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== January 9 == | |||
====RD: Bruce Taylor (New Zealand cricketer)==== | |||
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==== RD: Anita Bryant ==== | ||
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*'''Weak support''' Great wrestler, alleged football player, but that article quality... ] (]) 10:34, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' There are reference gaps all over the article and some sections such as ] have no citations at all.--] (]) 11:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::That section's also missing seven years of relevant material. ] (]) 12:38, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Huge body paragraphs that read on like lists remain unsourced. ] (]) 15:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election ==== | |||
==== Blurb/RD: Christopher Plummer ==== | |||
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| article = 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election | ||
| blurb = ] (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| image = Gen._Joseph_K._Aoun_Participates_in_a_Wreath-Laying_at_the_Tomb_of_the_Unknown_Soldier_(cropped).jpg | |||
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| altblurb2 = ] (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential ] | |||
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| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
| nominator = Prodrummer619 | |||
| blurb = Canadian actor ''']''' dies at the age of 91. | |||
| creator = Prodrummer619 | |||
| nominator = KTC <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| updaters = Prodrummer619 | |||
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| sign = ] (]) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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*<s>'''Strong support''' I'd actually consider giving this one a '''blurb'''. ''']''' ] ] 18:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)</s> | |||
:*'''Oppose''' I looked over the article and had no choice but to tag it. Lacking references here and there, writing issues left and right, this needs to be fixed before we think about even posting it to RD. ''']''' ] ] 21:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Wait''' - the article is not ready yet and still needs to be improved. - ] (]) 18:26, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support blurb''' when ready. ] (]) 18:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose for now''' Tons of uncited paragraphs. '''Neutral on blurb''' if that becomes a point of discussion once the article is in better shape. ] (]) 18:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose blurb'''. Let's be serious here. Just because someone was in big films, and maybr lots of people have heard of them, it doesn't make them transformative to the level required here. See Kirk Douglas et al. — ] (]) 19:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' on quality. I would think we're talking potential blurb territory but sourcing is a long way from even an RD posting at this point, that should be figured out first and then we can kibitz on a blurb. --] (]) 19:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong support''' - A major actor and ''far'' more notable to the film industry than Sean Connery. -- ] ('']'') 19:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support blurb''' when the sourcing issues are fixed up. Plummer achieved the ] among other major accomplishments and honors. ] (]) 20:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' article needs serious work before RD is a possibility. ] <small>(])</small> 20:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Lots of work needed on referencing.-- ] (]) 20:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose blurb''', and '''oppose on quality''' for the moment. A great actor, but I see no evidence of his being transformative in his field. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 20:55, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' now everyone has to go to blurb? ] (]) 21:12, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Not at all, I think a lot of people are in opposition to that. ] <small>(])</small> 21:23, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong oppose blurb, Support RD only''' He has little known contribution in global film industry, so i don't see it can be posted as blurb unlike Tom Cruise, Kristen Stewart, etc. But due to fact that needs to be posted as RD, the article needs for fixing many issues regarding grammar and others. ] (]) 21:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::"''He has little known contribution in global film industry''" Seriously? Sometimes I see things here that make me wonder which rock the writer has been living under for the past 60 years. My guess is that the person wasn't even living for the first 40 of them. I am totally confused about the rules for whether dead people get a blurb or not. (Do we actually have any rules?) So I won't bother with a comment on that. Just fix the article and post him as an RD. Quickly! ] (]) 23:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose blurb, oppose RD for now''' He was a well-known and highly accomplished actor, but he was not the Mandela or the Thatcher of the acting field, so I don't believe he is blurb worthy. He may have come close, but I think he falls short of being a "transformative world leader in his field." ] (]) 23:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose Blurb''' Not quite top of the field in my opinion, and still needs more referencing for RD ] ] 23:26, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose Blurb''' I hate to say it, but the line needs to be drawn somewhere. ] (]) 00:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose Blurb''' close but no. Support RD when ready. ] (]) 01:05, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support RD''' - While fixing the refs. ] (]) 01:18, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose Blurb''' for all the usual reasons. Article is getting there but has quite a ways to go. --] (]) 01:21, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support RD''' while fixing refs, though even then not sure he's quite "blurb-worthy." He was very prolific, supremely talented, and has global recognition, but I wouldn't say he's a superstar or a major figure in the history or evolution of film or anything like that. Definitely RD worthy though. --] (]) 04:44, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support RD''', neutral on blurb --] (]) 05:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''No Blurb''', nor one for the prolific, supremely talented and globally recognized superstar of wrestling, ]. Nor for Kristen Stewart. ''Maybe'' Tom Cruise, but not if he's 91. ] (]) 09:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''RD only''' – Per ''Vanamonde, Amakuru''. Famous, but transformative? – Not really. — ] (]) 13:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support RD''', neutral on blurb. ] (]) 15:49, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as ] or not. '''Oppose''' on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. ] (]) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== February 4 == | |||
*:@] I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? ] (]) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*::Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. ] (]) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support''', this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. ] </span>]] 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ] (]) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. ]] 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. ] (]) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:@]: please add "]" between ] due to its importance. ] (]) 02:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== January 8 == | |||
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==== Chad presidential palace attack ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = 2025 N'Djamena attack | ||
| blurb = The presidential palace in N'Djamena, Chad comes under ''']''' resulting in 19 deaths. | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
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| nominator = Sportsnut24 | ||
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| nom cmt = Indian historian. Good amount of edits done. Meets homepage hygiene. | |||
| nom cmt = Notable target and death toll is higher than CA fires. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 05:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ] (]) 02:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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* '''Oppose''' - I see zero widespread impact. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 02:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article is a bit short but pretty good all around. ] (]) 15:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== RD: Pritish Nandy ==== | |||
====RD: Hy Cohen==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = Pritish Nandy | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
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}}Indian parliamentarian needs work.] (]) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support''' - seems to meet requirements. - ] (]) 17:45, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - Neat article, well refernced ] ] 23:29, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Well referenced, mid sized and written well. ] (]) 01:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article looks good to me ] (]) 1:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====RD: Robert Dean (Canadian politician)==== | |||
*'''Oppose''' Article has a bunch of uncited material (sections, sentences and is properly tagged with a refimprove tag).--] (]) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = Robert Dean (Canadian politician) | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| sources = ; | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = Bloom6132 | |||
| updater = Bloom6132 | |||
| creator = Jmanlucas | |||
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| sign = ] (]) 09:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support''' it seems a little brief but once again, we can't expect all recently deceased to have had epically transformative lives, there's a spectrum between being non-] and getting a blurb. ] <small>(])</small> 10:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' looks fine for a RD, well sourced. ]] (] 10:46, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Pretty good article, a couple writing issues but seems just about fine. ] (]) 15:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong support blurb''' Most notable person in history. Very influential on planet Earth. Totally have heard of him before. ;) ;) ''']''' ] ] 01:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' RD only, nice neat little article but nowhere near blurb worthy in my opinion I'm afraid ] ] 13:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== January 7 == | |||
==== RD: Mathoor Govindan Kutty ==== | |||
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==== (Posted) RD: Brian Matusz ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = Brian Matusz | ||
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| nominator = DarkSide830 <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
| updaters = Muboshgu<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | |||
| updaters = Ktin | |||
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here --> | |||
| nom cmt = Indian ] artist. ] winner. Article has shaped to a good start-class biography. | |||
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*'''Support''' |
*'''Support''' Not much on his personal life. But I think the article meets our customary standards. -] (]) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*:I'm looking for those details, but not finding anything atm. – ] (]) 03:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 10:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Suppport''' good enough for RD. ]] (] 10:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose''' While referenced, there is limited depth of coverage for someone with a six-decade-long career. It appears as though he has just 4 named performances listed over that time period, with 2 additional opening ceremony performances--the equivalent of one performance per decade. Was there a response/reaction to his portrayal of female characters? ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:26, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Spencer}}, hi there. Updated the article with a few more performances, and also added reactions and a few reviews of his performance. Please have a look. ] (]) 21:14, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Pretty good ] (]) 00:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Good for RD ] ] 13:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Agreed that it meets our usual standards as-is. ] (]) 15:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Closed) Termination of United States Support for Saudi Arabian-led intervention in the Yemeni Civil War ==== | |||
*Not sure why my nom was the one deleted, but as per that one, '''support'''. Career is well-cited. ] (]) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{archivetop|''']''', obvious consensus to oppose. <small>(])</small> --] (]) 15:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
**I didn't understand why ''my'' nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. – ] (]) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**:Because yours was the duplicate nom. ]] 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**::Oh, you're right. DarkSide put it at the bottom of the day, I didn't see it. – ] (]) 03:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====RD: Ayla Erduran==== | |||
A good faith nomination but these types of incremental policy changes are rarely published at ITN and the consensus is that the updates are of insufficient quality to overcome the perceived lack of significance. --] (]) 15:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)}} | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = Ayla Erduran | ||
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| recent deaths = yes | ||
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| updated = yes | |||
| blurb = The United States announces that it will end their support for Saudi Arabia in Yemen. | |||
| nominator = History6042 | |||
| recent deaths = no | |||
| creator = Albigator | |||
| ongoing = no | |||
| updaters = Adem, ForsythiaJo | |||
| ITNR = no | |||
| nom cmt = Turkish violinist who died on January 7. | |||
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| sign = ] '''(])''' 12:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support''' 1880 characters (299 words) "readable prose size" ] (]) 14:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| updated = no | |||
*'''Support''' No CN notes nor anything that I found that was unreferenced, at least from reading through the article. ] (]) 14:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| nominator = An IP editor | |||
*'''Support''' - good enough for posting <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 19:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| creator = Kudzu1 | |||
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| nom cmt = This has very important implications for the region and may signal a less proactive approach by the Biden administration in the Middle East. Article may need some work. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 01:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Oppose''' Awful article, not updated, "announcements" as news.] (]) 08:12, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' who cares who the US "supports" in war efforts? ] <small>(])</small> 10:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' this is not a US new site. A worldwide encyclopedia shouldn't publish every US policy and decision. ]] (] 10:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' This was obviously going to happen, and we can't just post every single US decision, per above. ] (]) 13:14, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Oppose''' – We are not a detrumpification ticker. – ] (]) 13:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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====(Posted) January 2025 Southern California wildfires ==== | |||
==== Removal of ] from Ongoing ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = January 2025 Southern California wildfires | ||
| blurb = ''']''' in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces at least 80,000 people to evacuate. | |||
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. --> | |||
| altblurb = ''']''' in southern California collectively burn over 20,000 acres, killing five and forcing at least 80,000 to evacuate. | |||
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| ongoing = yes | |||
The oldest item blurbed in the ITN template is ], which has updates up to Feburary 2. This is the benchmark I am using to assess for updates in the ] article (are updates older than this). In the past 5 days, here are the recent updates in the farmer's protest article: | |||
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | |||
*A quote about farmers demands (Note: the list of farmers demands uses references that are all 2+ months old from early December, so it does not appear that the list of demands themselves has changed) | |||
| altblurb2 = ''']''' in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces more than 80,000 others to evacuate. | |||
*Two sentences about placement of road barricades on the way to Delhi | |||
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*A journalist is granted bail | |||
| sources = https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/07/us/palisades-brush-fires-california | |||
*Human Rights Watch issues a statement | |||
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | |||
*The most substantial update is with regards to a "social media war" that "erupted after a tweet by Rihanna" | |||
| nominator = Thewetroadinsummer <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
Due to the lack of continuing substantial updates to the article that are more recent than the oldest item on ITN, this should not remain in Ongoing indefinitely and should be removed. The article can be renominated if future protests worsen and the article reflects such. While I am sure there is more recent news coverage of recent events, these events are not reflected in the article by substantial updates, which is a requirement for items to remain in the Ongoing section. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 22:53, 4 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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| image = 2025 Palisades Fire Seen From Palisades Drive.jpg | |||
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*'''Support Removal''' The most recent update was the Republic day protest over a week ago and it was a month between that and the one before. Article also suffers the usual pathologies of hyper-reporting, quote farm, and need for a copyedit. --] (]) 01:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' again as this event is still very much ongoing. It is getting active international attention per the nomination, and another example is ] became involved on February 3 (per the article). It has not resolved in any sufficient manner to justify removal at this time. The Russian protests can be added to ongoing in parallel without needing to remove this item. - ] (]) 01:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''': still in the news, especially after ]'s tweet yesterday strangely effected a strong reaction from the Indian govt. Coverage of the event via , , , , and , among others. ] ] 04:32, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
**As I noted in the nom, yes, this is still being reported in news articles, but Twitter drama involving Rihanna and Greta Thunberg is a pretty low bar with limited lasting notable impact, if any. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''', as above; still making headlines; on the BBC homepage when I checked a short while ago. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 05:12, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support removal''' This was up for removal as recently as last week, and we were all assured that THE NEXT BIG PROTEST that weekend would finally provide the updates necessary to keep it in Ongoing. That never happened; it was CRYSTAL as I pointed out at the time, and the material updates to the article do not even rise to the level of police blotter (we're now in Twitter beef territory!).] (]) 08:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
**There is an entire separate article about that here: ]. It was split off from the main article and linked. - ] (]) 17:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support removal''' article not being updated? Time to go. ] <small>(])</small> 10:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak Support removal''' While protests are very much still ongoing, if noone is going to update the article I don't really see the point. ] (]) 13:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support removal''' – Per ''TRM'', and because the topic has long been hyped. – ] (]) 13:54, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' to {{u|The Rambling Man}}, {{u|Gex4pls}}, {{u|Sca}}: if you are going to support because the article is not being updated, then please look at the article history and note that it is being updated, therefore you should oppose. By comparison, look at the recent history of the ] article--] is being more actively updated! The last major content add to the pandemic article was on January 29. Are you saying that the ] should be removed from ongoing because it is no longer being actively updated? - ] (]) 17:27, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Of the new edits, though they are plentiful, many have been reverted or are reverts, and those that aren't are mostly either A: referencing or adding stuff from december/January or B: Adding info about social media controversies. These are still edits, hence my weak support, but none of these are about CURRENT protests or any substantial updates. About the COVID 19 pandemic article, you are right that the article should be updated more, and that is a seperate discussion in it's own right. ] (]) 17:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::Even if there is a bit of edit warring going on (which indicates that it is an active topic), there are content edits as of yesterday (February 4). Again, compared to the last real content edit to ] being on January 29, nearly a week earlier. If this article is removed on the basis of updates, then I will nominate the pandemic article for removal on the same basis and it would be hypocritical to have a different outcome. - ] (]) 17:55, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm not saying it's not an active topic, it undeniably is, I'm saying the size of the updates doesn't reflect that. None of them relate to any substantial current events (save for some twitter tomfoolery). If the COVID-19 pandemic article is not receiving proper updates, then I may support nominating it for removal, if not simply to attract more editors. ] (]) 19:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::. The rev links are broken because of a bug in my code dealing with apostrophies in article titles that I don't have time to fix right now. Please indicate the content edits adding "new, pertinent information" as stipulated in the ] guidelines. Seriously, what's the point of having criteria if we're just going to !vote count opposes which ignore them. --] (]) 17:54, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::So similarly for ], what does that look like and are you going to support removal if it is similar? - ] (]) 17:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::I can't run the tool against it just because of the number of edits and how big the articles are now (I could probably look back 90 days with a few hacks) but yes, if I had the same data and it showed the same level of staleness in the target article I'd absolutely support pulling it from ongoing. Start that discussion if you want. --] (]) 18:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Would have been support 2 days ago. But now Indian news is describing an insurrection component to this, which would suggest a change to more civil conflict than protests. ] (]) 17:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
**The article has not been updated to reflect these recent updates. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::<small>1,200 words seems enough on this topic, for now anyway. – ] (]) 23:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
*'''Oppose''' - The farmers' protest is still going strong. () ] (]) 23:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong oppose''' I wouldn’t even say the article is ready for main space. We also almost never post about wildfires. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 00:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== RD: Lokman Slim ==== | |||
::I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre ] last year), yet we don't post about ''those''. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impacts]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
:::I disagree, while not the biggest, these fires are burning within the borders of the 2nd largest city in the United States. That alone makes this significant. ] (]) 01:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| article = Lokman Slim | |||
*<s>'''Oppose''' Article is in very rough shape. ] (]) 00:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s> | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
*'''Strong oppose''' - not significant enough in the world, and I'm saying that as someone from California. Bad article quality. ] (]) 00:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*:Changing to '''Wait'''. ] (]) 16:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| updated = yes | |||
*'''Comment''' There is an article that is in better shape than the one being nominated. ] ] (]) 01:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| nominator = TuckerGladden <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
*:'''Support''' 5 deaths, significant news coverage and 1,100 structures destroyed. This is also threatening populated areas. ] (]) 02:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Oppose''' Even considering the second article, we'd not post a wildfire of this size unless it started significant destruction or lives lost. Its only getting attention because its close to LA. --] (]) 01:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| nom cmt = Lebanese social activist who was assassinated. Article looks good. | |||
*:I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. ] (]) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ''']''' ] ] 19:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
