name of our county, for clarification :P Slcsb (talk) 15:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Slcsb, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can understnd your frustration, and i would like to help, but there are problems.

I take it that the existing article is St. Lucie County Public Schools and the draft is Draft:St. Lucie Public Schools. (By the way it is almost never helpful here to describe the issue but not actually name the articles or drafts involved.) At the moment, the article seems to include all the information in the draft, plus listing a few additional schools, which I take it are in the county but not part of the same district. Both have a very brief intro and are otherwise just a list of schools with essentially no info about them beyond age/grade range. Neither has any independent sources cited. At the moment the draft is essentially a subset of the article, with nothing additional.

In fact if it wasn't that there is a consensus to treat schools more laxly than most organizations, this would probably get deleted as not demonstrating notability, if not expanded with additional sources.

What do you want to do with either one? My thought would be to drop the draft and expand the article, by providing additional info about some or all of the schools, or about the district. I don't see that mentioning a few non-district schools hurts anything, but if you really want it to be a district-only article, that might be accomplished. I don't know who told you it had to be about all schools in the county, in district or not, but there is no such rule, and there is no discussion on the article talk page reaching such a consensus. What is your wish here? DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 16:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Just for clarity; the only sourcing is for the SLPS, and no other entity. If we want to include other schools against this entity then this article should have included all school boards. Instead it is probably better for any schools that are not part of this entity to be removed or flagged appropriately (they appear to be Charter Schools under their own organisation so should be flagged in their own subsection imo). Koncorde (talk) 21:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel,I want for the name of St. Lucie County Public Schools to be updated to the correct name, if it is going to represent our district. If it is going to represent the county, then I want someone to approve the separate district page. I will then revert some of the changes that I made to the county page (removing the colleges and other non-district schools that were previously listed). And add more information to both. Should I just develop both as I wish to see them and submit them? Is that how it works? Maybe that's what I had wrong. I was trying to establish the page first and then expand on it. Slcsb (talk) 16:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Great, now somebody reverted the fixes to the address and name AGAIN. What am I supposed to use as a source to verify that we are at the address we are at, and not an address that is now four years out of date?Slcsb (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Use the article talk page, place edit summaries explaining what you are doing, and provide sources. In the end the editor reverting is likely seeing unsupported changes rather than being directed to what is incorrect. @TryKid and Materialscientist:. Koncorde (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Just at a glance, the article needs a move request to St. Lucie Public Schools, and then the address and lede updating. This doesn't seem particularly controversial. Koncorde (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a particular naming convention that is used for schools, but my opinion is that the article specifically about the entity named "St. Lucie Public Schools" should be at that title. It's actually convenient for disambiguation purposes that "County" was removed from the name. An article about schools in that county in general could be named "Public schools in St. Lucie County" or "St. Lucie County public schools" (note the capitalization). No comment about notability of either. —— 01:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I didn't even get into notability. I know for many English articles there are often local authority articles, then education services article, and then even a list of schools within the authority such as those at Category:Lists of schools in North West England. Koncorde (talk) 01:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Greetings to anyone in the Misplaced Pages virtual Teahouse

Greetings to anyone in the Misplaced Pages virtual Teahouse. My question is: 'Has anyone read my poem? AngeloMathes (talk) 17:02, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Presumably about 27 People. Note that that number is always 24 Hours behind the real time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

AngeloMathes. I have tagged your user page for speedy deletion for unambiguous advertising or promotion. Please don't try to use Misplaced Pages for that purpose again. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Archive and Signature Style

How do I archive my talk page and change my current "signature style"? Angus1986 (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Angus1986 (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Angus1986, you can change your signature by going to Preferences → (scroll down) Signature and then changing that. Be sure to read the note underneath explaining wikimarkup. For your second question, there are two main ways. Either you can manually archive your talk page, or get a bot to do it for you. If you want to do it manually, here are the instructions. If you want to have it done automatically, see here. Hope this helps. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 17:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Giraffer, I might have messed up my signature and now unable to sign normally, could you please help? Also, I pasted the code for CuebotIII but no help. Cannot sign. - Angus1986

