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| "It erupted into a full-scale mutiny that included 70,000 Africans from Carthage's oppressed dependent territories, bringing supplies and finance." The latter clause is a fragment. Suggest changing to "It erupted into a full-scale mutiny that included 70,000 Africans from Carthage's oppressed dependent territories, who brought supplies and finance." --] (]) 08:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| * '''Pic''' – Once again we have a broadly grinning DT juxtaposed with a highly negative blurb about him. – ] (]) 13:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ** Shades of Lugo.--''']'''-''<small>(])</small>'' 13:53, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::<small>Is that a nickname for ]? – ] (]) 14:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
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| **{{tq|Once again ...|q=yes}}: You brought his up . Do you have a new suggestion?—] (]) 13:57, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, this one's not as recent (2017), but at least he's not grinning. →<br>The juxtapositioning mentioned above creates ] – and unintended levity. – ] (]) 14:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Nothing wrong with a little levity.--''']'''-''<small>(])'' 14:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If only we could have the U.S. Capitol last week. – ] (]) 14:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :::: I have substituted the other suggested photo. -- ] | ] 15:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::{{ec}} My thoughts remain the same from 1yr ago: "A change from his official photo—one of him grinning—to either a neutral, pensive, or indignant shot would be projecting social norms on his supposed reaction. But he is unpredictable, so that's not worth pursuing. Moreover, a change from his official, grinning pose could be argued to be an editorial statement of guilt of someone who is perpetually self-confident. As we do have an official photo, which he presumably endorsed, it is the best choice given his situtation."—] (]) 15:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::It should not matter if Trump himself approved a particular image, and his wishes on how he should be depicted are irrelevant here. A change to a petulant and an angry pose is much more likely to be interpreted as an expression of defiance than of guilt because Trump never ever admitted guilt for anything, and everybody knows it. We are not "projecting social norms on his supposed reaction". There are plenty of RS reports on what his reaction to the impeachment conviction was: angry defiance and vengefulness. A picture more reflective of that mood would be much more appropriate than a picture of him grinning. ] (]) 16:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *The substitute picture currently displayed in the is better than the original picture of a grinning Trump. According to all sources, his reaction to the impeachment was anything but jovial, e.g. WaPo report here. I had suggested another image for consideration as well: ] ] (]) 15:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **Here's a couple more pictures below that are more recent and where it actually looks like he's not happy, if you're so inclined. ] ] 18:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| File:President Trump Travels to Texas (50832078876) (cropped).jpg|January 12, 2021 | |||
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| *Our portfolio has expanded since the last impeachment. If we're not going with the official photo, then use a more recent one. I swapped in the 2020.—] (]) 19:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **He sure looks grumpy. This might be off-putting to new readers of Misplaced Pages. Perhaps we should go with a neutral expression?--''']'''-''<small>(])</small>'' 19:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ***]. Any photo is as useful as the others. Pick the one that is the best quality photo. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *Why are we using a less flattering photo of Trump when the official portrait that was there already was more than reasonable? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 19:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *:My choices in order would be 1) official photo 2) otherwise a recent photo in the last year.—] (]) 19:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ** I've swapped it out with the January 12, 2021 shot, which is the most neutral background, most recent, and most generic pose. -- ] | ] 20:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Looks fine to me. <small><s>(Maybe we could warmify the orange tones a bit? — ;-) )</s></small> – ] (]) 22:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I honestly prefer the other two, which seem more neutral. The one being used right now seems really off. ] (]) 04:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Yeah the new photo is absolutely awful. I would normally find humor in the irony of replacing his official portrait with a cropped photo that makes him look as miserable and unflattering as possible in order to avoid "levity", when the person who made the argument proposed an even more bizarre photo of Trump weirdly smirking, and is now joking about editing the image to make Trump look more orange, but this is just an aesthetically offensive, low quality photo for the main page. I don't see anything wrong with using his official photo, indeed it would seem to be the most neutral thing to use, but literally ''any'' of the alternatives proposed here are better quality than the current one. ] <sup>]</sup> 05:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Agreed. I did think this odd when I saw it last night, but decided not to get involved. But since others are also saying so, I agree that we should be using the official photo, as we do in almost every other case, not swapping for some other lower-quality version just because we think he looks too happy. — ] (]) 06:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Restored the original, official portrait per the overwhelming consensus here. ] <sup>]</sup> 08:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: {{u|Swarm}} - Look I don't feel that strongly either way, but to call the above "overwhelming consensus" is really a poor characterization. At least portray it accurately. -- ] | ] 14:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: How many times did the pic have to be changed? ] (]) 11:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| Absurd & ridiculous, i.e. will be subject to global ridicule. – ] (]) 13:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| ::''Très amusant,'' Jay. <br>The present layout is amusingly amateurish. – ] (]) 14:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You've said so, already. Repeating yourself doesn't actually make it so. --]] 15:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::No, I didn't say ''that'' before. Saying I did doesn't make it so. <br>Now, going to offer the last bit of ? Be my guest. – ] (]) 15:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::You've changed the words you've used to express your displeasure. But you've clearly expressed disapproval twice, at 13:38, 15 January 2021 where you used words like "absurd & ridiculous" to express it and 14:40, 15 January 2021 where you used the phrase "amusingly amateurish". That's two. --]] 16:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::<small>Oh, sorry, Jay – I should have put "that" in ital. {{tick}}<small>'''Done.'''</small> – ] (]) 16:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :::This is one of the most absurd edit wars I've ever been a part of. ''']'''-''<small>(])</small>'' 14:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::<small>Does it qualify as ridiculous? – ] (]) 17:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::::We don't want ]! Surely '''impeachment''' calls for ]?? ] (]) 15:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::<small>Orange always was my least favorite color. It always makes me – ] (]) 16:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::, the guy who really put the ] in impeachment: ] (]) 16:23, 15 January 2021 (UTC) </small> | |||