*::Obviously ITN operates a bit differently from the rest of Misplaced Pages, but I think it's best to just say that these sorts of things are significant if and only if reliable sources are calling them significant — regardless of any ] or location criteria. And, right now, I think reliable sources are saying that. ] (]) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Wait''' I'm re-opening this as it's the top story and live in both the and and there seems to be much more to come. It seems absurd to prevent discussion of such a hot topic. Note that there are multiple fires and so we should consider ] to get the big picture. Coverage also keeps highlighting the ] as significant and so maybe that article should appear in the blurb as it's quite substantial and informative and so seems to have a good encyclopedic tone. ]🐉(]) 09:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' citations missing, raw URLs, odd Germanic Capitalisation of Heading... ] <small>(])</small> 22:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Wait''' It's too early to tell, but I feel like this should only be posted if it comes out that the damage is unparalleled in LA history ''or'' if it hits something important like the ]. (I sincerely hope neither of those should happen.) Should also say that the blurbs definitely need fixing. ] (]) 10:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' some citations needed, and I have questions over NPOV. The heading on his death is labelled "assassination", with no clear evidence that he was assassinated (just speculation). ]] (] 10:55, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*<s>'''Wait''' I think it may be notable enough for a blurb, but it's too early to say for sure.</s> ] (]) 11:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
:'''Strong support''' Historic wildfire event (most destructive fire in Los Angeles history, potentially the costliest wildfire ever, 5 deaths confirmed so far, worldwide news coverage). --] (]) 23:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' Opposers @], @] Can you please look back over the article once more? ''']''' ] ] 21:16, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*Unsure if this is a better article target instead ], which covers other fires in the Los Angeles area. ] (]) 11:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Significant destruction of a large urban area. That there’s been no fatalities so far is extraordinary. ] (]) 13:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Support Altblurb3''' as nominator, please let me know if you intend to or want me to modify it.</s> Comment withdrawn as other blurbs have been removed. ] (]) 13:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|31.44.227.152}} I don't think you can vote twice. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? ] (]) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. ] (]) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::Ah. In that case, ignore my above comments. :) ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::] ] 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::Bad wording on my part. ] (]) 20:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::'''Comment''' {{Ping|Stephen}} Is there any particular reason why you're reverting to your revision of the blurb? I feel it comes across as needlessly dramatic to the more ] wording. ] (]) 02:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:<s>'''Comment''' Slight rewording and update of altblurb3 and including that two people died. ] (]) 18:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s> | |||
*'''Wait''', today is an extremely critical fire weather day for the area around this fire. This ''could'' be something worth posting if all the pieces fall into the right place, but we won't know until they do (or don't). 4 thousand acres burnt is routine, but what might not be is 4 thousand acres at 0% containment ''before'' a full extremely critical day (followed by another critical day). ] (]) 14:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::<s>'''Strong oppose''' posting this ''right this second now''. Up to 5000 acres (nearly 3000 for the Palisades fire) but nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just a few months ago we had the ] at nearly 10,000 acres and that was seen as relatively uncommon, so 5000 acres across 2 seems routine at the moment. I also feel this is getting a lot of coverage for being near Los Angeles - again, I see that as routine and sensationalized in nature. ] (]) 18:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s> | |||
::Not going to ask for a pull if this is posted. The ] just exploded to >10,000 acres burnt, and directly downstream of it is metro Los Angeles. 0% containment, extremely critical fire conditions. '''Weak support'''. ] (]) 19:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' not a significant destruction or lives lost. ] (]) 15:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Wait''' until more details emerge. I was about to oppose but it turns out that this is still a rapidly developing story – as of this writing, the fires are still ongoing and 0% contained – and while it does seem to be "routine" for now, this has the potential to become one of, if not the largest series of wildfires for this particular part of California. ] (]) 16:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s> | |||
:Changing my vote to '''support'''. This has definitely met the criteria for ITN, and has sadly become one of the most infamous wildfire events ever. ] (]) 01:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak support''' Wildfires in California are common, but given the close proximity this fire is to LA (the second largest city in the U.S.) and how it's making global headlines, I am leaning to support this blurb. Article is also in good shape. --] (]) 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - Massive news coverage of devastating fires with over a thousand structures destroyed and huge evacuations. Two confirmed deaths so far. Waiting for more confirmed deaths or further damage seems wrong to me. Opposers unconvincing. Altblurb 3 looks best. ] (]) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong support''' One of the most historical events in Californian wildlife history, destroyed thousands of properties. Should absolutely be posted. The most famous event in the news right now. ] (]) 18:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Main story on multiple news outlets, large wildfire even for California standards. ] (]) 18:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> - we haven't posted similar fires in other countries, such as ]. Also there's no indication about the death toll. ] (]) 18:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC) - change to '''Support''' - situation clearly has worsened, and deaths will likely grow. ] (]) 05:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:As of right now, 2 deaths confirmed with several injuries. ] (]) 18:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Major news, major impacts, quality article to display. I'm unconvinced by OTHERSTUFF arguments about other fires or MINIMUMDEATH comments. – ] (]) 18:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Muboshgu}}, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Misplaced Pages mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. ]]] ] 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::I evaluate each item individually. Opposing newsworthy items because they are about the developed world is not the way to fight systemic bias. – ] (]) 20:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:* '''Soft oppose''' the BBC and British media shouldn’t used to assess whether American news has achieved global notability, we should be looking at English language media in various countries | |||
:] (]) 19:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' article seems in decent shape - I've not been paying attention to the story so wanted to find out more and came to wikipedia - I believe the purpose of this page is to point at encyclopaedic articles that people will be looking for - this seems to fit the bill. ] (]) 19:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support'''. This is in the news and the article is in good shape. --] <sup>(])</sup> 19:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* <s>'''Strong oppose''' on principle. The death toll is 2 and the acreage is not anywhere close to record-breaking.</s> As others have pointed out, there were significantly bigger American wildfires even in the past 12 months. We regularly reject storms and earthquakes that are similarly "usual", only damage a few thousand buildings, and kill 1-2 people. The only difference there is that these are from outside the USA. In fact, I have seen other noms where it is a typhoon or a flood in a developing country, but is SNOW closed - even despite the casualties or total damage costs from these disasters being over 10x higher than this fire. Given this, there is no plausible explanation for why this local wildfire affecting a single American city should now be posted. I am disappointed in the blatant U.S. centrism and bias which once again plagues ITN. ]]] ] 20:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::If you want record breaking, . --] <sup>(])</sup> 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::The keyword is "''may''" and "plausible", not '''has'''. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: Either way, fair enough that the fire may or may not worsen to record-breaking levels. By nature the situation is rapidly evolving. I will strike my strong oppose and replace it with "'''Wait'''". My opposition is admittedly mostly a protest about a double standard given we regularly speedy close similarly deadly disasters, but I will not punish this article or those suffering from this fire especially if this continues to evolve and is clearly notable. ]]] ] 20:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Reuters and the AP find this damage estimate sufficiently credible to be notable, and not without reason, given that the outfit has been doing these estimates credibly for some time. Of course, any estimate of an event recent enough to be on ITN is going to say "may". ] (]) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Proposed an altblurb.''' ] (]) 21:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:I feel the wording makes it read a bit more like a news headline rather than a blurb. I also think including acres without unit conversions makes it a bit too US-centric given how English language Misplaced Pages is aimed at a global audience, but that's just my opinion. ] (]) 22:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' for now. Wait for the story to develop; it's receiving a lot of coverage in the US but few outside the continent. Some sources point to possibly being record-breaking in damage but remains unconfirmed. ''''']''''' (]) 22:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:International sources: , , , , , . ] 02:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - Death toll is now at five. ] (]) 23:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' I had closed this last night as premature. Unfortunately the situation has gotten extremely bad with at least 5 confirmed fatalities and an enormous amount of destruction. As of this post, the fires are still out of control and spreading. It is receiving significant coverage outside of the US. IMO this now meets our customary standards for a blurb at ITN. -] (]) 00:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strongly Support''' - 3 large, uncontained fires within the 2nd largest city in the United States. Widespread coverage among both domestic and international news agencies. - ] (]) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Comment''' Four large fires now, as of a few minutes ago, with mandatory evacuation issued for the Hollywood Hills now. --] (]) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' this appears to be pretty major news now, due to its scale and the size of the city it is affected. <span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:monospace;">'''David Palmer'''//</span>]</span> <sup>(])</sup> 01:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Support''' - Majority of the opposition posted before the situation was getting increasingly worse. ''''']''''' <sup style="color: #246BCE">(] / ])</sup> 01:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Robert A. Altman ==== | |||
*'''Support''' per above. Large complex of fires that are notably urban-adjacent. In the context of impacts, perhaps they do not scale to where some of the fires we've posted in the past have, but with most of these fires completely uncontained, I don't think it's too CRYSTALly to say the impacts will reach that range eventually. ] (]) 02:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Significant coverage in the news - not just local american news sources either - for example, this is on the front page on Al Jazeera and Times of India. ] (]) 02:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Strong Support''', has had major impacts on one of the world's largest cities, and most culturally important cities in the anglosphere. While a death toll of five isn't particularly notable, there are over 100,000 displaced persons and "numerous injuries". ] 02:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - Major event in a major city. --] (]) 02:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong support''' huge fire with lots of damage. Needs to be up there, especially now that it's spreading. ] (]) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 02:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:Comment: Fires in California are regular enough, but not ones that threaten LA. I think it would be better to replace "Southern California" with "Los Angles Metro Area" ] (]) 20:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. ] (]) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Ah, I see. Thanks! ] (]) 23:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== RD: Bob Veale ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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*'''Support''' Looks like a good one! ''']''' ] ] 19:14, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 22:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article's pretty good, all sourced and whatnot ] (]) 23:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment:''' Some of the BCCI trial section needs references, which I have tagged. I checked the WaPo and Times refs, which don't mention the tagged details. Rm "ready". ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article is well sourced and seems like a good candidate. ] (]) 00:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' I have resolved the remaining CNs, everything else looks good to go. But man, getting on the shitlists of then-Senator and later-Secretary of State John Kerry, the Federal Reserve AND the CIA? No wonder this guy's dead.] (]) 10:46, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' BCCI section now sourced. Great work. ] (]) 15:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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==== RD: Peter Yarrow ==== | ||
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====(Posted) RD: Tony Trabert==== | |||
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*'''Not Ready''' for the ]. -] (]) 03:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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:'''Note:''' only two sentences with {cn} tags remaining, one of which could easily be commented out or removed. ] (]) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Support'''. Seems well sourced. ] (]) 21:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' – the "Major finals" and "Singles performance timeline" sections are unreferenced. See ] (which was successfully nominated to ITNRD last May) as an example of what is expected. —] (]) 10:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' as per the above comment, those sections need sourcing- even if it's just from a stats website. ]] (] 10:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
: {{u|Bloom6132}}, {{u|Joseph2302}}, sources have now been added to these sections. The Ashley Cooper example was useful.--] (]) 12:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Glad you found the Cooper article helpful. The last sentence of the "Post-playing career" and "Awards and honors" sections are unreferenced. You may want to remove the Trabert Cup sentence, as even I found it difficult to find any reliable sources re its establishment in 2000. —] (]) 12:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::: {{u|Bloom6132}}, I temporarily removed both sentences. Will re-add the Kramer comment on the 21 best players after I have found the reference (I know it exists). Could find plenty of references to the Tony Trabert Cup but those were all to editions of the tournament and have not yet found any source to support that is was established in 2000. --] (]) 13:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - article looks good now per improvements by {{u|Wolbo}}. | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. Referencing has improved. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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==== RD: Jean-Marie Le Pen ==== | ||
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*'''Oppose''' too much unreferenced. ] <small>(])</small> 22:16, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Oppose''' A whole section missing inline citations. ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 10:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Not yet ready ''', the article is quite confusing and contains uncredited statements. ] (]) 12:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) RD: Jim Weatherly==== | |||
*'''Support''': "Life and career" section needs to be shortened or split, otherwise support as he's a polarising figure that's defined French far-right politics. ] (]) 13:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
**Recent deaths are not posted per importance of the person, but for being of a sufficient quality to post. One could make the equally objective claim that he should not be posted as he was the biggest loser in the history of presidential run-offs, and French far-right politics could not be "defined" by him as his party grew after his daughter kicked him out. With due respect to the dearly departed, I don't think anyone ever suggested that ] transformed any aspect of life on planet Earth. ] (]) 17:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| article = Jim Weatherly | |||
*'''Comment''' - a couple of the sections need more references, I've just tagged where. After that good to go, I'm not particularly bothered about the length of the "Life and Career" section, that's the meat of the article and as a whole it's hardly overlong. I would oppose a blurb, just in case anyone is thinking of proposing one! - he has been influential, but not on the level we'd usually blurb for. — ] (]) 14:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
*'''Support''' per above. Pre-emptively '''strongly oppose''' any suggestion of a blurb. ] (]) 16:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Not Ready''' for the ]. If the article can be brought up to scratch, I would give a weak support for a blurb. His influence on far right politics extended well beyond France. -] (]) 18:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support''' Appropriate depth of coverage; referenced. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 18:23, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Well referenced; being a Mississippian is a plus. :) ''']''' ] ] 19:16, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 22:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:04, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Support''' I see no problems with the article. Also I would support a blurb, I can't think of any one individual with more of an impact on French Politics in the modern day than him. ]] 19:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Wayne Terwilliger ==== | |||
*<s>'''Support''', no outstanding issues with the article.</s> ] (]) 19:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
*:There are still 9 citation needed tags and an unreferenced "Decorations" section. So no, there are still issues with the article. — ] (]) 22:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| article = Wayne Terwilliger | |||
*'''Support''' – Founding figure of the modern French far-right that now has widespread influence in mainstream French politics. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 17:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
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| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = PCN02WPS <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| updaters = PCN02WPS, Rcb1, Jkaharper | |||
| nom cmt = American baseball player/coach. <s>Some referencing problems, I'll be working on those shortly.</s> | |||
| sign = ] <small>(] | ])</small> 17:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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*'''Comment''' References have been added. ] <small>(] | ])</small> 17:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Seems like a good article. ''']''' ] ] 00:44, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 02:51, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Support''' on significance, '''Neutral''' on quality. Three CNs. ] (]) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== February 2 == | |||
:'''Support''': Now down to two <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> tags, which is not bad for a 5000-word article. ] (]) 23:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support RD'''. The article isn't perfect but it's good enough to post as an RD. There are over 100 references so we shouldn't hold it up over one or two {{tl|cn}} tags. '''Strong oppose blurb''' - he was a politician who never entered government. ] ] 16:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{Portal:Current events/2021 February 2}} | |||
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==== RD: Millie Hughes-Fulford ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = Millie Hughes-Fulford | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
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| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = Indefensible <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| updaters = Indefensible | |||
| nom cmt = American scientist, NASA astronaut. | |||
| sign = - ] (]) 05:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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:'''Support''' – Regardless of personal opinion about this politician, he was widely covered by international press and his death is notable. ] (]) 20:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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==== John Mahama ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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HE John Dramani Mahama, President of the Republic of Ghana (9041896033).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | |||
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| blurb = ''']''' (pictured) is sworn in as Ghana's President while ] is sworn in as the first female Vice-president of Ghana.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. --> | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | |||
| nominator = Gerda Arendt | |||
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| updater = Gerda Arendt | |||
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | |||
| nom cmt = Operatic soprano who made a great Czech composer known beyond their home country. Well described in various sources in various languages. Age 96. Expanded. | |||
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| sign = ] (]) 15:55, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Former Ghanaian President John Mahama reelected as Ghana's President. This is historic because it is the first time ever that Ghana will have a female Vice-president. Historic on both fronts that a former president returns to government and also the first female to be sworn in as Ghana's Vice President. | |||
*'''Support'''. Short, but quite reasonable quality-wise. I am not sure how much an article of this kind could realistically be expected to grow. —'']'' (]) 16:29, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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* '''Support''' per nom. A significant event in Ghana. --] (]) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Support''' |
*'''Support''' per nom ] (]) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Comment''' I've bolded target article and clarified who is pictured. ] (]) 12:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' per all of the above. ''']''' ] ] 19:22, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Oppose''' The election is the ITNR and while it was nominated in December, it did not meet quality for posting. We don't post inaugurations as "makeup" for an ITNR being missed. --] (]) 12:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''' If this was to have been posted, it should have been the election last month. ITN does not post inaugurations when there was a suitable target article, which is now stale. ] 13:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 22:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' pretty much per Masem and Black Kite. The election was the right time to post this. Sorry, but we cannot compensate it not being posted with the inauguration.--] (]) 15:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' since we didn't post the election ] (]) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' significant, in the news and article is in good shape. ] (]) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article quality looks satisfactory and this is a significant event. Ideally we post elections, but since we are now double posting prime ministerial successions in Western countries, I'm having a hard time buying the rational in the opposing comments above. Sometimes the double standards around here become a bit too glaring. -] (]) 18:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**The difference with prime minister resignations followed by the announcement of their successor months later is because there is a whole election aspect there. We have no idea who will replace Trudeau, for example. Once that election is done and the winner confirmed, we will post that, though not the day that they officially take office.<span id="Masem:1736275777154:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 18:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
**Do you have a specific example of an inauguration that we posted to justify the claim for double standards? I remember to have recently opposed a ] where the rationale for posting was similar as here, that is, to post it because we hadn't posted the election result. Note that this was in the European Union, which is in the Western world, so it's not true that we have double standards for Western countries.--] (]) 21:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**:I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. ] (]) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**:*It wasn’t posted, but you’re right. While it was also a formalisation of the results from a previous election, it included another vote by the European Parliament. This inauguration is a pure ceremonial event without any uncertainty. In two weeks, Trump will be inaugurated as president, and that also involves some uncertainty because there are procedural votes. Anyway, my point is that I cannot support such ceremonial event when I oppose any event following an election that formalises the result.--] (]) 23:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**:I am pretty sure we posted Barack Obama's inauguration as well as his election. -] (]) 01:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**:*That was a mistake which we shouldn't repeat.--] (]) 10:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose''' just because we didn't post the election doesn't mean we should break the norm and post the inauguration as a replacement. ]] 19:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) RD: Rennie Davis==== | |||
*'''Support''' Article looks good and highlights a major event for Ghana and the region. ] (]) 07:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
