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My press

You made the news. Just a passing mention mind, no indepth coverage yet. ;) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and again here (at the bottom). Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, and here it is again in a separate story about the same issue. Think I'm notable yet? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 00:22, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Multiple mentions in a Slate (magazine) article. Pretty good and accurate article actually. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

ANI Notification (historic)

This is to notify you that I have opened a complaint about your behavior in the Victoria Pynchon matter here:

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive757#Complaint About Editors' Behavior In Victoria Pynchon Deletion Discussion

Pernoctus (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I modified the link for the record when the discussion was archived. --MelanieN (talk) 15:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

AN Notification (historic)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Misplaced Pages editor paid to protect the page "John Ducas". Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Recent RfCs on US city names

A barnstar for you!

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		you have made some wikipedia article proctected from vandalism. Thanks and continue this great work of yours. This my appreciation to you effort . Thank you Tbiw (talk) 20:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Z147

Thanks for the barnstar. There has been a lot of need for protection lately. :-( -- MelanieN (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Central Park Five (opera)

On 2 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Central Park Five (opera), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Pulitzer Prize–winning opera The Central Park Five includes a role for Donald Trump? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Central Park Five (opera). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Central Park Five (opera)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. With a Misplaced Pages account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting Preferences → Editing → Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary. Thanks! Love of Corey (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

LOL! You're kidding, right? Yes, I am familiar with the concept of edit summaries. 0;-D I pretty much always use them when editing articles. I usually don't at talk pages. Call it a quirk. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @Love of Corey: If this is intended to be humorous, please include a smiley or something.

• MelanieN is not only a very experienced editor, but an admin to boot. I don't think she needs any help understanding the importance of edit summaries, or how to create them.
• Edit summaries are far less important in talk spaces, and often omitted there by many editors.
• Apparently you're one of those many editors. Of your four edits to that page, none of them had an edit summary. Call me puzzled. ―Mandruss ☎ 04:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Aww, come on, Mandruss, I got a kick out of it. But, Love of Corey, I see that you have just spammed canned messages like this onto the talk pages of 15 or 20 experienced users. Here, for example, you decided to post this helpful advice to someone who has been here for 10 years and has 100,000 edits. You might want to be a little more selective in who you post canned advice to; see Misplaced Pages:Don't template the regulars. Also, in most of those advice-edits your edit summary was an unhelpful “new section”. Maybe you should take your own advice? -- MelanieN (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 2020 dismissal of inspectors general

On 5 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2020 dismissal of inspectors general, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that U.S. president Donald Trump dismissed five inspectors general in the space of six weeks? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2020 dismissal of inspectors general. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 2020 dismissal of inspectors general), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

RE: Up (2009 film)

Arbitration has been requested and your conduct here will be reviewed WokeHuke (talk) 20:56, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Good luck with that, WokeHuke. In any case, I'm seeing no such thing having been submitted. In any case, such a request would be to your detriment, I challenge. Regardless of any of that, you should tone down the aspersions (), because that is not on. El_C 21:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I made no aspersions, and the arbitration request has been submitted WokeHuke (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I see no such request having been submitted, still. You accused Melanie of acting in an uncivil manner, without any evidence whatsoever, which is an aspersion. El_C 22:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, El C, but let it go. He was outright insulting in his note to another user, and that may wind up getting added to his ledger, but I have no problem with what he has said to me. I am more concerned with the large amount of other people's time he is wasting here with his repetitious arguments. That is why I closed this "discussion". -- MelanieN (talk) 22:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I overstepped, Melanie. Note, however, that further disruption from WokeHuke is highly likely to result in sanctions. El_C 22:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

No problem; I just figure as long as we reply to him, he keeps on insisting, so let's not "feed" him by replying. I agree with you. I already warned him that he will be blocked from the article if he does it at the article again. If he continues to agitate about it in other places he is likely to be blocked, period. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

We can sometimes be too tolerant of trolls or loons around here, worried that they're simply good faith newbies. This isn't a good faith newbie, they're a crackpot of some kind. Blocked indef. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Like. El_C 22:42, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Move protection

I wanted to move protect the article Hong Kong national security law but I couldn't figure out how to do it. The article is due to appear on the main page as a DYK on 13/6 and it is desirable that it is stable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You need to tick the box with "unlock further protection options"...I have move protected for a week. Lectonar (talk) 07:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd

Melanie, would you consider closing the discussion at Talk:George_Floyd#Adding_Criminal_History_Section_to_Article after a reasonable time has elapsed to gain full discussion and consensus. It is a contentious topic, and at this point, probably needs an uninvolved admin to oversee the discussion as it is very contentious with a lot of editors who are passionate about including the content on both sides of the debate. Thanks in advance. Octoberwoodland (talk) 00:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I may have expressed an opinion on that subject myself at some point - although probably not in the current discussion. I'll take a look later when I have time; I don't right now. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Octoberwoodland, I see that I participated in an RfC discussion on the same subject at Talk:Killing of George Floyd, and even proposed a wording to be used. So I don't think I can consider myself uninvolved. Maybe I will come to the George Floyd article, which I have not been following, and contribute to the discussion, but I should probably not close it. Sorry. You might ask User:Neutrality, I don't think they have been part of that discussion. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I have done some edits on Floyd protest-related matters (although not that particular RfC), so I don't think I'm the best person to close this discussion. Neutrality 00:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd protests in Portland, Oregon.

I see that you are responsible for adding a specific line in the lede of the George Floyd matter, specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland,_Oregon&diff=prev&oldid=976722664 "One person was shot and killed in a clash between protesters and counter-protesters.". While perhaps at one very early point that may have seen to be approximately correct, I am challenging that because I believe it misrepresents what actually happened that day. In large part, this was because the early cites have apparently been misrepresented. I have placed the initial part of my argument on that Talk page. The facts indicate that Aaron Danielson was NOT killed "in a clash between protestors and counter-protestors". The video evidence clearly shows that there was no "clash" going on in the minutes leading up to Danielson's murder by Reinoehl. Someone has included three cites, but I think they also misrepresent what actually happened. The phrasing as it currently exists falsely implies that a "clash" caused Danielson's death, when in fact a murder did that. Danielson didn't intentionally, or even knowingly participate in any "clash", he was simply the victim of two sudden gunshots by Reinoehl, who had been stalking him in the minutes leading to the shooting. This is clearly shown on the two videos which are commonly available. Unless we take the position that ALL murders become "clashes", to refer to an intentional, premeditated murder as a "clash" misleads the reader as to what actually happened. Worse, the existing wording misleadingly claims that other people were involved in the murder, "in a clash between between protestors and counter-protestors", when in fact there is no indication that anyone other than Reinoehl was aware that Danielson was soon going to be murdered, and Reinoehl was going to do it. Aeroview854 (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Aeroview854. I see that you have explained this theory on the talk pages of the two related articles. Good, that is the place to discuss it - not here. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I am asking you to concede on the Talk page that the current wording in the lede of the main article is highly misleading, and needs to be changed. I notice that the wording of the 'Note 7' cited states: "Portland police tried to determine Sunday whether the shooting was related to clashes between Trump supporters..." Clearly, this wording is far from supporting the text in the article which states: "One person was shot and killed in a clash between protesters and counter-protesters.". And obviously, the murder of Aaron Danielson by Michael Reinoehl did not involve "protesters" (plural) and "counter-protestors" (also plural). Videos clearly show that no one else nearby was "clashing", or even aware that Reinoehl intended to murder Danielson. Notice that this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4A7n-mG-hA&t=51s is dated as having been uploaded Sept 4, 2020. Why is it well over a month later and this major misrepresentation hasn't been corrected? Aeroview854 (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I have replied at the talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:06, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Renato Peixe

Hi,

I think this needs some input from someone who's good at explaining things. There is an editor who has chosen to edit war over a BLPPROD tag, engage in Misplaced Pages:IDIDNTHEARTHAT behaviour (explained to him on his talk page, but he continues to simply insist that he is right and I'm wrong without actually explaining why), and I daresay that this edit summary is dangerously close to a personal attack. I think this'll just end in tears if an admin doesn't intervene. Adam9007 (talk) 19:43, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I posted a note on their talk page. I see that another user has also taken up the cause. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, Horcoff is the article's creator and has added a couple of sources, which should put that particular matter to rest. But there's still the issue of the other editor's civility. Adam9007 (talk) 20:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

A little thing like "get a dictionary" is pretty mild as Misplaced Pages comments go. And Horcoff already responded "No need to be rude." My advice: ignore it. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I wish I could; it's not exactly a secret that few things vex me more than an ignorant editor(s) reading the riot act to me. I shouldn't let it get to me, but every time something like it happens I'm worried that other ignorant editors will join in. Also annoying is WP:3RR queering my pitch in such situations. Adam9007 (talk) 03:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editor

Hi,

I thought about taking this to ANI, but I'm not sure it's urgent enough. MarqReg has been edit-warring on McKenzie method, and following a discussion at Talk:McKenzie_method#Redaction_section_"Effectiveness", resorted to making personal attacks. I warned him, but this led to more nonsense, and I frankly have no idea what they're talking about here (I didn't realise I had the power to remove revisions from a page's history....). But this definitely needs looking into by someone uninvolved, if you'd be willing to? Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Adam9007! Sorry for the delay, I haven't been online much the last couple of days. I'll try to take a look at this situation later today. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I see the account has already been blocked. Adam9007 (talk) 15:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, that settles that then! As the Staples office supply company says, "That was easy!" -- MelanieN (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Topic ban

Quick question for you or any talk page stalker: is there an easy way to see if a specific editor has been topic-banned from any page? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I wish I knew; I've had trouble finding that kind of information myself. They should have been notified on their talk page, so you could try searching the talk page archives for "topic ban". -- MelanieN (talk) 20:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Seems like something that should be in the 'block log' (because it's a block of sorts). Maybe someone can implement that change. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Bans are different from blocks. Both should be in the talk page history. A "partial block" would be in the person's block log but a topic ban wouldn't. Keep in mind that a topic ban might have been imposed before the "partial block" option was implemented. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If the TBan is from a particular page, the user would likely be blocked from editing that page. Adam9007 (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans: If the topic ban is an AE discretionary sanction, it would be logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration enforcement log (by year and topic/case). Neutrality 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

"Nijiro Tokuda" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Nijiro Tokuda. The discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 7#Nijiro Tokuda until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Newshunter12 (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Christa Membrandt deletion?

I do not understand how is Christa Membrandt (Christa Maatjens) a hoax? She was a known painter and feminist conceptual artist from Dordrecht and who had official membership in art organizations there. Her name was coined from Membrane and Rembrandt references in her work, but she is far from fictional. Please re-install her page.(talk) 06:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zblace (talk • contribs)

(talk page stalker)@Zblace: I'm another administrator and I can see the deleted text, but to be honest I don't think there's anything salvageable from there, and a quick search for news sources (such as an obituary in de Volkskrant or similar) doesn't turn up anything. Could you provide some sources of information that prove this is a worthwhile subject for this encyclopedia? Ritchie333 12:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Zblace. I did do a Google search before deleting the article, and I found nothing but Misplaced Pages mirrors. In other words, this Misplaced Pages article was the only information about her I could find on the internet. We do need confirmation from reliable sources in order to have an article about her. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I am no expert on her work but she is known artist and we collaborated in community project back in 2009-2010 - http://recycle-x.patchingzone.net/ her professional references are also locally stored in Dutch (I can not speak)

https://www.kunstveiling.nl/items/etschrista-maatjens/57649 https://beeldbank.regionaalarchiefdordrecht.nl/search/detail/id/6277FD2DA74611E7A56C00163E535DC5/showbrowse https://beeldbank.regionaalarchiefdordrecht.nl/search/detail/id/0C57614AB8185AD8FBB50630D40BA7D9/showbrowse Zblace (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. That shows that there are in fact some paintings by her. That's not enough for an article - we would need written information about her, an actual biography. But if you want to try to create an article, with sources, you could do so here: Draft:Christa Membrandt. Or I could recreate the article for you in your own userspace: User:Zblace/Christa Membrandt - that's called userfying - and you could try to expand and source it. Because that is a not in the main encyclopedia, it will not be speedy-deleted; that will give you time to see if you can create a proper biography of her, with sources. When you think you have enough for an article and before you move it to mainspace, please see WP:NARTIST. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind offer (I am aware of bio writing practices), but I think I only started that article many years ago and most of the contributions came from others (Dutch speakers), so I am not the best person to do this well... If you permanently deleted edit history of page and saved only the content but not the meta info it is not so useful. :-/ Can you get it all info and meta data on revisions and contributors? Zblace (talk) 17:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, if I restore it the history will be restored too. I will restore it to draft space. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, it's at Draft:Christa Membrandt. I restored the talk page too. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Please see the important comments at User talk:Vexations. They believe that the biographical information in this draft is actually about someone else. All the more reason why there will have to be good written sources before this can become an article. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for giving access to this version. As you can see well article was only started by me as I wanted to do this towards an anniversary of a death of an artist I knew. Most of the content of was not edited by me. I will try to contact some people that knew of her work better and speak Dutch. Zblace (talk) 05:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Drmies: kan Nederlands spreken. Ritchie333 08:05, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, and I saw that one of those links says one of her etchings was sold for ten Euros? That does not point toward notability--and neither does the fact that the only hits we get are from a deep search. The RKD entry exists, I imagine, because some of her works ended up in the Kunstuitleen, but again, that only proves that they exist. Drmies (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Have no ideas of her student/early etching work *(maybe it was with many copies), I know her as painter and inter-media artist. She exhibited in Hungary year before her death (there are multiple videos from opening, but in Hungarian) and I know she did important work on the topic of cancer (she was survivor) and that was shown internationally. Pictura.NL should have more info on her as former member, but I am not sure if it is online. Zblace (talk) 16:59, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Zblace, but unfortunately your personal knowledge of her doesn't give us anything we can use in the article - per WP:OR. We can only used published sources.