How to get Google to bring up a new article in search results

Hello all, I just completed my first full article a couple of months ago. I'm proud of it, and I'd like for people to be able to find it using Google Search. But the only thing that comes up is the "Talk" page, which is quite disorienting for the casual Misplaced Pages user. Any suggestions as to how to help Google "find" the actual article? TYIA Btbky (talk) 17:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Btbky, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately we cannot control how Google indexes search results. There is a period of time between when the article is published and when it comes up in search engines, however considering that your article was created on May 27th, that time should have passed. I'm no expert on how Google presents search results, but making sure the article stays relevant and goes into a decent level of detail will improve the page ranking. Finally, talk pages coming up before articles when Googled is not an uncommon thing, (although somewhat of a phenomenon to me). Hope this helps. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 17:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: The Iris Network Giraffer (munch) 17:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

The article was moved to mainspace on June 8, when the AFC submission was accepted, less than three months ago. I thought an accepted AFC submission is immediately considered patrolled for indexing purposes, but that may not be the case. Also, I've seen scattered reports that articles aren't being indexed automatically after three months - it seems to have slipped closer to four months, so we may still be in the pre-index timeframe. But it's odd that the draft talk page shows up in the Google results, which redirects to the live talk page. That may be a Google glitch. TimTempleton 18:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Correcting an inaccurate article.

Hi, I am writing this on behalf of my father, John Campbell. He was alerted by a friend, that someone else is being credited with writing his books. The article related to a person of the same name, John Campbell (Quebec Politician) attached to a book title named Saturday night in York Street. This is incorrect. I hope you can help with this. If you require any further information please contact me and I can provide links to any information you may need. Thanks Bigmanbelfast (talk) 18:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Bigmanbelfast, welcome to Misplaced Pages, and to the teahouse. First, you should disclose your conflict of interest, just give Misplaced Pages:DISCLOSE a quick read and follow the instructions for help on how to do this. To correct the issue, you can just edit the page, remove the content and note in the edit summary of the removal. It appears that your father may not have an article? If this is the case, do not hijack the article in order to add information about a different person, in this case, your father. You should follow the instructions at Help:Your first article in order to get started. If this isn't the case, feel free to edit your father's article once you have disclosed your conflict of interest. Many thanks :) Ed talk! 18:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any mention of a book called Saturday Night in York Street in the John Campbell (Quebec politician) article. This appears to be a mistaken hijack. TimTempleton 18:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bigmanbelfast. I cannot find that the book has ever been mentioned in our article John Campbell (Quebec politician). I strongly suspect that you have encountered a common problem with Google, not Misplaced Pages: Google has linked to the Misplaced Pages article about the wrong John Campbell. I append our standard information about this below.

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: - The mistaken hijack was reverted in this edit yesterday. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:57, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Red links

Why do names appear with red underline links in articles when there is no article about them? Why not just have their name? 314WPlay (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

You'll find an explanation at WP:Red link. Those links are where an editor believes that an article might reasonably exist in the future. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thank you. This was one of the things I had always wondered about Misplaced Pages but was too afraid to ask. Also thanks for the teahouse talkback template! 314WPlay (talk) 19:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

How to get more attention to a question?

Hi again, so I asked a question about an article on its talk page a long while ago. There was no response. Is there a way to post it to a wider audience than just those Misplaced Pages editors who happen to see the talk page, so that I might be answered? I'm thinking it might have interest to people in the field if there is a group for such things. 314WPlay (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

If the article talk page has a link to relevant WikiProjects, they might be useful places to contact folk interested in that type of subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Ah yes I’ll try there. Thank you! 314WPlay (talk) 11:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I need the help of your expert editors for my Misplaced Pages. Thanks

 Kohlivinay (talk) 21:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kohlivinay. I'm afraid that my expert advice on User:Kohlivinay/sandbox is to stop trying to create an autobiography on Misplaced Pages. That is not what it is for. Please read WP:Autobiography for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 21:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kohlivinay: Just a note on terminology: "Misplaced Pages" is the term for this entire project – all 6 million "articles" plus additional support "pages" (like this one). —— 03:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

two basic tools for wikipedia

I am drafting an article for Misplaced Pages. What is the difference between Talk and Sandbox? WStlw 22:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamSell (talk • contribs)

User talk pages are a place to communicate with a particular user. Article (or other ) talk pages are a place to discuss a particular page. A sandbox is a place to test editing functions. If you are drafting an article then you may use your own sandbox (not the main Misplaced Pages sandbox) but a sub page of your user page would be better. If you wish to have other editors contribute to the draft you can work on it in Draft space. Meters (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Please use ~~~~ to autosign your posts. Meters (talk) 23:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@WilliamSell: Some links to the pages described above:

• Your (user) talk page is at User talk:WilliamSell (or Special:MyTalk) ;
• Your sandbox is User:WilliamSell/sandbox ;
• A new article called "My new topic" can be drafted at User:WilliamSell/My new topic or, if you want others to contribute to it, Draft:My new topic.