*'''Oppose''' per Masem <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 19:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| article = Rennie Davis | |||
*'''Support''' in principle. If we didn't post at the time of the election, and the reason is for article quality, I think it's reasonable to post when the actual change of power happens. The blurb is a bit awkward, though. Maybe chance "with" to "while"? — ] <sub>]</sub> 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
*'''Support''' In principal. I think it would be nice to start blurbing notable inaugurations. This one is especially notable as it also reflects the country having a first female president. --] (]) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = GeoGreg | |||
| updater = Bloom6132 | |||
| nom cmt = Well-known American activist, member of the Chicago Seven, one of the subjects of a recent feature film. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 02:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Support''' - seems to meet requirements. - ] (]) 04:36, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' everything is in order.{{s|'''Oppose''' The outcome of the trial (which was not straightforward) is not discussed in this BLP. Arguably, the protest/riot/trial is the single event giving this subject WP:N.}}] (]) 07:53, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*Done. —] (]) 08:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 22:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== (Closed) |
==== (Closed) HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present) ==== | ||
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{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. ]] 03:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)}} | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present) | ||
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | |||
| image = File:Alexey Navalny 2017.jpg | |||
| blurb = ] in ] and partly in ] | |||
| blurb = Russian politician ''']''' is sentenced to imprisonment in a ], prompting ] | |||
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | |||
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| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | |||
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| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | ||
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| nom cmt = ] outbreak in Northeast Asia and partly in India (South Asia)<!-- Additional comments go here --> | |||
| nom cmt = This is an update to the existing blurb that's about to roll off, which was for the protests against Navalny's arrest. He's now been sentenced to 2 years and 8 months in a penal colony. Imprisonment of a leading opposition politician seems significant enough to merit a blurb on its own. It has also prompted a new round of public protests, mass arrests, and diplomatic condemnation. I suggest we replace with the new blurb and bump to the top. Article is updated and seems well referenced. | |||
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*'''Oppose''' This seems to be fairly routine. The explains: {{tq|As expected for this time of year, the Northern Hemisphere winter, there is a month-over-month increase of acute respiratory infections, including seasonal influenza, R.S.V. and human metapneumovirus}}. ]🐉(]) 08:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose''' - agreed that this is in the news, but since we covered his arrest already, it seems slightly redundant to then cover his sentencing as a fresh item one week later. If the protests are major and ongoing, perhaps the "Ongoing" section would be a better fit? — ] (]) 12:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' remove the previous blurb and promote this one to top of the box. ] (]) 12:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose''' This virus has existed since 2001 and had routine outbreaks in other parts of the world and per above. ] (]) 11:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' posting sentencing, per years of consensus around criminal proceedings, and completely expected. If this is still generating headlines and the article reflects that, then make an Ongoing nomination. Note: "roll-off" Ongoing posting was discussed in , so please make a separate nomination.] (]) 12:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per above. ] (]) 11:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
**It's both conviction (of parole violation) and sentencing. Past practice has been to post at the time of conviction. ] ] 13:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per 130. Just a natural progression and suitable for ongoing should the main blurb roll off. ] <small>(])</small> 13:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:It has not caused a large problem yet other than increasing worries that it may. '''Oppose'''. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support Bump''' Article is pretty good, topic is in the news, it won't bump anything off the bottom and the Estonian election is getting pretty stale. '''Oppose Ongoing''' he's been sentenced to the gulag and that's the end of it. All that'll be ongoing from here on it whining on social media and strongly worded statements of concern from various governments. --] (]) 13:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Strong oppose''' Every winter since COVID we see exaggerated stories about 'outbreaks' in China. There's no evidence that there's anything new or unusual. ] (]) 19:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''' Mention it in protests page, not ITN. ''']''' ] ] 13:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' as the conviction/sentence was fully expected; more than likely the protests will continue (into ongoing). --] (]) 14:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' – In the news and likely to engender further protests. – ] (]) 15:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Oppose''' posting when Putin imprisons an opponent would be like posting when a earthquake doesn't happen. ''<small>]</small>'' 16:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Russia sends a putin opponent to jail! In other news, the sky is blue and fish are swimming in the sea. ] (]) 23:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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==== (Posted) |
==== (Posted) 2025 Xizang earthquake ==== | ||
{{atop|{{nac}} Closing this nomination with a statement of protest against Admin actions. Details on the closing post. ] (]) 04:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)}} | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| article = 2025 Xizang earthquake | ||
| blurb = A ] hits ]. located in the ] leaving 9 dead. | |||
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| nom cmt = Canadian social justice and human rights activist. Article has shaped up well to a compact C-class biography. | |||
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| sign = ] (]) 06:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | |||
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| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here --> | |||
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*'''Support''' - article seems to meet requirements. Sounds like an interesting life. - ] (]) 07:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 08:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 11:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Request to Admins'''. This article is now the last one (sixth) on the carousel and has stayed on the carousel for ~12 hours. When you post the next RD, please consider giving this article some more time on the carousel before bumping it off. Line #2 of the RD is currently 30-40% filled on most screen resolutions. ] (]) 00:51, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* {{ping|Stephen}} -- This article spent ~14 hours on RD before being bumped off the carousel. There is 50% of row #2 that is still available. I request you to consider bringing this article back on the RD carousel. ] (]) 02:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*We already had this discussion on another item? ]] 03:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*:{{u|Stephen}}, I fail to see why we can not use the 50% of the remaining space on row #2 to reintroduce this article and allowing it to run 24 hours. Is there anything we stand to lose by doing this? Editors do spend a significant amount of time to bring articles up to homepage levels of hygiene. The least we can do is to allow the RDs to run, particularly when space is available on row #2. Not to mention that the COVID banner was removed to create space for a row #3 if needed. ] (]) 03:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::*As explained, there was no consensus for minimum durations or more than 6 RDs. Removing the COVID banner means we can now support 4 or 5 blurbs, as we used to before it was introduced. ]] 03:14, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::*:{{u|Stephen}}, But, there is 50% space remaining on row 2. How would we explain not wanting to use that? ] (]) 03:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Statement of Protest'''. Adding my statement of protest here against the above Admin action. With 50% of space being available in row #2, the lack of flexibility shown to go on to retain this as RD7 on the carousel shows a deliberate lack of consideration to editors' efforts to work an article to get it to homepage levels of hygiene. While recourse available might be limited or even nil, there is nothing more this specific editor can do. This thread is being closed. ] (]) 04:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:What you can do is start a discussion to see if there is community consensus to increase to 7, or even 8 RDs, under certain circumstances. This is better than asking repeatedly and complaining when you get the same answer that you don't like. ]] 04:24, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{abot}} | |||
:*'''Temporary oppose on article quality''' - quite a short article. I understand there are minimal sources on it(rural area + happened a few hours ago + Chinese censorship stuff) but still. | |||
====(Posted) RD: Maureen Colquhoun ==== | |||
:] (]) 04:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Changing to '''Support'''; similar quality as Port Vila was when it was ITNed. ] (]) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Comment''' Two 7.1 earthquakes just happened - the one in Tibet appears to be an aftershock of another earthquake the same day in Nepal. 9 fatalities across just the Tibet one seems low for an earthquake to be posted, but further updates may increase that figure. ] (]) 04:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::USGS only shows one 7.1. ] (]) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Misplaced Pages though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of ]. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. ] (]) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::The death toll has also risen to 36. I don't know the time in China but by the time we get the article to ITN quality the true death toll will be more clear. Over 7000 rescue personnel tells me the final total might go into the low triple digits, but I'm not going to ] this one way or the other for now. ] (]) 04:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' — Significant casualties, article has been expanded enough and still developing ''''']''''' (]) 05:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' – Rest in peace to the people who died in the strong earthquake. Too many casualties. ] <small>]</small> 06:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - 53 dead now. ] (]) 06:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - Significant due to deaths. Article looks good to post. ] (]) 06:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ] (]) 07:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== January 6 == | |||
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====RD: Charles M. Roessel==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Charles M. Roessel | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
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| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
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| nominator = History6042 | ||
| creator = Missvain | |||
| updaters = Sunshineisles2, MumphingSquirrel | |||
| updaters = Normantas Bataitis | |||
| nom cmt = First openly lesbian British MP. | |||
| nom cmt = Navajo photographer, journalist and academic administrator. | |||
| sign = ] <small>(] | ])</small> 06:10, 3 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| sign = ] '''(])''' 01:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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====RD: John S. Hunkin==== | |||
*'''Support''' - article seems to meet requirements. - ] (]) 07:05, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Weak oppose'''</s> - few citations needed. ] <small>(])</small> 07:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|The Rambling Man}}, would you mind CN-tagging some of the places that need refs? ] <small>(] | ])</small> 16:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::I about 12 hours ago. Looks like they've been addressed. ] <small>(])</small> 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' As per Indefensible. ''']''' ] ] 13:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 22:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) RD: Bob McCallister==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = John S. Hunkin | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
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| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
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| nominator = Tsc9i8 | ||
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| nom cmt = Only announced and reported today (February 2). | |||
| nom cmt = Former chief executive of the ] | |||
| sign = —] (]) 03:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ] (]) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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====(Posted) Indonesia BRICS ==== | |||
*'''Support''' - short but sourcing is adequate. ] <small>(] | ])</small> 05:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 07:56, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' - This guy was known for being a golfer, right, so the "Career" section should be the most important shouldn't it? Yet our article has only six short sentences in that section, one of which is "He was sponsored by Lawrence Welk". Unmarking as Ready for now, because I think we can do better than this. I can see that his career didn't last that long, but give us a bit more detail on how it progressed please. Cheers — ] (]) 11:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:I thought that too, but then there are an awful lot of golfers out there who don't amount to much. ] <small>(])</small> 13:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|Amakuru}} done. —] (]) 14:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' the Career section is only 3 lines long- this needs significant expansion. Also, the "Best results in major championships" don't seem to be sourced. ]] (] 12:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|Joseph2302}} Fixed. —] (]) 14:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*:{{ping|Bloom6132}} I think this refers to the lines in the inbox with his best results in the Majors. It says that his best results were making the cut at the 1966 Masters, tying for 21st at the 1963 US Open, and that he never played in the Open Championship. That should be sourced. Otherwise I think your changes look good. Cheers — ] (]) 14:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::*{{re|Amakuru}} Missed that; thanks for explaining! —] (]) 14:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Article missing out too much. ''']''' ] ] 13:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|WikiLove Goat}} done. —] (]) 14:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Sourced and all that. ] (]) 22:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*{{re|Spencer|Stephen|Amakuru}} been ready for 9 hours now. —] (]) 23:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Grant Jackson==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
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| nom cmt = Baseball player who played for the Phillies, Pirates, Orioles, and more, and later a coach. Won the World Series with the Pirates. Article looks OK. | |||
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| sign = ''']''' ] ] 19:46, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| nom cmt = Growing int'l supranational body. Pretty important.<!-- Additional comments go here --> | |||
| sign = ] (]) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> plenty unreferenced. ] <small>(])</small> 20:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:@], all fixed along with some help. ''']''' ] ] 20:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' looks good. ] <small>(] | ])</small> 06:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 11:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Not yet ready''' The article has multiple CN tags. --] (]) 00:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Abu Salman Shahjahanpuri==== | |||
:'''Comment''' – Could you please provide reliable sources indicating that Indonesia's admission into BRICS is "pretty important"? ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 00:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
::4th largest economy in the world.] (]) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| article = Abu Salman Shahjahanpuri | |||
:::Indonesia is only the 16th largest nation worldwide by nominal GDP. By population, however, it is 4th worldwide. ] (]) 00:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
::Here are some article about this news. Seems like ] is now a full member state of ]. --] (]) 02:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| sources = https://alert.com.pk/archives/27674 | |||
::BRICS is a large supranational body. Indonesia joining BRICS is comparable in notability to a country joining the EU. --] (]) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:::The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --]] 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| nominator = TheAafi <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
::::BRICS is not even like NAFTA, it's a talking shop with perhaps some joint financial institutions. It's probably more similar to the examples Gotitbro mentions below. ] (]) 09:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| updaters = TheAafi | |||
:'''Support''' Significant development for an interational body which has received increasing news coverage in recent years. While we should be assessing this item on its own merits if comaprisions are to be made (beyond the EU etc.) would we post if a new member became a part of the ], ], ] etc. For me the answer is yes as expansion among large interational organizations is not frequent and is always major news (also highlighted by the fact that our country articles highlight these organizations in their leads). ] (]) 08:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| nom cmt = A known, notable scholar and historian, admired both in India and Pakistan. This deserves a main page mention. Though the news has not been widely covered. Ideas? | |||
::And the article appears fine enough for ITN to me. ] (]) 08:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::There's 100+ such organisations and I'm not convinced that changes are always significant. For example, see ]. Notice that this is a full and well-developed article about that addition but that we haven't posted it. The lack of an article for this Indonesia matter seems telling. ]🐉(]) 09:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:::ASEAN (a major economic block) and Timor Leste is one I would support posting when the accession happens . 100+ such organisations may exist but do any of them receive the same coverage as this one?, especially its recent expansion has been under much dicussion, see for instance . Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates all joined last year, and that oppurtunity to post was apparently missed twice: ] and ] with similar arguments based on the organization's politics rather than the significant news coverage of its expansion. | |||
*'''Neutral''' Eh. I don't know how to feel about this one. ''']''' ] ] 18:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::As for the last point, ITN does not demand the creation of separate articles and an absence of it may point towards a lack of enwiki editors from Indonedia or those interested in the subject rather than a lack of notability. ] (]) 16:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
<s> *'''Neutral''' Part referanced, part not. ''']''' ] ] 18:09, 2 February 2021 (UTC)</s> | |||
*'''Needs work''' The update seems perfunctory with no specific details of the politics and impact of this addition. And, it seems that there's a in this latest wave: Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan. The different status of partner and full member seems opaque as the article says, "It is unclear whether the countries in this tier have received official membership invitations". ]🐉(]) 08:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*: I don't know if anything is left unreferenced? Could you please point out? ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 18:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to ]s. Indonesia is the only latest member, as from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." ] (]) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' no way enough time has passed to allow a sufficiently in-depth search for a free image. ] <small>(])</small> 18:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::The details seem vague because, as the article explains, "''there is currently no formal application process to join BRICS''". Per , "''BRICS is an informal grouping, it has no founding treaty, secretariat supporting it or headquarters''". Its effectiveness will thus depend on the quality of the rotating presidency. As it adds more minor countries, this will be increasingly volatile. ]🐉(]) 18:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|The Rambling Man}}, If that's the single issue, I've removed it. Image may be added later. What else stops the article from ITN/RD? Nothing? Article has a good shape. Good lede. Everything is referenced well. ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 05:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' The legacy section could probably be dispersed throughout the article. ] (]) 19:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*: {{u|Gex4pls}}, Fixed few things and updated a bit more references. I've exams in the morning and would leave this as it is until I'm done with the exams. I'd appreciate sincere advises. ] has now reported his death as well. ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 19:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::{{u|TheAafi}} Nice work, I think I'll Support if there could be a better image, good luck on exams! ] (]) 19:56, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article is better, I don't know about any wikimedia problems with the image, but the new one at least looks better than the old one. ] (]) 20:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Inadequate depth of coverage. Article has a huge gap in coverage between ~1960 and 2002, when he was presumably doing all of his writing. What did he write about/what was his research field? There is a single sentence stating that he was an "''authority on historical and political movements of the Indian subcontinent''", but this needs to be a whole section, or well fleshed-out paragraph at minimum. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 00:10, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*: {{u|Spencer}}, Allow me some time and I'll address this issue. I'll be back once I'm done with this. ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 03:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::{{u|AafiOnMobile}}, focus on your exams. Do not worry about rushing to make these edits. You have at least 4-5 more days to get this article ready for homepage. Good luck. ] (]) 05:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:::{{u|Ktin}},Thank you for the supplement. I'm done with the exam and this is why I'm editing the article. I'll be expanding and updating it timely. :) ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 05:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Spencer}}, I've tried addressing this issue as much as I could. It is very hard at this moment to find much in-depth coverage, even offline. I guess the book ] has co-authored about him would be available here, but still idk when I'll have access to it.The {{tq|What did he write about/what was his research field?}} is addressed mostly. ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 05:05, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per TRM - too soon for a non-free image to be used. For all we know someone might have photographed him on Monday. Enough time needs to pass since his death to be certain that a free alternative cannot reasonably be found. — ] (]) 14:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Amakuru}}, If the image is the only problem, let us not use it at all. A free alternative image may be added later. ], that I wrote in October, is still without an image, and it featured in the ITN section on ]. I don't know any other problem? ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 16:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 05:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Strong Support''' on notability. Infer to others on quality of the article. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Captain Sir Tom Moore ==== | |||
*'''Support''' on notability, a major nation joining a major economic sphere. I find it funny that people are saying the absolutely huge and generally very high-quality BRICS article having a few CN tags makes this not ITN-worthy. --] (]) 21:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose on notability''' BRICS is nothing like ASEAN, EU, NATO, AU or CARICOM. It's China's and Russia's little project to try and score some political allies and try to emulate successful supranational organisations but it has very little relevance politically or economically, mainly due to the fact China, Russia, India and Brazil are not on equal footing in economics nor political clout, and they often have wildly conflicting interests, never mind the smaller members who are only there to make up the numbers. ] (]) 23:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... ] (]) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::You could not, both of those have strong systems of mutual obligation. ] (]) 05:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' per Gotitbro. An international organization does not need to be as developed as the EU, CARICOM, or ASEAN for membership to be newsworthy. The bar does not need to be that high, and countries making multilateral groupings is notable international diplomacy in its own right. ] (]) 15:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' A join of a country in a major bloc is always notable. ] (]) 00:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) Resignation of Justin Trudeau ==== | |||