Drmies, thanks for checking out the links; did you look at this one, which appears to be an obituary? Of the various links, that seems to be the only substantive one actually ABOUT her. Anything usable there? I think I see a reference to the Hungarian exhibit that Zblace mentions, and some commentary about how she integrated her art with her cancer experience. That could be added to the article, but it probably wouldn't help get it into mainspace; one source is not enough for notability. Well, we can't PROD it because it is a draft, and I don't see any speedy criterion it falls under, so I guess we just have to leave it until it becomes an abandoned draft. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

There is some more info in WikiData entry https://www.wikidata.org/Q18347496 and here is the reference to last solo exhibition https://mamusociety.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/artsurvival/ Zblace (talk) 04:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Zblace, instead of putting these things here on my talk page, you might want to add them to the draft. Having more facts and more references in the draft is the only thing that will save the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

From what I know of EN Misplaced Pages, Wordpress and similar blogging platforms can not be counted as sources - no? Zblace (talk) 05:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

You can't use Wikidata, just as you can't use Misplaced Pages, as a source - but you can look at what the Wikidata entry cites as sources and possibly use them. The Wordpress thing looks more like a web page than a blog; I wouldn't cite it for factual information about her, since it's self-published, but I think it could be used as evidence for the Art = Survival exhibit - location, dates, etc. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:08, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Eduard Enslin

I have worked on the draft of Eduard Enslin which will link from this species account Tenthredo mioceras. Will you now move it to Eduard Enslin. I really am most grateful for your help.This one foxed me.PS Another wikipedian always tidies my texts. Very best regards and thanks again Notafly (talk) 16:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Notafly. I am not a new article reviewer so I would prefer you submit the article through the regular review process. I have added a tag to the article to make that possible. But first, a suggestion: see if you can make in-line reference citations to some of the facts in the article, such as his birth and death dates - rather than simply listing the references at the bottom without indicating what they show. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I fixed the in-line references adding GDN for the dates.The other references give the same info except for the very detailed research gate paper I see there is a seven week wait and I doubt many other changes will be required.I would be indebted to you to make the move now partly because of the other language versions and authority control.Very few of my many entomologist biographies have caused problems and the readers are mostly entomologists as I am myself.Many have been translated. If any changes the reviewer requires seem necessary I will make them.Once again many thanks and best regards Notafly (talk) 20:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, I moved the locations of the reference citations a little, so that they are with what they support, and I think it is probably OK. I will go ahead and move it to mainspace. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, done. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Marvellous.Many thanks and best regards Sincerely Notafly (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

SchreiberBike has now copyedited this article and it is much improved.best regardsNotafly (talk) 20:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Good, thanks for letting me know. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

PP for Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands

You protected this page a few days ago, but a bot just removed the template. I think it would be good to keep protection on here as it is a repeat target for POV drive-by additions and subtractions. HouseOfChange (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, HouseOfChange. I gave it short term semi-protection, 4 days, because of that recent spurt of vandalism. There is a recurrent pattern of vandalism at that article, often including BLP violations, but not frequent enough to justify semi-protection. So I have given it Pending Change protection for 6 months. If there gets to be another burst of repeated vandalism, so bad that PC protection can't keep up with it, let me know. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Hey, MelanieN. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! Have a great day! ~SS49~ {talk} 08:34, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

• Have some cake 🍰 on me! --qedk (t 愛 c) 09:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU 10:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade protection of Lake Piru

Thanks for protecting Lake Piru, but I noticed you only semi-protected it, which doesn't solve the problem. I requested full protection because the cycle of adding and removing is also being done by longstanding, i.e. autoconfirmed, editors. The issue has continued after the protection, as the history shows, so can you implement the full protection now. Kingsif (talk) 01:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kingsif, and thanks for the note. I deliberately left the article open for editing by autoconfirmed editors. The question of whether to say something about Naya Rivera is an editorial decision; it's not something for an administrator to impose. It should be decided by the users at the article, and if there is disagreement it should be discussed at the talk page - where up to now there has been no discussion. The most recent addition - the only edit on the subject since I added protection - is well sourced, neutral, and still in the article; I don't see any removal of it or edit warring over it. The edit warring was largely being done by IPs, so that part of it has stopped. There was also a problem over the past few days with IPs adding copyrighted material about other drownings, but that was stopped by semi-protection and has now been repaired by Diannaa. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

RFPP and backlog

Hi, with regard to this edit, what is your definition of a backlog? I think the bot is programmed for 15 unanswered requests. Personally I look at the time as well as the number but there are currently 16 requests going back over 18 hours unanswered which seems like a backlog in my opinion. I completely get that it is subjective and utterly not a big deal but I was wondering where you see the definition being? Either way, I've used {{noadminbacklog}} rather than removing it entirely as it can upset the bot. Cheers, Woody (talk) 20:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and the eduction, Woody. I can see I should just leave that tag alone. But I am aware that the bot is often very wrong about how many "unanswered requests" there are. In this case, I now see that the bot went from reporting 18 unanswered requests, to 2, and back to 18 in the space of half an hour! The first thing I always look at before patrolling RFPP is the page history, to see there is another admin actively patrolling; if there is, I go away and do something else. In that case I looked at the history and saw this edit summary by the bot, saying two pending requests. I didn't notice that the backlog tag had been restored by you, and I figured the bot was just messed up - noting as well that there was another admin (you) actively patrolling. (Now there are three.) But I'll just ignore that template from now on. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I completely understand about the bot, I'm often confused about it's definition of "pending requests". I noticed the 18 to 2 discrepancy when I was working through them: It was caused by someone changing the section header (the bot then couldn't see that section). I didn't want to go contradict you and restore the tag so I added the "no admin backlog" one but the bot restored it anyway when the section header was fixed. Either way, the backlog got sorted in the end (until the next time...) Cheers, Woody (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

india

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mohun_Bagan_A.C.#Merge_proposal

some users still in edit war please ban and if wont unlock, remove players section from mohun bagan page, club made new website atkmb for football section so is wiki page, two same squads cant play for both (mb is multisports without football sub page)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/I-League

here please remove mohun bagan from teams, maps and coaches — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.31.202 (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

ANI

Just a quick note to say that while I pinged you at an ANI discussion, I know I didn't officially notify you on your page. You were not a subject of the discussion, and I assumed that the ping would be enough for you to determine whether or not you wished to comment. If I erred in not leaving a notice, I apologize. Grandpallama (talk) 19:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem; you were under no obligation to notify me. I appreciated the ping. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Submission

Please help me to submit my articles Draft:Muhammad Shafi'u Abdullahi and Draft:Aminu Ladan Sherehu Sadeeqzaria (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Sadeeqzaria. I see that someone has added the necessary template to your drafts. You can now submit the drafts for review. A regular page reviewer will either publish them, or tell you what needs to be done to improve them. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank Sadeeqzaria (talk) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

POV & Sally Hemings

w/r/t the TJ paternity issue & Sally Hemings, I respectfully ask you to review this and reflect. https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/

Sbelknap (talk) 17:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sbelknap, and thanks for the link to the essay about whether Misplaced Pages is biased. I see that in the very first paragraph he dismisses the practice of “avoiding false balance” as an “utterly bankrupt canard” which is “directly contradictory to the original neutrality policy.” He apparently he believes that all viewpoints, whether supported by a mountain of evidence or proposed by a few crackpots, should get equal treatment in a “neutral” encyclopedia. That would certainly be "false balance", but he argues that is what we should do and we are wrong to "avoid" it. Sorry, but no encyclopedia could follow that logic and maintain its credibility. But I kept reading. I got to the second paragraph, which says the Obama article is unfair because, among other reasons, it does not report on “the developing “Obamagate story in which Obama was personally involved in surveilling Donald Trump”. "Obamagate" has been the catchall title for various accusations against Obama, but if the author is referring to this, there was never any evidence for the claim of such surveillance and it has been repeatedly debunked. So I realized this writer was not someone whose arguments should be taken seriously. I later found the author complaining that it’s “bias” if Christians’ religious beliefs are not asserted as true in Misplaced Pages’s voice, and that articles which are “biased in favor of science” should still be regarded as biased. He is free to say and believe all of this; it’s his blog, after all; but his opinions are not going to change Misplaced Pages’s commitment to fact. So, regarding the Sally Hemings article: Some people do deny that Jefferson was the father. Their disagreement is mentioned in the article, as it should be, and sources are provided for readers to seek out more information, but their minority arguments are not laid out in detail. The article gives its main treatment to the evidence and the suitably hedged conclusion which most scholars have accepted. That’s balance. That’s neutrality. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Are you aware who Larry Sanger is? In your response to his blog post, you engage in mind reading. After reading your comment, I wondered if I had mistakenly linked to the wrong essay, so I followed that link, read it again, and the apparent disparity between your summary and the actual article was stunning. Sanger's view is much more nuanced than your summary. Perhaps read it again with a more open mind and less mind-reading? Sbelknap (talk) 20:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes. He apparently disagreed with Misplaced Pages’s founding principle of “neutral point of view” from the get-go, he left after barely a year, and he has been criticizing Misplaced Pages ever since. He says Misplaced Pages is “broken beyond repair” and frequently unreliable. I gather, from his Wikiedia article, his issue was that he wanted a formal review process of content with more reliance on “experts”. But that doesn’t seem to be his complaint in the current essay; in this article he’s mostly complaining that we do not give enough coverage, in Misplaced Pages’s voice, to what appear to be his political views. He’s entitled to his opinion and philosophy, and he is welcome to apply it at all the other ‘pedias he has worked on. IMO the situation here is well summed up by this quote: “The problem with Misplaced Pages is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work.” Anyhow, thanks for the link, I read it, and it does not change my belief that we have the right balance at the Sally Hemings article. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Q.E.D. Sbelknap (talk) 14:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Sbelknap, lots of us are very familiar with Sanger. One of the crowning ironies is that with Citizendium, a project he intended as proof that Misplaced Pages would be more reliable if it had expert review, he ended up proving the exact opposite, with great swathes of credulous content written by homeopaths, chiropractors and other grifters.

The reason Misplaced Pages is reliable and Citizendium is not, is that we don't promote the massive "scandals" of the Obama presidency (the mustard, the tan suit, thge latte salute and of course the ultimate scandal, Presiding While Black). Guy (help!) 13:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is certainly not reliable regarding the paternity of Sally Hemings children. The language used throughout is vague and misleading. The K2 Y chromosome haplotype is *not* unique to Thomas Jefferson, or even to the Jefferson line. A group of distinguished historians reviewed the available information and formed a consensus exactly the opposite of what is stated in this article. The Commission report is listed in the references and in a footnote, but the content of that report is not covered in the article in any meaningful way. Sbelknap (talk) 14:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

What additional information is there since the Commission report? If you know of some, please provide a source. Thanks. Sbelknap (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Sbelknap, We report that most scholars consider it was Jefferson, but others disagree. We don't reflect motivated reasoning as fact, so we do not elevate the views of those who don't want it to be true over those whose study of the facts on the gorund leads them to conclude that it probably is. Guy (help!) 14:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

There is no cited source that supports the assertion that most scholars consider Jefferson to be the father of Hemings children. Instead, an error in the NY Times is cited. The scholars commission concluded that Jefferson was unlikely to be the father of Hemings' children. This information is hidden in a footnote. This article is simply wrong on this issue. Sbelknap (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editor in Asexuality

Hi,

I don't know if you've been watching my talk page, but there's an editor (AceRebel) who's been disruptive on Asexuality (including edit warring over a maintenance tag that was challenged). (S)he's insisting (without really explaining how) that the article is biased and "affiliated with AVEN", and therefore deserves to be demoted from GA status. Trying to get exactly what (s)he meant on Misplaced Pages:Good_article_reassessment/Asexuality/1 was like getting blood out of a stone; (s)he kept engaging in WP:IDHT behaviour. (S)he then reverted a legitimate closure of the GAR. (S)he has also read the riot act to myself and a few other editors (Crossroads, and now the GAR closer -sche), accusing us of being disruptive. I don't know is (s)he has an agenda, or if it's just plain incompetence. I'm not sure if this is ANI worthy yet (but it's certainly heading that way), but it definitely needs looking at by an admin who knows what they're doing. Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Adam9007, firstly my pronoun is They. If I'm disruptive then you should follow Misplaced Pages policies on disruptive editors to report me. At this moment you did none of the steps. According to examples of disruptive editing my actions do not constitute any disruptive editing yet. In fact instead of engaging in productive discussion with me you with apparently your friends who at this point apparently conspiring against me to prevent me challenging apparently biased content you created. Also, to divert attention from your own conspiracy, you trying to accuse me of conspiracy (in conspiracy there should be at least two people, BTW), to discredit me and stop challenging your biased and disruptive editing. You also do not allow time for me to respond to your statements and provide explanations (I'm alive person, I need to eat, sleep, work etc). Before I would be able to do so, we had to agree on other words definition I was using to get to the point, as your behavior was misleading claiming that what I'm saying is not correct. Therefore, I was forced by you to agree on definitions of the words I was using. You should give me a time. I was about to put my explanation, but -sche closed the reassessment breaching the rules of Good article Community reassessment. There is no rule of "speedy closer", which -sche claimed. Also, -sche is editor who is involved with topic of asexuality in general at least here. Therefore, IMO, they are involved editor. Also, according to Good article Community reassessment rules, reassessment could be closed When the discussion has concluded. Has discussion concluded? No. It's not even started yet, because of your misleading behavior and my attempts to stop it as I was looking to make sure we are "on the same page" with you on the definitions of words I was using in my rationale. In addition I have explained my agenda at the end of the rationale, therefore Adam9007 you are clearly misleading here. Also, you accusing me of "plain incompetence", but yourself have no any competence with Misplaced Pages policies on disruptive editors, which makes your accusation questionable. This being said, dear MelanieN if you will be looking for my additional response to allegations, or asking me for additional comments, I would like to invite you to give me 24 hours to respond if any responses needed or if you will be looking to punish me with block or ban before doing so, as at this point I'm pretty busy with other very important things too. Thank you. AceRebel talk 03:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Just wanted to say "thank you" to MelanieN and Adam9007 for writing up the case and getting things handled. Crossroads 02:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help in taking care of this. And to think, I simply logged off Misplaced Pages for the day after closing that GAR, and missed all the drama... 😂 -sche (talk) 02:20, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, now you can close it again. Or whatever has to be done to put it properly to bed. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh, never mind - User:Barkeep already put it to bed. Thanks! -- MelanieN (talk) 02:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Aunt Jemima and Nancy Green

Hi, just a friendly reminder that it's best to use existing ref name tags, rather than add another duplicate ref. Also, there are rather a lot of known errors in the recent NYTimes article. I've already told their corrections dept.

Depending on what dates you believe (as noted by NYT, they vary a lot), she was a slave who bore her first child possibly at the age of 8. She was born either Hayes or Hughes, and Green was not so much her husband as the man who fathered her children. As her main article recounts, "Local farmers from that area named Green raised tobacco, hay, cattle, and hogs." Left unsaid is it is highly unlikely that any of them were blacks (that is, the white Historical Society leaves it unsaid). Since it is not actually in a reference, we're not able to cite it.

When she was beyond childbearing age, she was sold off separately from her children to a rich man, Walker, and kept in a "wood frame shack" (still standing as of 2014) behind his "grand home on Main Street".

In particular, contra NYT, there's no evidence that Nancy Green "earned" her freedom. She apparently continued to serve the same master (Walker) in Kentucky after the Civil War, who took her to Chicago circa 1871-1872. It was not unusual in those times for a master to get an emancipated slave to sign an "indentured servitude" contract, later outlawed by the 13th Amendment. The census says she could neither read nor write. A lot of such folks never knew the contract was invalidated.

Other refs in her main article have details down to the street addresses, but we rarely put that much into wikipedia articles.

Also, the census and various articles record that she was not well paid for her work as promoter. Quaker has admitted they cannot find a contract in their archives. There's no evidence (so far) that she was paid anything at all. But again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so we're not able to cite it.