There are links to your talk and sandbox pages at the very top of pages on the desktop site. —— 03:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Scientific

Are the "language family" section in the English language article, and "parent systems" in the Latin script, and the "scientific classification" in the Human article all based of the same concept of showing the ancestral lineage of things? 47.150.227.254 (talk) 23:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

IP 47.150.227.254: I suggest asking at the Reference desk. —— 03:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Is there a deadline for actions that can be reported to ANI?

I’m thinking of reporting a user at ANI for disruptively removing content that at least 2 other users have said to be acceptable, calling those he disagrees with incorrect, refusing to discuss on the article talk page outside of repeated arguments that have been disputed by multiple users, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith, aspersions, and uncivil behavior. However, the disruptive editing from this user on this page only occurs roughly once a month, with the last time they edited disruptively being a week ago, the last assumptions of bad faith and aspersions were also a week ago, and the last personal attack towards me was a month ago (before I even made an account, but it was directed towards my IP address). I was considering reporting them at ANI if they disruptively edited at any time again, but I was also thinking that by that point the personal attacks, aspersions, and assumptions of bad faith would have been at least a month prior based on the disruptive editing pattern. Am I allowed to report actions from that long ago at ANI? I decided not to report at ANI at that time due to already reporting at DRN, resulting in uncivil behavior from both me and the other user, and me following advice to slow down on the matter and focus on other pages. However, this user’s disruptive and uncivil behavior still concerns me, but I don’t know if I’m allowed to report it until they disruptively edit during or after an RFC that was started on the article talk page 5 days ago, after any signs of uncivil or disruptive behavior so far, and after their concerns of the content breaking WP:V and WP:OR have been handled. I don’t know if I can trust this editor, but it’s either I don’t give the other user a fair chance to redeem themselves, or I report uncivil behavior from at least a month prior. Unnamed anon (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Unnamed anon: There is no "bright line" deadline, no. I haven't looked into what precisely is going on, but just based on what you've said you've already reported it and were told to step back from said article, correct? That, combined with it being a month old, probably means it's okay for you not to report it. If the editor's actions are that bad, someone else will report them. -- a lad insane (channel two) 01:27, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Unnamed anon, there are various forms of dispute resolution that should be tried first to deal with chronic behavioral problems. Unless the situation is an emergency, ANI should be a last resort. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:33, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, I actually did try the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard before, and that resulted in uncivil behavior from both me and the other user, with both of us criticizing each other instead of focusing on the content. However, I am worried that their disruptive editing will continue despite their concern of content breaking WP:OR being addressed and handled. I have removed what I considered bloat before, and they still disruptively resorted to mass removal while refusing to discuss on the matter outside of edit summaries that included accusations of bad faith, then proceeded to tell me that claims of them ghosting me were nothing more than aspersions, and that I was wrong to disagree with their claims, as well as an unaddressed personal attack from when I was editing with just my IP, and feeling as if they are twisting statements from other users and lying in order to get their preferred version. I feel very uncomfortable with this editor‘s disruptive and uncivil behavior, but the worst of it has been quite some time ago, which is why I initially asked this question. Thank you A lad insane and Cullen328 for giving your explanations. Unnamed anon (talk) 03:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Unnamed anon, you admit in your comment above that you engaged in uncivil behavior during dispute resolution. If you file a report at ANI, your own behavior is likely to come under intense scrutiny as well as the behavior of anyone you report to ANI. So, I suggest that you spend a very long time editing without any uncivil or disruptive behavior before setting out to criticize the behavior of other editors. You are now in a very weak position to call for sanctions on other editors, based on what you wrote above. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

A Question About Table

Is it possible to align header or caption to left or right? If it's possible, how can I do such thing? 59.0.101.19 (talk) 00:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

IP 59.0.101.19: Yes, but it's not usually appropriate. Look at this with the source editor:

—— 03:40, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Citation Troubles

Hello!