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| article = Resignation of Justin Trudeau | ||
| image = Prime Minister Trudeau's message on Christmas 2023 (0m29s) (cropped).jpg | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| blurb = ] ''(pictured)'' announces his ''']''' as the ] after serving in the role for nine years. | |||
| sources = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881753 | |||
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | |||
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| sign = Major development in Canadian politics, leader for nine years. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 16:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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:::'''NOTE''' The linked page is currently at AfD and cannot be posted until that is resolved. The discussion should probably be suspended or closed pending the outcome of the AfD. -] (]) 21:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' and added myself as an updater. ]] (] 16:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' yeah basically what OP said ] (]) 16:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong support''' Did plenty for his community. May he rest in peace. ''']''' ] ] 16:24, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Wait''' We generally post the transition. He is still the PM for now. -] (]) 16:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*:*'''Comment''' Can you point to a case where it was decided to wait until an official transition happens? ] 19:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Note: his misguided first marriage to "Billie" (which lasted 15 years), has now been expunged, as his autobiography is not considered a suitable source (Talk page discussion ongoing). ] (]) 16:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - format should be ALT2, per in 2022. Trudeau isn't resigning yet, only announcing his intention to do so once a successor is chosen. — ] (]) 16:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' the medals section is mostly unreferenced, but I also don't care. --] (]) 16:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Comment''' It will take a few months for his replacement to be picked and will remain until then, so give that length of time this would be reasonable to post, though I have not had a chance yet to look at the article for quality. ] (]) 16:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Needs expansion''' - the news of the resignation is just one line in the article so far, and there are no reactions. Suggest a bit of expansion there. — ] (]) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong support''' ftr. In fact, the strongest I've ever given an ITN to date. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:* '''Support ALT2 on notability''' per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.<br>] (]) 16:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:*Please, let's not encourage the addition of reactions, particularly if it is just commentary and not actual statements of intent. Reaction sections artificially inflate most news articles and are just bad content.<span id="Masem:1736180927713:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</span> | |||
*'''Wait''' until successor is elected. ] (]) 16:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose on quality''' only one line in the target about the resignation. We posted Biden not seeking re-election so I don't see why we shouldn't post Trudeau's resignation. ] (]) 16:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) RD: Hal Holbrook==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = Hal Holbrook | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
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| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = TDKR Chicago 101 | |||
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| nom cmt = Article well sourced. Death was announced today (a few minutes ago) despite his death being a week old. | |||
| sign = --] (]) 06:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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:'''Wait''' Obviously a significant story that a long-term head of government resigns like this, but will need the article to be expanded further before it's ready to post. ] (]) 16:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:*'''Weak Support''' - very notable, large worldwide influence, but article quality not amazing. | |||
*'''Support''' Deep Throat was Abraham Lincoln, the people need to know. ] (]) 07:24, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:] (]) 17:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak neutral''' - the bio starts quite nicely, but then degenerates a bit into a series of one-line paragraphs. It's generally OK though, so I'll stay on the fence for now. Cheers — ] (]) 12:08, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support'''. We posted the last four British PMs' announcements of intent to resign, (Truss , Johnson , May , Cameron ) even though their system allows for leaderships to happen within days and/or weeks. In Canada, Trudeau will remain PM until a the party membership elects a new leader, which will take at least a couple months. The news is the announcement that is itself the culmination of a month long political crisis in the country. Both articles seem largely fine, with a paragraph about the resignation itself and sourced. Reactions will come, but the news is the resignation not reactions. ---- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 17:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:*{{ping|Amakuru}} Fixed it. --] (]) 12:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:To add to this, ALT2 should be used, since it is an intention to resign, not the actual resignation. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 17:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Writing problems are fixed and it's all cited well. ] (]) 13:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Given that there appears to be a growing consensus in support of posting this, and apparently this was done with more recent UK PMs, are we now going to routinely double post changes in administration? i.e. An announced resignation or intent to resign, and then the successor? -] (]) 17:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' - thanks TDKR for addressing the point I raised... — ] (]) 14:09, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::In this sort of circumstance, when the announcement and the change of office are significantly separate from each other in time, certainly. This is different from the installation of a new US president, which follows automatically in January after the November election, because there are two separate pieces of newsworthy content - the decision of Trudeau to resign, and the choice of his successor - which at this point we don't know. It would be a bit bizarre to stay silent on something that's unexpected front-page news across the globe, just because of the technicality that we know we're going to be back to post another update in a few weeks' time... — ] (]) 17:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::The key bit in this case and the UK PMs cases is not the resignation in of it self, but doing so amidst an ongoing political crisis of some sort. I imagine that the precedent being set would not be for all resignation announcements of ITNR political officeholders, since some may be fairly "normal" (e.g. resigning for health reasons totally unconnected to any political scandal) though I would be in support of that. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support ALT2''' pretty much what the OP said. I would prefer the ALT2 blurb as it is worded a bit closer to the truth than the main blurb. '']'' 17:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Mostly Support''' Pretty big news but needs expansion but I doubt that will take very long. ] (]) 17:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== February 1 == | |||
*'''Support''' per nom. --] (]) 17:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Comment''' - the "Minority government" section and the material I've just moved up to the last paragraph of the "Pending resignation" section need citations. — ] (]) 17:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{Portal:Current events/2021 February 1}} | |||
*'''Support''' - Per original nomination comment, specifically ALT2 for accuracy. - ] (] | ]) 17:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak Oppose for now''' we generally post the actual resignation and the succession of the new Prime Minister, not the announcement of an intention to resign at some unspecified point in the future. I'm not necessarily opposed to setting a new precedent, but normally we would wait. ] (]) 17:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' per above, pref. ALT2 ] (]) 18:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' This is a big development for Canada and North America as a whole. ] (]) 19:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose''' He literally could not hold power in office for much longer. He would be forced to step down in a few months, he just chose to do it right now. Also he will still remain in office for the duration of his tenure. Not that exciting, not that important. From canada's laws, this is was going to happen. ] (]) 18:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. ] (]) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::I don't see your point. The announcement of resignation (not in quotes, since he did actually state that he intended to resign) is major news, regardless of whether it happens now, or in a few months time. ] (])<sup><span style="color: green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 19:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Are you seriously trying to argue that a longtime leader of a major nation stepping down is not major news because it was “going to happen anyways?” ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Completely disagree with {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} above. The opposite is true: the end of Trudeau is the exciting story which is ITN; the appointment of the temporary LPC replacement in a couple months after the LPC election is the formality which is relatively less important. To the point of {{u|Ad Orientem}}, although this will effectively result in "a double post" when Canada's new prime minister is inaugurated (probably after an LPC leader election), this is justified in the circumstances because each event is independently ITN and notable. Trudeau's resignation marks "the end of an era" of 10 years of LPC rule with him at the helm. He, Trudeau the individual, has been at the heart of a highly publicized dispute with the American President. It is evident to me that there is a high level of international buzz about the "end of Trudeau", which might not be present anymore when we find out who the new Liberal is that will temporarily replace him for a few months prior to the Fall election. I therefore support posting now. ]]] ] 18:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:@] it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. ] (]) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::@]: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word ''will'' refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ] (])<sup><span style="color: green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:::I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -] (]) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::::@] the eurocentrism here is saddening ] (]) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:::::I agree. Systemic bias has long been a serious problem on the project. -] (]) 21:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:::::] is not in ]. ] (]) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::::::It's still Eurocentricism though. -- ]] 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:::::::I find Manitoba and the territories to still have their own things going in 2025 and BC to be more of an Asian outpost, but yeah, Trudeau's province has a Paris, London, Brussels, Athens ''and'' Zurich in it. ] (]) 14:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::::Assuming all other requirements are met, I would support such a resignation for any political officeholder to which ITNR applies. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::You seem obviously bias towards Trump's expansionism ] (]) 00:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:::@] I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the {{tq|Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning}} comment. They tried to get ] deleted recently as well; between that and other generally poor behavior on ITN/C, wondering if a tempban from projectspace is in order. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 08:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::::Yeah that might be a good idea. Definitely seems non-neutral. ] (]) 12:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' per FlipFlopped and others. It's in the news now. ] (]) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
'''Weak support''' mostly because he's been prime minister of a G7 country for a decade now, kinda like Merkel. Would like to point out though that if consensus is to post about future important resignations, ] should be updated accordingly—in part so we can actually define what an "important resignation" actually is. ] (]) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose'''. No reason not to wait until the actual leadership change occurs. Yes, it is news now. It will also most certainly be news when the official transfer of power occurs. ] (]) 18:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Well, one reason—this might take something like three months based on the prorogation, and in all likelihood will receive consistently high coverage during all that time. It would be odd to only bring up Trudeau's resignation on ITN months after it actually happened, and months after it actually was news. Hence why, as mentioned above, similar blurbs have been posted before for UK prime ministers. ] (]) 19:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Alt II Per Patar knight and Amakuru above. <small> ] (]) (it/she) </small> 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Major news. ''']''' (]) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support Alt2''' per Patar knight and Amakuru. ] (]) 19:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' per our precedent with UK prime ministers. ] (]) 20:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support Altblurb 2''' Very important to Canadian and to an extent international politics. Article is rapidly expanding and should be sufficient by the time any admin sees this. I'm also fine with the original blurb, but I like Alt2 more. --] (]) 20:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' on notability, with no comment on article quality (haven't checked yet). I think I prefer Alt2 because Trudeau's tenure spans longer than 9 years, making the more generalized language preferable in this instance. ] ] 21:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' Important to note that the article is up for deletion and the consensus is YES to not keep the article, so I think it should not be posted. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> | |||
*'''Support''', though the target article should be changed to ] pending the outcome of the main resignation article's AfD. ] (]) 21:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''', bolded Trudeau, until the resignation AfD is closed. ]] 22:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
'''pull''' he is not head of state to be ITNR and there is not new PM even. the election is a while way away. We should post the confirmation that trump was officially elected POTUS today.] (]) 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Isn't that contradictory ]? And I thought we'd already ITNed the result of the US election. ] (]) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:This is not being proposed as an ITNR item, and even in that case, the criteria for politicians at ITNR is {{tq|holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government,}}, which for Canada, is the PM. The resignation itself is news. You are free to nominate the electoral vote count, but given that is ] routine that simply follows the November result, it will almost certainly not be posted. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Nobody said anything about ITNR. ] (]) 23:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - shouldn't "Prime Minister of Canada" be capitalized as per ]? ] (]) ] 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:Bring it up on ]. ] (]) 11:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Pull''' - he hasn't resigned, he announced his intention to resign. We should only post his successor. -- ]] 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''pull''' per Rockstone. Trudeu has not resigned and we must await the appointment of his successor. The precedent with British prime ministers is a mistake. ] (]) 11:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Can you really call it a mere mistake when, as per Patar knight above, it's been consciously done four times already? It seems more like there's a new consensus now where certain types of resignation announcements ''can'' go on ITN. ] (]) 13:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' post-posting. If nothing else, Trudeau has suspended the parliament of Canada while a party proceeding takes places. I do think the blurb should mention the proroguing, but I do think the resignation announcement of a ] leader warrants a blurb. — ] <sub>]</sub> 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== January 5 == | |||
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==== RD: Al MacNeil ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article |
| article = Al MacNeil | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | |||
| sources = ; | |||
| updated |
| updated = yes | ||
| nominator |
| nominator = Kline | ||
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | |||
| updater = Bloom6132 | |||
| nom cmt = Former NHL player and ]-winning coach. Article is in okay shape minus one CN tag. | |||
| nom cmt = | |||
| sign = ] • ] • ] 16:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ] (]) 08:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Weak oppose''' - the guy had a long career, but really the only thing we're covering is the chemotherapy developments which took place in the 1960s. Is there nothing else to say about his subsequent work? Cheers — ] (]) 12:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|Amakuru}} I've added an additional paragraph that should suffice. Please note that every award listed is post-1960s. —] (]) 13:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment:''' Article really doesn't do his career justice, particularly his career in the 1950s at NCI. Ref 1 is a dead link for me (bare link url to the NIH site). Article should clarify when he started at MD Anderson. Possible additional sources: | |||
** Pop the DOI into ] if you need to get around the paywall. Has more details about his personal life including family. | |||
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--''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|Spencer}} Thanks for the sources! I've archived the deadlink and made use of the first one to address the last CN tag. The second source was already included (ref 9), but I've re-used it to verify his start at MD Anderson. —] (]) 01:28, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - sad to see this, remember reading about him a while back and he made significant contributions early in the oncology field. Article is understated and could use improvement but meets the minimum requirements I think. - ] (]) 00:43, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 08:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' It's fine. ] (]) 13:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 15:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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==== RD: Mike Rinder ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Mike Rinder | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | | sources = | ||
| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Ad Orientem <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | |||
| updaters = Yoshi876 | |||
| nom cmt = Former spokesman for ], and later outspoken critic of the church. Article is in surprisingly good shape with just one CN tag. | |||
| creator = Yoninah | |||
| sign = -] (]) 00:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| nom cmt = Canadian philanthropist. | |||
| sign = ] <small>(] | ])</small> 06:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
}} | }} | ||
* '''Comment''': I fixed the citation-needed tag by providing a source. I also checked all the citations and added an archived version where needed. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]</span> 02:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - article seems to meet requirements. - ] (]) 07:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 07:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' - ] (]) 10:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== |
==== 82nd Golden Globe Awards ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = 82nd Golden Globe Awards <!-- Do not wikilink --> | ||
| image = Fernanda Torres-68482.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| blurb = At the ''']''', ] ''(pictured)'' becomes the first Brazilian actress to win the award for ].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. --> | |||
| sources = | |||
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | |||
| nominator = Ktin | |||
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | |||
| updater = | |||
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | |||
| nom cmt = American labor leader. Article is almost there. A few sections are unsourced and these would need to be sourced. | |||
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | |||
| sign = ] (]) 23:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. --> | |||
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | |||
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | |||
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | |||
| nom cmt = Unusual victory. Brazil is at the top. <!-- Additional comments go here --> | |||
| sign = ] (]) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Oppose''' Golden Globes are not an ITNR)(I know it wasn't nominated as such) but if we are going to post any winners from these they should match the categories that we use for Oscars and Emmys, which are generally unremarkable this year. Fine tuning which specific category to feature so to highlight a first is not good use of ITN (what about Demi Moore's first major award, for example?) ] (]) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Almost nothing on his death, and although it starts out well sourced, by the end there are only ~1-2 sources per section. ] (]) 00:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*:A Brazilian actress winning a major American production award is a remarkable event. Theoretically she had not chance against ], ] and ]. ] (]) 18:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''', wasn't ] the first Japanese to win the same category but for television at the same event? Being Brazilian doesn't make it extraordinary. ] ]<sup>]</sup> 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::I'll try and get some sourcing and whatnot done in the next couple of hours, but I doubt it will be enough for the time being. ] (]) 00:41, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*'''Oppose''' It is very difficult to imagine this kind of news getting widespread coverage as is required by ]. ] (]) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Comment''' Was considering nominating Golden Globes myself, but the issue, in my opinion, is that it lacks "main" categories like the Best Picture and Best Actor/Actress to include in the blurb without it favoring a particular genre/format. ] (]) 19:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - presumably some of the same references which cover the early sections also apply to the later sections which need improvement currently, but still have to be matched appropriately. This is perhaps a case of having too much content being inhibitory to posting, versus someone whose article has much less content which can more easily get approved. - ] (]) 07:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose''' on significance; these awards are much less influential than the Oscars, serving mostly as a hint of what might win those bigger prizes. We already have six different sets of film awards on ITNR and I don't think we need more, though I can see an argument that the Golden Globes have similar influence to BAFTAs. '''Oppose''' on quality - the article is a long series of tables with minimal prose and no reactions. '''Strong oppose''' the blurb as written, which focusses on the nationality of a single category winner. ] ] 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Indefensible}}, Yes, partly agree. But, we can definitely improve the article. ] was in a similar state, but, we were able to get it to homepage levels of hygiene. This one will take time, but, will be done soon. Cheers. ] (]) 07:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' too many unreferenced claims. ] <small>(])</small> 07:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== |
==== RD: Joseph Bendounga==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Joseph Bendounga | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | | sources = | ||
| updated = |
| updated = Yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Faldi00 | ||
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| creator = | ||
| updaters = | |||
| nom cmt = American photographer. <s>Article requires some good amount of work including acting on removal of the yellow box. I will work on this one later this evening. If someone wants to get to this before, please feel free to. Thanks.</s> Thorough rewrite done. Article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. | |||
| nom cmt = Central African lawyer and politician, known for his eternal opposition to every presidential administration | |||
| sign = ] (]) 23:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ] (]) 06:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Support''' - looks good to me. ] <small>(] | ])</small> 05:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 07:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' - ] (]) 08:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
====RD: |
==== (Posted) RD: The Vivienne==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = The Vivienne | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | | sources = | ||
| updated = |
| updated = Yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Tayce Widdrington | ||
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| creator = Another Believer | ||
| updaters = Brunnaiz, Orangesclub, Is it Juan? | |||
| nom cmt = | | nom cmt = | ||
| sign = ] (]) |