That is how she came to be buried in the pauper's section of the graveyard. There are pictures.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the information. I did notice that the NYT had a date wrong (for the Chicago Worlds Fair); that should have alerted me that their article was not to be trusted. I would object to your saying that Green was "not so much her husband as the father of her children"; that was not a real distinction in those days when slaves were not allowed to officially marry, so there is no reason to doubt that they considered themselves married. She took his last name, after all. Also, it is kind of irrelevant that the local farmers etc. named Green were white, because the last name Green would also have been applied to their slaves. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I was surprised at the number of errors in the newspaper of record. For example, NYT has the Jemima Higbee backstory that originated at the Fair, "created by" Young and Wyatt, unlikely as they'd have been 8 and 11 y-o respectively. In reality, they made ads circa 1910 using one of Green's successors. As to Green, because slaves often took the name of thier owner, there's no data indicating whether George Green was another slave or her owner. Or when she'd been sold. Only that she eventually became a "nanny and housekeeper" to the Walkers, not mentioning any husband or children, and no husband or children show up in the following censuses in either Kentucky or Illinois. No idea where "30 years of marriage" came from, I don't remember it in any other source.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Seeking your advice

I was wondering whether the statement I added to User talk:Crboyer's talk page was either correct or advisable. The IP in question, who I see has been blocked for 60 hours, was only expanding a plot section, so the matter was really a content dispute rather than vandalism in the first place. What do you think? Would I be better advised just to let the matter slide? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Cwmhiraeth. I might have reacted like you, but I see there is more to the story. That IP has now been partially or fully blocked by three different admins. Although their edits at Sparkster look fairly harmless to you and me, they were reverted again by a different person after Crboyer stopped doing it. Their insistence on making those edits over and over was disruptive; so was the fact that they were doing it at more than one article; so is their erasure of multiple warnings by multiple people from their user talk page. Your edit war warning to Crboyer was appropriate, but you might want to remove the comment "you should have interacted with him on his talk page" - since Crboyer did in fact make five separate comments or warnings on his talk page, about two different articles, all of which were reverted by the IP. I guess the moral here is: before commenting on someone's talk page edit, review the history of the talk page. We tend to forget that an empty talk page doesn't necessarily mean that no one has tried to talk to the person; it may just mean that stuff has been removed. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Oh, and I see that Crboyer also did "report the user to the appropriate noticeboard". Too late to change anything you said since Crboyer has replied, but their reply is mild and content-focused so everything is OK. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I did look at the history of the IP's talk page but I didn't realise Crboyer had actually reported him. I don't want to discourage anyone from fighting vandalism, but there are better ways of doing it than repeatedly reverting someone an excessive number of times. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Good reply to him. All good. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

People of Assam

@MelanieN:@Chaipau: Can you even justify the reason for putting the semi-protected tag?? How is it sock-puppetry?? Instead of having a healthy discussion in the talk page, you accuse of sock-puppetry on someone who has added some sourced content which counters your POV. Is this what admins are there for?2409:4065:E1C:A207:3059:7A18:8F79:9C0F (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I am glad to see you want to have "a healthy discussion at the talk page". I see that you have posted there, and that's good, but you offered no evidence (sources) for your assertions. The talk page is the place where you will should work out what belongs in the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Kindly check the section on Tibeto-Burman. It is clearly sourced there. I quote, "It is expected that the Tibeto-Burman immigrants were not as numerous as the indigenous Austroasiatic population, and the replacement was of languages and not peoples". See source: (https://en.wikipedia.org/People_of_Assam#cite_note-25) Doesn't that mean the same as I added("Majority of the Austro-asiatic speakers later transitioned to the Tibeto-Burman linguistic group as explained in the later section"). You should also know that there are presently no Austro-asiatic speaking groups in Assam. There are just two groups Khasi, Jaintia in Meghalaya which have very less population compared to the Bodo-Garo group (originally Austro-asiatic speakers).2409:4065:E1C:A207:3059:7A18:8F79:9C0F (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@MelanieN: As I have observed in previous edits too, these two users Chaipau and Austronesier have often misused their user rights and have reverted other constructive edits as well. One of the previous discussions in the talk page shows how both the users ganged up against another unregistered IP and prevented him without listening to the valid argument he/she was making. They made similar accusations of being a sock-puppet.2409:4065:E1C:A207:3059:7A18:8F79:9C0F (talk) 17:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Jalia Kaibarta

@MelanieN: Check how this user @Chaipau: is trying to add unsourced data.(https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Jalia_Kaibarta&diff=969832699&oldid=969830196) When I removed it stating that there is no source, he is accusing of WP:BE. I am sure that if I go on with this undo, he will again accuse of sock-puppetry and ask for semi-protection like he has done with dozens of other articles. How is this being allowed in Misplaced Pages?? How is a user adding unsourced data here??2409:4065:E1C:A207:3059:7A18:8F79:9C0F (talk) 18:32, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

It was actually Alboraha who added that, not Chaipau. Chaipau restored it after you removed it. It’s true that it is unsourced, but it does seem to be supported by Misplaced Pages’s definition of Dravidian. In any case, you should discuss this at the article talk page, not here at my talk page. You should stop addressing your arguments to me. I will not be making decisions about what goes in the article. Administrators do not make decisions about content. That is done at the article’s talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Move protection of "the talk (racism in the United States)"

Hey you, I was just moving it, I will not move it more according to my statement on the talk page of that article. I was just not thinking too much when I moved it. Sorry, but that doesn't mean you should unprotect it. What if no one unprotects it? Not everyone is an admin. I will not hastily move something again without consensus, and I already apologized on the talk page of that article, and you just came in and unmoved it and move-protected it and you didn't even leave a message on my talk page about that event. You also deleted my apology, which could make me look like a vandal. I am not a vandal. I was trying to help with this article that I had already been watching for a few days. Please leave a message on my talk page the next time you do something like this and I hope you will not misuse your admin rights. Thank you. (Take a look at the time guidelines on my talk page for when I am available on Misplaced Pages.) Friend505 (talk) 11:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Friend505, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. I'm glad to see you participating at some of our important articles. As you find your way around Misplaced Pages, one thing you will learn is how to see the page history. There is a link at the top of every page, called "view history", which shows a complete listing of all the edits to that page; it tells you exactly who did what and when. Here is the history of that page: As you can see, the only thing I did was move-protect the page for a month. The reason I did that was that several people (not just you) had moved the page to new and different titles. That doesn't mean anyone was doing anything wrong; you and the others were acting in good faith; but since there wasn't a consensus or agreement on the title, each person was choosing their own favorite title. The result of that kind of situation is a "move war", which is not a good thing. So User:Valereee moved the page back to the original title. Keeping the original title was what the closer of the discussion said: "No consensus, not moved". Valereee also removed your comment at the talk page; maybe she can come here and explain why she did that. Meanwhile, someone else requested that the page be move-protected to prevent move warring, and I responded to that request and imposed the protection. The move-protection will expire in a month, and if there is a consensus agreement on the title, it could be removed sooner. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I just noticed that Valereee actually did post a message on your user talk page , but then she removed it after realizing that you had asked not to be notified. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, yow, I have NO memory of removing that comment! That's embarrassing...could it have gotten caught up in another edit? The 'no consensus' was for the move itself, not the comment. So sorry, Friend505, that wasn't my intention! I'm...stymied. —valereee (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

OH. I think I know...the next edit I made has an edit summary of 'so many intermediate moves, let's just start over.' I think I must have just lost track of where I was. My apologies again, Friend505, I just tried to undo but I'm going to have to do it manually. —valereee (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I've reinserted. Friend505, I think it's possible we'll find a better title, but we need to reach consensus first. Having a page be move-protected is just to stop pages from getting moved around willy nilly, and this one is one that lots of people disagree on where it should be.

If you want to continue the discussion at the article talk, it's fine, but often after a long discussion it's better to wait a while. People's opinions sometimes don't feel quite as strong a few weeks later and they're more willing to compromise. :) —valereee (talk) 16:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I mean, okay yeah, so thanks for apologizing. I no longer care about who deleted my comment about not reaching consensus with you guys after you reinserted my comment. Thanks, it makes me feel better. I'm sorry. I did not mean to cause a move war, but I just did it too hastily. Um, actually, thanks for move-protecting the article. Friend505 (talk) 20:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for being a talk page watcher and replying on behalf of Valereee. I think your reply triggered Valereee's response. I am really grateful for your reply, even though in the end, you weren't the one who completely answered the question. But I think your response triggered the further discussion between me, Valereee, you, Serial, and Astme. Thanks!! Friend505 (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks for the barnstar. Many of us watch other people's user pages, and we chime in (or you might say butt in) when we think we can be helpful. That kind of informal collaboration is what makes Misplaced Pages work. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I hope you've added my talk page to your watchlist, since I specified that on my talk page. If you did, thank you, since I have a reply for you on my talk page. Otherwise, please inform me and if you do not want to add my talk page to your watchlist, I will reply on your talk page accordingly. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 21:50, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Friend505: About where to reply to people: Don't try to make it complicated. The best practice is to keep any discussion in one place, so if it starts on your talk page it should stay on your talk page, and if it starts somewhere else it should stay there. Don't break it up. If you are concerned that the other person might not see what you said, just WP:ping them. A little red alert will appear at the very top of their pages, next to their username, to let them know they have been pinged. You can ping a person either of two ways: ] or {{ping|Friend505}}. In order for the ping to work, it has to be in the same note where you put your signature; you can't add it to the note later. Since I am signing this note and have pinged you at the beginning of it, you should have gotten one of those little red alerts just now, informing you that you have been pinged to my page. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

And I forgot to say: you will always get a notification when someone posts on your talk page. You probably got one just now when I posted there. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you, a small question

Hi, MelanieN,
I'm sorry for bothering you, but I would like to ask you a small question.
On the sockpuppet investigation (SPI), it says that patrolling admins can make comments. You have already noted my SPI, so why didn't you make a comment there? Is it because you don't have any opinion since you don't have access to information like my IP address? When I asked a related question to Valereee, she said that she couldn't have an opinion since the checkuser hadn't made a comment yet (see the discussion that you participated in on Valereee's talk page). Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Exactly. I don't know anything about the user they are listing as the master so I can't really comment. We will just have to wait for a checkuser to do their work. The fact that they have been in no hurry to do it may indicate that the report is not being treated as a high priority; when they are really worried about a possible sock, I have seen them look at it in as little as 24 to 48 hours. Waiting is hard, I know, but that is what I advise. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

If your reply specifies that it would not be bad conduct to leave a message on Valereee's talk page about this, I will act accordingly. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 23:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Valereee has already answered your question on this once. Don't ask again. As a friend I will give you some stronger advice: stop obsessing about this. Move on. Focus on something else. Like editing Misplaced Pages. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, an edit conflict. And also, sorry for bothering you about this. Thanks. Friend505 (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused

Hi, MelanieN

You have locked up Teddy McDonald's page and sent me a warning. McDonald is obviously writing his own advert and the information with regards to his bankruptcy keeps getting pulled down by him. Other admins have put it back up. He has written information which has also been taken down about a harassment notice and cited an address there too. Why is there one rule for one and another for another? If you look at the link to the Gazette it states quite clearly the public record which should be part of the bio for McDonald as it is fact. Misplaced Pages is not an advertising site! (Redacted) Perhaps you can put the record straight?

Thanks User:Justright89199 Justright89199 (talk) 05:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, User:Justright89199. You need to understand what the issue was there. Misplaced Pages does NOT publish people's addresses. Not even if they have been published elsewhere. For reasons of privacy, liability, protection, whatever - we just do not publish someone's address. You kept adding it - I think three times, or was it four? Every time you added it, it got not only reverted; it got immediately erased from public view. Didn't that suggest something to you? As for the page protection, that wasn't added by me; it was added by someone on the WP:Oversight crew, which is responsible for erasing such information. They saw that someone (you) kept adding it, so they took action to prevent it from being added again. Actually it was lucky for you that someone did protect the article. Because if you had ignored my warning and posted it again, you WOULD have been blocked from editing. And if you ever do it again, you will be. Now do you understand? -- MelanieN (talk) 07:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, MelanieN. So this link can't be added ever as the website shows an address" (Redacted) ? Other editors allowed it and put it back too. I'm new to this so want to be sure I'm doing it right. But then this one could be if the other not? It is important that the page shows the facts and not just the advertising the Mr McDonald wants to show. Thanks for your time Justright89199 (talk) 10:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You are playing games here. If you post that link again I'll block you myself. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, definitely NOTHERE. Bless you for your patience. Glen 14:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Glen. I'm afraid I do tend to err on the side of AGF. Not always a good thing. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Urgent question

Sorry for bothering you again, MelanieN, but after seeing your talk page, I found out that the Wikipedian who created the page Teddy McDonald in 13 January 2017, who is ArtWriter1, may be Teddy McDonald himself. In fact, the above section in your talk page kind of states that this user, ArtWriter1, is Teddy McDonald himself and is basically creating an advertisement for himself. Also, he actually changed his user account name from Tm74 (which may suggest that he is Teddy McDonald) to his current name, ArtWriter1. He also doesn't even have a user page (red link), which may mean that he is reluctant to give information about himself unlike some other users, who fill their userpages with all kinds of information about themselves. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 12:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, but I have changed my mind. I guess probably we don't need to do anything about the page as long as it is not adjusted to McDonald's own interests in his publicity and his public interests. As long as the article has been adjusted by other users to be not prejudiced in favor of McDonald himself, I guess it's okay. What's your idea/opinion? Thanks. Sorry for asking too many questions. Friend505 (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Just a fun thing, MelanieN. I've invented a word: "Wikipedivandal", which means Misplaced Pages vandals. Also, of course, there is the corresponding word "Wikipedivandalize". Also, how about "Wikipedivandalblock"? That could mean a block to Misplaced Pages vandals. Maybe we can adopt this vocabulary in the official Misplaced Pages help guides and stuff like that. Thanks. Friend505 (talk) 13:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I have already identified User:ArtWriter1 as Teddy McDonald. You do not need to answer the question about ArtWriter1, but I would like a bit feedback about my new words. Thanks! Friend505 (talk) 13:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Friend505, please do not speculate about the real-life identity of users here. And it wasn't necessary to go to Justright's page and repeat my warnings. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Good idea. Sorry, I'm new. Thanks again, MelanieN. Friend505 (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I want to ask you a question, MelanieN. Why was my content on your talk page deleted and suppressed? I didn't include any offensive content, unlike Willbackhouse1 may have when warning Justright89199. Please tell me why. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

It had nothing to do with anything you said or did. It was because I had not yet reverted the illegal link that Justright had posted. Although your edit - your diff - was fine, the version of the page on that diff still had Justright's illegal link. That's also why, on the Teddy McDonald page, so many of the replies to Justrright are suppressed. People like Willbackhouse1 hadn't done anything wrong, they were just deleting what Justright had added, but their diff couldn't be visible because it would show what Justright had done. Complicated, I know. But it's often the case that when bad stuff is getting suppressed, adjacent good edits have to be suppressed as well. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, MelanieN. I guess suppression of content is needed in order for Misplaced Pages to work. Friend505 11:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Just a quick thank you for all the hard work you do over at WP:RPP. SolarFlash 01:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. That's my favorite mopping area so I don't even think of it as work. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

ANI

I've mentioned you in an ANI thread on the situation at Talk:Kevin Deutsch. Acroterion (talk) 03:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Admin's Barnstar
		This is for your outstanding performance in Misplaced Pages as an administrator. I appreciate your selfless effort in serving Misplaced Pages. Your efforts are really grateful. Your quick troubleshooting abilities are a gift for Misplaced Pages. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 14:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Path slopu, what a nice surprise! -- MelanieN (talk) 14:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Jared Kushner

Senior Advisor to the President of the United States is a formal position in the White House, which means it’s a public office. Northern Moonlight 23:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Moonlight, and thanks for your comment. Please see Politician: "A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an office in government. Politicians propose, support and create laws or policies that govern the land and, by extension, its people." -- MelanieN (talk) 00:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

He’s holding an office in the White House, which I presume is part of the government. It’s clear that he is also responsible for many of the policies by the Trump administration. Northern Moonlight 08:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Tell you what: let's take it to the article talk page. I'll start a discussion there. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:37, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Herbert Hoover

Hi, thanks for your help at Herbert Hoover. Would you mind putting the padlock at the top right of the page? Thanks. Joshonian (talk) 02:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry. I forgot I wasn't using Twinkle which does it automatically. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- MelanieN (talk) 03:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Caleb Hughes socks

Note, historically you've been go-to admin for this SOCK's page protecion requests. SPI to follow, FYI. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/CalebHughes UW Dawgs (talk) 03:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, UW Dawgs, and thanks for the note. Actually I don't think I've been involved with that particular sock before, but I see that the current one has already been blocked and the SPI closed. Quick work. Was there a particular page you needed protection for? -- MelanieN (talk) 14:57, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

MAGA.