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| The term "incitement of insurrection" should not be wikilinked to ] unless there RSs can show this is the prevailing legal interpretation of the impeachment charge. Otherwise the link should be changed to ]. ] (]) 20:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :A few preliminary sources: | |||
| :*''BBC'': "The House of Representatives accused Mr Trump of encouraging violence with his false claims of election fraud." | |||
| :*''Washington Post'': "Thus, the House said, Trump violated the 14th Amendment by inciting violence against the government." The same article contrasts the charge against Trump with potential sedition/seditious conspiracy charges against some of the rioters. | |||
| :So far I haven't found anything to support the sedition interpretation. | |||
| :Another alternative is to link to each term independently: "] of ]". ] (]) 20:57, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::I have replaced it with a link just to insurrection. I didn't think incitement really needed linking, as that's a fairly standard English word and we don't want link bloat, but if others disagree we can reconsider. — ] (]) 06:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :*The phrase "seditious acts" is in the article of impeachment itself. The word sedition is defined as "incitement to rebellion." Why are we splitting hairs here? ''<small>]</small>'' 13:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| *] - appears to either be the same person as ] or the two have been conflated. --] (]) 07:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *:I have put a note about this over at ], and that's a very good spot thank you. The two pages should certainly be merged, and perhaps have their ] too. In the mean time, I'm not sure we need to pull it from the main page, the new article is much longer and more comprehensive than the original, but I've asked the question anyway. — ] (]) 08:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *::That's a ''really'' good spot. Perhaps a new DYK criterion: check the article hasn't already been created under a different title!! ] <small>(])</small> 11:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| *] - unref section and plenty else needing citations. ] <small>(])</small> 09:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **Replaced with ] (d.950) for now. Last used in 2018. --] (]) 06:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ***Cool, could you explain (to me and our ]) ''how'' I verify the date of death using those two links? ] <small>(])</small> 08:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ****The source states that Wang set himself and his family on fire (景崇已與家人自焚矣), on the day Guisi (癸巳) in the twelfth month (十二月) of the second year (二年) of the Qianyou (乾祐) era. A comparison with ] indicates that this fell during the reign of ] (隱帝) of the ] dynasty (後漢). Inputting these details into the calendar converter produces the output 西元950年1月15日, or 15 January 950. — <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif">''']'''</span> '''·''' '']'' '''·''' 14:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *****Could you add (if you haven't done so already) that highly complex interpretation route so the date can be verified by the other 99.9% of our readers please? ] <small>(])</small> 14:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| *] - the article says throughout that this may or may not have happened on either 15 or 16 January 1632, so it's probably not up to Misplaced Pages to proclaim that it's one of those two days. ] <small>(])</small> 08:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *:Removed from OTD. — <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif">''']'''</span> '''·''' '']'' '''·''' 14:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *] - not seeing the date in the source provided and about a dozen citations needed. ] <small>(])</small> 10:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *] - too much of it unreferenced. ] <small>(])</small> 11:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| *] - is "effectively" needed here? The article makes no such "distinction". ] <small>(])</small> 08:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *] - the source verifying this date is dead. These really need to be checked. ] <small>(])</small> 11:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *] - ironically given the subject above, the article states (a) the complicity allegedly included Belgium, the US '''and the UN''', so why they've been left out of the blurb I know not but (b) the assertions appear to have been made in a book which Misplaced Pages does not currently seem to consider notable. Genuine question: are these allegations main-page-worthy? ] <small>(])</small> 11:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *] - the damage and number of homeless is unreferenced, a basic requirement. ] <small>(])</small> 12:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| *] - no need to link major geographical locations like "Paris". ] <small>(])</small> 08:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *Lime - minor but would look better if tweaked, blurb has mixed spelling ie "color" but then "flavour". Swap one? ] (]) 23:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *:The article uses mixed spelling too. I fear picking one over the other here, with no real best choice, would cause more issues than it would solve. Might be best to leave it as is, a tribute to our quirky language. But that's just me. ] (]) 23:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *::Nah, I don't like that, as it's not MOS-compliant. I've set the article to British English and updated the main page. ''']]''' 02:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *:::You forgot “the other version”, which I’ve done. We should make it our FP new year resolution to work out how to do away with it! ]] 02:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | *::::Agreed. I haven’t got a NY resolution yet! ''']]''' 02:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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- Lime - minor but would look better if tweaked, blurb has mixed spelling ie "color" but then "flavour". Swap one? JennyOz (talk) 23:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article uses mixed spelling too. I fear picking one over the other here, with no real best choice, would cause more issues than it would solve. Might be best to leave it as is, a tribute to our quirky language. But that's just me. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nah, I don't like that, as it's not MOS-compliant. I've set the article to British English and updated the main page. Schwede66 02:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You forgot “the other version”, which I’ve done. We should make it our FP new year resolution to work out how to do away with it! Stephen 02:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. I haven’t got a NY resolution yet! Schwede66 02:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You forgot “the other version”, which I’ve done. We should make it our FP new year resolution to work out how to do away with it! Stephen 02:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nah, I don't like that, as it's not MOS-compliant. I've set the article to British English and updated the main page. Schwede66 02:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article uses mixed spelling too. I fear picking one over the other here, with no real best choice, would cause more issues than it would solve. Might be best to leave it as is, a tribute to our quirky language. But that's just me. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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