I cannot find any websites that support the final paragraph on this page. However, I can't find any sources that suggest otherwise. Is it acceptable for this paragraph to be left without citations? Swadge3 (talk) 01:07, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Swadge3: Welcome to the teahouse. Yes, there should be sources on that final paragraph. Looking around, I could not find any new sources for the article. I have nominated it for deletion as I do not think it meets our notability standards. You can see the discussion here.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Article Declined

Hi there! I'm looking for some help as I enjoy making edits on Misplaced Pages and have enjoyed doing so. When I was making some edits I noticed that someone had tried to create a page on me as an actress but was unsuccessful so I decided to start a page as I would be accurate in putting the correct information about myself and just got a message back to say declined. Do I need to get someone else to create a page other than myself, say from a producer from one of the television shows I am known for as its extremely hard navigating this and feel that there is a obvious need to have a page that has correct information on mysyself as an actress. Look forward to hearing from you. Laura Laura Amy Meakin (talk) 02:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Laura Amy Meakin. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Your attempt was unreferenced other than a link to another Misplaced Pages article, which is not acceptable. Please read and study Your first article before proceeding. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Laura Amy Meakin: as Cullen says, autobiographies are strongly discouraged. The best thing to do is to wait for someone else to create the page, as it will be neutral. In the meantime, if you feel there is an obvious need to have a page that has correct information on you, then starting your won personal web site is the obvious answer.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Laura Amy Meakin: You might also want to read the essay An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Subjects of articles in this encyclopedia have practically no direct control over its content. If there is a clear, undisputable, factual error, you can request a correction (just as with a newspaper article), but independent editors will choose what sources to use and how to best reflect them based on our principles. With your own website or social media page, you have creative control and can choose what to present and how, which seems to be a far better solution. —— 03:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Isaiah age when

 92.49.73.232 (talk) 03:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

IP 92.49.73.232: If you have a question about editing or using Misplaced Pages, please ask it. If you want to know some piece of information that may be in Misplaced Pages, I suggest searching for it (click on the link) or asking clearly at the reference desk. —— 03:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Please Help! an article containing Anti Hindu post has been locked!

This article which describes a Hindu help and service group is being portrayed in the wrong manner as a "militant group" which it is NOT. Please help as I don't know what to do in this case as the article is locked and I am not an administrator also.

article link: Bajrang_Dal Superbsic (talk) 05:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Superbsic. Any proposals you have for changes to this controversial article should be made at Talk:Bajrang Dal, with a view toward developing consensus. You must propose changes that comply with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, and you must furnish references to reliable sources that back up the changes you hope to make. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Getting my tone right

I'm new to wikipedia and decided after my retirement that I wanted to contribute to a few articles. I've edited a few existing pages but am having trouble with my first attempt at publishing a new article Draft:Ian_Charles_(Scientist). This gets rejected due to tone. I've read the guidance notes on tone to be used and tried resubmitting after adjusting the text but still it gets rejected. It would be great if someone could give me a few examples of how to improve this article so it stands a chance of being accepted. LittleA65 (talk) 08:40, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

LittleA65, here are a few notes of concern about the draft:

• The article seems to be more about what the scientist studies, and not who he is.
• The article sounds a lot like a press release, all praise, and only describing his accomplishments
• The lede does not accurately summarise the contents of the article (read WP:LEDE), for example:
  • Professor Ian Charles' research explores infectious diseases, is the first sentence in the article. This should instead be along the lines of: Professor Ian Charles (born ) is a British epidemiologist and founder of the Quadram Institute as an example.
• All the article's citations are in one section?
• Per WP:EXTERNAL, there should not be links to other websites outside of Misplaced Pages in the body of the article.

I suggest reading WP:MFA for more info. — Yours, Berrely • ∕_Contribs 08:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Berrely. It would have been useful to get his kind of feedback during the review rather than a simple terse rejection. I will go off and attempt to improve the article again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleA65 (talk • contribs) 08:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

How can i make notability in wiki content

 CMS:112 (talk) 09:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

CMS:112, what do you mean? Please provide some context. Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines are here. If you are referencing ABES Engineering College, an article that is tagged with {{Notability}}, it has been tagged with the template as most of the sources are self-published and unreliable, which may mean the article is not notable enough for a mainspace article. — Yours, Berrely • ∕_Contribs 09:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Can someone explain and help please?

