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WP 1.0 Assessment statistics

Hi, I noticed that you had some involvement in updating the assessment categories from "Poland-related" to "Poland".

I always find it hard work to get these working. The advice at Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot is now more up to date, with a new link to run a manual update on the assessment table.

Before the manual update I made this edit which may have been important.

Then, after running the update, there was this edit to display the results.

Hope this helps. This message is partly for my own reference as well. – Fayenatic London 16:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Fayenatic

I had to check back to see what had happened. I find that WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 2#Category:Poland-related_articles_by_quality had renamed the parent category from "Poland-related" to "Poland". So I updated the banner template {{WikiProject Poland}}, moved the -Class and -Importance categories to match the new format, and update the categories. It was quite a big job.

Thanks for cleaning up the assessment template.

I wonder if the CFD nominator User:1234qwer1234qwer4 knows how much work is triggered by this sort of change. Maybe it was better renamed, but I have some doubts about the return-on-effort from renaming or restructuring categories which are not reader-facing. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, sorry for breaking things. If I ever nominate assessment categories again, I'll add all the subcategories as well. FWIW, I think adding the list of needed category changes to WP:CFDS would have been faster. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 18:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @1234qwer1234qwer4. CFDS wouldn't really have helped; the worst of it was re-templating all the categories, and then sorting all the pages which were manually categorised. I have dealt with several sets of project cat renamings, and there aren't many shortcuts in that job.

That's why flag this up, not cos you did anything wrong (apart from nominating only one cat) ... but just so that you are aware of how much work it creates. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Two million barnstars for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Congratulations on passing two-million edits! BD2412 T 15:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, BD2412. It's an almost absurdly high number, isn't it? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes – I can relate! BD2412 T 15:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, you are not far behind, BD. Just a little bit less absurd.

--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, congratulations! Johnbod (talk) 15:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Palermo

Apologies, I misread the logs, I didn't realise that the "original" creation was a redirect and not the topic itself! Giant Snowman 08:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Look, @GiantSnowman, we all make such mistakes, and the way that those log files are arranged is not the clearest ... so mistakes are horribly easy.

So the problem is not that you misread the log. The problem is that instead of telling me that you reckoned I had misread it, you chose to accuse me of deliberately misremembering. That's why my reply was angry.

I'd be happy to accept an apology made in the same place as the original accusation, with the original struck-through. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Done. Giant Snowman 11:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:31, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:19th-century elections in England

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:20th-century elections in England

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:21st-century elections in England

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Template:Crimesdecade

The crime by century tree is a mess because it switches from "crime" to "crimes" at 1500 - see Category:Crime by century & Category:Crimes by century. As a result Template:Crimesdecade is populating redirects instead of the right categories - Category:11th-century crimes & Category:13th-century crimes. Can the template be modified to sort this out? Timrollpickering (talk) 09:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the headsup, @Timrollpickering.

The crime/crimes tree has several such inconsistencies, and some day I will do a few big CFD noms to sort them out.

In the meantime, I tweaked {{Crimesdecade}} in this edit to use {{Resolve category redirect}}, which I created a few weeks ago to fix similar issues with some anarchism categories.

It seems to have done the trick. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:52, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

appreciate your help

thank you BrownHairedGirl for pointing out I did as your suggested, let me know if I did correctly when you get a chance appreciate you for help thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.168.68.248 (talk) 04:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I presume that refers to this edit by me. You're welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:39, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Elections in England by decade

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Categories in my draft page

Hi BrownHairedGirl (talk · contribs), thanks for notifying me about the categories in my draft page (here). It just slipped my mind and I thank you for your help! I will look out for that in the future!

Kvwiki1234 (talk) 04:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, @Kvwiki1234. It's an easy thing to overlook.