When I look at the chief justice Roger Taney article, it already mentions statues of him being removed in Maryland 3 years ago, due to the Dred Scott vs. Sanford decision on slavery. There's local news in my city about protests against the Christopher Columbus statue in Chicago where a clash against police, multiple injured, and then some week later, the mayor decides to remove the statues. A park also renamed, from a White slave-owner to a Black abolitionist. The last 2 stories are probably not on Misplaced Pages yet. Well, there could be more to it. More parks, schools, and statues removed throughout the country, that I don't know about. Problem is no 1 seems to connect these stories yet. There could be more Columbus statues removed in other jurisdictions as well. So I think it was a start. I'm afraid to say it, but I think you people lack imagination. You don't see potential? It wouldn't belong in a BLM (BlackLivesMatter) article, because although it would fit with Taney or Douglas, it wouldn't fit with Columbus, who killed Taino people. It wouldn't belong with a George Floyd article either, since the Taney removals happened before it, but it did happen after Trump came into office. So it has to be something that includes both Black and Hispanic people. I know my edit sucked but you guys know it can be expanded upon. Or maybe... you guys are defenders of MAGA. I guess I'll have to post this on every single person who disagrees with it. 67.175.224.138 (talk) 08:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC).

Well, I am baffled by what connection you see between MAGA and the removal of statues; Trump himself is strongly opposed to this kind of removal. And I’ve never seen any Reliable Source make a connection between this political slogan and the removal of statues. But there is already a lot on the subject here at Misplaced Pages. You can find information on the topic in several places at Misplaced Pages, including List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests, List of changes made due to the George Floyd protests, and George Floyd protests#Monuments and symbols. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Boy, I am so glad to see my #2 has their own article, and #3 park renames in another article you didn't post. Does this mean my convo ends? Chief Justice Roger Taney's statue being removed in 2017 is not included anywhere. I knew about the Taney statue removals for some time, but when the Columbus statues got removed, I immediately wanted to connect the 2 to something. And I would want to merge articles but the Columbus articles are already too big - there seems to be a Columbus statue in every state. And I don't connect the Columbus removals in my city Chicago to George Floyd, there was talk about removing Columbus Day as a holiday in Illinois before George Floyd. However, that doesn't matter, I argue that the Chicago story should go with all the cities, even if not all the cities had to do with George Floyd protests. But there didn't seem to be any Taney statues outside of his home state of Maryland, but I agree the Taney statues alone are not relevant to add to the MAGA article. There could be other statutes of racist White men removed before George Floyd protests, but I don't know about them, and aren't going to spend my time looking for them other. As far as U.S. supreme court judges go, I don't believe there to be any. But there could be a lot of state supreme court judges out there that I don't know about, but not gonna waste my time looking for them, only if I come across them by accident. Same with school-name renames and park-renames that happened before George Floyd, wouldn't have the time to look for them. But I hope those orphaned stories get picked up by someone someday and get their own article.

And if I were answer your question, what connection do I see the statue removals to do with MAGA? Aside from the ones that happened before George Floyd but after Trump took office? Sigh, I'm a White guy, but I grew up in Hispanic and Black neighborhoods, so I do can view White people from a different perspective. It's not the "MAG" that Hispanic and Black people find offensive, but the "again." That is, when they say "make America great again" what time period were they referring to that America was great? The '70s? And when I added into the MAGA article, my intent wasn't to keep it there unless it didn't expand, my intent was to increase enough until it can branch off into it's own article. And there could already be articles that over pre-George Floyds events that I don't know about exists. 67.175.224.138 (talk) 02:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC).

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. If you think you can make an article out of this, without too much duplication of existing articles, I suggest you do it as a draft. Not as a section in an article about something else. Or if you really want it in MAGA, suggest it first at the talk page and see if there is support for the idea. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

little help?

So I did this but I think I checked one more box than maybe I should have? I'm embarrassed to admit I've never done this before. Never was the first one on the scene, I guess. :D Should I fix something? —valereee (talk) 17:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, (talk page stalker) usually for that you'd only have to check Delete action and target and not edit summary or performer. If the edit summary is offensive then that as well. You'd usually only check performer if they had an offensive user name. Glen (talk) 17:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Glen, thank you. I was like...oops, I don't think that's what most of them look like... :D —valereee (talk) 17:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, all good I had Oshwah give me some tips so happy to pass on. I don't think it's too big a deal anyway. :) I just cleaned up the interim reversion as the edit was still there on one diff. Think it's all good now. Glen (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Glen. (I love my stalkers!) Thanks for jumping on that immediately, Valereee. Better to over-revdel something like that than to leave it there even for a minute. We are all going to have to keep a close eye on that article and its talk page for the foreseeable future. I'm afraid she will be getting attacked by all the racists and sexists in the country. For the future: usually we only need to hide the disruptive content. In some rare cases we need to hide the edit summary or the user name too, but usually not. Also, if you hide the content, it will usually also be hidden in the next diff. If that next diff removed the material, you don't need to revdel it; it will be revdel'ed automatically. If there were interim edits before it was removed, you need to hide all the interim ones, because they will also show the disruptive material. Clear as mud? -- MelanieN (talk) 18:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Totally. I am sitting here wondering what "I just cleaned up the interim reversion" and...um...well, everything in your post from 'If that next diff removed the material...' :D I may be too old to learn this new trick. :D —valereee (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, wait! I think I do understand the general idea of the interim edits still showing the diff! Yay me! —valereee (talk) 19:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Yay you! Sometimes actually functioning as an admin makes running at RfA look easy, doesn't it? 0;-D No harm, no foul. Personally, my very first use of the tools was to accidentally speedy-delete an article I had only meant to tag with CSD. Oooops! -- MelanieN (talk) 19:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Dear Melanie , my reply to you, seeking help

I have to get the Post-Doc at the University each time to tell me how to reply.

And I use capital lettering because my vision is poor: all my colleagues know this for the past 12-15 years. Or I use a larger font and bold. I can barely see these words to correct typos and spelling errors.

Below you have the short bio for me that the University of Maryland uses. I didnt compose it , but supplied dates and names of institutional affiliations to the CISSM deputy. who wrote it.

Cant you at least get rid of the duplicate Misplaced Pages site that has my last name misspelled ?

You asked for my educational background: -- I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Biology and Chemistry from the City College of New York in 1955 -- I then spent three years of graduate work at Johns Hopkins University and Brandeis University in the Depts. of Biochemistry.

I moved because my Ph D prof. moved to become the Dept. Chair at Brandeis. -- but I was a fourth year drop-out and I never completed my Ph d degree -- I was awarded a National Institutes of Health Pre-Doctoral fellowship in my first months of graduate school -- I co-authored four scientific journal papers as a first year graduate student. -- and I was awarded a National of Institutes of Health Post-Doctoral fellowship (without having completed my Ph D degree) in the Department of Neurology, Albert Einstein Medical School imn the Bronx, New york City

I then taught for six years before being able to find a way to make a professional transition to arms control, which was one of the reasons that I stopped my graduate work.

Once I made the transition to arms control, although all of that information was still entered on my full length Curriculum Vitae which ran to about 20 pages, I stopped including it in the short two-page CV that I supplied for lecturing, etc, and publishers always wanted less than that, it was usually reduced to more or less what you see directly below on the University of Maryland School of Public Affairs, Center for International and Security Studies. I dont know why you cant use that : anything that you "composed on your own" would have to look almost exactly the same, or else it would again be inaccurate, as the one that "GEOSWAN" composed was inaccurate.

I am also going to get the Post-Doctoral Fellow at the University to post some decent references to my work, book reviews , and a journal interview in 2019 instead of those presently in the Misplaced Pages entry: we can do that, but do you want us to send those to you ? And is it not possible for you to correspond with me by email ? That is infinitely easier for me : I have a home email address mleitenberg@cs.com and a university email address mleitenb@umd.edu but the home computer is on most of the day and since we are all working from home now I only look at the university computer once a day. That should also take care of "GEOSWAN's" objection that I might not be "me", but an imposter. No imposter has the password to open my office computer. I would be happy to give you my home telephone number as well if you wanted that Milton Leitenberg71.126.164.156 (talk) 14:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Senior Research Associate, CISSM Affiliations:

Center for Intl. & Security Studies at Maryland

mleitenb@umd.edu

Milton Leitenberg was trained as a scientist and moved into the field of arms control in 1966. In 1968, Leitenberg was the first American recruited to work at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). He was subsequently affiliated with the Swedish Institute of International Affairs and the Center for International Studies Peace Program at Cornell University, and he has been a Senior Research Associate at CISSM since 1989. His research is widely published; in the years since 1966 he has authored or edited a dozen books or book length studies, and published 180 journal papers, monographs, and book chapters. Among these are major portions of Tactical Nuclear Weapons, European Perspectives, SIPRI (Taylor and Francis, 1978); Great Power Intervention in the Middle East (edited, Pergamon Press, 1979); The Structure of Defense Industry: An International Survey (edited, Croom Helm, 1983); and The Wars in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, 1945 - 1982: A Bibliographic Guide (ABC-Clio, 1984), a book of his selected studies on arms control, Rusting und Sicherheitspolitik (Nomos Verlag, 1986), and Soviet Submarine Operations in Swedish Waters 1980-1986 (Center for Strategic and International Studies, 1987).

Leitenbergs research work is concentrated in three disparate areas of study: biological weapons; actual wars and conflicts of the past two decades, and the issue of international intervention in these; and the history of nuclear weapons between the U.S. and USSR between 1945 and 1995. CISSM published his major monograph Biological Weapons Arms Control in 1996.

With specific reference to Biological Weapons: a subject of particular current concern, Leitenbergs academic training was in Biology and Chemistry and his first paper dealing with biological weapons was published in 1967. At SIPRI, he was a member of the team that produced the six-volume study, The Problem of Chemical and Biological Warfare, published between 1971 and 1973. Since 1992, he has published thirty papers in the area of biological weapons. Several of these papers concern the BW program of the former USSR and The Soviet Biological Weapons Program: A History was published by Harvard University Press in 2013. Leitenberg published two other recent books on the subject of biological weapons: "The Problem of Biological Weapons" (National Defense College, Stockholm, 2004) and "Assessing the Biological Weapons and Bioterrorism Threat" (US Army War College, December 2005).

Great, thank you for the information. At your request I have removed the misspelled name. It was a redirect from an original error. I'll see what I can do to update your article. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

P.S. As you requested I will switch to email. Your identity has already been confirmed by the Misplaced Pages folks who do that kind of thing. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

PS FROM MILTON LEITENBERG

Dear Melanie, Because you asked about my education, I provided you with that information, but I should add that I have no interest at all in any of it appearing on a Misplaced Pages site, including the graduate and post-graduate fellowships. Thanks, Milton Leitenberg 71.126.164.156 (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I will include your undergraduate degree at least. I will see what I can do with the rest of the information. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I have done some work on the article and will communicate by email from now on. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you! (Cuz letter carriers and dogs...)

For your attention to the USPS page given attacks on the very infrastructure needed to hold free elections. Gratitude!

Exbrook (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the kitten. We need more kittens these days, especially given the current state of things. I suspect I'm not done with the postal service page. :-( -- MelanieN (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

United States Postal Service

Just as you were editing the article, my mail was delivered. Magic? :) S0091 (talk) 22:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

No extra charge. 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 22:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Ha! Very kind of you. S0091 (talk) 23:07, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, can you do your wonders on a little package that got shipped from Los Angeles to me by USPS 12 days ago? It's still not here and I only live 390 miles away. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, not today - it's Sunday. 0;-D This is a sad situation, isn't it? -- MelanieN (talk) 23:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

They can't be worse than Royal Mail (whom I used to work for); I'm still waiting for my complete with manual copy of the All your base are belong to us video game (Zero Wing) that was sent to me via them several years ago (I've moved house since, so I suppose I'll never see it now :(). Adam9007 (talk) 00:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

"All your video game are belong to us"??? 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 00:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Not quite; they sent another copy (without the manual :(), which did turn up. Adam9007 (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Milton Leitenberg

Congratulations on the many improvements you made, which more firmly establish his notability. Maybe now he will want to replace his official biography with your last version?

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 22:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. LOL your suggestion! No, I think he will prefer to keep his official biography. Don't they all prefer the one they wrote themselves? -- MelanieN (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Louis DeJoy Article

I noticed that you seen to be editing out any mentions of the current controversies about Louis DeJoy and the accusations that he is undermining the USPS from the inside in the runup to the 2020 Presidential election. I see you are a reputable Misplaced Pages editor and were if not for that I would have assumed you were part of DeJoy's communications team. These edits were timely, and sourced from very reliable sources, including the BBC, USA Today, Politico, and others. I made a point to say these are only accusations, but they are credible enough to be part of emergency congressional hearings. I figured that DeJoy's PR people would start an edit war, but someone reliable like you censoring any credible and justified discussion of this controversy was unexpected. What is your rationale? Do you believe that BBC is an untrustworthy source, or USA Today or Politico, etc.? Do you believe that anything that smacks of criticism of this DeJoy should be censored? Please explain yourself. Kops2222 (talk) 15:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)Kops2222

Kops2222, I have no idea what you are talking about. I have not made any recent removals to either the DeJoy article or the crisis article; most of my edits have been to add material, not remove it. You might be thinking about someone else, except that I don't see anyone else removing material critical of DeJoy either. And in the most recent history pages I don't see any edits by you either, unless they were under another username. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Kops2222 made a major rewrite to the lead on 13 Aug. Emir of Misplaced Pages reverted it the next day, with the edit summary not needed in the lede. Kops2222 should start a discussion on Talk:Louis DeJoy. edit to add: MelanieN, you were the next person to edit the article after Kops so apparently they misread the history and thought your edit was the removal of theirs? (wildly guessing) Schazjmd (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks, Schazjmd, very helpful! I didn't go back that far. IMO that material is not neutral in its language, especially for the lead, and I agree with Emir removing it, but we can certainly discuss it on the talk page. Kops2222, it will be up to you to start that discussion on the talk page; if you want to argue for inclusion of something like this, the talk page is the only place for it. Be sure to include a link to the edit you made - you can copy it from Schazjmd's note - and to discuss it calmly, in terms of why it should be included, rather than accusing people of underhanded motives. BTW we don't put things in the lead unless they are already included in the article text. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Women, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in the US Healthcare Workplace

I'm wondering if there was a reason why this draft was deleted. Eugenia Lee CEF (talk) 14:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Eugenia Lee CEF. I see it was originally created in your userspace, then moved to draft space. The draft had been tagged with WP:G7 indicating that the author (you) had requested deletion. If that was a mistake, I can restore the draft. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that was a mistake. I think it was because I tried to submit the article but it recommended that I submit it as a draft first. That would be great if you could restore the draft. Thank you! Eugenia Lee CEF (talk) 00:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Here it is: Draft:Women, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in the US Healthcare Workplace. Good luck and happy editing! -- MelanieN (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! Eugenia Lee CEF (talk) 17:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