A user want't to delete the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Kirk_Monteux

This person states "sources are all unreliable or not useful in establishing notability."

What does this suggest? That this article is a fraud?

Do you need a proof of the actual existence of a person like a birth certificate?

What other proof can a music composer provide than countless publishings on all major music market places?

Isn't being a artist and a member of a family with great musicians thru four generations noticeable? Mediapals (talk) 10:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mediapals: No, sorry, Notability (as Misplaced Pages defines it) is not inherited from someone's parents or relatives. They must be notable in their own right. See WP:NARTIST and WP:NMUSIC for our criteria on creative professionals. Basically, we need to see that the world has taken notice of that person, not that they've just existed and done their job. (Otherwise, there could be 7 billion articles about people here). Misplaced Pages doesn't care what a person writes about themselves. It's not that we don't believe they exist (and a birth certificate proves only that). We need to see Reliable, independent sources that have written in detail and in depth about that person. Books, magazines, news media etc are ideal, but not personal websites or social media accounts. Just performance listings, discogs etc are quite insufficient. And, no, it's not suggesting that the article is a hoax - just that the sources used at this time to no show the person merits an article. Anyone can, at any time, put forward any article with poor sources for sa deletion discussion, although we expect them to due some checking beforehand in case those sources have been simply missed, but are readily findable (see WP:BEFORE). Hope this helps. (Oh, and do see this guidance about Conflicts of Interest, should you happen to have a connection with the person through work, friendship or relationship). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mediapals: I have just looked online, and it seems probable that you created this page about yourself. If my assumption is correct, you must 100% definitely declare your connection and not edit the article until you have done so. We strongly discourage anyone attempting to promote themselves on Misplaced Pages. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. I notice the article has been given a PROD notice. Although anyone can remnove that if they contest its removal, I would expect it then to be put forward for a deletion discussion at Articles for Deletion. Anyone wanting to save it would need to find detailed independent sources that talk about Kirk Monteux. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)  

Mediapals, while people may choose to add suitable sources (a useful shorthand is to read WP:42 to learn what is required) the onus is on the person wishing to save the article to prove notability, something that is precisely as it ought to be. Is the gentleman notable in his own right? Fiddle Faddle 11:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't aware that writing about my self makes a conflict of interest — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediapals (talk • contribs) 11:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Could be those sources helpful?

http://www.artandpopularculture.com/Berlin_School_of_electronic_music

http://d-nb.info/gnd/138939594 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediapals (talk • contribs) 12:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Mediapals, The first is or appears to be user generated content using mediawiki software, the second is pure fact, but insufficient to verify notability.

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this article suitable for inclusion (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle Faddle 12:04, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

If you examine https://www.wikidata.org/Q1743486 you will see many simple facts confirmed. These are not able to show that Notability is verified. They are linked to already at the foot of the article Fiddle Faddle 12:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Creating a Wiki Article

Is it possible for two people to write a Misplaced Pages Article together? My brother lives in Georgia, and I'm in California. He's been helping me, but now he has to return to school (he's a teacher). I want to continue the work we've been doing - we're very close to being finished. Kilitzianf (talk) 12:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey Kilitzianf, that's awesome that you two are collaborating together. You can work together in you're sandbox (located here) until your ready to publish. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kilitzianf, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is fine, indeed encouraged, that tow, or even more, people should work together on a draft or article. I take it that this is Draft:Rotea Gilford, is that correct? The best and most usual way is for each of you to have a Misplaced Pages account. Do note that Misplaced Pages accounts are each to be for a single person, and should never be shared.) each person can edit the draft, seeing via the history tab what the other has done.

I do see some problems with the current draft. 1) Other Misplaced Pages articles are not considered to be reliable sources and may not be cited as reference sources. First of all, such articles might at any given point be affected by vandalism or inaccurate editing. Secondly, it raises the issue of circular sourcing, where article A cites article B, and B cites A. 2) dats uses in citation templates must match one of a limited number of formats. The YYYY/MM/DD format is not6 acceptable. YYYY-MM-DD is, as is MMMM DD, YYYY and DD MMMM YYYY. See MOS:DATES for more details. I just did a quick look, and have not done a through review. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 14:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Kilitzianf I have made a couple of edits to the draft, one to fix a date format, and one to replace two citations to Misplaced Pages with citations to the newspaper articles already cited in the referenced Misplaced Pages articles. Similar changes should be made throughout the draft. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 15:33, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to see an article about Zac Brown Band's "Free / Into the Mystic," and it's relationship with "Into the Mystic."