God luck developing the article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, God will grant me luck ;-) Kvwiki1234 (talk) 04:48, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Need your review of changes to page

Hello –

My name is Kate Fox. I am the assistant to Mr. Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson who is the founder of the Justice Party. On September 15, 2020, Mr. Anderson and I made substantial changes to the Justice Party Misplaced Pages page in order to correct several errors and update outdated information. We received your message regarding our changes being undone. We would like Misplaced Pages to please review the changes we made. I have a .pdf of the updated page. I am new to major Misplaced Pages edits. We need these changes made to the Justice Party page. How do I get your review in order to ensure the changes are actually made?

Thanks. Kate Fox (Redacted) AndersonRocky (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kate

There are two issues here:

It seems that you and Rocky Anderson are sharing use of the same account. That is not allowed on Misplaced Pages: we have a rule of one human to one account, and vice versa )see WP:ROLE). Please, create a account for yourself: Special:CreateAccount
You both have a conflict of interest with respect to the article Justice Party (United States), so neither of you should edit that page directly. See:
- Misplaced Pages:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide
- Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest (the full policy on CoI)

I do not personally have time to help you through this. However, if you would like help understanding the guidance, please consider going to Misplaced Pages:Teahouse to ask for assistance. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my draft

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/978937518

Thank you for this editing. I didn't notice my draft was affecting the categories. I'll be careful when this sort of editing next time. 🙂 shuuji3 (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, TAKAHASHI Shuuji. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:20, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Casa Grande

Thanks so much for this cleanup. I might have remembered when I began editing it, but just as easily might have missed it. StarM 01:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

User:2dmaxo/Adaku Utah

Hello BrownHairedGirl. I am writing with regards to the (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) criteria for speedy deletion tag on User:2dmaxo/Adaku Utah, and I have stated reason on article talk page as directed. However, article is ready and I intend to move it to the main userspace, kindly advise if it okay to proceed. Many thanks. 2dmaxo (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

The speedy deletion tag was added by @Celestina007, so I dunno why you are contacting me about it.

I also don't know what you mean by move it to the main userspace. Mainspace and userspace are different namespaces.

The next step is to wait and see what happens to the Speedy deletion tag. If it is not deleted, you can submit the draft for review by pressing the button I have added to User:2dmaxo/Adaku Utah. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, BrownHairedGirl. Forgive my typo, I meant the mainspace. Thanks a lot! 2dmaxo (talk) 11:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Female musicians

Hello. Per the outcome of Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists, I've nominated the subcats of Category:Women guitarists that use "female" for renaming to the variant using "women" on CFDS. By going up a different part of the category tree, I noticed the upper category is called Category:Female musicians. Through its history I found the discussion Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 April 27#Women/Men or Female/Male as an adjective (to which I added a link on the category's talk page), in which there was no consensus on what word to use. Do you think it is useful to nominate the categories in some smaller batches? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

It might well be useful, @𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰. But one step at a time: let these dodgy speedies go through first (the CFD close was v dodgy) and then do a group CFD for Category:Female musicians and its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

BrownHairedGirl, as I said "a group CFD for Category:Female musicians and its subcats" is very likely to come to no consensus again, that's why I suggested unifying categories for specific kinds of musicians first; this was the question. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰,the problem with that doing it separately for each type of musician is that it's very hard to make a plausible case that cellists should be considered separately to oboists. I will oppose CFD noms which try to do this in chunks, unless there is convincing evidence of a cultural distinction. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

So you'd find a renomination of all the affectable categories better? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:12, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰: the community has decided not to take an overall stance on all occupations. So I think it's est to take one occupation at a time. However, I think we should try to aim for consistency within occupations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh, o. actally ddn't notc th CfD as abt th s of "fmal" and "omn" n catgoy nams n gnal; fo som ason thoght t as only abt mscans. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰: huh? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Oops. I've sporadically not been able to type the letters q, w, e, r, u, and i on my keyboard lately; I'm using the on-screen keyboard now (hell, is that slow). My text was intended to read "Oh, wow. I actually didn't notice the CfD was about the use of "female" and "women" in catgory names in general; for some reason I thought it was only about musicians." 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 18:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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Categories in my draft

Hello BrownHairedGirl. Just a quick thank you for your comment on my Sandbox, regarding the use of categories in draft articles. Now I think about it, what you say makes perfect sense. In this particular case, I am about to delete the draft as it has served its purpose, but I will keep your advice in mind for the future. Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike Marchmont. Glad that helped. And nice work on Morningside, Edinburgh.

