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Public Announcement

This is most likely the last time that I address to fellow wikipedians. For some of you who have been following my contributions closely, you may have noticed a significant drop in recent edits. Yup, you're right, I'm officially outta here. I wouldn't rule out some occasional, random edits if I'm in the mood but you probably have seen the last of Bonafide Hustla.

I gotta admit I'm not the best editor on here "temperament-wise". But it should be noted that many Taiwan-related articles are gang-patrolled by Chinese editors, some of them admins. Sadly, no one is willing to take on the case. The other issue is User:Centrx disregard official blocking policy and abuse of admin power. He also move page without consensus and block me for 1 second (unjustified). Both of these are definitely no-no for admins.

Recently, Bish and Giano both left the project. This only emphasizes obvious flaws of the project. I don't blame Jimbo. His idea is great but it just doesn't work anymore as more and more editors join in.

Anyway, 'nuff said already and this is poorly-written anyway. Jiang and RevolverOcelotX have fun POV pushing all you like. (get a life y'all) I got better things to do. holla--Certified.Gangsta 22:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Have one on me

Sorry to see you go, Boney. :-( Me, I haven't left, I've only determined I'm leaving iff. You know, iff Giano's pushed out. This is not a demonstration on my part, it's simply me not wanting to work in an environment that'll do such a thing. Definitely, absolutely, not wanting to. Have one on me, and here's hoping we all get to stick around no matter how dark it's looking right now. Bishonen | talk 22:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Really appropriate?

Is it really appropriate to accuse other people of POV-pushing in a declaration of departure? Not in the general sense of "there are too many POV-pushers here" but specifically by name. Strikes me as at best incivil and at worst a pointed personal attack. If you are leaving, then tell us you are leaving, don't use that departure as a platform to disparage others from. --tjstrf talk 23:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Warning blank and sockpuppetry accusations

Er, Guardian Tiger, what are you doing? It's absurd and inappropriate to add a {{blatantvandal}} tag to the page of an established user, especially without even telling him what it's about. Bishonen | talk 21:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Apparently, I deleted those unjustified accusation on my talkpage. This is the reason why I'm outta herre. Too many editors are gaming the rules and playing around with semantics.--Certified.Gangsta 02:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I glanced through both Guardian and RevolverOcelotX's contribs, and though they do seem to be on similar subjects nothing in particular seemed to scream SOCKPUPPET at me, though I suppose it's possible. But there's an easy way to resolve this one: Certified.Gangsta provides some diffs proving that he is grounded in his suspicions that Guardian Tiger is a sockpuppet. If he's right, then he was justified in blanking the warning, Guardian's been giving out vengeful talk page warnings and needs blocked as a sockpuppet, etc. If Gangsta can't provide the specific evidence, then Guardian's warning was justified, and Gangsta's just continuing his pattern of disruptively blanking warning messages. --tjstrf talk 02:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Great, someone's here. I'm not gonna fish out diffs. It's just too time-consuming. I'm leaving this place anyway, just don't want ppl messing with my talkpage. Anyway, look at Bruce Lee's history and a whole bunch of other japan, taiwan, or china related articles. It is just too obvious. Look at, Nlu's talkpage, Guardian just implied his a sockpuppet. Wow, new updates, Guardian just started to spam every single involved user's talkpage, it really reminds me of another user, wait it's the same guy, same method.--Certified.Gangsta 02:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Having an edit war about comments and templates on a user's talkpage makes no sense, especially when there's no live dispute going on anywhere except on the page itself. Whether active or departing, unless there were some serious abuse going on, an editor is entitled to leave or remove whatever he or she wants on the editor's own talkpage. Newyorkbrad 04:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I would just like to add that I agree with Certified.Gangsta. The "allegations" are obvious beyond a doubt. All somebody has to do is look at the evidence, and ignore the tantrums by the Gaurdian Tiger user. I put up a User Check based upon the fact the page was totally reverted (yes I do mean totally) to a banned users edit. The user Paper Tiger "defended" himself by doing a user check upon me. Although I hadn't done an edit in about a months time he accused me of vandalism and stuck a 3RR on my page. It is a laborious project to compile diffs of edits and personally I felt I was brushed aside without real reasoning. After my request was ignored, I realised by taking part in the endeavor was a lesson in maturity and responsibility. I can't blame the owner of this page for his decision to leave. I don't know about anyone else but I don't have the time to try to win an immaturity contest with a 16 year old H4X0r. I hope everything works out for you and good luck. - ShuckyDucky 04:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I left a message on Guardian Tiger's talk page about two or three days ago. He removed it and I reposted it. He stopped editing for at least two days now after making margin edits on a few of the pages I regularly edit. Here's the message I left on his/her talk page:

" Do you also control the user accounts User:Apocalyptic Destroyer and User:RevolverOcelotX? I kind of grew suspicious when the accounts started editing each other pages. For example, your very second edit was to remove a sockpuppet report for Apocalyptic Destroyer and RevolverOcelotX .

Also, both you and RevolverOcelotX file the same requests for checking on Certified.Gangsta multiple times with various admins.

Guardian Tiger:

RevolverOcelotX:

There more, but that's going to take some time to find them all. ShuckyDucky filed checkuser requests, for the same reasons.

Sorry if this sounds rude, but I had a growing suspicion for a while. "

He/she has not responded yet, so I can't hear his side. Either way, I think it's bad practice to go around tagging accounts as sockpuppets. Find the diffs before making allegations is a good rule to practice.
Anyways, I hope you decide to stay with Misplaced Pages. Take a wikibreak to get rid of some stress and come back when you're ready. Misplaced Pages is suppose to be fun, so make it fun! =D Jumping cheese 10:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I find it virtually impossible that a checkuser will be accepted if "I" am the one filing the checkuser because Revolver will likely bring up those disrupting tactics to the checkuser page. (see , which was rejected due to Revolver's disruption on the page) What I need is someone, hopefully an established editor, to file the checkuser after doing some investigation. I mean, it isn't that hard to notice these 4 users are the same person and the evidence is apparent. One thing Revolver doesn't realize is his sock, User:RaGnaRoK SepHír0tH, is banned, which means any future socks/sleeper socks are ban-evading socks and should and would be block on sight. Anyway, I will appreciate if an admin make a decisive decision to block him indef. based on his contributions (this way a checkuser needn't to be filed) or an established, respected member of the community request a checkuser after some investigation on the issue.--Certified.Gangsta 19:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's obvious, then it's not for CheckUser. Forget about CheckUser, Boney. I have now reverted some further posting by Guardian Tiger on this page and talked with him. He won't post here again, but he asked me to, in turn, make you stop adding the sock template to his userpage. Well, I hereby request you to stop that. Even if you feel sure you're right about the puppetry, it's a poor idea to keep unilaterally re-adding the tag. Get more eyes involved, please. I suggest you ask Nlu, that I see you've already written to, to specifically review whether or not the sock tag is justifed on the User:Guardian Tiger page, and to be the one to add it if he thinks it is. As an admin, he also has the power to protect the page, if he thinks it appropriate. Bishonen | talk 19:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

I did stop. I mean, that's what Bunch told me to do. Just because the template is there while he's not blocked doesn't help anyway. There's no point putting the template there if y'all admins don't do anything about it. And as for Nlu, he doesn't wanna get involved. I feel defeated, all of my edits are reverted my that fucking sockpuppet (I"m gonna use that word 'cause that what he deserves) and no one gives a fuck about it. If there's no checkuser, admins won't block him. When I seek help from Nlu, Bish, or other admins, he go around spamming their pages and then people gonna be like both of y'all gotta calm down. Well, that's fucked up because I'm trying to report him and get him blocked since he's a ban-evading sock then people thought it's just another dispute between 2 idiots. I've said I'm outta here but I'm not gonna go quietly. As far as I'm concerned he is a sock of User:RaGnaRoK SepHír0tH, a ban user and should be block on sight. As long as justice is not done, I'm gonna be here. This is a disgrace on wikipedia that a ban-evading sockpuppet can be here for this long and admins just standing idly watching him destroying others edits. In case you didn't notice, he just wrote a whole bunch of personal attacks against me on the checkuser page. I told ya I don't wanna go against him by myself but no one listens. --Certified.Gangsta 22:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Guardian Tiger Timeline