BLPCRIME editnotice

Hey. Following up from Talk:Kenosha_protests#Name, unambiguous violations do constantly keep cropping up in edits (mainly by newer editors), so I thought an editnotice might be a good idea, as well as a talk notice perhaps, to highlight WP:BLPCRIME implications explicitly. Something like User:ProcrastinatingReader/BLPCRIME editnotice? Wondering what your thoughts are? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Actually I'm not seeing a big problem with that issue right now and I think our article is reasonably balanced from a BLPCRIME perspective. We have a sentence pointing out that both the prosecutors and the defense attorneys agree that Rittenhouse was the person who fired the shots - with the defense arguing that it was in self defense - so I think that stipulation softens our need for "allegedly" a little. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. This edit which was reverted, was your version (2020 RNC)

Hi. This reversion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2020_Republican_National_Convention&diff=prev&oldid=975886796 was actually the specific edit which I did purely in accordance to your past vs future tense format... In other words, I restored your version, and it was reverted by someone else. ThanksWbiases (talk) 00:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I wondered about that. I'll fix it again. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

It was me. I wasn't against updating the verb tenses, but Wbiases' edit introduced a bunch of errors, as if it was a combination of deleted and added words (e.g., "speakspoke" and "hubplace"). I imagine it was a copy-paste error. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 13:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. You are improving authenticity too.Wbiases (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I just copied/pasted previous MelanieN text. Nothing more.Wbiases (talk) 13:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

However, if I did something in error from this , I apologize to both. Regards.Wbiases (talk) 14:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, no apologies necessary. We had some edit-conflicts going on there because we were all editing at the same time, and mistakes happen. No harm, no foul. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request some protection for Jackie Ormes, linked from today's Google doodle

Some varied IPs are playing with this article about a notable Black woman cartoonist. Can you or somebody set it to autoconfirmed for today, while it is getting traffic from Google? Thanks! HouseOfChange (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the alert. I gave it two days. There was also some constructive editing by IPs, but not enough to cancel out the disruptive stuff - some of it approaching BLP territory. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Arameans

Hello, I want to say that the name ܐܪ̈ܡܝܐ Oromoye should be added to the site Arameans, it’s the perfect translation of the word Aramean and the Arameans are feeling related to this word

Drmartinbey (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Drmartinbey, and thanks for the note. Any suggestions for edits to the article should be made on the article talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for additional article protection to Lloyd Cafe Cadena

Hi! I just wanted to suggest to you since you're the one who made the article regarding to Lloyd Cafe Cadena semi-protected.

There was this user named JmKissme who reverted my edits regarding to the removal of some of the text that he added and from other users since it may require further verification and some are questionable. At 13:19 UTC, he reverted edits stating that "this is considered his legacy and notable information to his death."

Prior to this, I received a suggestion from an IP address user who wanted to removed some of its content due to indiscriminate information, which I heeded the suggestion and made edits to it. (See Talk:Lloyd Cafe Cadena#Semi-protection edit request on 6 September 2020)

Hours after JmKissme reverted my edits, the IP address user came back and asked that user to remove the text for the same reason. (See Talk:Lloyd Cafe Cadena#Death section)

I am suggesting to you whether to put the article to extended-confirmed protection or to pending changes to avoid any further unnecessary and unverified content in this article, since it also involved the death of an internet personality and more information may be needed.

What are your thoughts on this? Thanks! Jhenny38 23:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Jhenny38. I don't see any need for a change in the protection. You and Jmkissme have a difference of opinion about what should be in the article; to deal with that you need to start a discussion with them on the article talk page. I see several other conversations on the talk page, but not one where you are talking to them about why you feel the material should be removed. We don't use page protection to sort out differences of opinion, and in any case ECP wouldn't make any difference, because both of you are extended confirmed. Talk to the other user, see if you can reach agreement about what does and does not belong there - and of course don't edit war while you are doing that. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you MelanieN for your advice. I already messaged that user before you did that edits may happen and his content may be removed or altered for certain reasons. I'm just doing my job as an ordinary Misplaced Pages user.Jhenny38 01:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

It would be better to ping him to discuss it at the article talk page - rather than try to discuss it on his user talk page. Discussions of content should usually be on the article's talk page, so that they are public and other people can chime in. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello

I'm new editor to Misplaced Pages. I recently tried to edit the article, but noticed that you canceled my contribution. I would like to know what did i wrong? Y.Silver (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Y.Silver, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I am glad you have registered an account; you will find it gives you a lot more ability to do things here at Misplaced Pages. As for why I removed your edit: several reasons. The source you cited was not a Neutral Reliable Source as Misplaced Pages requires; it did not seem to meet the criteria for a Reliable Source, and it was very much promoting the use of polygraphs. Also, the material you added was promotional, naming one particular polygraph school, and naming some of its graduates. Do keep editing here and don't be discouraged; you will soon learn what does and doesn't go here. You might want to sign up for the WP:Misplaced Pages Adventure as a way to learn your way around. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Arameans article

Hi MelanieN, could you please protect the Arameans article due to an emerging edit warring with Assyrian POV editor Mugsalot. He went his own way by reverting previous edits based on his own preferences, ignoring the RFC-discussion with him actually being a minority to revert the article back to its previous form. Would it be possible for you or a team of admins to review the RFC-discussion and make a decision? Many thanks in advance. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Arameans --Optra2021 (talk) 11:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

The RFC has been closed as inconclusive/no consensus. I have changed the protection of the article to Extended Confirmed, because I see it has been targeted in recent days by several sockpuppets with extended confirmed posting privileges. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@MelanieN: User Mugsalot ignored the inconclusive/no consensus RFC-discussion and just reverted not only one source, but the entire article again despite other reliable sources given in the article just to meet his POV to forcely include modern Aramean content in the highly disputed "Assyrian people" article, which the RFC-discussion was all about. Could you please take a look? If you review the discussion, it is evident him doing POV editing on English Misplaced Pages. The article should keep its current status during the RFC-discussion, edited by non-biased or political driven users, not by POV users such as Mugsalot or personal affected users such as Shmayo who happens to be an Assyrian Wikipedian. By no mean any of these mentioned users are neutral and objective in the sense of Misplaced Pages as an encyclopedia. Thank you.

Just to give you an example. When Mugsalot claimed the "Assyrian" terminology to be commonly accepted in academia despite me giving contra-sources, e. g. by professor Sebastian Brock which proved him wrong, another user asked Mugsalot to provide evidences, e. g. through surveys etc that "Assyrian" is really the commonly accepted term in academia which he couldn't deliver and ignored to answer.

See original book cover: https://books.google.de/books/about/Arameans_and_the_Making_of_Assyrians.html?id=9cDyswEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

See Mugsalot's contribution by falsfying the original title from "Arameans and the Making of ‘Assyrians'" to "Assyrians and the Making of 'Arameans'" on purpose to give it a different meaning to meet his POV. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Johny_Messo&diff=935120057&oldid=908926034--Optra2021 (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

These issues need to be worked out on the talk page. I will not be intervening or expressing an opinion with regard to the content of the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Rose Garden article

Your removal of the new information from White House Rose Garden results in an inaccurate description of the post-Melania garden. If you want to remove the article as a reference, then OK, but your revised article is factually incorrect.--Zeamays (talk) 18:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Zeamays, and thanks for the note. I agree that the article is now out of date, and I started a discussion about that at the talk page a couple of weeks ago, see Talk:White House Rose Garden#Update needed. I said the article need updating but I was not expert enough to do it. The response at the discussion was that we should wait before updating the current appearance of the garden, because it is a political hot topic currently. Feel free to join the talk page discussion.

The reason I removed that one paragraph is that the Newsweek article cited as a reference contained errors of fact, such as the claim that the crabapple trees had been cut down - when actually they were removed intact and will be replanted elsewhere on the White House grounds. (A good example of why we no longer regard Newsweek as a Reliable Source.) We need to be sure that any source we use is reliable. Maybe we could now add a description of the current garden, using the references proposed at the talk page; note that some people were unwilling to regard the White House description of the changes as reliable and that changes should be sourced to secondary sources. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I never wrote Newsweek was a Reliable Source. What I wrote was that you rendered much of the description of the post-renovation garden incorrect by removing my text as well as the reference, and you didn't fix it by providing a reliable source yourself. It was the reference that was wrong, not the facts that the reference cited. This afternoon, I fixed the problem by adding two references and correcting now erroneous legends to figures. --Zeamays (talk) 02:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it was time to do that. I have added a few tweaks. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Arameans

Hi MelanieN,

I saw that you protected the page Arameans, after you did that an user reverted the edits, which goes against the ongoing RFC on the talk page, that was opened by the same user named Mugsalot, namely;” Should this article only contain information relevant to the ancient people?”

The user removed the information about the modern Arameans while consensus was NOT reached. Could you please revert the user his edit back.

Thanks in regards!

Vullc4n0 (talk) 13:58, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

These issues need to be worked out on the talk page. I will not be intervening or expressing an opinion with regard to the content of the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I fully understand that, but at the moment I’m not able to revert the edit that was made and as the Misplaced Pages guidelines are violated by that user while there is no consensus reached on the RFC I kindly ask you if you can revert the edit! :) the user pushed his own view on the article by removing the content and ignoring the opinions of other Misplaced Pages editors. Vullc4n0 (talk) 15:16, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh you fully understand--I'm sure you also fully understand why you're blocked, then. God this is irritating. Do you really think you're helping anything? Drmies (talk) 15:37, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

New message from Shearonink

Help please. Don't know quite what to do here, would appreciate someone with a higher pay grade weighing-in. Thanks. Shearonink (talk) 18:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Shearonink. Looks like CFred has taken care of it. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I've just never seen someone massively revert ol' ClueBot or ClueBot III like that... and then after they reverted ClueBot and then me they haven't posted anything to the threads so I don't know what has been gained... Oh well, thanks again. Shearonink (talk) 19:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Tu Jaane Na

Hi, MelanieN, recently you redirected the article Tu Jaane Na. However, I don't think that it should be done so. I'm author of the article and it contains good information and sources. As well as, it took an enough time of me during creating. As I think, it's lot of better than that older one. It shouldn't be redirected in such a way. If you'd not mind then I'll ask you to revert your edit and make it an article again. I'll be thankful. Thank you. Empire AS 01:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, User:Empire AS. Thanks for your note. I'm just about to log off for the night so I'll take a closer look in the morning. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:08, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll be waiting. Empire AS 03:10, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

OK. I made a more detailed comparison of the current version compared to the one that was redirected at AfD. The new article contains more information, and it shows an award actually won instead of just nominated, so I will restore it as an article. However, I noted that a lot of the new information is unsourced or sourced only to youtube, which could be a problem at a second AfD if one is proposed. I will place a note on the talk page saying that I have declined G4 and that a second AfD would be needed to redirect it again. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

User:Empire AS: A problem: when I tried to restore your version, it triggered a filter saying that one of the following sources is a self-published blog, normally not accepted as a source:  Angelfire, Blogger (including blogspot.com), Geocities, Livejournal, Rootsweb, WordPress.com. Offhand I didn't see those sources in your version; can you please point out to me where you used one of them, so I can remove it? Thanks. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC) P.S. I see that you got the same warning about self-published blogs on August 2, but you published your version anyhow. Earlier versions of the article also triggered that warning but apparently the authors ignored it. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:59, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I found it. The problem is references 1 and 2 (actually the same reference) cited to thefilmistanconnection.wordpress.com and used to support the lead paragraph. Can you find any other reference to support "The song is sung by Pakistani playback singer Atif Aslam. The song was composed by Pritam Chakraborty and lyrics were written by Irshad Kamil."? -- MelanieN (talk) 16:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I think our time zones are completely different. Would I be able to find more refs about the article and expand it to an FA. But I searched Google to find all possible refs about the song. The sources I found, put them into article. Due to having insufficient sources, I made use of YouTube official sources to cite duration, published year and credits. The ref of filmistan connection was blog, I didn't know. The ref was not being opened by me in my country so I archived it. I've these three sources , but they don't seem to reliable. But I'm not able to find more refs for article after a long search. Thank you. Empire AS 04:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your sincere effort. I guess it will have to stay as a redirect for now, since it would likely fail AfD again because of sourcing issues. Sorry. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Please don't disappoint me. What about these three refs. What I'd have to do to return it as article? Thank you. Empire AS 15:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you understood. You are right, those three references are not Reliable Sources, not even close. And when I tried to restore the article as it was, a filter warned me against the wordpress reference - even though it has been in the article all along. Your new version of the article does contain more information than the earlier, AfD'ed version. But the new information (and even the old information) is not supported by Reliable Sources. In fact there is really not a single Reliable Source in the article as Misplaced Pages defines sources. It is mostly youtube and some blogs. IMO the new version would again be challenged at AfD and the result would again be Redirect. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

So, I think that I'd have to find reliable sources for this article otherwise I'm helpless an unable to keep it as article. It's not easy to find refs for this article. However, I'll still try. Thank you. Empire AS 15:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

William Barr

Hi there. Since you recently made an edit to that article about a statement not directly about Barr, you may want to comment here Talk:William_Barr#These reverted edits should be restored. Trying to reconnect (talk) 02:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll take a look. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Tim Kaine

Hi, thanks for your help on Tim Kaine. However, I noticed that the protection you put in is significantly shorter than the previous protection, which expired only a short time ago. Would you please consider making the semi-protection longer? The page has been consistently vandalized for more than a year despite multiple protections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.87.15.15 (talk • contribs)

You're right. I reacted quickly to the rat-a-tat vandalism and forgot to check the protection log. And I foolishly assumed that since he is no longer a vice presidential nominee, his page would no longer be a target. The protection that just expired was for a year; I will WP:TROUT myself and impose protection for another year. Thanks for pointing this out. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Paul Elias Alexander

Hello! Your submission of Paul Elias Alexander at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Squirrels, again

I don't suppose I can persuade you to pop {{user squirrel}} on your userpage? It was your idea.... Ritchie333 16:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

LOL, I'd forgotten about that! It's still funny. But I think I'll pass, on the userbox. Thanks for the suggestion, though. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

People of Praise

Hi, Melanie,

I'd like to ask you for your help with this article. People of Praise is a primarily Catholic intentional community that has been around since the 1970s. It's conservative and charismatic. I happen to know some members, both of them Catholic priests, in Oregon. Because the lastest Supreme Court nominee is rumored to be a member, the article is subject to a lot of editing from people who want the group labeled a "cult". I studied the sociology of religion in school and it doesn't meet the organizational definition of a cult. I expect the bickering on this article to continue for weeks because peope are so unhappy about this SCOTUS appointment. I'm involved already so I can't impose any sort of protection on the article but I did impose a 31 block on the most persistently disruptive editor.