For future drafts, you may find these two scripts handy: User:DannyS712/Draft no cat and User:DannyS712/Draft re cat. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:51, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

India cat header templates

For info, following Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 1, I have made India versions of three of your USstate templates. You can find them in Category:India state and territory templates. – Fayenatic London 12:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Looks good,'Fayenatic. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Category edits on Smooth-On Draft

Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hondo2160 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Him again!

Up to his old tricks I see. I think a few more people are seeing through him now. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 21:14, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, DuncanHill, it's the same old pattern. Attack, troll, then whine when asked to stop, and complain that being asked to stop trolling triggers his mental health. A real timesink. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:10, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for all your reactions on WiR. In a similar automated context, we have recently been landed with over 7,000 wp:Women writers talk page additions (actually in the form of "Women Writers" -- so most of them can be easily identified) drawn from a range of questionable sources such as women journalists (many of whom do not write but report on TV or radio). While most nevertheless seem to be valid, we now have to check them all for assessment and delete those which are inappropriate. In this case though, I must say SAdN was responding to a specific request to increase the number of articles in the wikiproject. When I questioned the approach, I was informed that lots of editors enjoy gnoming. Maybe, but they could be spending their time on more useful topics. In the light of your reactions, I hope others will take up your cause. Btw, thanks for all your own continuing effots on categorization.--Ipigott (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your msg, Ipigott, and sorry for the slow reply.

the consistent problem with SADiN's editing is that it seems to be all geared towards maximising his number of automated edits, rather than to producing good outcomes. It is exacerbated by the sneakiness of his edits, due to the persistent lack of infotrmative edit summaries.

It seems from his reply to you that he is happy to knowingly do a bad job which creates lots of work for other editors. Can you pint me to a diff for that comment you mention? He refused to engage with my critique, and seems to want everything to go ANI, so that diff will be useful in evidence. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Something of a misunderstanding here, I think. The comment did not come from him but from the person who asked for the additions to wp:Women writers. Anyway, I have a feeling it came by email rather than on Misplaced Pages. But you might be interested in "Women writers" on .--Ipigott (talk) 09:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Looks like it's back

United Kingdom’s internal market, same issues and same author, so I'm guessing this similar to the content of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/UK Single Market? Not sure whether to request G4, or a WP:AN/RFC on the merge discussion (not that there's really much that can be merged). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the headsup, @ProcrastinatingReader. But I'm sorry, I don't have the energy right now to help. I have had a lot of time and energy wasted this week by becoming the latest target of the long-term nasty troll Chris.sherlock. All resolved, by a one-way IBAN on the troll ... but it has left me drained, and I need to focus on finishing other en.wp work I had started and on dealing with a just-gone-critical problem with my house.

Good luck in sorting this out. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Re: Chris.sherlock AN/I

Responding here since the thread at WP:AN/I is closed.

First, my comment about the Foundation performing interventions was tangential to my point. (Although if the Foundation wants to get into the business of managing the community, they need to consider other responses to undesirable behavior than sanctions like banning people.) My point was not to defend him. It was that an IBAN from you &/or DuncanHill alone isn't going to work. Maybe it will take an indef block until he can prove to everyone he can show he has whatever problem under control & stops this cycling. Because next time he returns this drama just going to happen again, only to someone else. (But I infer we are agreed about that.) -- llywrch (talk) 17:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi llywrch, and thanks for your characteristically thoughtful contribs at ANI. I agree entirely about the IBAN being inadequate: for my own records, I summarised my own thoughts in a post here on my atlk, but promptly archived it lest it appear as gravedancing or gloating.

The indef block has already been tried, and lasted three years. I was surprised that nobody at ANI suggested reinstating it, but there we are.