The following timeline does not include previous misconducts by User:RevolverOcelotX and User:RaGnaRoK SepHír0tH (who is indef. blocked), who is the same person as Guardian Tiger. The events are in chronological order.

January 3-Announced I will be leaving wikipedia shortly in response to User:Centrx unjustified 1 second block, unadmin-like conducts, and the lack of response from other administrators. ].

January 3-Discovered the newest sockpuppet of User:RevolverOcelotX, User:Guardian Tiger. Contacted admin User:Nlu and urged him to block this ban evading sock (it is ban-evading because one of the socks,User:RaGnaRoK SepHír0tH, is banned from editing indefinitely) without checkuser. ]

January 4-User:Nlu suggested WP:AIV. I wanted User:Nlu to investigate and be the one who file the checkuser. ]

January 4-Another sleeper sock, User:Apocalyptic Destroyer, discovered. Contacted User:Nlu, providing some evidence for my reasoning such as the extensive edits in Bruce Lee, hostility toward Japan and Taiwan, etc. Again User:Nlu wanted me to file the checkuser. ]

January 4-User:Nlu promised to take a look at this. I thanked him and reminded him of User:PoolGuy, who was notorious for sockpuppet abuse. A dispute User:Nlu was actively involved in. ] Note that until now, User:Guardian Tiger seemed to be away and no spamming took place. I also did not revert any of his POV edits while waiting for him to get blocked.

January 4-Sockpuppet tags were introduced by me on the userpage of User:Guardian Tiger and User:Apocalyptic Destroyer for the purpose of bring admins attentions into the issue. ] ]

January 5-6 No activity

January 7-I did not log-in that day. User:Guardian Tiger returned from his break and noticed the sockpuppet tag on his userpage. He responded by posting several warnings on my talkpage. ] accusing me of a "blatant" vandal. Admin User:Bishonen asked him what it is about. He interpreted the sock tag as vandalism when it is, in fact, factually true.] ]

January 8-I returned from my short-break, discovering those accusations. My position was clear right from the start. I did not wish to have ANY interaction with this user whatsoever. My experience with him in his previous accounts contribute to that. I don't even wanna checkuser him, the situation isn't that complicated to escalate into that level. I just want admin to block him so the issue can be over and done with. It's just that simple. I deleted those accusations and provided an explanation for doing that. ]

January 8-Discovered several articles on my watchlist have been move or distort by User:Guardian Tiger. A page move without consensus ] was reverted by me.

January 8-User:Nlu said he couldn't understand the situation since the whole thing is a big mess. ]. User:Guardian Tiger found the thread on User talk:Nlu and make personal attacks toward me also indirectly admit that he is a sock. ]. I tried to persuade User:Nlu to block User:Guardian Tiger without checkuser since the contributions speak for themselves.

January 8-User:Guardian Tiger stepped up his harassment campaign by re-inserting his unjustified warnings, which was again deleted by me. ]

January 8-Several politically motivated edits by User:Guardian Tiger was reverted by me since the admins were unwilling to label him as a sock without checkuser and the only way to protect articles is to revert his edits. ] ] ] ]

January 8-User:Guardian Tiger re-added warnings on my talkpage and again I removed them several times. ] ]

January 8-I decided to seek help from the community. ] ]

January 8-More harassment from User:Guardian Tiger, starting to run out of patience ] ]