 69.126.12.110 (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

If you would like to create an article, either do it yourself by reading through and following WP:Your first article, or by requesting it at WP:Requested articles. In both instances, please be sure to read the whole page to make sure your article in suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 12:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@69.126.12.110:. And if you wanted to create it yourself, make sure you have reliable sources. Misplaced Pages needs verifiable content which can be read here and also from reliable sources . Be sure to have secondary sources. Drilling into primary sources is a problem too. I have experienced this too. For reliable sources, Reliable sources and its noticeboard where you ask questions about reliable sources. Regards.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Reproducing an ONDB entry

Hello - I'm very new to editing Misplaced Pages. I wanted to start with something I knew about - the entry for John Pinney

I realise that the ONDB has a very good entry on him. Is there any reason why this can't be reproduced as it stands? Or do I need to write something 'original' using that content? Ruthhenrietta (talk) 13:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ruthhenrietta; welcome to the Teahouse and to Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately not directly, for two reasons: first, the ODNB is copyright, and we cannot accept copyright material unless it has been released under a suitable licence. Secondly, it is a tertiary source, and Misplaced Pages articles should be based on secondary sources. It may be that it cites useful sources.

But if you are new to Misplaced Pages, I really really advise you not to try plunging straight into the most difficult task there is for an inexperienced editor: creating a new article. We have six million articles, most of which could really do with some improvement (and tens of thousands of which are seriously substandard, and should either be improved or deleted as unsalvageable). I'd suggest looking at the community portal for ideas of where to work - or, of course, choose an area of interest to you and find some articles that need improvement. When you are ready to embark on the Big Project, then read your first article to get an idea how to begin. You might also find WP:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/DNB, people prominent in ODNB of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 13:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine - that's really helpful. I'll go back to plan A which is to edit the original page using my own sources. (Hope I've managed to put your name in correctly - I'm on a very steep learning curve!)

Hi, Ruthhenrietta. I see that in my answer I missed that you were proposing to work on an existing article, which made much of my answer irrelevant - apologies. As for pinging me: you got it right, except that pinging another editor doesn't work unless you sign your post: I see you signed your original post, but not your reply. --ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again ColinFine - having spent the afternoon writing - another question - it is ok to quote from ONDB if I can't find another source of the information (in this case the date of a marraige and the number of children someone had)? Testing my signature! Ruthhenrietta (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

My Biography

This is my Biography, i did not start it or write it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Steve_Woodmore ( I can conclusively prove this is me) the amount of untruths and incorrect information in it is staggering, i have tried to correct it but this has resulted in me getting warings for vandalism and threats of being barred.

All I want to do is make sure a page about me is factual, how can I do that? Stevewoodmore (talk) 13:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Stevewoodmore, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm really sorry to learn you've been frustrated by what you've seen about you on Misplaced Pages. I know it can be confusing when you try to make changes , only to have them reverted. I'll try and point out a few key things which might help. Perhaps the most important thing to say is that everything in an article about a living person should have an inline citation to a Reliable Source which allows anyone to confirm it is correct. (But by 'correct' I mean that it has been properly published somewhere, such as in a newspaper, books or reliable news outlet, and not that it is necessarily 'true'.) Try to see Misplaced Pages as an aggregation of what has been already written and published about a topic by independent sources, and forgot what you know to be true about yourself, but can't demonstrate to be true via published sources. Nothing in your article should be so 'false' and uncited as to cause you offence - you are entitled to remove that immediately. But it is better to let a non-involved person make the edits to the article about you.

So, how to do that? First, would you kindly declare on your userpage that you are the person named in your account, following the advice here: WP:COI? Then, on the article's talk page, could you list in separate sentences each of the things you find are wrong, and would like corrected, but ensure you include a hyperlink or a reference to the relevant published source (not your own website or social media posts as we don't accept those, apart from for a few trivial bits of information. If you would ckindly suggest the precise form of words you think should be used, then an editor can assess how best to incorporate that information (having confirmed in the sources you've given that is can be verified)

If there are things that are stated, but unsupported with a reference, please list each sentence separately and say it's untrue and seek their removal from the article.