Like you, I am pretty sure that he will be back, and that he will find a new target, possibly picked from the ANI participants. I am relieved that if I am the target, it can be dealt with quickly ... but if it's someone else, then we will have another long ANI drama. I am horrified by how much community energy is wasted on situations like this. A rapid return to the 2016–19 indef-block would have been less bruising for Chris, and less of a timesink for everyone else. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Indef has been tried before, and quite apart from it obviously not changing his behaviour towards other editors (if anything he's got worse) he's shewn an almost gleeful willingness to evade blocks. I hope this time he actually does stay away, Misplaced Pages is clearly not good for him, and he's not good for Misplaced Pages. I fully expect to have this post thrown back in my face by him at some point. Anyway, hopefully BHG will get some respite now from his entirely unjustified bullying of her, triggered solely by her decency in coming to my defence. DuncanHill (talk) 19:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @DuncanHill. I agree with all of that ... including your fear that your words will be thrown back at you. But I think that Misplaced Pages is clearly not good for him, and he's not good for Misplaced Pages sums it all up very well. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, my guess is the only reason no one suggested an indef or permanent ban is that there are few who know his entire story; they've only seen how he's behaved over the last few years. Despite what outsiders think, we Wikipedians are reluctant to ban people unless we are very familiar with them. (I was trying to nudge the thread towards such a ban, but I came upon it late at night when I should have been in bed & only had time to type a short & hasty message. Had I more time, I would have explicitly stated that was the appropriate action.) -- llywrch (talk) 20:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I was trying to drop a few hints without dragging the whole sorry saga up when I mentioned his numerous previous retirements. And of course those of us who do know his past behaviour are disinclined to spend hours digging out all the old diffs, because we have so many things we'd rather do, are sick and tired of the inevitable "see you've got a grudge" accusations, and not least don't want to revisit times that were hurtful to ourselves. Above all it's so exhausting. If/when he does return I think we should insist all his old accounts are redirected to his latest one, and he should have to acknowledge them all on his current userpage. DuncanHill (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Again, DuncanHill, I agree with all of that. It is exhausting and it is hurtful, and it is exacerbated by the editors who who turn on Chris's victims. In your case it was some of the usual Aussie crew; in my case it was a newish editor who decided that the most wicked thing was to describe what was actually happening.

To avoid, the problem that llywrch describes of chris's toxc history being unknown, any return should be accompanied not just by listing his previous accounts, but also by listing his long history of misconduct, including the discussions which led to his 3-year block, his socking while blocked, his hounding of Duncan, his multi-venue campaign of trolling me, etc. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, my guess is the only reason no one suggested an indef or permanent ban is that there are few who know his entire story. I only found his unblock request and the AN poll from a year ago yesterday (I was on a bit of a wikibreak at the time it occurred). Had I known of all that, I would have suggested an indef or CBAN. As it is, if he comes back and starts up again, there's more than enough evidence (including deleted/wiped evidence) to take to ArbCom if the community doesn't put a stop to it. Softlavender (talk) 05:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @Softlavender. You did great work at ANI, for which I am indebted to you.

I think we do have a bit of a systemic problem here: the failure to keep a log of Chis's previous dramas, exacerbated by his account-hopping. Hopefully enough material was collated and linked at the discussion which led to the IBAN, so that any future reviews of his conduct start off better-informed. But it's now very hard to defend his 2019 unblocking as having worked out as hoped, and I hope that when he resumes his mischief the community will recognise that he has used up the WP:ROPE which was offered to him. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

This might not be a wise decision, but I made a log of his usernames here, which ought to be accessible unless that draft is oversighted. Just to save time researching some of his behavior in case it is needed. For balance, I also included a link to the Signpost article from 2005 about his first departure. (Despite everything, he was once a model Wikipedian who fell from grace as have a number of now-departed contributors.) In any case, I'll stop my discussion of his behavior with this. -- llywrch (talk) 06:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@llywrch, I really hope that note will be seen as the constructive move that it is.