| sign = ] (]) 19:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Comment''' American attorney and judge. ] (]) 13:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak support''' per ]. There is a bit where the writer mentions things about Fay that sounds like a promotion. Otherwise it's ready. ''']''' ] ] 14:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Neutral''' Meh, article is OK. ''']''' ] ] 14:57, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose'''. Added one tag for info not covered in a ref. Incomplete depth of coverage: as with other judges nominated at RD I would really like to see specific information on cases he saw, rather than vague obit-style quotes about his career. Article could also use an update, as St. Thomas will only be naming it's Moot Courtroom after Fay, not the whole school . Other gaps appear in his career, such as him serving on the Special Panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, Independent Counsel from 1994-2006 . . Per , Judge Fay was noteworthy for "unique and innovative procedures" related to an airline disaster case, highlighted more in depth . ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 00:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Soft oppose'''. Prose looks to be well-cited, but discography and filmography need more refs. ] (]) 19:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) RD: Jack Palladino==== | |||
<s>*'''Oppose''' for now until the discography and filmography tables have more refs.</s> ] (]) 21:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC) - changed to support, everything looks referenced now. ] (]) 09:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
*'''Support''' as references for the discography and filmography tables have been filled out. '''] <span style="color:#f7630c">]</span>''' 08:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| article = Jack Palladino | |||
*'''Support''', discography and filmography citation issues appear to have been resolved. ] (]) 17:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
*'''Support''' - Now well cited, article appears to be in good shape. ''']''' ''(] | ])'' 19:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| sources = ; ; | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = Bloom6132 | |||
| updater = Bloom6132 | |||
| updater2 = Pkeets | |||
| nom cmt = | |||
| sign = ] (]) 04:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
}} | |||
*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 07:56, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 10:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' American private investigator and attorney. ] (]) 13:08, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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==== RD: S. A. Khaleque==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = S. A. Khaleque | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | | sources = | ||
| updated = |
| updated = Yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = History6042 | ||
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| creator = Vinegarymass911 | ||
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| updaters = Dominus Moravian | ||
| nom cmt = Bangladesh Nationalist Party politician | |||
| nom cmt = COVID-19 researcher. Article is being fleshed out. <s>Not ready yet for mainpage but, I will work on it later this evening in case others do not.</s> Gave this a quick break into segments and added some basic content. But, article is ready as it stands right now to get in within the 7 day marker. Thanks {{u|Indefensible}} first for the catch and {{u|Amakuru}} for the second catch. | |||
| sign = ] (]) |
| sign = ] '''(])''' 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
}} | }} | ||
*''' |
*'''Oppose''' on article quality, article consists pretty much only of a summary of his political career. ] (]) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''' The article is a stub. Ping me when the situation improves. '''<span style="background:#0057b7">]</span><span style="background:#ffd700">]</span>''' 05:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Indefensible}}, Eikes. My bad -- I missed this. ] (]) 22:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::If the earliest announcement was on 26 Jan then you should be OK. You have up to 7 days to get it ready. — ] (]) 22:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:::Pretty close then, let's get this one ready {{u|Ktin}}. Looks pretty good already. - ] (]) 22:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' A bit short but says everything it needs to. ] (]) 22:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose''' A shade too brief on his academic/research career; he has 70 publications--what were they about? ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:{{u|Spencer}}, thanks Spencer. This is done.Please have a look at your convenience. ] (]) 01:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 07:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 10:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== |
==== RD: Costas Simitis ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Costas Simitis | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | | sources = | ||
| updated = |
| updated = | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
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| creator = | ||
| updaters = | |||
| nom cmt = Kenyan businessman & politician. | |||
| nom cmt = Former Greek Prime Minister | |||
| sign = - ] (]) 19:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| sign =] (]) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Oppose''' 3 cn tags, 3 orange tags and a yellow tag. This article is a long, ''long'' way from being posted ''']''' (]) 11:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Support'''</s> satis. ] <small>(])</small> 20:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong Support''' Article is very high quality compared to most other RD candidates, definitely important enough as well. --] (]) 04:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Weak oppose''' AleatoryPonderings' point is spot on, some of the tone needs adjustment, let's stick with biography, not hagiography. ] <small>(])</small> 21:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:I wouldn't consider the article in "high quality" as there's unreferenced paragraphs throughout the article. ] (]) 04:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Support''' Full of satis. ''']''' ] ] 20:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC)</s> | |||
*'''Oppose''' Article needs ref work. --] (]) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*<s>:'''Oppose''' Thank you, ]. Article needs tone fix. ''']''' ] ] 04:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)</s> | |||
*<del>'''Oppose''' per ]. Reads like a bio you'd find on his personal website. ] (]) (]) 21:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC)</del> | |||
** '''Support'''. Nice job {{u|PCN02WPS}} in cleaning up the prose. ] (]) (]) 14:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' As per Aleatory above. ''']''' ] ] 14:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - Pinging oppose votes: {{ping|The Rambling Man|TuckerGladden|AleatoryPonderings|WikiLove Goat}} - I have gone through the article and done my best to remove the promotional tone and bring the article back in line with ]. I'd appreciate if you'd give the article another look. Thanks, ] <small>(] | ])</small> 05:59, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Thanks for updating the article PCN02WPS. - ] (]) 07:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Sweet, '''support'''. ''']''' ] ] 13:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
<s>*'''Comment''' TuckerGladden and WikiLove Goat are the same user and have been blocked for sockpuppetry. ] (]) 21:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)</s> | |||
:Hi, ]. Hope you are doing well. I was falsely blocked and accused of being a sockpuppet of Valkyried. I'm back now. Just wanted to clear the air. ''']''' ] ] 00:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Ah, ok, I will strike - sorry about that. ] (]) 01:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article improved, I don't see any issues now. ] (]) 21:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 22:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
====( |
==== (Closed) Congestion pricing ==== | ||
{{Atop|Consensus will not develop to post. ]] 09:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Congestion pricing in New York City | ||
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| blurb = New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city ''']''' in the ] | |||
| sources = | |||
| recent deaths = no | |||
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | |||
| ongoing = no | |||
| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| |
| ITNR = no | ||
| altblurb = New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city ''']''' in the ] | |||
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. --> | |||
| altblurb2 = | |||
| sign = – ] (]) 19:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = | |||
| nominator = Sagittarian Milky Way <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | |||
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | |||
| nom cmt = Delayed decades despite gridlock slowing ambulances+almost EU strength mass transit even to outer burbs, many lawsuits, trial court drama till late Fri afternoon (basically suburb ppl lawyers going ''irreparable harm from day 1! $15+toll!''), emergency appeal lost half day before the $9 "carmageddon" (0:00 local 05:00 UTC). $12 2028 $15 2031 license plate cameras @ all 25+ car entries to the island's southest 5mi/8km ed: 100+ incl. coast. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Oppose''' |
* '''Oppose''' Extremely limited scope, and effectively the same as toll roads with flex pricing that are used across the US. --] (]) 03:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*:Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. ] (]) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' tagged. ] <small>(])</small> 20:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::And? While NYC is big, it is not that big as to demand special consideration for something like this. ] (]) 04:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''{{strike|Oppose}}Support''' Article is now just about fine.{{strike|Very poor referencing, and some writing issues too.}} ] (]) 22:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. It's basically a local/regional news story dealing with traffic congestion. Yeah, I see why it's a big deal to people in New York. But if this was being implemented in New Delhi, I doubt it would get much notice here. And frankly it probably shouldn't. -] (]) 04:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Very poorly written and has very bad referencing. Filmography is tagged; issues need to be resolved before we think about posting this. ''']''' ] ] 20:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per Masem and Ad Orientem. Not of worldwide significance ''']''' (]) 08:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''{{strike|Oppose}}''' {{strike|Maintenance tag in section.}} Post posting '''support'''. Kudos to {{ping|PCN02WPS}} for the improvements. --] (]) 12:36, 4 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' "City introduces congestion charge". This is news? London (and a number of other cities) already beat them to that. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support blurb'''. No, I'm just kidding. ] ] 00:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*''' |
*'''Oppose''' NYC is not even the first in North America. Mexico City introduced a system of restrictions and fines in 1989 – see ]. ]🐉(]) 09:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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*'''Oppose'''. Unsourced filmography. — ] (]) 10:26, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' filmography completely unsourced, multiple other places need a cite too. ]] (] 10:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Not completely unsourced, ''Screeched: Saved by the Smell'' has ''two''. Granted, that just makes the rest look worse. But hey, at least the filmography doesn't imply he stabbed a guy, like the sourced section does. ] (]) 11:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::Well in fairness, sources do actually say he was sentenced for stabbing someone! — ] (]) 12:06, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::They only got him for disorderly conduct and possession, they ''tried to'' prove more (and couldn't). ] (]) 12:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::But yes, CNN ''did'' actually say what you say it did there, ''your'' point is fair enough. ] (]) 12:56, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
<s>*'''Oppose''' Horrible article. ''']''' ] ] 14:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)</s> Blocked sock. ] (]) 21:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' I ]ly commented out the filmography (not the first time this has happened) because honestly, Diamond was known as one character and that's covered well in the career section. Seems good enough for me. --] (]) 16:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
** That is not an appropriate action; as an actor, I would fully expect a filmography section to be present, so commenting it out to sweep it under the rug is not acceptable. --] (]) 17:45, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*** Seems to fit the spirit of ] to me. Not sure why the films/shows themselves are not considered reliable sources; no difference in editorial oversight between a textual and visual medium, but that's not my hill to die on. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 17:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
****Some of the films don't even have articles. ] is policy. ] <small>(])</small> 18:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*****As TRM states, if these were all main roles easily checked by the lede of the target article, this likely won't be a problem. But most of these are guest spots, which require more detailed sourcing, which should have been added when they were added to the article per BLP sourcing requirements. --] (]) 04:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*** IDK what the problem his, he had one role that mattered: saved by the bell, listing every guest appearance in a table adds nothing of value for our readers, but I also don't care that much at this point. --] (]) 18:51, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - I don't guarantee results, but I am making an attempt to clean up the article (writing and sourcing) in order to try to get this on the main page. ] <small>(] | ])</small> 04:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Pinging oppose votes: {{ping|Indefensible|The Rambling Man|Gex4pls|TuckerGladden|NoonIcarus|BD2412|Amakuru|Joseph2302|WikiLove Goat}} I have done my best to improve the quality of the article and its sourcing. I'd appreciate any feedback or re-evaluation of the nomination. Thanks, ] <small>(] | ])</small> 05:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::Much closer, but still has a few too many items that need references I think. Good work on the improvements. - ] (]) 06:56, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:::{{u|Indefensible}}, if it's not too much trouble, could you CN-tag some of the places that need refs? ] <small>(] | ])</small> 07:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*::::Yes, have done so in the article in a few places where statements seem to be lacking a ref. Chances are they are covered by one of the existing refs and just need to be tagged. - ] (]) 07:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:::::{{u|Indefensible}}, all CN tags have been taken care of. ] <small>(] | ])</small> 15:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Referencing now sorted.-- ] (]) 15:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted'''. Referencing looks in good shape now. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 22:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
====( |
==== (Closed) Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor ==== | ||
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. Closing early per ] --]] 06:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC) {{NAC}} }} | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor | ||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = TuckerGladden | |||
| updater = Bloom6132 | |||
| nom cmt = First woman president of ABC Entertainment. Article looks good. | |||
| sign = ''']''' ] ] 18:07, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
}} | |||
*<s>'''Oppose''' - needs referencing improvement currently. - ] (]) 18:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)</s> | |||
:*{{re|Indefensible}} done. —] (]) 00:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' tagged. ] <small>(])</small> 20:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|The Rambling Man}} tags now addressed. —] (]) 00:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''{{strike|Oppose}}''' {{strike|Entire filmography section unsourced.}} All fixed up, nice job Bloom. ] (]) 02:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|Gex4pls}} filmography all sourced now. —] (]) 00:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::*Sweet, changing to a support. ] (]) 02:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' per improvement by Bloom6132, article now looks good. - ] (]) 00:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 03:08, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
====RD: Percy Tucker==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = Percy Tucker | |||
| recent deaths = y00000000000000000 | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = Abishe | |||
| updater = Abishe | |||
| nom cmt = introduced the first electronic theatre booking system in the world. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 13:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
}} | |||
*'''Support''' Good little article, needs referencing though. ''']''' ] ] 14:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' I'm surprised that if ] "drastically changed the fortunes in the global entertainment industry" that (a) it doesn't have an article and (b) I've never 'eard of it... ] <small>(])</small> 15:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' As per Tucker above. ''']''' ] ] 18:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' - article seems to meet RD requirements. - ] (]) 19:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose''' - we're told that he founded Computicket and pioneered the use of electronic tickets (via a "source" which makes you click Next 18 times in order to view one of text!) and that he was CEO of the company for the next 23 years, but nothing beyond that. How did the company do during those years? Did it remain at the forefront of that business? And how was the product globalised? Cheers — ] (]) 10:17, 2 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Weak oppose''' per Amakuru. Insufficient depth of coverage of the subject. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) Aung San Suu Kyi detained in potential coup ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = 2021 Myanmar coup d'état attempt | |||
| article2 = Aung San Suu Kyi | |||
| image = | | image = | ||
| blurb = ] |
| blurb = ] announced that he will be making a spiritual successor to the original game, ]. | ||
| recent deaths = no | | recent deaths = no | ||
| ongoing = no | | ongoing = no | ||
| ITNR = no | | ITNR = no | ||
| altblurb = |
| altblurb = | ||
| altblurb2 = |
| altblurb2 = | ||
| sources = | |||
| sources = , , , , | |||
| updated = |
| updated = | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Bakhos2010 | ||
| creator = | | creator = BarntToust | ||
| updaters = |
| updaters = | ||
| nom cmt = |
| nom cmt = I'm not sure if the blurb is good, but you can create an alternative blurb if you want. | ||
| sign = ] |
| sign = ] <small>]</small> 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
}} | }} | ||
* |
*'''Oppose''' just an announcement, and we typically never post news about video games except when they win awards. ''''']·]·]''''' 04:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''' per Tube of Light. --] (]) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom per above. And honestly, it's borderline trivial compared to most of what gets nominated here and not posted. -] (]) 04:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Absolutely promotional, we do not feature any type of product announcement. --] (]) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per Tube of Light and Masem. Does not meet ] ''']''' (]) 04:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose''' good-faith nomination per ]. --] (]) 05:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' We should use this article instead ] and also change it to 1 February, considering this happened at 1 February local time. ] (]) 00:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Strong oppose''' Minecraft 2 is one of very few non-award gaming events I would support a blurb on. Problem is, Notch can't make it ever since he sold the rights of the game to Microsoft. I might support it if it becomes the bestselling game of all time, but I don't know how likely it is for that to happen. ] (]) 05:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Done, thanks. ] (]) 00:21, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose''' per Masem & MtPenguinMonster ] (]) 05:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Wait''' the article sucks. Detained where? How? No statement from the military? If you take out the filler "background" section there is no meat on the article. Also can someone confirm if we like Aung San Suu Kyi or not? If we do, it's a coup, but if we don't, it's an "]" --] (]) 00:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' until release ] (]) 05:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:You can support a coup or a not, but it's a coup. The article is written in an encyclopedic and neutral tone. ] (]) 00:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{abot}} | |||
::Right but Maduro Derangement Syndrome compelled us to call the ] an "uprising". Anyway I think we "like" Aung San Suu Kyi because we blurbed her nobel prize, blurbed her getting out of prison, blurbed her election, so I expect "coup" is the correct nomenclature here but I just wanted someone to double check me. Article still sucks. --] (]) 00:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::: No, we (and, indeed, many others) don't like her anymore (]). Regardless, though, this is just a military coup. ] 00:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::Exactly. We incorrectly called the Venezuela one an uprising, but I don't think calling this one an uprising too would right that wrong. ] (]) 03:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' but the article does need a little work. ] (]) 00:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
* '''Support''' - the paucity of information in the article is just because not much information is available right now. However, what's there is clear and well-cited and no doubt will continue to improve as more information is reported. ] (]) 00:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Update needed''' - as the military has now confirmed this is a coup, the blurb should be changed to reflect that when it is posted. ] (]) 02:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Wait''' - the article is essentially a stub, Misplaced Pages is not a newspaper but rather an encyclopedia. It would be better not to rush but to wait until there is more information and the article is improved. - ] (]) 01:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Wait''': The claim has not yet been independently verified. All sources are currently only referencing what the party says. ] (]) 01:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:The Military's own media has declared a 1 year state of emergency ] (]) 02:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' military confirms, then it's legit. Article is short but good enough given this development. --] (]) 02:54, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
**Though could we ''please'' not have the wall of reactions? No reasonable country is going to endorse the uprising. --] (]) 02:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' military confirms.--] (]) 03:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Bio article is good, other is meh. A major coup, could have ramifications throughout SE Asia. ] (]) 03:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*{{Posted}} The coup article has a statement by the military which I believe is the bare minimum to post, although I agree that it's currently a bit short. – ] (] • ]) 03:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
**@]: Shouldn't it say "coup d'état" instead of "potential coup"? The blurb with "potential coup" was written when the situation was still unclear. ] (]) 03:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
***{{ping|Johndavies837}} I wanted to be cautious, but as it appears that the coup has been (for now) successful, it seems appropriate to duly change the blurb. (Also, FYI, use {{tl|ping}} to get the effect you wanted.) – ] (] • ]) 04:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== January |
== January 4 == | ||
{{cot|]}} | {{cot|]}} | ||
{{Portal:Current events/ |
{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 4}} | ||
{{cob}} | {{cob}} | ||
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==== |
==== RD: Richard B. Hays ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Richard B. Hays <!-- Do not wikilink --> | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = HistoryTheorist <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| updaters = HistoryTheorist, Marbe166, Jkaharper, Innerstrife, Normantas Bataitis | |||
| nom cmt = Died on the third but death announced January 4. Article needs some sourcing work, but I'm nominating anyway. Hopefully the nomination means that the article can get some attention. | |||
| sign = ]] 05:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
}} | |||
==== RD: Claude Allègre ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = Claude Allègre<!-- Do not wikilink --> | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. --> | |||
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | | updaters = Chaiten1<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | ||
| nom cmt = |
| nom cmt = French politician and scientist<!-- Additional comments go here --> | ||
| sign = |
| sign = ''']''' (]) 12:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 20:59, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Really nice article. ] (]) 22:11, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article is good, all sourced and very well written. ] (]) 22:46, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 23:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose'''. Political career section is completely uncited, and some awards are missing sourcing as well. ] (]) 19:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== 2021 World Men's Handball Championship ==== | |||
:: Political career section now updated with citations; scientific career and awards also updated and cited. ] (]) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Tomiko Itooka ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | |||
| article = Tomiko Itooka | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = TJMSmith <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| creator = 103.85.36.150 | |||
| updaters = Jake11223344, INgIEroC | |||
| nom cmt = Japanese supercentenarian. Date death announced. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 15:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