There is no way on Earth this small religious community would be getting any attention at all from our editing community if it wasn't for the barest of political connections to Donald Trump. I'd appreciate it if you could add the page to your Watchlist and, if you feel it is warranted, impose some sort of editing restriction should edit warring continue. Thanks. Liz 01:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks for the alert. It certainly does need help. I have given it 2 weeks semi-protection and added it to my watchlist. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated! Liz 02:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Even absent Trump (difficult, I know), the article would be an attention magnet because she's in no wise SCOTUS timber and, well, SCOTUS. Definitely needs the protection in any case. kencf0618 (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Trump editsum

Hi there. Re this edit summary, please see Talk:Donald Trump#Current consensus item 43. I concur with the revert, but the rationale was invalid and editsum was effectively misinformation; prior talk page consensus is not required for changes to the lead of that article. I'm sure you can see how it's important to be accurate about these things, particularly in the AP area, and I'm resisting the temptation to add a correcting dummy edit (although you might do so). See you around. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Prior consensus IS required for changes to the lead paragraph. It even says so in the invisible comment: "DO NOT CHANGE the first paragraph without prior consensus; see Talk:Donald Trump#Current consensus." This was a change to the lead paragraph. Thanks for the note, but I'll stick with my comments at the discussion I opened on the talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Prior consensus IS required for changes to the lead paragraph. Yes, but that is not what your editsum said. The editsum did not contain the word "paragraph" but referred to "the lead", which most reasonable editors will take to mean the entire lead.This was a change to the lead paragraph. Debatable considering that this scenario was never considered during the discussions to my knowledge. But moot anyway, since my concern was not about the rationale but about the incorrect and misleading assertion in the editsum. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the Prompt Response

Thanks for your prompt response suggesting speedy deletion for the irrelevant redirection related to my request at Misplaced Pages:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_September_28#Enola Homosexual.Amit Dash (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I happened to see it mentioned at User talk:Cullen328. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

That's nice, cheers! Amit Dash (talk) 19:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Paul Elias Alexander

On 30 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Paul Elias Alexander, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that as an advisor to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Paul Alexander tried unsuccessfully to tell Dr. Anthony Fauci what he could and could not say about the coronavirus? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Elias Alexander. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Lessons from the pandemic

Stolen from a friend's facebook page:

If nothing else, the coronavirus teaches us that ... ummm ... hang on ... shoot, I really thought I had one there for a minute!

IMO that kind of sums up the situation perfectly. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• EPA? Might want to check your notes. starship.paint (talk) 07:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

  EPA? I don't get it. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

  You forgot? Oops. starship.paint (talk) 01:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade Protection for Ariana Grande

Hi, please make the Ariana Grande page fully protected permanently due to excessive vandalism from multiple users. One account has already been blocked from editing but they are multiple others that keep vandalizing. Please make sure the page protection is raised Randomperson7893457 (talk) 11:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, User:Randomperson7893457. You have already made this same request at WP:RFPP, where it was declined. What I see: there is a content dispute at that page, with edit warring, and two of the disputants have been blocked for edit warring. What I don’t see, up to now: discussion at the article's talk page. An administrator has started a discussion thread at the talk page, and that is where you need to discuss what should and should not be in the article. Please share your opinion there; that is the system for determining consensus. And do NOT accuse the people who disagree with you of vandalism. Having a different opinion about what should be in the article is not vandalism. As for full protection, that is sometimes used for a day or two if the edit warring cannot be stopped, but never permanently. Think about it: permanent full protection would mean that nobody but administrators could ever edit that article again. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Please block

Please block PixelNow (talk · contribs), this guy made more edits today to various city articles despite all the warnings he's received for the past few months. Obviously lacks clue and the competence to edit here. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 22:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the heads-up. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:32, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Please put on your administrator's hat

Please consider the following:

1. An editor creates a new article. Perhaps it is titled "Science policy of the Donald Trump administration". (This new article title seems to comply with WP:NPOVTITLE.)
2. As a caution, you (as an administrator) tag the article talk page with {{American politics AE}}. (The tag is appropriate because most WP editors realize that Trump-related articles are subject to disruptive editing. You are setting the stage to hammer editors who ....)
3. Still, another editor comes along and moves/changes the article title to "Trump administration political interference with science agencies".

What would you do? – S. Rich (talk) 06:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

No comment. This question is hypothetical and bears no relation to reality. As for the article where you and I disagree: You have created your proposal for a Requested Move; that's perfectly appropriate, let's see where it goes. I obviously won't be taking any administrative actions with regard to that proposal or that article, per WP:INVOLVED. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW you should remove the question mark from your suggested rename posted in the move request. I don't think you are actually proposing to call the article Science policy of the Donald Trump administration? but that's what it says. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

The question mark is there per WP:RM#CM because I'm suggesting more than one name. But I see I've misread the guidance. I'll cleanup the request. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 17:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

S. Rich OK, good. Don't forget that you are allowed to express an opinion yourself - especially now that you are not recommending a particular title in the RM heading. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Protection for 2020 Atlantic hurricane season

Hi there MelanieN, and I appreciate the protection you give to pages. However, I disagree with the protection of 2020 Atlantic hurricane season. The actual page that parties have been edit-warring about was Hurricane Delta, though both parties have backed off since this morning. The revert that Drdpw made was reverting vandalism. Please consider lowering the level of protection of extended-confirmed or semi protection. Thanks! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:11, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, User:Destroyeraa, and thanks for your note. Yes, they were arguing about Hurricane Delta, but they were doing it on the hurricane season page. They did mostly move their argument to the talk page when they began to approach 3RR. And yes, I know that edit by Drdpw was reverting an edit by a now-blocked user. The problem there is the arguing over which image to use. (Maybe they could just agree to use both?) I do hate to full-protect an article that needs such constant updating. But it's only for 24 hours, maybe they can reach agreement in that time. Other than the edit warring I wasn't inclined to protect the article at all; I saw IPs doing constructive editing just as much or more than problem editing. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. In storm infoboxes, there can only be one paragraph, and since this storm is very erratic and had multiple images of peak intensity, there was (understandably) arguing over which image to use. I will contact you or another admin when there is clear consensus for one image. Thanks. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with full protection. I say we partially block the editors from the article for 24 hours instead. 67.85.37.186 (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

It's pretty standard to protect pages that are the subject of an edit war. The protection level must be set according to the editing privileges of those involved, which in this case includes extended confirmed editors. In regard to the active season, it's not an urgent matter, as there are no storms currently active and probably won't be for at least several days. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

It does. Damage estimates could come in for Gamma and Delta, etc. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 12:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Anyway, the block period ends in less than 12 hours. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:23, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Still partial blocks would be more appropriate. 67.85.37.186 (talk) 13:34, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Part of my philosophy (see User:MelanieN/Page protection) is that in cases of edit warring it is often better to full-protect the page rather than to block the warriors. The edit warriors are often long term editors, proceeding in what they believe to be good faith, who just need a reminder about WP:EW. Or there might be more people on one side than the other, which could result in my blocking only one side of the dispute. As an administrator I am not supposed to take sides in the dispute, which I might inadvertently do, by blocking some people and not others, or by imposing a level of protection which screens out newer editors while leaving the field clear for longer term editors. Hence, short term full protection. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

No, this is not a full block. This is a short term block from that article. Partial blocks. List of partial blocks. I think partial blocks are best because then other people can edit and the users blocked can still edit other articles. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I know what partial blocks are. My philosophy, and my reasoning above, still stand. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but the problem is this. By fully protecting an article, you lock it from all of us. By partial blocking the users in dispute, you lock it from them, but other users can still edit. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

It's time to stop arguing about partial and full blocks or protection. It's futile, since the protection expires in five hours. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:14, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. And the remaining time would be much better spent discussing the content at the article talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

Melanie why protect accounts that are clearly representing misrepresentations and fraud?

If you care about facts and promoting them then do your research before you act all high and mighty and change peoples edits! Black lives matter and your part of the problem! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B06A:B96F:2C9D:8EE1:C66E:5581 (talk) 21:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. If I knew what you are talking about, I could reply. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Protection of Marques Brownlee

Hello, I noticed that you have indefinitely semi-protected Marques Brownlee a few months ago on the 29 May 2020 and I am proposing the page protection should instead be moved down to pending changes protection or maybe back down to unprotected after an expiry date considering the lack of edits on the page the current protection could reduce possible constructive edits from ip's in the future. Thanks, Terasail 01:23, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, User:Terasail, and thanks for the suggestion. As of last May this article had been under near-constant vandalism and possible sock puppetry, and had been short-term protected many, many times. But you are correct that the volume of editing has greatly decreased in the last 6 months, so I am willing to give pending change protection a try. -- MelanieN (talk) 08:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I ask

Will you be a comforting shoulder to cry on?] Anyway, Gem is taking a break - but the dramatic switch in topcs weirded me out and so I went mining his contributions to see if this is a regular pattern or some spontaneous conversion. Unsurprisingly its fundamentally obvious the user struggles to express himself in English, and in fact just wholesale misunderstands words or applies them to the wrong situation. I am not sure what to recommend for him to get help or at least limit his more disruptive behaviour when he is apparently incapable or unwilling to read the required sources. Koncorde (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I won't be much help, I'm afraid. I happened across that discussion and felt inspired to respond to just one of the many allegations that were being made; I don't intend to follow up. If Gem has left the area that will be a great relief to everybody IMO; they appear to be one of those people who you can't call a troll because they stick to the subject, but who can discuss and argue endlessly until they frustrate or exhaust everybody else. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I was hoping there was some kind of mentor system for non-native speakers. I think he's unfortunately going to go on everyones ignore list then. Ta. Koncorde (talk) 17:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Michio Suzuki

You protected Michio Suzuki (inventor) a few months back; the same IP is back it seems. If I am in the wrong place apologies. Best,  Mr.choppers | :✎  17:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr.choppers: Right you are. Same IP range, same unexplained edit. I gave it two months this time. Thanks for the alert. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know if it's because of the ip, but there are now articles online listing both birthdates... Sometimes it is hard to avoid the WP effect on other sources - or perhaps it is some anomaly with the Japanese calendars?  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah, here is the City of Hamamatsu listing it as the 18th. That should settle things.  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you put this evidence on the article talk page so you can point to it in the future. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editors

Hello MelanieN, if you remember I had requested for protection of 2020–21 I-League because of persistent unsourced cotent addition by some newly registered users, which you had given final warnings to. But guess what they continued their same editing behaviour of adding the unsourced contents, and not only in this article, but multiple articles. I think actions can be taken now, because either they are incompetent to understand guidelines or simply ignoring. It's frustrating now to correct, undo or even check everytime they add something. (Akbar Gazi and Messi Khar are those users) Drat8sub (talk) 18:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert. I gave them both partial blocks from that article only. I didn't see current disruptive editing at other articles. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope now they may care to take guidelines seriously. Regarding other articles, one of the editor Akbar Gazi is doing that at Mohammedan SC (Kolkata) and BLP vio at Mohammed Fatau. Drat8sub (talk) 20:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that - but I also saw that their edits at those articles are not getting reverted, so I took that as evidence that their editing there is constructive or at least not problematic. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Got it. Anyway, I think the partial block will surely work. Drat8sub (talk) 20:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

If they don't get the message, it can be extended to a full block. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but I don't get this, if they were blocked from editing the article, how come they edited it today. Messi Khar edited the article today, that too unsourced. I'm confused about it but one thing is clear, the user is incompetent to edit wikipedia. Drat8sub (talk) 21:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC) I think they don't know that they have a talk page and they don't know how to see notification or they are totally ignoring, in both way problematic. Drat8sub (talk) 21:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Huh! Well, I’m baffled. I know I did it, but it does not show up in my logs or theirs.

Update: I just tried again, and again it did not register in the logs. It must be some kind of glitch with Twinkle. I will try it manually.

Update: OK, that worked; now Messi Khar appears to be partial-blocked. I may let Akbar slide since he has been doing constructive editing elsewhere. But let me know if he hits 2020–21 I-League again. Thanks for letting me know about this. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Phew!! ok fine. I will let you know if they pursue anything like that. Drat8sub (talk) 08:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Again, sorry MelanieN, Akbar now removed contents from the article without explanation (players who are not announced by club that their contracts are terminated). He did that before while adding names. Drat8sub (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. He is now blocked from that article as well. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2020

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You warned an editor, a long time one about editing in an incorrect and negative manner. I and another editor seem to have run up against a few editors who feel they are a. competent. b. emboldened. c. free to close a topic on a talk page which is meant to further discussion not shut it down. d. be disruptive and "throw weight" e. collude with each other in a nonsensical form. and f. once in a while do something which is constructive. Could you do something about it? I see that articles about weather have had this problem before, thank you. Howdoesitgo1 (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Unprotecting Confetti (Little Mix album)

Hi MelanieN. Would you be able to unprotect Confetti (Little Mix album)? I have asked for an admin to move the draft to mainspace, but this has not been done. The draft article (Draft:Confetti (Little Mix album)) is ready to be accepted and moved over to the mainspace as the album has been released, and there are numerous album reviews and enough sources to pass WP:NALBUMS. Thanks. Ss112 16:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ss2012. If you feel the draft is ready now, you should resubmit it, using the "Finished drafting? Submit for review!" button. If a reviewer accepts it this time, they will move your draft to that title (or get help if they aren't able to do it themselves). What you should NOT do is try to paste it into the existing redirect, as another user did several times before I protected it. Some cautions: do NOT resubmit it until you have taken the advice of previous reviewers: "Sourcing for the tour needs to come from external news sources. This is still missing album reviews / previews." "Do not resubmit until after it has detailed album reviews and charting." "If this draft is resubmitted again prior to release, negative action may be taken." Your draft says "The album was released on 6 November 2020" which is tomorrow so it is inaccurate to say "was" released. Bottom line: I advise that you not resubmit it for review until after it has actually been released and gotten a few reviews.-- MelanieN (talk) 18:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Actually I see that User:Doggy54321 has already resubmitted it, yesterday. With any luck, a little time will pass before the reviewer gets to it; hopefully by that time you will have been able to add a few reviews. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey Melanie. It’s Doggy54321. The album has been released in multiple territories, hence the reviews and the "Composition" section, as well as the past tense pronouns. The album has also met all the criteria that is stated in the declining boxes at the top of the article. I also submitted the draft about half an hour ago . If you could actually delete the article, that would be better as my friend User:DarkGlow has offered to accept the draft (being NPOV, of course) because they think it is notable and deserves to be in the mainspace, which I agree with. They aren’t a page mover, though, so they can’t move the page. If you could delete the page instead, that would be great. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 18:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Doggy. I am not going to interfere in the review process. That's not my department. 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

As someone in the "review department", it would not be interfering, it would be helping me to review the draft much more efficiently. – DarkGlow (✉) 19:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, nobody is asking you to "interfere in the review process". Just to unprotect (or delete, as Doggy54321 suggested) the target article Confetti (Little Mix album) so the draft can be approved by another user, then moved by them, not you. That's not you interfering with the review of the draft whatsoever. Also, in your initial response to your message, perhaps it wasn't your intention, but you got several things wrong. My username is Ss112, not Ss2012. I've been a registered editor on Misplaced Pages since 2006—I know you wouldn't know that, but I do know how to submit a draft if that's what I were to wanting to do. I wasn't asking for advice on how to submit the draft. The draft is not mine; I did not write it nor contribute substantially to it. A look at the edit history would show you this. Sorry if this sounds rude and standoffish, but I don't need to be treated like a newbie on how to submit a draft. I asked if you could unprotect the article in question, which you seem to not remember that you protected so that only admins can edit it. That's all we're asking here. Also, maybe it isn't November 6 where you live, but it already is in some countries in the world, like in Australia and New Zealand. Misplaced Pages isn't (at least entirely) written from a US time zone point of view. Once an album is released in some parts of the world where it is already such a date, articles can be updated to say they have been released. Finally, the album does have reviews. They're in the album ratings template just below the infobox, which you can see by visiting Draft:Confetti (Little Mix album). Just clarifying. Thanks. Ss112 19:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Having had this brought to my attention by DarkGlow, I agree that unprotecting the page will allow the AfC process to continue and have gone ahead and done so. _signed, Rosguill 21:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Thank you! There's still the issue of moving the draft over, as I do not have page mover rights (I did apply recently but was denied). – DarkGlow (✉) 21:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rosguill and DarkGlow: Regular page movers aren't able to move the page at the moment either, as the page still has admin access required to move it. Can this protection be removed? Ss112 21:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Ss112, it should have been unprotected as of my prior message, but at any rate I've gone ahead and move it to mainspace per your request. It still needs the standard post-AfC cleanup. _signed, Rosguill 21:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I see that you all have worked this out. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Activist and personal attacks