I had not seen Misplaced Pages:Wikipedia_Signpost/2005-03-21/Top_admin_leaves, or even been aware that he was once an admin. The contrast between the admin described there and and nasty troll seen over the last few years could hardly be greater ... especially since the troll shows abysmal grasp of process and policy. Fifteen years is a long time. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

This nasty troll who even hides behind excuses of PTSD for his disgusting behaviour was 80% responsible for me being desysoped for researching his murky past. 10% was due to the lies and gaslighting by a sitting arb, the rest was due to the few remaining arbs left after most of the others had recused themselves. They all refused to fully examine the fake claims made by the rest of the trolls, (some of whom have since even exercised a RTV under a cloud) and jumped at prima facie evidence to get rid of yet another admin. Unlike you BHG, who has also suffered more than enough, I just don't have the energy to continue with this circus of never ending drama called Misplaced Pages, but I'll certainly be back to support a ban the next time he starts his antics - if I get to hear of it in time. (FYI Llywrch, Softlavender). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Great to hear from you, @Kudpung, and thanks for that background. I hadn't followed the details of your ordeal at Arbcom, but given my own bitter experience I am sadly unsurprised that the current committee screwed up so badly. The sheer amount of damage done by this nasty troll is appalling, and I dearly wish I could be shocked that Arbcom effectively backed the troll.

I eventually decided to stay on for now, but I remain very disillusioned about Misplaced Pages. I cannot in good conscience ask you to return to such a dysfunctional environment, but I do miss you ... and when Chris.sherlock's disruption resumes (it's only a matter of when, not if) I will try remember to alert you.

Best wishes, --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity got the better of me and I've located and read that ANI case. Absolute classic Chris.sherlock. Difference is, he can't get you desysoped with his trolling and gaslighting because you are already, but neither of us can do much about a corrupt Arbcom who allows people like him to troll to their heart's content with impunity, while they callously get rid of (or drive away) genuinely dedicated Wikipedians for whom appeals are totally ruled out. I doubt that the upcoming ACE will change much of the current environment but I'll probably come out of retirement to kick up some dust there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

That's in a nutshell, @Kudpung. All very nasty.

I will stock up on popcorn for the Arbcom elections. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:43, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Arbcom in the past have been made well aware of the sort of emotional abuse Chris engages in, at least one current Arb was an Arb then. He conveniently didn't remember the previous communication when asked in April, despite having been extremely involved in giving Chris a free pass to escape a case - one which Chris promptly abused by returning both anonymously and with new accounts. "Lies and gaslighting" sums up his AND his enablers' behaviour very well. I find the whole thing incredibly draining and demoralising, it has certainly impacted my wellbeing at times. The one glimmer of hope is that he really does seem to have run out of enablers this time. DuncanHill (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, I think Mr Sherlock has run out of rope. Up to now he's been relying on his once sterling reputation to get his way, which has not only passed its expiration date but now has tarnished. When he returns, unless he can behave as a responsible Wikipedian is expected too it won't end well for him. (Not a threat or promise, just a prediction.) -- llywrch (talk) 20:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

@llywrch, I hope you are right! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for fixing my article, it helped a lot, and BTW, I copied my sandbox into an actual page, so if you are going to make future edits, please don’t do them on the sandbox, because it won’t be seen. Also, if you will respond, please do it on the new page, if possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Puffy 5312 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The new page I mentioned is called The Invention of the Windmill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Puffy 5312 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, 'Mr. Puffy 5312.

The edit which I made was solely related to the page being a sandboxed draft. I have no cause to visit the article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:12, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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Draft article: Patrick McGrath (Irish Republican)

Hi BHG Im pretty new to creating articles. I submitted a short one on Paddy McGrath back in July 2020 and I am awaiting some type of notification. When you get a moment can you please take a look the article and let me know if it meets standard etc? Thanks for any help you might offer.

I did get one article approved - Thomas Harte (Irish Republican) - he was executed with McGrath and Id like to link the two articles together.