Having done all that, you should add one of our 'edit requests' to the page and this will flag it up for attention in due course by another editor. You could either come back here and ask for help with that step, or see WP:EDITREQUEST for help on placing the edit request on that page. I hope this quick breakdown is helpful, but please understand that we ask editors not to try to make changes to articles about themselves as this is often seen as a 'conflict of interest', which we try to avoid whenever we can. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stevewoodmore: Accounts named after real, notable people can be blocked to prevent damaging impersonation. My advice is to first email info-en@wikimedia.org to prove that you are Steve Woodmore. Once satisfactory proof of your identity has been received, then I would go through the guide entitled Problems in an article about you. Other than that, Nick Moyes has already given you lots of good advice above, so I won't repeat it. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I have submitted both my UK driving licence and Passport which should prove that I am me. However both of these are in my birth name which is slightly different to what's on wiki, another correction I want made.

However as per one of the corrections I want made, I am quite seriously ill and even doing that is a struggle for me.Stevewoodmore (talk) 14:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stevewoodmore: OK, thank you. I am really sorry to hear your are unwell. I realise this is probably a faff that you could well do without, so please accept my apologies that we really do have to make sure things are done correctly and legitimately. (We have lots of trolls and mischief-makers trying to alter articles for their own ends which we have to guard against) Perhaps you would care to let me know the statement you find of concern? I or another editor here will take a look at it for you and its supporting reference, and then we might amend it if it is appropriate for us to do. I could probably throw Misplaced Pages policies at you until the cows come home, but WP:COMMONNAME is guidance on how we name articles, based on how that subject is commonly known by, rather than how that person either was once called, or wants to be called from hereon in. But I'm sure we can sort things for you, one way or another. Best wishes Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I see two main corrections in the edits you made. One is to add a mention of your current medical condition; this would need a source to go in but a small mention in a newspaper would probably do. The other is to correct the article to say that you still hold the Guinness world record; that would require a more serious source but when I go to the Guinness site at https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/358936-fastest-talker it says the current hold has been Sean Shannon with 655wpm since 1995. If you think the Guinness team made a mistake you should bring it up with them, not us. Tigraan 15:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:

1: In the info box my birth name is Stephen NOT Steven. I am known as Steve Woodmore. I do not work I am medically retired.

2: "as the world's fastest talker, a title which he held for five years" I have held the title continuously since 1993, the only proof I have is a negative, IE no-one has broken it since 1993. If tyou contact the GBOWR either by email or phone they will confirm that the record is no longer published ijn the book but that I am in fact on their database as the correct world record holder.

3: Personal life I want to add important and relevant information as follows.

Diagnosed with cancer (Follicular Lymphoma) Dec 2013, subsequent radiotherapy and chemotherapy have damaged Woodmore's saliva glands to the point he can no longer talk at record speeds Jan 2018 after 12 months Chemotherapy declared in complete remission. March 2020 the Lymphoma returned and currently undergoing chemotherapy.

4: I live in Chislehurst, Not Orpington and attempted to add this URL https://en.wikipedia.org/Chislehurst

5: I would like to be added to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/Category:People_from_Chislehurst

My driving licence submitted shows that I live in Chislehurst

By nature I am a private person and have deliberately kept away from the media since 2000 which is why the incorrect information and incorrect articles published about me have gone unchallenged.

My cancer is important because it affects what I am notable for. of course I understand there are trolls and general mischief makers about, there are even people who pretend they have cancer to get a bit of sympathy, tjhat's not me though, I can prove this with my medical records should I need to.