MelanieN, would you please review Activist's recent behaviors. I recently removed an edit here ] as UNDUE. Activist reverted the edit with an edit comment "Undid Springee's latest whitewashing"]. They followed this with similar comments on the article talk page "This is well sourced, notable material that Springee has removed. He does this regularly, whitewashing articles about right-wing political figures, so this is no surprise."]. The editor has been previously warned about such behavior ], and your own warning here ] (I think the section header is broken). I think the accusations of bad faith have gone too far. Would you please offer a suggest for handling this? Springee (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I think Activist is right (though they might have worded that better), and your removal appears to me to be part of a pattern that looks like whitewashing. Maybe that's not your motivation, but that appears to be the effect of many of your edits. Without looking at your edits, we can guess the likely bias. If it weren't properly sourced, you'd have at least one policy leg to stand on, but here you don't. It just smacks of misusing UNDUE weight as an excuse, and I see UNDUE being misused so much by so many that I almost wish we deprecated it, and I only rarely refer to it, and only for obvious cases. That's my impression. I have no intention of making a case out of this, but you should know that impressions are out there, and I doubt that Activist is the only one with eyes. I certainly have my own biases, but I'm very careful with properly-sourced content. It appears that the deleted content has been restored and backed up with more RS. -- Valjean (talk) 16:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, no. We can debate if this material is DUE. I don't think it is and I think it smacks of RECENT to run around and add such content when the total picture of what did or did not happen is not clear. I removed the content as UNDUE and RECENT. Is this really going to be what we will want in the article 10 years from now? Regardless, that doesn't matter. Others disagreed and restored it with additional sourcing which does at least help address UNDUE (if not RECENT). All that is fine and part of the editorial process. Accusing editors of "whitewashing" after prior warnings is not supposed to be part of the process. Activist is welcome to dispute my reasons on the talk page but this is far from the first time they have been warned about this sort of personal attack. That is the part that needs to stop. Springee (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Not sorry. Yes. You've been deleting material that refers to Schlapp's behavior 20 years ago, or maybe you're Methusala, and so it's recent to you. I just restored a removed Wikilink to the Brooks Brothers Riot. Activist (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Please be clear when making accusations against me. It reads like you are accusing me of removing a link to the Brooks Brothers Riot. That appears to be recently added material ] suspiciously added by a new editor with one edit. They didn't include a link when first added so why would you suggest someone removed it? The name calling just illustrates my concern. We don't have to agree but CIVIL is policy. Incidentally, why would you thank me for the Schlapp edit if you wanted to revert it?] Springee (talk) 16:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Now you're inferring I'm involved in sockpuppetry, Springee? I'm afraid not. Melanie can probably check the IP for the User who left that edit. I'd assumed it was a shard of prior edits that you'd removed before, and the Brooks Brothers Riot didn't have a Wikilink. You'll notice that the edit was not well written, used the British spelling for the word "organize" (organise), and MelanieN can probably check the IP address for that editor, which would give her a location for it. By the way, CFredkin was finally blocked for sockpuppetry, and not the obvious COI and paid editing he was doing. Activist (talk) 17:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

What? Where did I accuse you of being a sock? Since you are accusing me of removing the BB Riot link can you show where it was first added? I have no idea who CFredkin is. I don't see any CFredkin edits on the Schlapp page going back to mid 2015]. Honestly many of your accusations are hard to follow. For example here you say I've been "Wikistalking for years"]. Did we have any interactions prior to March of this year? Springee (talk) 17:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

There's nothing like expressing concern about questionable behavior only to be met with more of the same right here on an admin's TP, and without any diffs to support their aspersions against Springee. It goes beyond the pale. I can understand why Americans are a little edgy but it doesn't excuse PAs and incivility on WP. Springee, you did the right thing so let MelanieN handle it now. Atsme 💬 📧 18:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

User:Activist, you were warned against casting aspersions against other people as long ago as 2017, when you accused User:Niteshift36 of COI. I see you are still at it. You know that accusing other editors of wrongdoing is not allowed here, except in a formal setting such as AN or ANI, with evidence. If you feel that User:Springee is not editing in a neutral manner, or is wikistalking you, you could report them to ANI; maybe User:Valjean would support you. But I don’t recommend it unless you have a lot stronger evidence; your accusations would probably boomerang. What you must NOT do is keep accusing them of such things in edit summaries, or on article talk pages (where the rule is: discuss the content, not other editors). BTW Springee did not accuse you of sockpuppetry, and no, I can’t check IP addresses - I am not a checkuser. Activist, I will put a formal warning on your page about casting aspersions, and that will be the end of my involvement, unless people bring me evidence that you are still accusing Springee or other people inappropriately. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. I could fill a page with his repeated allegations of COI, without evidence, that he has continually refused to take to ANI. Maybe it'll actually sink in this time. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• I had warned him about this myself, two years ago. I just gave him a final warning. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Apparent error with new subsection heading

Re this, I don't think the !votes that followed the "Comment" referred to the comment, but rather to your original proposal. The only thing that clearly applies to the comment is the "Yes" from user JohndanR. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I think you're right, Mandruss. I have fixed it. Thanks for the nudge. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Personal attacks

There was a recent discussion on Talk:Hurricane Eta page whether or not something should be included on the Hurricane Eta page and when I voiced my opinion on the matter, I was personally attacked. This is the third or fourth time I've been personally attacked in the past two weeks, with the others being on the Talk:Hurricane Zeta and my own talk page. I let them go at first since they were new editors and other editors helped me, but this last one was by an administrator, who also claimed that I "didn't know how to debate," which I find HIGHLY offensive. Can this please be looked into?

Thanks in advance! ChessEric (talk · contribs) 04:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

None of what I wrote there could be construed as a personal attack. Maybe I was being harsh with the debate references, but it seems that if anything, ChessEric is the one who is being unreasonable here. I'm not even an administrator. If there is a civility problem here, if anything, it'd be the WP:SHOUT'ing of ChessEric in that discussion, a comment in which they did not even try to rebut my latest arguments. It is also rude for User:ChessEric to come here without the courtesy of pinging me. For my part, I'm disengaging from discussions with them on the talk page; I will for now only be replying to others.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, User:ChessEric. I took a look at the most recent posts on the Hurricane Eta article. I see you and User:Jasper Deng disagreeing. I see him calling you “wrong, just wrong” and “dead wrong”, and accusing you of “not even bothering to do research about KAC”. You immediately accused him of “criticizing or attacking” you. He got a little nasty or sarcastic with “I'm sorry that it's unreasonable to expect you to satisfy the burden of proof for your claims.” You replied “that was just disrespectul”, adding that you “will not stand for personal attacks” and would report it. So I guess your note here is your report of “personal attacks”. IMO that’s an exaggeration. Jasper got a little heated but basically kept the discussion about content - as it is supposed to be. I am hereby reminding Jasper to discuss content, not other editors; you can disagree and cite your evidence without unnecessary language like “dead wrong”. You are planning to disengage with ChessEric and that may be a good idea, at least in the short term. I am hereby suggesting to you, ChessEric, that you be less thin-skinned; don’t be so eager to escalate from “that was disrespectful” to a federal case. Don't be so quick to take offense. Stay focused on the content issues and on supporting your opinions with evidence.

I see there has been a lot of strong disagreement at recent hurricane articles and user talk pages, involving more than just the two of you - people hurling accusations at each other and deleting each other’s posts. I encourage everyone to become a little less combative, less focused on how other people are behaving. Focus on the content and the evidence, and you’ll be fine. Remember why we are all here: to build an encyclopedia. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

No worries

I've already been given a 48 hours vacation from the Trump article. I've no intentions of further trying to restore the longstanding practice, until a consensus for it emerges, if it does. PS: Myself & Mandruss haven't been seeing eye-to-eye lately (don't know what's changed), but anyways... GoodDay (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Transition_Integrity_Project

Can I ask why you prefer straight quotes to typographical or ″smart quotes″? You have repeatedly replaced them on https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Transition_Integrity_Project

Mbierman (talk) 00:04, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. As I pointed out on the article talk page (maybe you didn't get the ping), Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style says to use straight quotes and not curly quotes; see Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Quotation characters. They need to be changed back to straight quotes; do you want to self-revert or shall I fix them? -- MelanieN (talk) 00:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Since you haven't responded I have gone ahead and restored the straight quotation marks. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't get your ping, sorry about that.

Discussion about First Lady and Second Gentleman-designate titles in infoboxes of Jill Biden and Doug Emhoff

Please join a discussion here regarding whether the terms "First Lady of the United States Designate" and "Second Gentleman of the United States Designate" should be in the infoboxes of Jill Biden and Doug Emhoff, spouses of the president-elect and vice president-elect, respectively. We need to come to a consensus. Thank you for your participation. cookie monster (2020) 755 21:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Closing edit requests

Edit requests are not discussions, by definition, especially when there is no commenting after the "answer". A separate closure is usually redundant, and doing one gives others the impression that it's necessary. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to make it easier for them to be sent to archive. And to indicate, on that overstuffed talk page, that "this is one you can ignore". Will they be archived promptly anyhow? -- MelanieN (talk) 18:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Per #13, edit requests may be manually archived 24 hours after the "answer" (no closure required). It also says, "provided there has been no follow-on discussion after the 'answer'", which was an attempt to allow constructive discussion of the "answer". That's been problematic, in my opinion, because a lot of the follow-on discussion is inappropriate or inconsequential and shouldn't affect early archival. In any case, we generally don't need a close for an edit request. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, I won't do any more. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Legislative Council of Hong Kong

The vandal by IP starts all the way from 13 Nov, is that still "not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection"? -AINH (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

• And btw he just reverted again-AINH (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, AINH. I see one reverted IP edit on the 22nd, and one from today that has not been reverted. Before that there was one on the 17th that wasn’t reverted until the 21st, and before that several on the 13th, 14th and 15th. I might have protected for a few days at that time, but in order to apply protection we have to see significant RECENT vandalism. (For my own philosophy on when and how to protect pages, see User:MelanieN/Page protection.) If it continues at the rate of several a day, or multiple over a few recent days, you could ask again at RFPP. BTW you should put a note on the article talk page, explaining why you are reverting - why you believe your version is correct and the IP changes are wrong. It will strengthen your evidence that the other edits are disruptive, if you have attempted to discuss at the talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

• U:ChongTsz had already given multiple sources, the IP just won't listen-AINH (talk) 21:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

AINH, don't tell me. That does you no good. Say it on the article talk page. And INCLUDE the sources. Believe me, this is necessary. It will establish who is editing in good faith and who is not. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Re: your changes on Sidney Powell

Your changes to the lede made it cumbersome, wordy, and mealy-mouthed. There is no reason to go into detail about Trump's dissatisfaction with Powell's coverage on Fox News, and also no reason to write a sentence about how two publications have called her theories conspiracy theories. We can call these theories conspiracy theories in wikipedia's voice, because a consensus of RS (as well as a consensus of editors on the talk page) say they are.

More generally, please refer to the debate in the talk page for Powell, before making such substantive edits to the lede. We have achieved consensus on the talk page, that the final paragraph of the lede will describe Powell's promotion of conspiracy theories. The only debate is whether we will call her a "conspiracy theorist" in the first sentence of the lede. (For example, the admin Gorillawarfare disagrees with calling Powell a conspiracy theorist, but agrees that we should have the last paragraph be structured around her promotion of conspiracy theories, especially about the 2020 election.) Thanks. CozyandDozy (talk) 21:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I’m not sure what you are talking about. Aside from a few minor tweaks, all I did was move a few sentences - WITHOUT CHANGING THEM - into what I believed to be more logical positions. I see that since then they have been rearranged again, to put all the conspiracy theories into one paragraph. But none of the detail was my doing. In particular, the "coverage on Fox News" material had been in the lead for at least 24 hours when I moved that material, and you can see from the diff above that it was already there when I moved the sentence. That's all for my talk page. I will join the discussion at the article talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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I'm pretty sure she was joking 👀 but jokes aside, thanks for the explanation, makes sense. --qedk (t 愛 c) 20:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I see now that it says that in the first sentence of the invitation. I had pretty much forgotten about that alternate account, which I use only when traveling - and who is traveling nowadays? Anyhow, yes, I was joking, but you never know these days. Maybe the vote would not be certified until this issue was resolved. Did she vote twice? Throw out all the ballots! I wonder how many notices User:Bishonen gets? I think it should be Bishzilla that votes. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Bishzilla among others, Melanie. The issue is quite profoundly discussed on my own page and Floquenbeam's. Bishonen | tålk 21:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

Definitely worth a read. The mere idea of Bishzilla and Floquenstein's Monster having offspring is enough to make me hide under the bed. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Then you should have a stiff drink before reading this, Melanie. It's way old, but still.. pretty scary. Bishonen | tålk 22:53, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

Request protection for Jens Erik Gould page again

Melanie, could you protect Jens Erik Gould's page again? The current person has reverted the article for Jens Erik Gould multiple times within 24 hours, despite requests to discuss the changes on the Talk page. Also, changes demonstrably are opinion of the editor's, and have messed up other citations in the process. I will request at the usual page if you prefer, instead of here. WmLawson (talk) 01:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, WmLawson. I have semi-protected it for two months this time. Probably some sockpuppetry going on along with the BLP violations. -- MelanieN (talk) 05:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Melanie, can you actually read the article and all the sources provided? Anyone with common sense can see that the user above has an agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letsgivethiscontext (talk • contribs) 06:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Letsgivethiscontext, the place to discuss the content is the article talk page. Be sure to supply sources that support your position, and to focus on what the article should say rather than attacking the motives of other editors.. -- MelanieN (talk) 06:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggested change to 2020 United States presidential election

You changed "yes" to "no" without addressing the suggested change I wanted to do in the first paragraph in the article on 2020 United States presidential election. I did not suggest any change to the part of the sentence which already states the information you found wasn't noteworthy. I wanted to add information about how Trump did in the election. Please read again. Skoyt (talk) 16:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I answered at the article talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Song that Doesn’t End

You need to fix the page for Lambchops song that doesn’t end. You have the lyrics wrong. Do a simple YouTube search and listen to the song. Kplummer08 (talk) 09:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

This comment should be made at the article's talk page, not here. Be sure to offer a link to a source for your opinion; I see there are several online. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

User:MTATransitFan

user:olsen24 is sockpuppeting as user:MTATransitFan and is persistently vandalizing MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet. SportsFan007 (talk) 22:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Hold up, what? I'm not sockpuppeting! I was the one trying to ban Olsen's sock. I'm also not vandalising, just fixing either wrong names or wrong info (there have been quite a few new buses delivered recently.) Best, MTATransitFan 23:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