}} | |||
:{{comment}} Noting that I should not receive creation credit (if that's a thing at ITN) as I only created the page as a redirect and did not edit beyond that. <span style="color:green">](he/him)<sup>]</sup></span> 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Updated! ] (]) 23:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
'''Comment''' Tomiko Itooka was the oldest living person as well at the time of her death, and we've generally posted these supercentenarian when they are at the top. Although, its not there yet. ] (]) 16:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' So far, not enough breadth in the article to warrant main page posting. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''<s>Strong</s> Support''' Oldest living person in the world at the time, making her certainly notable enough for RD. Article is subpar but ultimately not a stub. --] (]) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Strong Support''' They were the oldest person so that makes her notable. --] (]) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:@] and @], RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::Alright, thank you for the explanation. ] (]) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Short but adequate. -] (]) 04:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Closed) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes ==== | |||
{{atop|A consensus to post at this point will not develop. Consider nominating again if this becomes bigger. --''']''' 12:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes | ||
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | | image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. --> | ||
| blurb = |
| blurb = Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in ] in ]. | ||
| recent deaths = | |||
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | |||
| ongoing = yes | |||
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | |||
| ITNR = yes | | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ||
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | | altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | ||
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | | altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | ||
| sources = , | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = no | | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = AsteriodX <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
| creator = |
| creator = AsteriodX | ||
| updaters = |
| updaters = AsteriodX | ||
| nom cmt = <!-- |
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here --> | ||
| sign = ] |
| sign = ] (]) 05:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Oppose''' |
*'''Oppose''' three months of low-level activity damaging 100 houses. Not significant enough. ]] 05:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Oppose''' per Stephen. Little to no unusually major impact thus far. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per TRM. Needs some serious tidy up - there are far too many tables, and far too little prose. Including any commentary at all on Denmark's performances and matches which led to their win. — ] (]) 10:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' |
*'''Oppose''' per Stephen, doesn't meet ]. ]] (]) 12:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
{{abottom}} | |||
*:::<small>''Say what?'' – ] (]) 14:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
*'''Oppose''' almost no text about the tournament, not even a summary of the final. ]] (] 15:39, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== January 3 == | |||
==== RD: Abraham J. Twerski ==== | |||
{{cot|]}} | |||
{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 3}} | |||
{{cob}} | |||
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==== RD: Hans Dieter Beck ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Hans Dieter Beck | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = and several others | |||
| sources = , | |||
| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Gerda Arendt | ||
| updaters = |
| updaters = Gerda Arendt, Grimes2 | ||
| creator = |
| creator = Thriley | ||
| nom cmt = Influential publisher in 6th generation of leading publishing house ]. New article by Thriley. | |||
| nom cmt = American rabbi and psychiatrist, died of COVID-19. | |||
| sign = ] |
| sign = --] (]) 12:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Oppose'''. Vast swathes of the article are large block-quotes of a single scholar's take on his work. ] (]) (]) 03:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' per AleatoryPonderings. ''']''' ] ] 04:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Seems like a nice guy, but I agree with AleatoryPonderings. Also, his works have almost no referances at all. ] (]) 13:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Only two of his bajillion works are referenced, as well as the problems mentioned above. ] (]) 13:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== |
==== RD: Yusuf Bhamjee ==== | ||
{{cot|]}} | |||
{{Portal:Current events/2021 January 30}} | |||
{{cob}} | |||
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==== (Posted) RD: Wilhelm Knabe ==== | |||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Yusuf Bhamjee | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = |
| sources = https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2025-01-03-tributes-pour-in-for-former-pmb-mayor-and-champion-of-service-delivery-yusuf-bhamjee/ | ||
| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = Lefcentreright | ||
| |
| updaters = Lefcentreright | ||
| nom cmt = Former anti-apartheid activist, mayor and member of parliament | |||
| nom cmt = Co-founder of The Greens in Germany, member of parliament, scientific knowledge of forests and environment, 97 rich years, in opposition already as a student in East Germany, then West, opposition to arms race ... - I am sorry it took me so long to expand the article. The source given here is the best, but so far only external link, - will work on it right now, he deserves it. | |||
| sign = '''<span style="background:#0057b7">]</span><span style="background:#ffd700">]</span>''' 06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ] (]) 17:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Support''' Very well deserved; only problem is sourcing. Either way I think it is ready for the main page. ''']''' ] ] 17:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''' - publications section may need clean up as it is largely unsupported, but otherwise the article looks good. - ] (]) 18:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*: I added a ref to it. --] (]) 19:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:'''Support''' per above. - ] (]) 19:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*: '''Comment.''' Gerda -- very nice job in expanding the article. Can you take one pass on trimming the lede of the article? Currently the lede is a narrative, keep it only to the most important elements in a declarative tone. Move the narrative to the appropriate sections within the main body. ] (]) 20:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:: That's what I did. With life in East and West, in science and politics, two parties, and these "firsts", hard to drop something. - I tried anyway. --] (]) 22:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 23:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
==== |
==== RD: Jeff Baena ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = Jeff Baena | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
| sources = | |||
| sources = ; | |||
| updated = yes | | updated = yes | ||
| nominator = |
| nominator = TJMSmith <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ||
| |
| creator = Zujine | ||
| updaters = 98.173.178.246, Simonthings18, DiaMali, Jolielover | |||
| nom cmt = | |||
| nom cmt = American screenwriter and film director. | |||
| sign = ] (]) 11:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
| sign = ] (]) 16:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
}} | }} | ||
*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough to be put on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 21:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 12:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Updated, now with good sources, and otherwise fully-sourced with satisfactory detail for ITN. ] (]) 02:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Lots of referances, really like it. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
* '''Support''' Article has been significantly improved upon since news broke and I believe it fits all the ITN criteria ]] 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article is well referenced and whatnot. ] (]) 14:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*<s>'''Not ready''' Filmography section is unreferenced and career section needs more references.</s> '''Support''' Article seems ready now. ] (]) 01:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Per all of the above. ''']''' ] ] 17:23, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:Besides producing ''Spin Me Round'', all of Baena's filmography roles are referenced in the career section. That section doesn't need more refs, nor is the filmography section really unreferenced, when it's a handful of projects all laid out directly above. ] (]) 04:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 17:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:: Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included ''Cinema Toast'', but this title cannot be found in the prose. --] (]) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about ''Cinema Toast'', I had just been looking at the film table. ] (]) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? ] (]) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::IDK, style preference? But you can if you want. ] (]) 21:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) |
==== (Posted) 2025 PDC World Darts Championship ==== | ||
{{ITN candidate | {{ITN candidate | ||
| article = |
| article = 2025 PDC World Darts Championship | ||
| image = Luke Littler.png | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| blurb = In darts, ] (pictured) wins the ''']'''. | |||
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. --> | |||
| |
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | ||
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | |||
| nominator = Nohomersryan <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| |
| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ||
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | |||
| nom cmt = Did some updating. I think this looks ok.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. --> | |||
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | |||
| sign = ] (]) 04:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| sources = | |||
| updated = yes | |||
| nominator = OZOO <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | |||
| updaters = JamesVilla44 | |||
| nom cmt = ITNR sporting final.<!-- Additional comments go here --> | |||
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*'''Comment''' I've ] bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. ] (]) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Good for main page. ''']''' ] ] 04:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*:<s>Article is currently '''not ready''' since some parts is still in future tense (Overview) and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications)</s> '''Support''' since the issues have been resolved. Excellent work with the referencing, {{ping|JamesVilla44}}! ] (]) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' – looks like it meets the criteria. Great work! —] (]) 06:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*::Reference adding in progress ] (]) 20:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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*::Seed section now referenced ] (]) 22:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*::Now referenced on pro tour qualification ] (]) 22:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of ]? Would this hinder it being posted? ] (]) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====(Posted) RD: Allan Burns==== | |||
:: MOS issues are generally a yellow "cleanup" tag issue, which doesn't prevent this from running, as only orange tags do. ]] (]) 12:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Trying to change them to fit but I'm not experienced with it and don’t know how to make the evening session bit work like it should. ] (]) 23:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Schedules should follow now, right? ] (]) 14:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Yes it should but there's something freaky on the table label showing the date on the show/hide function. ] (]) 20:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' The worlds most high-profile pub game being won by a guy too young to drink legally. Certainly interesting. There is one tag on there about referencing but looking at it, the tag shouldn't be there as the section seems well referenced as is the rest of it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 22:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' ITN/R, well-referenced, congrats to the lad. ] (]) 23:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support.''' Well referenced. Good to go. ] (]) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' looks to meet ]. Marking ready. ]] (]) 16:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted'''. ] 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== RD: Britt Allcroft ==== | |||
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| article = Britt Allcroft | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
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*'''Support''' - Meets ITN RD requirements, appears ready. ] (]) 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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*'''Comment''' Where's the citation for two paragraphs in her career section? ''']''' (]) 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> citation needed and awards table unreferenced. ] <small>(])</small> 08:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*<s>{{re|The Rambling Man}} removed both. The table was added by another editor after the two support votes (but before your vote). I hope no one decides to re-add it.</s> —] (]) 08:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
:*{{re|The Rambling Man}} table now all sourced. —] (]) 09:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::*'''Support''' good to go. ] <small>(])</small> 09:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 10:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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==== (Closed) Devastating eruption located ==== | ||
{{atop|SNOW closing (volcanic winter snow?), since there is a clear consensus that this will not get posted. If expanded enough, DYK is a good alternative. --''']''' 14:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
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| article = Zavaritski Caldera | ||
| image = Simushir ISS006-E-24468.jpg | |||
| recent deaths = yes | |||
| blurb = The ''']''' ''(pictured)'' which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. | |||
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| nominator = Indefensible <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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| nom cmt = Saudi environment minister, Air Force leader | |||
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| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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| updaters = Wtmitchell | |||
| nom cmt = A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as ] and ]. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the ] caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. | |||
| sign = ]🐉(]) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | |||
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*'''Support''' satis. ] <small>(])</small> 20:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' But I feel a couple sections could be combined. ] (]) 21:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' Article really nice, guy seems important. ] (]) 22:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 23:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:'''Oppose the blurb''': Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Misplaced Pages have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==== (Posted) RD: Sophie (musician) ==== | |||
:: The meteorological use of ] doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. ] 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::: I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. ]🐉(]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* '''Oppose''': the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. ] (]) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --] (]) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose''' due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. ] (]) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*'''Oppose'''. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in ] - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. ] ] 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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====(Posted) RD: Tariana Turia ==== | |||
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| article = Tariana Turia | ||
| recent deaths = yes | | recent deaths = yes | ||
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| updaters = Paora <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | ||
| nom cmt = Co-founder of ] | |||
| nom cmt = Article not ready yet. News still breaking. Musician/trans icon. Fairly okay sourcing. | |||
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* '''Support:''' Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) ] (]) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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*'''Support''' looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. ] (]) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Support''' Satis. ] (]) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:I don't agree with that last point I'm afraid. If she's widely known by the mononym, as is clear from the obits above as well as our own article title, then she should be listed under that mononym. I would say the ] policy should be followed for ITN entries in almost all cases, as it is for article titles. Cheers — ] (]) 14:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Not Ready''' On desktop and with standard width, the table under the "Labour Party" section title causes the text to be squeezed to 21 characters per row between it and the infobox on the right which makes the text needlessly hard to read. I am unsure where to move it. ] (]) 13:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*::] would agree. ] <small>(])</small> 15:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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*:{{Done}} Table moved. ] (]) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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*'''Support''' Article is about a fairly notable person and is quite well-written. --] (]) 20:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 21:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:::::We all know that website is rubbish and often publishes junk. ] ] <small>(])</small> 16:53, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::AFAIK, Xeon is a very unusual surname, and it's one of the interesting things about this person. Some, perhaps many, of Sophie's fans may not have known what her last name was. <br><small>— We shouldn't trash other Wikis by bad-mouthing them as "rubbish" and "junk" – that's garbage, and I refuse to play the game. </small> – ] (]) 17:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I think we're all aware now, courtesy of the number of times you tell us what de.wiki is posting, that the contributors there are not interested in verifiable encyclopedic content, I do wonder why you think it's useful to tell us what such a badly managed Misplaced Pages is doing, unless I suppose it's to use it as a "what ''not'' to do" suggestion. They can't even get her mononym correct. ] <small>(])</small> 10:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::<small>The point was not that German Wiki is so great, but that Wikipedians somewhere else thought it useful to list both names. <br>Please desist from rudely disparaging the Germans. – ] (]) 14:13, 31 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
::::::::::::It's German Misplaced Pages and those who think BLP isn't worth adhering to that I'm pointing out here. Time after time we get shown what de.wiki is doing, but it usually does it so badly, it's hardly an "example" to follow. They should be "informed" that they are incorrect, both on their main page and in the article. But then, verifiability isn't something they're worried about. ] <small>(])</small> 14:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Looks like they've corrected at least one of their errors. Getting there! ] <small>(])</small> 14:34, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::<small>''Touché.'' I'm really not an apologist for German Wiki. It just happens to be the one other Misplaced Pages I can read easily. But my ''point'' was that Sophie's last name is interesting. (How does one pronounce Xeon? What's the derivation?) Further the affiant sayeth naught. – ] (]) 14:52, 31 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
::::::::{{tq|Some, perhaps many, of Sophie's fans may not have known what her last name was.}} surely that's a reason ''not'' to post it. This isn't DYK. ] (]) 01:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::<small>It might make an interesting DYK sometime down the road, though. – ] (]) 14:32, 31 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
:::::::::::Pity if all DYK could come up with about her was her surname. ] <small>(])</small> 14:37, 31 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::<small>I imagine the DYKers – of whom I'm not one – could come up with something further. – ] (]) 14:59, 31 January 2021 (UTC)</small> | |||
*'''Support'''. A few stray cns left but they are easily fixed. Otherwise a comprehensive, main page–worthy article. ] (]) (]) 15:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support'''. Fully cited. I prefer the mononymous "Sophie" as the COMMONNAME, by far. feminist ] 17:08, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' All CN tags taken care of, looks ready for main page. ]<sup>]</sup><small>]</small> 17:12, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Posted''' — ] (]) 17:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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RD: Anita Bryant
Article: Anita Bryant (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
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(Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election
Article: 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy (Post)
Alternative blurb II: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential vacuum
News source(s): CNN
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- Updated and nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
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Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as WP:ITN/R or not. Oppose on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. Yo.dazo (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. Toadspike 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ArionStar (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. The Kip 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. Tradedia 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. Scuba 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Stephen: please add "]" between President of Lebanon due to its importance. ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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Chad presidential palace attack
Article: 2025 N'Djamena attack (talk · history · tag)Blurb: The presidential palace in N'Djamena, Chad comes under attack resulting in 19 deaths. (Post)
News source(s): HT
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- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Notable target and death toll is higher than CA fires. Sportsnut24 (talk) 02:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - I see zero widespread impact. EF 02:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Pritish Nandy
Article: Pritish Nandy (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
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- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: .Indian parliamentarian needs work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good to me TheHiddenCity (talk) 1:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has a bunch of uncited material (sections, sentences and is properly tagged with a refimprove tag).--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Brian Matusz
Article: Brian Matusz (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by DarkSide830 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 02:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Not much on his personal life. But I think the article meets our customary standards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm looking for those details, but not finding anything atm. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Agreed that it meets our usual standards as-is. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure why my nom was the one deleted, but as per that one, support. Career is well-cited. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't understand why my nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because yours was the duplicate nom. Stephen 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, you're right. DarkSide put it at the bottom of the day, I didn't see it. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because yours was the duplicate nom. Stephen 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't understand why my nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ayla Erduran
Article: Ayla Erduran (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
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- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Albigator (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Adem (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Turkish violinist who died on January 7. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support 1880 characters (299 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support No CN notes nor anything that I found that was unreferenced, at least from reading through the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - good enough for posting ✈ mike_gigs contribs 19:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) January 2025 Southern California wildfires
Article: January 2025 Southern California wildfires (talk · history · tag)Blurb: A series of wildfires in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces at least 80,000 people to evacuate. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Multiple intense wildfires in southern California collectively burn over 20,000 acres, killing five and forcing at least 80,000 to evacuate.
Alternative blurb II: A series of wildfires in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces more than 80,000 others to evacuate.