@Stevewoodmore: I'm sorry about your health. I did some research and the Guinness official web site published a source that states Sean Shannon took the title from you in 1995, and it was retired with him.]. Absent other sourcing contradicting that info, it will have to stay. After looking this up, I went to the talk page and saw that others already addressed this with the same source. As far as other content, the part about you having to teach yourself to slow down is cited to a program that I don't have access too, but it seems odd. This should all be discussed on the talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton 19:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

And yert there I am listed in the 1999 Guiness Book of Records as the Worlds fastest talker, typical Wiki research, poor at best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.250.88 (talk) 19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Classics of Western Spirituality (draft)

I've been working on Draft:Classics of Western Spirituality and added Template:WikiProject Philosophy and religion to the Talk page to improve its odds of a faster review. When someone has a moment, would you mind checking that I've done so correctly? Thanks. BikrBoy (talk) 13:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello BikrBoy, and welcome to the Teahouse! That template doesn't exist, so instead I added two separate ones - one for philosophy and one for religion. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 14:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Problems updating new version of Image

https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Ethiopian_Region_Map_with_Capitals_and_Flags.png

I'm having trouble updating a file I uploaded in March to Wikimedia Commons. Recently, in Ethiopia, they added the new region of Sidama, and so I wish to update my map to reflect that. However, I keep getting renderings of the old file when I view it in smaller sizes. When I click on one of the smaller resolutions, I get an error message. Only when I click on the original 2000x2000 do I see the new image. Any idea what's going on and how I fix it? AvRand (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Avrand6: It sometimes can take some time until the server has regenerated the lower resolution subimages. See Help:Purge for urgent cases. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

How to add a picture on a article

pictures

how do add a picture on a page/article because some of then lack pictures of people and I have some of them then how do I add them I have asked many people but I did not get a response so whoever seems to be reading this please give me an answer Alisha rains (talk) 14:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Do you have the image already uploaded? (here or on our sister project Wikimedia Commons)? If not, you can follow one of the two links above, which will help you with the upload process. Free files should generally go to Wikimedia Commons, while non-free (fair use) images must be kept here. After that, please tell us the upload name of the image, or simply come back and ask for how to include it in an article, and we will have a look. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alisha rains, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Misplaced Pages. I have a question to ask, that may avoid some frustration and wasted effort later: did you take this pictures yourself? If you did, then you can upload them to Wikimedia Commons, and license them appropriately as you do so. If you did not, Misplaced Pages may not be able to accept them: in particular, most images you find on the Internet cannot be used, because Misplaced Pages is very careful about copyright. Many articles lack a photo not because nobody can be bothered, but because nobody has been able to find a photo with suitable licensing. The whole story is at WP:Image use policy. --ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages page on Sushant Singh Rajput regarding manner of death.

 82.69.118.113 (talk) 16:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP, welcome to Misplaced Pages and to the Teahouse. There are multiple discussions regarding this issue at Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput. If you'd like to discuss changes, or ask questions regarding an article, its talk page is the best place to do so. Many thanks, Ed talk! 16:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Who runs Misplaced Pages

 Dexdunkers (talk) 18:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

It is owned and operated by the Wikimedia Foundation: Misplaced Pages:Administration#Wikimedia_Foundation, but most of the day-to-day stuff is handled by volunteers at each language's Misplaced Pages which are all seperate projects with their own rules and guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 18:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving barnstars from talk page to user page (Question)

So I am trying to format my user page and I am wanting to move the 2 barnstars I have to it. I tried a copy/paste of the message in the talk page and it didn't work. What is the correct format/template to do that? Elijahandskip (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC) Elijahandskip (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Elijahandskip, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I copy barnstars from my user talk page to my main user page routinely. I do so by copy&paste. The last time I did so was in this edit. Be sure you copy the entire barnstar message. DES _{DESiegel Contribs} 18:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

How to tell how often a page is visited

I've noticed in the discussion concerning a bio page, on the rfc section, that someone commented on the number of times the page has been visited. How does one get this sort of information?Truth Is King 24 (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC) Truth Is King 24 (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Truth Is King 24, Welcome! Check Help:Referencing_for_beginners#RefToolbar. The "infowindow" has a field for that. On your above question: Click "View history", then "Pageviews". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:40, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Is there a template for ref. name =

It is easy to do a <ref> but when I am doing a <ref. name = > I always have to look to see where someone else has done that. Is there a template or something of the sort, for when you want to name your reference and the refer to it again. Truth Is King 24 (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Why was the Evoque Data Center Solutions page deleted?

Hi folks, We have tried to make the page as factual as possible, and it pertains to a specific company. Please let us know how we can edit the entry to make it conform with Misplaced Pages's standards. Thanks. StevePR104 (talk) 19:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello StevePR104! If you check this page: you'll see who deleted it and why, in the red field. WP:COI and WP:PAID may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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