User:SportsFan007, in the first place, User:MTATransitFan is very unlikely to be a sockpuppet. They have been here since June and have more than 1000 edits. But if you seriously think they are, and have evidence, you should report them at WP:SPI, not accuse them on a talk page. In the second place, do not describe their edits as vandalism, because they are not. They are a content dispute, a point on which the two of you disagree. The two of you need to work it out on the article’s talk page, and provide evidence for your version in the form of references. You must not edit war by reverting each other at the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Douglas V. Mastriano article

Your semi-protection of the Douglas V. Mastriano article (the third such protection) has expired, and within the same day two new WP:SPAs have started editing the article in ways that concern me. I believe you are quite familiar with the situation, and I note the prior discussions at Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive266#Douglas V. Mastriano, Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive302#Disruption at Douglas V. Mastriano and Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Majorbuxton/Archive. Also a ping to Hyderabad22 and Eggishorn. — BarrelProof (talk) 23:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected for two months. If you think the two new accounts are socks I'll leave it up to you whether to report them at SPI. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC) P.S. Thanks for the links to the previous discussions and actions, very helpful! -- MelanieN (talk) 00:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Yes, I suspect sockpuppetry, but I'm not very familiar with the reporting process and haven't yet done a careful review of the similarity of those edits to others. I do see some similarity between one of the new edits an an older one, but I won't get more specific about it to avoid a potential privacy issue. I haven't yet restored some of what was deleted, as I'm not yet sure whether restoring it would be appropriate. — BarrelProof (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, Hyderabad22 was pretty comfortable with filing SPI reports. But these two accounts are so new - just a few edits apiece, and now prevented by semi-protection from doing even that - that it might not be worth pursuing; there might not be enough evidence to make the case. At this point the article will not be subject to questionable edits, at least not by new or unregistered users, and that meets the main goal. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with BarrelProof based upon the nature of the edits and my familiarity with the previous kinds of edits the sockpuppets had done. I think a checkuser request would be appropriate. Insisting on reinserting the medals section has been a particular point all sockpuppets were concerned with if I recall correctly. Would you like some help building a case here BarrelProof? Hyderabad22 (talk) 07:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hyderabad22, thanks for your note. If you two want to build an SPI case, I'd ask you to do it somewhere else rather than on my talk page. You could use one of your own talk pages, or create a "User:Yourname/subpage" for it. You could even work it out by email if you'd rather do it off-wiki. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, BarrelProof I just went ahead and reopened a SPI for the two accounts. Based on the use of the exact same citation in the exact same incorrect way in the reinserted medals section I think this a pretty open and shut case. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Majorbuxton Hyderabad22 (talk) 07:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hyderabad22, I see that you didn't request checkuser. I think you should. The evidence via diffs in this case strong but limited; also, a checkuser search can help to reveal sleeper accounts. Actually, I think I will go there and suggest it, but you should be the one to change "checkuser=no" to "yes" in your filing request. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC) Never mind. Now that I look at the archive, I see that checkuser was declined in the past because the original account is so old. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Question, though: I see you listed PolandSpring as a suspected sock but did not provide any evidence. You did provide evidence linking Xenophon to DrWillow who was blocked in the previous case, suggesting a link there, but I don't see much/anything against PolandSpring. I suggest you take another look at this report. Meanwhile I'm going to ping User:Wugapodes since they have evaluated this situation once before; they were the one who blocked DrWillow and the others in the earlier case based on behavioral evidence. Wug, any thoughts this time? -- MelanieN (talk) 16:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, I'll respond at the current SPI — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Deletion request

Hi Melanie. You're an admin, right? Would you mind deleting File:President Trump Presents the Medal of Freedom to Lou Holtz.jpg? It is a copy of an image which is already in Commons. Thanks. Mgasparin (talk) 22:32, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mgasparin. Sorry, but you should ask someone who regularly deals with files. I don't. (Maybe one of my stalkers will do it?) -- MelanieN (talk) 22:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

That's fine. It seems someone else already got to it. Mgasparin (talk) 01:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft Review Request

Dear Melanie,

Could you please review the Draft AKL and provide your valuable inputs on resubmission of the Draft please. Few editors helped me to add additional details and references to the page. I'm learning and I shall keep working to get the page better. Please advise, Thank you so much.Adapongaiya (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Adapongaiya, and thanks for the note. I am not a new page reviewer, so when you are ready to submit it as an article you should use the regular "Finished drafting? Submit for review!" button. I see that you have added some filmography and references since April so that is good. I just have a couple of comments, things that need to be fixed before you submit the article for review:

• The issue of his name needs to be explained. You title the article with all three names, but in the lead sentence and the infobox you call him Ashwin Kumar L. That is a version of his name I did not see in the references I checked. In the two Times of India references, this one refers to him in the headline as Ashwin Kumar and then by all three names in the article text. This one refers to him simply as Ashwin. So does this. So does this. In an internet search I could not find a consistent use. He seem to use "Ashwin Kumar L" primarily in Twitter and Facebook. Even there, he cites movies that refer to him as Ashwin Kumar.
• What is his relationship, if any, with the actor Ashwin Kumar? Are they the same, or are they two different people? We have a full article here for Ashwin Kumar, but his filmography seems to be quite different from AKL's so I am guessing they are different people. Are they related? That needs to be cleared up. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Melanie for the follow up. It means a lot to me.

• Since we have many 'Ashwin Kumar' in the industry, I have used his full name - Ashwin Kumar Lakshmikanthan (To be unique, where Lakshmikanthan is his surname).Yes, you are absolutely correct, as you have identified many of the articles covering his body of work refer to him as Ashwin Kumar or Ashwin or Ashwin Kumar L. He seems to be using "@Ashwinkumar_ak" for his IG and "Ashwin Kumar L" for FB and Twitter. As you had advised me earlier, I would like to be very careful this time and get it right. Probably I can add a picture to ensure correct identity ? If you have any other suggestions, please let me know.

• Also, he has no relationship with the actor Ashwin Kumar. They are not related. They are two different people. (Adapongaiya (talk) 23:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC))

Adapongaiya, I think you should use the full three parts of his name in the first sentence and in the infobox. That's what the article is titled, and most sources don't use the "L" format. You could add (sometimes known as Ashwin Kumar L) to the first sentence if you want. As for a picture, I doubt if you could find a picture that we can use. You can't just take a picture from the internet, because they are all copyrighted and we are not allowed to use copyrighted material. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Melanie. As suggested, I have updated the first sentence and the infobox to use the full three parts of his name and I am not uploading a picture. Could you please check now. Thanks again (Adapongaiya (talk) 02:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC))

That was all I had to advise. If you think it is ready you can submit it for review. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:08, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Melanie - Sorry to ask you this, I'm nervous. Is the draft ok or needs some more working, your thoughts please.(Adapongaiya (talk) 04:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC))

That's all I can help with. If you feel like you need more advice before submitting, I would suggest you ask someone who knows Hindi or Tamil, since I assume that is what many of the references are in. @QEDK, Tito Dutta, and SpacemanSpiff: this is a new user who needs help with a draft; do you have any suggestions? Maybe help with references, maybe suggestions about how to handle the fact discussed above that there is another actor with a very similar name? -- MelanieN (talk) 04:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe the references pass WP:GNG. Going to the SNG WP:ACTOR, there's one major role in a six month long soap opera (rest are uncredited roles/cameos in films). The two references (Tamil) in Dinamalar are about him but not in-depth, more like page fillers. At this point, I don't think he passes the SNG either. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Does not meet GNG and can be barely construed to pass SNG (I can't read the Tamil sources), in any case, I doubt this will survive AfD if given the chance. --qedk (t 愛 c) 11:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Melanie and Spaceman, I shall keep working. Good day! (Adapongaiya (talk) 15:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)).

Barnstar

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Thank you! -- MelanieN (talk) 01:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Lake Murray (California)

Hi Melanie - it's been a while. Hope all's well. Would you mind re-protecting the Lake Murray page? Not 2 days after the protection lapsed, we get this edit. Odd folks out there! Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 01:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Dohn Joe, nice to see you! I gave it indefinite PC this time. This is a longstanding problem, and clearly they were just waiting to resume their game - after a full year of PC protection they knew the very date when they could resume! Thanks for the suggestion. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Melanie - have a good holiday season. And if you go to Lake Murray, beware the mermaids! :) Dohn joe (talk) 16:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Dohn joe: Have you considered the possibility that it might be a mermaid making the changes? After all, On the Internet, nobody knows you're a mermaid. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thom Huge protection

Hello, I wonder why the page Thom Huge must be fully protected rather than semi-protected (since the AfDs were undone by IPs in both instances). Or would WP:ECP work better, since that wasn't an option back in 2015? -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 16:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Brainulator, thanks for the note. Wow, that one really goes back into the archives! Yes, I can reduce it to ECP. Were you planning to expand this redirect into an article or something? I'm sure you're aware that this subject failed AfD three times, but the last was five years ago and you might have new information. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- MelanieN (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I am aware of the AfDs, and I have no new information. I just thought that the protection was, in light of later technological developments, a bit overboard. (I just was browsing Garfield stuff.) I was more interested in general gnomery with adding categories and tags to redirects. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 18:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Good for you. Misplaced Pages would be in serious trouble without its gnomes. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

kokborok alphabet

kokborok alphabet is a tripuri peoples language script. tripuri people a new invent script by MR.Dhirendra Debbarma, 2018 but this script wrote by new testament bible kokborok languag. Past tripura history background check out manikya king of tripura at 14 centuary reply me. Donald128 (talk) 10:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Donald128. I deleted your article on this subject, because there is no evidence that this alphabet is actually in use. You previously added something about this script to the article Kokborok. But it was removed, because you could not supply any references. This alphabet was invented two years ago, in 2018. Clearly it has not become an accepted script at this time. You can make a suggestion at Talk:Kokborok, saying you think this script should be mentioned in the article. But do not add it to the article again yourself, and do not create the separate article again. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Ewart Potgieter

Hi. Would you please unsalt Ewart Potgieter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and move Ewart Potgieter (rugby union) to its place? I've closed the RM at Talk:Ewart Potgieter (rugby union), it's about an entirely different person than the original 2015 article. No such user (talk) 11:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- MelanieN (talk) 17:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding the protection on Destiny Etiko

Hello MelanieN. In regard to the protection for Destiny Etiko I think you may have been misled. Only one IP once attempted to make a change to DOB w/o explanation. I reverted that edit and then examined the sources to try to resolve the correct DOB. The article cited multiple conflicting sources for DOB, some of which are not reliable (one is a wiki mirror site and thus WP:CIRCULAR). I changed the DOB based on the other available sources. The change made was in good faith and with an explanation. The editor requesting the protection disputed those edits, which is fine. I immediately started a discussion on the talk page which has now resolved the competing views and decided on the most reliable source, the matter is settled, and the consensus is now reflected in the article. No one has attempted to change DOB since consensus was reached and the talk page discussion provides a good history of the debate, which, hopefully, will head off any future attempts to change DOB. In my opinion, there was and is no need for protection on this article (this might be a case of WP:OWNBEHAVIOR). This was a good faith content dispute that has been resolved. – 108.56.139.120 (talk) 06:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I see that agreement has been reached and the article has been edited to reflect that agreement. I don't see any other recent issues with the article so I have removed the protection. Thanks for calling this to my attention. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

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Michael Bloomberg protection

Hi MelanieN, hope all is well. Looks like I undid your semi-protection over at Michael Bloomberg. I reinstated your previous protection, I apologize for that. Thanks and Happy New Years! -- LuK3 (Talk) 21:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

LOL, that one falls under the heading of "Great minds think alike"! We must have protected within seconds of each other. No problem at all. And I have revdel'ed the vandalism edits. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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WMBQ-CD full protection for one year

Hi, I was taking a look at the article about WMBQ-CD, and I respect the decision to protect the page for one year. However, I think protection for one year may have been too long, because so far there have been no attempts by the warring parties for some time to discuss the article on the talk page. Please consider unprotecting the article as I believe it has become stale. Is there any other solution? P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, P,TO 19104, and thanks for your note. Regarding so far there have been no attempts by the warring parties for some time to discuss the article on the talk page, that is exactly why it is protected. I had no intention of leaving it full-protected for a year, just for long enough to get people to discuss on the talk page and reach agreement. I thought that would prompt the two combatants to talk it out, but they haven't. User:Sammi Brie tried to get them to discuss in mid-December; the two combatants were pinged and I put personal notices on their user talk pages; no result. Let's try this: I will unprotect it as an experiment and watchlist the page. If the warring resumes, I will choose between re-protecting it, or issuing partial-blocks from the page. @Tvstationfan101 and BlueboyLINY: I am going to unprotect the page. The article should stay in its current format - which was the longstanding version until Tvstationfan started changing it back in July - unless and until the two of you agree on a change. Tvstationfan, this means you: if you change it without an agreement first, I will give you a partial-block from editing that page. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response and consideration. I will do my best to ensure that the warring parties do not repeat their same mistakes. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @P,TO 19104 and MelanieN: I've made some of the changes I suggested and also cleaned up other issues (mostly poor English in a couple sections) that were not addressed by either of the other editors, as well as some obvious inconsistencies. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Thomas McElwee

Hi Melanie. Could I ask why you applied pending changes instead of the requested semi-protection to Thomas McElwee? Pending changes does not stop the disruptive editing, does not save the time of editors reverting the disruption, and does not encourage the IP editors to engage in discussion on the talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 02:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, DuncanHill. I agree that PC can be a pain. You don't ever want to use it on heavily edited articles. But in that article the problem edits are spread out over time - persistent, but not frequent enough to justify semi-protection. That's the kind of situation PC protection was made for. Because it is less restrictive than semi-protection, you can apply it for months instead of days. If there is a sudden burst of vandalism, it is possible to add short-term semi-protection on top of the PC, and the PC will survive after the semi-protection expires. You can see my philosophy - how I decide what kind of protection to apply and when - at User:MelanieN/Page protection. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any benefit to PC on this article though. It doesn't stop vandalism, it doesn't save any work for those who patrol pages subject to this sort of disruption, it doesn't push IP users to the talk page. There's no point trying to message mobile IP users as they never receive the messages. I haven't managed to find a single constructive IP edit to the article after one or two in 2007. Most of the article history is IPs or disposable accounts violating WP:DERRY and then being reverted, and as we have seen it happened again within a few hours of PC being applied. It needs a longish term of semi protection.

Well, you are welcome to list it again at RFPP and see if some other administrator finds that it does qualify for long term semi-protection. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC) P.S. You are right that PC does not do anything to lessen the load for regular editors. The one thing it does is, it prevents the IP edit from being visible in the encyclopedia article until it is approved. When PC protection was devised a few years ago, it was designed to be a way of sort-of protecting articles that don't get problem edits often enough to qualify for semi-protection. Protection is supposed to be assigned based on RECENT problems. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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NYC TV Stations

Since I follow a couple users talk pages (we have interacted in the past), I have noticed a pattern between Tvstationfan101, Mvcg66b3r, and ‎BlueboyLINY. Neither of these edits can get along with each other. Currently the latter two are engaged in a slow-moving edit war on WRNN-TV. I think a content block and a interaction block is needed, at least temporarily, maybe 3 months. Then, after 3, let them edit and if they can get along, cool. If they can't, make it 6 or just permanent. Cause clearly they are not editing constructively now and short of complete site-wide blocks, which I don't think are necessary (yet), I think this is the best way to go. I leave this in your hands, I am just an outside pair of eyes, you are the admin. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:41 on January 7, 2021 (UTC) • #WearAMask • #BlackLivesMatter