Since the article is awaiting approval/rejection I don't know how to include a link here but I've cut/pasted the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Patrick_McGrath_(Irish_Republican)

Again, thanks Palisades1 (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Palisades1

It's great to see editors creating articles on Irish topics. I see this has been awaiting review since July, which is a long time ... so I will review this one now.

Best wishes, --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

AWB removal of template on category page

Hello, in this AWB edit you removed the Template:2020 in space from the page. Please make sure your AWB edits don't remove such templates from category pages (in most cases at least).

Thanks. --Prototyperspective (talk) 14:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Prototyperspective

That was intentional. A navbox like that belongs on articles, where it appears at the bottom of the page. Placing it on a category page is an impediment to navigation, because it appears above the listing of the category's content.

Please do not place such templates on category pages. Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Paddy McGrath article

Thanks very much for looking at the article and pointing me to the Irish Times story. I wish Id seen that article before I submitted the McGrath article! Im working on adding some wording to make the article more significant, I will resubmit it when I do that.

One question: I'm interested in the six IRA men executed during "the Emergency". Do you think one page on the executed IRA men from 1939-40 would be better than individual pages? A page on all six could highlight some of the existing issues with the neutral government, the Republican movement etc while providing the biographical info on the executed men.

Again, thanks. Palisades1 (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oxford University Men's Basketball article

Hi there BrownHairedGirl. You've helped me out with a couple of pages I've created. I was wondering if you knew why the page on Oxford University Men's Basketball doesn't come up on a google search. Have I done something wrong?

Thanks for your contributions . User:Hoopshistory HoopsHistory (talk) 20:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi HoopsHistory

It helps a lot if you include a wikilink to the page you are talking about, in this case Oxford University Men's Basketball.

I see that indeed Google doesn't list it: https://www.google.ie/search?q=%22Oxford+University+Men%27s+Basketball%22+wikipedia&pws=0

That's almost certainly because it almost WP:Orphaned. With more links to it from other articles, Google is more likely to pick it up. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Pia Bajpiee

Please talk before editing Pia bajpiee page, Her DOB is wrong in this external link,lots of websites have put 6 jan 1989 but if you check her social media statement she alway denying that,her birth day is 22 December 1993.she is not residence of Delhi,she is from etawah and IMDB has put some other girl photos as her. Mahayadav (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey Pia bajpiee IMDB is full of wrong pics,it’s not her Mahayadav (talk) 00:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

IMDB link I was editing coz it’s using some other girl pics Mahayadav (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Mahayadav:

See the editnotice on this page asking yoy to link to the article. In this case, it's Pia Bajpiee.
One message is enough. Stop repeating yourself.
See WP:OWN. Nobody needs to ask your permission to edit a page.
IMDB is widely linked to from en.wp articles. It is not a WP:Reliable source, and is not being used as source.
Social media is not a reliable source. See WP:SELFPUB

Hope this helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:41, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey I agree but Pia has said in all the interviews and clarified every. Where that 6 jan 1989 is not her b’day,even some other website wish her in November as well.her twitter/fb/insta all mentioned 22dec 1993.any way I will update you on 22nd when she will celebrate her b’day..thank you for support Mahayadav (talk) 00:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mahayadav: Again, IMDB is not being used as a source. If you disagree with what has been published on IMDB, then go to IMBD and ask them to correct it.

And, no please do not update me about her birthday. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

And I Am sorry message got repeated by mistake,I am new here so.really sorry. Mahayadav (talk) 00:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

You understood me wrong,I am not saying that you need my permission before editing,all I want wiki page to be authentic as much as possible,I am Pia’s fan since last 8 years so I know things about her.thanks.have a great day Mahayadav (talk) 00:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I know you are new here. I have posted a welcome msg on your talk.

Now, please just slow down and learn more about how Misplaced Pages works ... and please stop messaging me.

This is an encyclopedia, not a fan club. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

You seem to be the right person to judge this in light of past issues

WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Hmains_and_human_rights_categories. E Eng 07:48, 5 October 2020 (UTC)