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/07/us/palisades-brush-fires-california
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- Nominated by Thewetroadinsummer (talk · give credit)
Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose I wouldn’t even say the article is ready for main space. We also almost never post about wildfires. EF 00:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre Park Fire last year), yet we don't post about those. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impactsEF 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree, while not the biggest, these fires are burning within the borders of the 2nd largest city in the United States. That alone makes this significant. MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 01:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre Park Fire last year), yet we don't post about those. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impactsEF 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Article is in very rough shape. Estreyeria (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)- Strong oppose - not significant enough in the world, and I'm saying that as someone from California. Bad article quality. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Changing to Wait. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment There is an article that is in better shape than the one being nominated. 2025 Palisades wildfire TheHuman630 (talk) 01:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support 5 deaths, significant news coverage and 1,100 structures destroyed. This is also threatening populated areas. TheHuman630 (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Even considering the second article, we'd not post a wildfire of this size unless it started significant destruction or lives lost. Its only getting attention because its close to LA. --Masem (t) 01:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. Masem (t) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Obviously ITN operates a bit differently from the rest of Misplaced Pages, but I think it's best to just say that these sorts of things are significant if and only if reliable sources are calling them significant — regardless of any WP:MINIMUMDEATHS or location criteria. And, right now, I think reliable sources are saying that. DecafPotato (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. Masem (t) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait I'm re-opening this as it's the top story and live in both the BBC and NYT and there seems to be much more to come. It seems absurd to prevent discussion of such a hot topic. Note that there are multiple fires and so we should consider 2025 California wildfires to get the big picture. Coverage also keeps highlighting the Santa Ana winds as significant and so maybe that article should appear in the blurb as it's quite substantial and informative and so seems to have a good encyclopedic tone. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait It's too early to tell, but I feel like this should only be posted if it comes out that the damage is unparalleled in LA history or if it hits something important like the Getty Villa. (I sincerely hope neither of those should happen.) Should also say that the blurbs definitely need fixing. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait I think it may be notable enough for a blurb, but it's too early to say for sure.Johndavies837 (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support Historic wildfire event (most destructive fire in Los Angeles history, potentially the costliest wildfire ever, 5 deaths confirmed so far, worldwide news coverage). --Johndavies837 (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unsure if this is a better article target instead January 2025 Southern California wildfires, which covers other fires in the Los Angeles area. Natg 19 (talk) 11:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant destruction of a large urban area. That there’s been no fatalities so far is extraordinary. yorkshiresky (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Support Altblurb3 as nominator, please let me know if you intend to or want me to modify it.Comment withdrawn as other blurbs have been removed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @31.44.227.152: I don't think you can vote twice. EF 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). EF 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah. In that case, ignore my above comments. :) EF 14:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- We use consensus, not voting. –DMartin 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bad wording on my part. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). EF 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment @Stephen: Is there any particular reason why you're reverting to your revision of the blurb? I feel it comes across as needlessly dramatic to the more matter of fact wording. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 02:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @31.44.227.152: I don't think you can vote twice. EF 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Slight rewording and update of altblurb3 and including that two people died. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, today is an extremely critical fire weather day for the area around this fire. This could be something worth posting if all the pieces fall into the right place, but we won't know until they do (or don't). 4 thousand acres burnt is routine, but what might not be is 4 thousand acres at 0% containment before a full extremely critical day (followed by another critical day). Departure– (talk) 14:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose posting this right this second now. Up to 5000 acres (nearly 3000 for the Palisades fire) but nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just a few months ago we had the Mountain Fire (2024) at nearly 10,000 acres and that was seen as relatively uncommon, so 5000 acres across 2 seems routine at the moment. I also feel this is getting a lot of coverage for being near Los Angeles - again, I see that as routine and sensationalized in nature. Departure– (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)- Not going to ask for a pull if this is posted. The Eaton Fire just exploded to >10,000 acres burnt, and directly downstream of it is metro Los Angeles. 0% containment, extremely critical fire conditions. Weak support. Departure– (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose not a significant destruction or lives lost. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait until more details emerge. I was about to oppose but it turns out that this is still a rapidly developing story – as of this writing, the fires are still ongoing and 0% contained – and while it does seem to be "routine" for now, this has the potential to become one of, if not the largest series of wildfires for this particular part of California. Vida0007 (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to support. This has definitely met the criteria for ITN, and has sadly become one of the most infamous wildfire events ever. Vida0007 (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support Wildfires in California are common, but given the close proximity this fire is to LA (the second largest city in the U.S.) and how it's making global headlines, I am leaning to support this blurb. Article is also in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Massive news coverage of devastating fires with over a thousand structures destroyed and huge evacuations. Two confirmed deaths so far. Waiting for more confirmed deaths or further damage seems wrong to me. Opposers unconvincing. Altblurb 3 looks best. Jusdafax (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support One of the most historical events in Californian wildlife history, destroyed thousands of properties. Should absolutely be posted. The most famous event in the news right now. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Main story on multiple news outlets, large wildfire even for California standards. Angusgtw (talk) 18:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose- we haven't posted similar fires in other countries, such as WP:In the news/Candidates/July 2024#(Closed) Jasper Fire. Also there's no indication about the death toll. Nfitz (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC) - change to Support - situation clearly has worsened, and deaths will likely grow. Nfitz (talk) 05:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)- As of right now, 2 deaths confirmed with several injuries. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major news, major impacts, quality article to display. I'm unconvinced by OTHERSTUFF arguments about other fires or MINIMUMDEATH comments. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Misplaced Pages mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. FlipFlopped ツ 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I evaluate each item individually. Opposing newsworthy items because they are about the developed world is not the way to fight systemic bias. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Misplaced Pages mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. FlipFlopped ツ 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose the BBC and British media shouldn’t used to assess whether American news has achieved global notability, we should be looking at English language media in various countries
- Kowal2701 (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support article seems in decent shape - I've not been paying attention to the story so wanted to find out more and came to wikipedia - I believe the purpose of this page is to point at encyclopaedic articles that people will be looking for - this seems to fit the bill. EdwardLane (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. This is in the news and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix 19:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose on principle. The death toll is 2 and the acreage is not anywhere close to record-breaking.As others have pointed out, there were significantly bigger American wildfires even in the past 12 months. We regularly reject storms and earthquakes that are similarly "usual", only damage a few thousand buildings, and kill 1-2 people. The only difference there is that these are from outside the USA. In fact, I have seen other noms where it is a typhoon or a flood in a developing country, but is SNOW closed - even despite the casualties or total damage costs from these disasters being over 10x higher than this fire. Given this, there is no plausible explanation for why this local wildfire affecting a single American city should now be posted. I am disappointed in the blatant U.S. centrism and bias which once again plagues ITN. FlipFlopped ツ 20:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you want record breaking, it has been reported that it may be the costliest wildfire on record. -- Tavix 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- The keyword is "may" and "plausible", not has. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. EF 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Either way, fair enough that the fire may or may not worsen to record-breaking levels. By nature the situation is rapidly evolving. I will strike my strong oppose and replace it with "Wait". My opposition is admittedly mostly a protest about a double standard given we regularly speedy close similarly deadly disasters, but I will not punish this article or those suffering from this fire especially if this continues to evolve and is clearly notable. FlipFlopped ツ 20:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Reuters and the AP find this damage estimate sufficiently credible to be notable, and not without reason, given that the outfit has been doing these estimates credibly for some time. Of course, any estimate of an event recent enough to be on ITN is going to say "may". Chris vLS (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- The keyword is "may" and "plausible", not has. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. EF 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you want record breaking, it has been reported that it may be the costliest wildfire on record. -- Tavix 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Proposed an altblurb. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I feel the wording makes it read a bit more like a news headline rather than a blurb. I also think including acres without unit conversions makes it a bit too US-centric given how English language Misplaced Pages is aimed at a global audience, but that's just my opinion. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Wait for the story to develop; it's receiving a lot of coverage in the US but few outside the continent. Some sources point to possibly being record-breaking in damage but remains unconfirmed. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 22:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- International sources: BBC(front page), Le Monde, China Daily, The Straights Times(top story), Sydney Morning Herald(Top story), Der Spiegel. –DMartin 02:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Death toll is now at five. Jusdafax (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support I had closed this last night as premature. Unfortunately the situation has gotten extremely bad with at least 5 confirmed fatalities and an enormous amount of destruction. As of this post, the fires are still out of control and spreading. It is receiving significant coverage outside of the US. IMO this now meets our customary standards for a blurb at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strongly Support - 3 large, uncontained fires within the 2nd largest city in the United States. Widespread coverage among both domestic and international news agencies. - MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Four large fires now, as of a few minutes ago, with mandatory evacuation issued for the Hollywood Hills now. --haha169 (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support this appears to be pretty major news now, due to its scale and the size of the city it is affected. David Palmer//cloventt 01:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Majority of the opposition posted before the situation was getting increasingly worse. pauliesnug 01:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Large complex of fires that are notably urban-adjacent. In the context of impacts, perhaps they do not scale to where some of the fires we've posted in the past have, but with most of these fires completely uncontained, I don't think it's too CRYSTALly to say the impacts will reach that range eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant coverage in the news - not just local american news sources either - for example, this is on the front page on Al Jazeera and Times of India. Schwinnspeed (talk) 02:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support, has had major impacts on one of the world's largest cities, and most culturally important cities in the anglosphere. While a death toll of five isn't particularly notable, there are over 100,000 displaced persons and "numerous injuries". –DMartin 02:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Major event in a major city. --FelineHerder (talk) 02:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support huge fire with lots of damage. Needs to be up there, especially now that it's spreading. Personisinsterest (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Fires in California are regular enough, but not ones that threaten LA. I think it would be better to replace "Southern California" with "Los Angles Metro Area" GGOTCC (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. Yo.dazo (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thanks! GGOTCC (talk) 23:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. Yo.dazo (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Bob Veale
Article: Bob Veale (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Peter Yarrow
Article: Peter Yarrow (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is in pretty good shape, needs a handful of citations Mooonswimmer 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: only two sentences with {cn} tags remaining, one of which could easily be commented out or removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Seems well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jean-Marie Le Pen
Article: Jean-Marie Le Pen (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BFM TV
Credits:
- Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not yet ready , the article is quite confusing and contains uncredited statements. Newklear007 (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: "Life and career" section needs to be shortened or split, otherwise support as he's a polarising figure that's defined French far-right politics. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Recent deaths are not posted per importance of the person, but for being of a sufficient quality to post. One could make the equally objective claim that he should not be posted as he was the biggest loser in the history of presidential run-offs, and French far-right politics could not be "defined" by him as his party grew after his daughter kicked him out. With due respect to the dearly departed, I don't think anyone ever suggested that Ripken (dog) transformed any aspect of life on planet Earth. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - a couple of the sections need more references, I've just tagged where. After that good to go, I'm not particularly bothered about the length of the "Life and Career" section, that's the meat of the article and as a whole it's hardly overlong. I would oppose a blurb, just in case anyone is thinking of proposing one! - he has been influential, but not on the level we'd usually blurb for. — Amakuru (talk) 14:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Pre-emptively strongly oppose any suggestion of a blurb. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. If the article can be brought up to scratch, I would give a weak support for a blurb. His influence on far right politics extended well beyond France. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support I see no problems with the article. Also I would support a blurb, I can't think of any one individual with more of an impact on French Politics in the modern day than him. Scuba 19:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Support, no outstanding issues with the article.31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)- There are still 9 citation needed tags and an unreferenced "Decorations" section. So no, there are still issues with the article. — Amakuru (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support – Founding figure of the modern French far-right that now has widespread influence in mainstream French politics. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on significance, Neutral on quality. Three CNs. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Now down to two {{cn}} tags, which is not bad for a 5000-word article. Moscow Mule (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD. The article isn't perfect but it's good enough to post as an RD. There are over 100 references so we shouldn't hold it up over one or two {{cn}} tags. Strong oppose blurb - he was a politician who never entered government. Modest Genius 16:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support – Regardless of personal opinion about this politician, he was widely covered by international press and his death is notable. ZebulonMorn (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
John Mahama
Article: John Mahama (talk · history · tag)Blurb: John Mahama (pictured) is sworn in as Ghana's President while Jane Naana Opoku-Agyemang is sworn in as the first female Vice-president of Ghana. (Post)
News source(s): Ghana Broadcasting Corporation
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Heatrave (talk) 11:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Former Ghanaian President John Mahama reelected as Ghana's President. This is historic because it is the first time ever that Ghana will have a female Vice-president. Historic on both fronts that a former president returns to government and also the first female to be sworn in as Ghana's Vice President.
- Support per nom. A significant event in Ghana. --IDB.S (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom Newklear007 (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I've bolded target article and clarified who is pictured. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The election is the ITNR and while it was nominated in December, it did not meet quality for posting. We don't post inaugurations as "makeup" for an ITNR being missed. --Masem (t) 12:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose If this was to have been posted, it should have been the election last month. ITN does not post inaugurations when there was a suitable target article, which is now stale. Black Kite (talk) 13:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose pretty much per Masem and Black Kite. The election was the right time to post this. Sorry, but we cannot compensate it not being posted with the inauguration.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support since we didn't post the election This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support significant, in the news and article is in good shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:C27B:CBB8:E11A:250E (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality looks satisfactory and this is a significant event. Ideally we post elections, but since we are now double posting prime ministerial successions in Western countries, I'm having a hard time buying the rational in the opposing comments above. Sometimes the double standards around here become a bit too glaring. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The difference with prime minister resignations followed by the announcement of their successor months later is because there is a whole election aspect there. We have no idea who will replace Trudeau, for example. Once that election is done and the winner confirmed, we will post that, though not the day that they officially take office. — Masem (t) 18:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have a specific example of an inauguration that we posted to justify the claim for double standards? I remember to have recently opposed a similar nomination on Von der Leyen Commission II where the rationale for posting was similar as here, that is, to post it because we hadn't posted the election result. Note that this was in the European Union, which is in the Western world, so it's not true that we have double standards for Western countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- It wasn’t posted, but you’re right. While it was also a formalisation of the results from a previous election, it included another vote by the European Parliament. This inauguration is a pure ceremonial event without any uncertainty. In two weeks, Trump will be inaugurated as president, and that also involves some uncertainty because there are procedural votes. Anyway, my point is that I cannot support such ceremonial event when I oppose any event following an election that formalises the result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure we posted Barack Obama's inauguration as well as his election. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- That was a mistake which we shouldn't repeat.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose just because we didn't post the election doesn't mean we should break the norm and post the inauguration as a replacement. Scuba 19:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and highlights a major event for Ghana and the region. Maxxies (talk) 07:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem ✈ mike_gigs contribs 19:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle. If we didn't post at the time of the election, and the reason is for article quality, I think it's reasonable to post when the actual change of power happens. The blurb is a bit awkward, though. Maybe chance "with" to "while"? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support In principal. I think it would be nice to start blurbing notable inaugurations. This one is especially notable as it also reflects the country having a first female president. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present)
Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 03:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia and partly in South Asia (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian BBC Daily mail The New York Times TOI Gulf news
Credits:
- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose This seems to be fairly routine. The WHO statement explains:
As expected for this time of year, the Northern Hemisphere winter, there is a month-over-month increase of acute respiratory infections, including seasonal influenza, R.S.V. and human metapneumovirus
. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This virus has existed since 2001 and had routine outbreaks in other parts of the world and per above. Rynoip (talk) 11:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- It has not caused a large problem yet other than increasing worries that it may. Oppose. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Every winter since COVID we see exaggerated stories about 'outbreaks' in China. There's no evidence that there's anything new or unusual. Johndavies837 (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Xizang earthquake
Article: 2025 Xizang earthquake (talk · history · tag)Blurb: A Mw 7.1 earthquake hits Tingri County. located in the Tibet Autonomous Region leaving 9 dead. (Post)
News source(s): USGS BNO News Daily Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)
The AP (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Temporary oppose on article quality - quite a short article. I understand there are minimal sources on it(rural area + happened a few hours ago + Chinese censorship stuff) but still.
- Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Changing to Support; similar quality as Port Vila was when it was ITNed. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Two 7.1 earthquakes just happened - the one in Tibet appears to be an aftershock of another earthquake the same day in Nepal. 9 fatalities across just the Tibet one seems low for an earthquake to be posted, but further updates may increase that figure. Departure– (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- USGS only shows one 7.1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Misplaced Pages though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of Lobuche. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The death toll has also risen to 36. I don't know the time in China but by the time we get the article to ITN quality the true death toll will be more clear. Over 7000 rescue personnel tells me the final total might go into the low triple digits, but I'm not going to WP:CRYSTALBALL this one way or the other for now. Departure– (talk) 04:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Misplaced Pages though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of Lobuche. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- USGS only shows one 7.1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support — Significant casualties, article has been expanded enough and still developing Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support – Rest in peace to the people who died in the strong earthquake. Too many casualties. Bakhos Let's talk! 06:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - 53 dead now. Nfitz (talk) 06:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Significant due to deaths. Article looks good to post. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – robertsky (talk) 07:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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Article: Charles M. Roessel (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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RD: John S. Hunkin
Article: John S. Hunkin (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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(Posted) Indonesia BRICS
Article: BRICS (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Indonesia is officially made a full member state of BRICS (Post)
News source(s): AP
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- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Growing int'l supranational body. Pretty important. Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not yet ready The article has multiple CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – Could you please provide reliable sources indicating that Indonesia's admission into BRICS is "pretty important"? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- 4th largest economy in the world.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Indonesia is only the 16th largest nation worldwide by nominal GDP. By population, however, it is 4th worldwide. Departure– (talk) 00:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Here are some article about this news. Seems like Indonesia is now a full member state of BRICS. --IDB.S (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- BRICS is a large supranational body. Indonesia joining BRICS is comparable in notability to a country joining the EU. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --Rockstone 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- BRICS is not even like NAFTA, it's a talking shop with perhaps some joint financial institutions. It's probably more similar to the examples Gotitbro mentions below. CMD (talk) 09:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --Rockstone 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- 4th largest economy in the world.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant development for an interational body which has received increasing news coverage in recent years. While we should be assessing this item on its own merits if comaprisions are to be made (beyond the EU etc.) would we post if a new member became a part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, Commonwealth of Independent States, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation etc. For me the answer is yes as expansion among large interational organizations is not frequent and is always major news (also highlighted by the fact that our country articles highlight these organizations in their leads). Gotitbro (talk) 08:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- And the article appears fine enough for ITN to me. Gotitbro (talk) 08:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's 100+ such organisations and I'm not convinced that changes are always significant. For example, see Accession of Timor-Leste to ASEAN. Notice that this is a full and well-developed article about that addition but that we haven't posted it. The lack of an article for this Indonesia matter seems telling. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- ASEAN (a major economic block) and Timor Leste is one I would support posting when the accession happens . 100+ such organisations may exist but do any of them receive the same coverage as this one?, especially its recent expansion has been under much dicussion, see for instance britannica. Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates all joined last year, and that oppurtunity to post was apparently missed twice: Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates/August 2023#BRICS Expansion and Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates/January 2024#BRICS Expansion with similar arguments based on the organization's politics rather than the significant news coverage of its expansion.
- As for the last point, ITN does not demand the creation of separate articles and an absence of it may point towards a lack of enwiki editors from Indonedia or those interested in the subject rather than a lack of notability. Gotitbro (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Needs work The update seems perfunctory with no specific details of the politics and impact of this addition. And, it seems that there's a big bundle of countries in this latest wave: Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan. The different status of partner and full member seems opaque as the article says, "It is unclear whether the countries in this tier have received official membership invitations". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to observer states. Indonesia is the only latest member, as this article from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The details seem vague because, as the article explains, "there is currently no formal application process to join BRICS". Per this source, "BRICS is an informal grouping, it has no founding treaty, secretariat supporting it or headquarters". Its effectiveness will thus depend on the quality of the rotating presidency. As it adds more minor countries, this will be increasingly volatile. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to observer states. Indonesia is the only latest member, as this article from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support on notability. Infer to others on quality of the article. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, a major nation joining a major economic sphere. I find it funny that people are saying the absolutely huge and generally very high-quality BRICS article having a few CN tags makes this not ITN-worthy. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability BRICS is nothing like ASEAN, EU, NATO, AU or CARICOM. It's China's and Russia's little project to try and score some political allies and try to emulate successful supranational organisations but it has very little relevance politically or economically, mainly due to the fact China, Russia, India and Brazil are not on equal footing in economics nor political clout, and they often have wildly conflicting interests, never mind the smaller members who are only there to make up the numbers. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... Banedon (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You could not, both of those have strong systems of mutual obligation. CMD (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... Banedon (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Gotitbro. An international organization does not need to be as developed as the EU, CARICOM, or ASEAN for membership to be newsworthy. The bar does not need to be that high, and countries making multilateral groupings is notable international diplomacy in its own right. CMD (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support A join of a country in a major bloc is always notable. ArionStar (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Resignation of Justin Trudeau
Article: Resignation of Justin Trudeau (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Justin Trudeau (pictured) announces his resignation as the Prime Minister of Canada after serving in the role for nine years. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: Justin Trudeau (pictured) announces his intention to resign as Prime Minister of Canada.
News source(s): Wall Street Journal
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- Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)
Major development in Canadian politics, leader for nine years. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- NOTE The linked page is currently at AfD and cannot be posted until that is resolved. The discussion should probably be suspended or closed pending the outcome of the AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support yeah basically what OP said Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait We generally post the transition. He is still the PM for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Can you point to a case where it was decided to wait until an official transition happens? DMBradbury 19:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - format should be ALT2, per similar case of Boris Johnson in 2022. Trudeau isn't resigning yet, only announcing his intention to do so once a successor is chosen. — Amakuru (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It will take a few months for his replacement to be picked and will remain until then, so give that length of time this would be reasonable to post, though I have not had a chance yet to look at the article for quality. Masem (t) 16:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Needs expansion - the news of the resignation is just one line in the article so far, and there are no reactions. Suggest a bit of expansion there. — Amakuru (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 on notability per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.
-insert valid name here- (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC) - Please, let's not encourage the addition of reactions, particularly if it is just commentary and not actual statements of intent. Reaction sections artificially inflate most news articles and are just bad content. — Masem (t) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 on notability per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.
- Wait until successor is elected. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality only one line in the target about the resignation. We posted Biden not seeking re-election so I don't see why we shouldn't post Trudeau's resignation. Departure– (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Obviously a significant story that a long-term head of government resigns like this, but will need the article to be expanded further before it's ready to post. Gust Justice (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Support - very notable, large worldwide influence, but article quality not amazing.
- Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. We posted the last four British PMs' announcements of intent to resign, (Truss , Johnson , May , Cameron ) even though their system allows for leaderships to happen within days and/or weeks. In Canada, Trudeau will remain PM until a the party membership elects a new leader, which will take at least a couple months. The news is the announcement that is itself the culmination of a month long political crisis in the country. Both articles seem largely fine, with a paragraph about the resignation itself and sourced. Reactions will come, but the news is the resignation not reactions. ---- Patar knight - /contributions 17:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- To add to this, ALT2 should be used, since it is an intention to resign, not the actual resignation. -- Patar knight - /contributions 17:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Given that there appears to be a growing consensus in support of posting this, and apparently this was done with more recent UK PMs, are we now going to routinely double post changes in administration? i.e. An announced resignation or intent to resign, and then the successor? -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- In this sort of circumstance, when the announcement and the change of office are significantly separate from each other in time, certainly. This is different from the installation of a new US president, which follows automatically in January after the November election, because there are two separate pieces of newsworthy content - the decision of Trudeau to resign, and the choice of his successor - which at this point we don't know. It would be a bit bizarre to stay silent on something that's unexpected front-page news across the globe, just because of the technicality that we know we're going to be back to post another update in a few weeks' time... — Amakuru (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- The key bit in this case and the UK PMs cases is not the resignation in of it self, but doing so amidst an ongoing political crisis of some sort. I imagine that the precedent being set would not be for all resignation announcements of ITNR political officeholders, since some may be fairly "normal" (e.g. resigning for health reasons totally unconnected to any political scandal) though I would be in support of that. -- Patar knight - /contributions 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 pretty much what the OP said. I would prefer the ALT2 blurb as it is worded a bit closer to the truth than the main blurb. IncompA 17:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Mostly Support Pretty big news but needs expansion but I doubt that will take very long. Allied Panzer (talk) 17:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --IDB.S (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - the "Minority government" section and the material I've just moved up to the last paragraph of the "Pending resignation" section need citations. — Amakuru (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Per original nomination comment, specifically ALT2 for accuracy. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 17:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose for now we generally post the actual resignation and the succession of the new Prime Minister, not the announcement of an intention to resign at some unspecified point in the future. I'm not necessarily opposed to setting a new precedent, but normally we would wait. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above, pref. ALT2 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is a big development for Canada and North America as a whole. Joesom333 (talk) 19:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose He literally could not hold power in office for much longer. He would be forced to step down in a few months, he just chose to do it right now. Also he will still remain in office for the duration of his tenure. Not that exciting, not that important. From canada's laws, this is was going to happen. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see your point. The announcement of resignation (not in quotes, since he did actually state that he intended to resign) is major news, regardless of whether it happens now, or in a few months time. ARandomName123 (talk) 19:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Are you seriously trying to argue that a longtime leader of a major nation stepping down is not major news because it was “going to happen anyways?” The Kip 23:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Completely disagree with SimpleSubCubicGraph above. The opposite is true: the end of Trudeau is the exciting story which is ITN; the appointment of the temporary LPC replacement in a couple months after the LPC election is the formality which is relatively less important. To the point of Ad Orientem, although this will effectively result in "a double post" when Canada's new prime minister is inaugurated (probably after an LPC leader election), this is justified in the circumstances because each event is independently ITN and notable. Trudeau's resignation marks "the end of an era" of 10 years of LPC rule with him at the helm. He, Trudeau the individual, has been at the heart of a highly publicized dispute with the American President. It is evident to me that there is a high level of international buzz about the "end of Trudeau", which might not be present anymore when we find out who the new Liberal is that will temporarily replace him for a few months prior to the Fall election. I therefore support posting now. FlipFlopped ツ 18:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word will refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ARandomName123 (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem the eurocentrism here is saddening SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. Systemic bias has long been a serious problem on the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Canada is not in Europe. RachelTensions (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's still Eurocentricism though. -- Rockstone 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I find Manitoba and the territories to still have their own things going in 2025 and BC to be more of an Asian outpost, but yeah, Trudeau's province has a Paris, London, Brussels, Athens and Zurich in it. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's still Eurocentricism though. -- Rockstone 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Assuming all other requirements are met, I would support such a resignation for any political officeholder to which ITNR applies. -- Patar knight - /contributions 22:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem the eurocentrism here is saddening SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- You seem obviously bias towards Trump's expansionism Personisinsterest (talk) 00:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the
Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning
comment. They tried to get WP:TDS deleted recently as well; between that and other generally poor behavior on ITN/C, wondering if a tempban from projectspace is in order. The Kip 08:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)- Yeah that might be a good idea. Definitely seems non-neutral. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word will refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ARandomName123 (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per FlipFlopped and others. It's in the news now. Khuft (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak support mostly because he's been prime minister of a G7 country for a decade now, kinda like Merkel. Would like to point out though that if consensus is to post about future important resignations, WP:ITN/R should be updated accordingly—in part so we can actually define what an "important resignation" actually is. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. No reason not to wait until the actual leadership change occurs. Yes, it is news now. It will also most certainly be news when the official transfer of power occurs. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, one reason—this might take something like three months based on the prorogation, and in all likelihood will receive consistently high coverage during all that time. It would be odd to only bring up Trudeau's resignation on ITN months after it actually happened, and months after it actually was news. Hence why, as mentioned above, similar blurbs have been posted before for UK prime ministers. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt II Per Patar knight and Amakuru above. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major news. Setarip (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 per Patar knight and Amakuru. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per our precedent with UK prime ministers. Davey2116 (talk) 20:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb 2 Very important to Canadian and to an extent international politics. Article is rapidly expanding and should be sufficient by the time any admin sees this. I'm also fine with the original blurb, but I like Alt2 more. --SpectralIon (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, with no comment on article quality (haven't checked yet). I think I prefer Alt2 because Trudeau's tenure spans longer than 9 years, making the more generalized language preferable in this instance. Kurtis 21:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Important to note that the article is up for deletion and the consensus is YES to not keep the article, so I think it should not be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk • contribs)
- Support, though the target article should be changed to Justin Trudeau#Resignation pending the outcome of the main resignation article's AfD. RachelTensions (talk) 21:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted, bolded Trudeau, until the resignation AfD is closed. Stephen 22:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
pull he is not head of state to be ITNR and there is not new PM even. the election is a while way away. We should post the confirmation that trump was officially elected POTUS today.Sportsnut24 (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Isn't that contradictory User:Sportsnut24? And I thought we'd already ITNed the result of the US election. Nfitz (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is not being proposed as an ITNR item, and even in that case, the criteria for politicians at ITNR is
holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government,
, which for Canada, is the PM. The resignation itself is news. You are free to nominate the electoral vote count, but given that is usually routine that simply follows the November result, it will almost certainly not be posted. -- Patar knight - /contributions 22:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC) - Nobody said anything about ITNR. RachelTensions (talk) 23:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - shouldn't "Prime Minister of Canada" be capitalized as per MOS:JOBTITLES? estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bring it up on WP:ERRORS. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Pull - he hasn't resigned, he announced his intention to resign. We should only post his successor. -- Rockstone 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- pull per Rockstone. Trudeu has not resigned and we must await the appointment of his successor. The precedent with British prime ministers is a mistake. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Can you really call it a mere mistake when, as per Patar knight above, it's been consciously done four times already? It seems more like there's a new consensus now where certain types of resignation announcements can go on ITN. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support post-posting. If nothing else, Trudeau has suspended the parliament of Canada while a party proceeding takes places. I do think the blurb should mention the proroguing, but I do think the resignation announcement of a G8 leader warrants a blurb. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Al MacNeil
Article: Al MacNeil (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Kline (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former NHL player and Stanley Cup-winning coach. Article is in okay shape minus one CN tag. Kline • talk • contribs 16:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Mike Rinder
Article: Mike Rinder (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former spokesman for Scientology, and later outspoken critic of the church. Article is in surprisingly good shape with just one CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I fixed the citation-needed tag by providing a source. I also checked all the citations and added an archived version where needed. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
82nd Golden Globe Awards
Article: 82nd Golden Globe Awards (talk · history · tag)Blurb: At the 82nd Golden Globe Awards, Fernanda Torres (pictured) becomes the first Brazilian actress to win the award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture - Drama. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Unusual victory. Brazil is at the top. ArionStar (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Golden Globes are not an ITNR)(I know it wasn't nominated as such) but if we are going to post any winners from these they should match the categories that we use for Oscars and Emmys, which are generally unremarkable this year. Fine tuning which specific category to feature so to highlight a first is not good use of ITN (what about Demi Moore's first major award, for example?) Masem (t) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- A Brazilian actress winning a major American production award is a remarkable event. Theoretically she had not chance against Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman and Pamela Anderson. ArionStar (talk) 18:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, wasn't Anna Sawai the first Japanese to win the same category but for television at the same event? Being Brazilian doesn't make it extraordinary. (CC) Tbhotch 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose It is very difficult to imagine this kind of news getting widespread coverage as is required by WP:ITNSIGNIF. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Was considering nominating Golden Globes myself, but the issue, in my opinion, is that it lacks "main" categories like the Best Picture and Best Actor/Actress to include in the blurb without it favoring a particular genre/format. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose on significance; these awards are much less influential than the Oscars, serving mostly as a hint of what might win those bigger prizes. We already have six different sets of film awards on ITNR and I don't think we need more, though I can see an argument that the Golden Globes have similar influence to BAFTAs. Oppose on quality - the article is a long series of tables with minimal prose and no reactions. Strong oppose the blurb as written, which focusses on the nationality of a single category winner. Modest Genius 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Joseph Bendounga
Article: Joseph Bendounga (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Credits:
- Nominated by Faldi00 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Central African lawyer and politician, known for his eternal opposition to every presidential administration Faldi00 (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: The Vivienne
Article: The Vivienne (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Credits:
- Nominated by Tayce Widdrington (talk · give credit)
- Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Brunnaiz (talk · give credit), Orangesclub (talk · give credit) and Is it Juan? (talk · give credit)
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Tayce Widdrington (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose. Prose looks to be well-cited, but discography and filmography need more refs. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*Oppose for now until the discography and filmography tables have more refs. Suonii180 (talk) 21:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC) - changed to support, everything looks referenced now. Suonii180 (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support as references for the discography and filmography tables have been filled out. orangesclub 🍊 08:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, discography and filmography citation issues appear to have been resolved. Morgan695 (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Now well cited, article appears to be in good shape. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: S. A. Khaleque
Article: S. A. Khaleque (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Vinegarymass911 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Bangladesh Nationalist Party politician History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality, article consists pretty much only of a summary of his political career. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is a stub. Ping me when the situation improves. Lefcentreright Discuss 05:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Costas Simitis
Article: Costas Simitis (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Usnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former Greek Prime Minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 3 cn tags, 3 orange tags and a yellow tag. This article is a long, long way from being posted TNM101 (chat) 11:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support Article is very high quality compared to most other RD candidates, definitely important enough as well. --SpectralIon (talk) 04:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I wouldn't consider the article in "high quality" as there's unreferenced paragraphs throughout the article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Congestion pricing
Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 09:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Congestion pricing in New York City (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the central business district (Post)
Alternative blurb: New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the CBD
News source(s): Brazil Reuters AP UPI Fortune
Credits:
- Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Extremely limited scope, and effectively the same as toll roads with flex pricing that are used across the US. --Masem (t) 03:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- And? While NYC is big, it is not that big as to demand special consideration for something like this. Masem (t) 04:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. It's basically a local/regional news story dealing with traffic congestion. Yeah, I see why it's a big deal to people in New York. But if this was being implemented in New Delhi, I doubt it would get much notice here. And frankly it probably shouldn't. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem and Ad Orientem. Not of worldwide significance TNM101 (chat) 08:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose "City introduces congestion charge". This is news? London (and a number of other cities) already beat them to that. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose NYC is not even the first in North America. Mexico City introduced a system of restrictions and fines in 1989 – see Hoy No Circula. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor
Consensus will not develop to post. Closing early per WP:SNOW --Rockstone 06:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC) (non-admin closure)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Markus "Notch" Persson announced that he will be making a spiritual successor to the original game, Minecraft. (Post)
News source(s): PC Gamer
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
- Created by BarntToust (talk · give credit)
- Oppose just an announcement, and we typically never post news about video games except when they win awards. Tube·of·Light 04:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tube of Light. --IDB.S (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom per above. And honestly, it's borderline trivial compared to most of what gets nominated here and not posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Absolutely promotional, we do not feature any type of product announcement. --Masem (t) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tube of Light and Masem. Does not meet WP:ITNSIGNIF TNM101 (chat) 04:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good-faith nomination per WP:CRYSTAL. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Minecraft 2 is one of very few non-award gaming events I would support a blurb on. Problem is, Notch can't make it ever since he sold the rights of the game to Microsoft. I might support it if it becomes the bestselling game of all time, but I don't know how likely it is for that to happen. Departure– (talk) 05:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem & MtPenguinMonster Hungry403 (talk) 05:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose until release This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Richard B. Hays
Article: Richard B. Hays (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service Christianity Today
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Innerstrife (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Died on the third but death announced January 4. Article needs some sourcing work, but I'm nominating anyway. Hopefully the nomination means that the article can get some attention. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Claude Allègre
Article: Claude Allègre (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entrevue Le Figaro
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: French politician and scientist TNM101 (chat) 12:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Political career section is completely uncited, and some awards are missing sourcing as well. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Political career section now updated with citations; scientific career and awards also updated and cited. Chaiten1 (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tomiko Itooka
Article: Tomiko Itooka (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by 103.85.36.150 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jake11223344 (talk · give credit) and INgIEroC (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Japanese supercentenarian. Date death announced. TJMSmith (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Noting that I should not receive creation credit (if that's a thing at ITN) as I only created the page as a redirect and did not edit beyond that. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Updated! TJMSmith (talk) 23:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Tomiko Itooka was the oldest living person as well at the time of her death, and we've generally posted these supercentenarian when they are at the top. Although, its not there yet. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose So far, not enough breadth in the article to warrant main page posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
StrongSupport Oldest living person in the world at the time, making her certainly notable enough for RD. Article is subpar but ultimately not a stub. --SpectralIon (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support They were the oldest person so that makes her notable. --Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thank you for the explanation. SpectralIon (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes
A consensus to post at this point will not develop. Consider nominating again if this becomes bigger. --Tone 12:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in Awash Fentale in Afar Region. (Post)
News source(s): Al Alarabiya English, BBC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by AsteriodX (talk · give credit)
- Oppose three months of low-level activity damaging 100 houses. Not significant enough. Stephen 05:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen. Little to no unusually major impact thus far. The Kip 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen, doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Hans Dieter Beck
Article: Hans Dieter Beck (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LTO and several others
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- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Influential publisher in 6th generation of leading publishing house C. H. Beck. New article by Thriley. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Yusuf Bhamjee
Article: Yusuf Bhamjee (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2025-01-03-tributes-pour-in-for-former-pmb-mayor-and-champion-of-service-delivery-yusuf-bhamjee/
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- Updated and nominated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former anti-apartheid activist, mayor and member of parliament Lefcentreright Discuss 06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jeff Baena
Article: Jeff Baena (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People Magazine
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by Zujine (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 98.173.178.246 (talk · give credit), Simonthings18 (talk · give credit), DiaMali (talk · give credit) and Jolielover (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American screenwriter and film director. TJMSmith (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and long enough to be put on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Updated, now with good sources, and otherwise fully-sourced with satisfactory detail for ITN. Kingsif (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article has been significantly improved upon since news broke and I believe it fits all the ITN criteria jolielover♥talk 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Not ready Filmography section is unreferenced and career section needs more references.Support Article seems ready now. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)- Besides producing Spin Me Round, all of Baena's filmography roles are referenced in the career section. That section doesn't need more refs, nor is the filmography section really unreferenced, when it's a handful of projects all laid out directly above. Kingsif (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about Cinema Toast, I had just been looking at the film table. Kingsif (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- IDK, style preference? But you can if you want. Kingsif (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about Cinema Toast, I had just been looking at the film table. Kingsif (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 PDC World Darts Championship
Article: 2025 PDC World Darts Championship (talk · history · tag)Blurb: In darts, Luke Littler (pictured) wins the 2025 PDC World Darts Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by OZOO (talk · give credit)
- Updated by JamesVilla44 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: ITNR sporting final. OZOO (t) (c) 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I've boldly bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Article is currently not ready since some parts is still in future tense (Overview) and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications)Support since the issues have been resolved. Excellent work with the referencing, @JamesVilla44:! 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)- Reference adding in progress JamesVilla44 (talk) 20:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Seed section now referenced JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Now referenced on pro tour qualification JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of MOS:COLHEAD? Would this hinder it being posted? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- MOS issues are generally a yellow "cleanup" tag issue, which doesn't prevent this from running, as only orange tags do. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Trying to change them to fit but I'm not experienced with it and don’t know how to make the evening session bit work like it should. JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Schedules should follow now, right? JamesVilla44 (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it should but there's something freaky on the table label showing the date on the show/hide function. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support The worlds most high-profile pub game being won by a guy too young to drink legally. Certainly interesting. There is one tag on there about referencing but looking at it, the tag shouldn't be there as the section seems well referenced as is the rest of it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R, well-referenced, congrats to the lad. Effy Midwinter (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Well referenced. Good to go. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Marking ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Britt Allcroft
Article: Britt Allcroft (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by 66.185.84.206 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheStarSwitcher (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Meets ITN RD requirements, appears ready. Jusdafax (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Where's the citation for two paragraphs in her career section? TNM101 (chat) 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Devastating eruption located
SNOW closing (volcanic winter snow?), since there is a clear consensus that this will not get posted. If expanded enough, DYK is a good alternative. --Tone 14:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Zavaritski Caldera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The site of the volcanic eruption (pictured) which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): AAAS, Jerusalem Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wtmitchell (talk · give credit)
Article updatedNominator's comments: A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as Graham Island and Little Ice Age volcanism. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the Tenpō famine caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose the blurb: Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Misplaced Pages have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. Cambalachero (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --Masem (t) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in Little_Ice_Age_volcanism#1809–1831 - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. Modest Genius 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tariana Turia
Article: Tariana Turia (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, The NZ Herald
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- Nominated by MtPenguinMonster (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Te Pāti Māori MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) Cambalachero (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready On desktop and with standard width, the table under the "Labour Party" section title causes the text to be squeezed to 21 characters per row between it and the infobox on the right which makes the text needlessly hard to read. I am unsure where to move it. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Done Table moved. Grimes2 (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is about a fairly notable person and is quite well-written. --Sura Shukurlu (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 21:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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