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August 2024

Can you stop adding incorrect grammar to Azov Brigade as you have twice now while attempting to change the same sentence here and here. The sentence is perfectly fine as it is, and now you even removed the "-like symbol" portion, effectively adding your own WP:SYNTH explicitly calling it a Wolfsangel. Rather hypocritical when claiming to make the text more accurate to the source.

TylerBurden (talk) 18:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@TylerBurden I apologise if my contributions contains grammatical errors, English is not my mother tongue. The definition of "Idea of the Nation", from what we read in the sources, is an interpretation of the Azov Brigade. In their logo, in fact, they are accused not only of having a Wolfsangel but also a black Sun, both Nazi symbols.

CNN: "But that status came with baggage – the far-right views of some members and neo-Nazi insignia. These included the black sun, “a pagan symbol appropriated by Nazis for their pseudo-religion,” and the Wolfsangel, “a symbol that far-right extremists have also adopted,” Ritzmann said." Mhorg (talk) 17:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

You still need to follow the cited source, which is this Guardian reference, which describes it as "reminiscent of the Nazi Wolfsangel". Key word being "reminiscent".

I have now clarified the sentence based on this source. TylerBurden (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Hello, I'm Manyareasexpert. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. "Anti-government" is not in source. Another source you added is not on the article subject. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

Please stop. If you continue to violate Misplaced Pages's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Far-right politics in Ukraine, you may be blocked from editing. This is apparently a chronic issue to the point another arbitration request may need to be filed since you apparently just will not follow the sources that you cite, maybe you thought you would get away with it since the source was in a different language. This is a long-term WP:TENDENTIOUS issue. TylerBurden (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@TylerBurden I will consider your suggestion to stick to the source. However, the whole article is a criticism of academia in Ukraine, I was looking for a way to summarize the content. She mentions her experience at the university, but her criticism is generalized: "Ukraine and its Bandera cult: “Illiberal tendencies are getting stronger.” A historian is critical in her home country for being critical of Bandera fanaticism and Holocaust glorification. When Marta Havryshko receives the first death threats, a red line is crossed for her. The historian, who was born in the west of Ukraine, no longer feels safe in her homeland 'Ukraine is glossing over the symbolism of Nazi collaborators today', says Havryshko in conversation with the Berliner Zeitung".

Havryshko denounces daily UPA and OUN rehabilitation even from official Ukrainian channels: "Today, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine marks 14 October as the Day of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, the military wing of OUN(b). Posters glorify UPA heroes and hide inconvenient past." Also, consider that the person is also covering the topic of the Ukrainian far right on other sources such as France24, so she is considered a reliable source. Mhorg (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

For example, another part of the text in which the criticism is generalized to the Ukrainian education system: "The leaders during the Second World War were Andriy Melnyk and Stepan Bandera. “However, the fact that they worked with the Wehrmacht is kept secret and swept under the carpet”, criticizes Havryshko, ”even in current Ukrainian historiography”".

Can we summarize that these things are taught to Ukrainian students? The reference to Ukrainian historiography is clear.--Mhorg (talk) 09:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

It is certainly up to you to "consider" following basic Misplaced Pages policy. I am just letting you know what will happen if you don't. Since you are again directly quoting Havryshko, that claim needs to be correctly attributed to her, other than that I don't see a problem with including it. In fact I'll just see about incorpirating it now since you may choose to get creative again with the source. TylerBurden (talk) 19:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Mhorg. Thank you. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban

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I was too late for the above discussion, so will point out here that Mhorg's WP:TENDENTIOUS edits and the resulting topic ban related to Eastern Europe includes the article Nord Stream pipelines sabotage, due to it being connected to Ukraine (with the now topic banned user having made misleading, Ukraine-related edits unsupported by cited sources in that article, e.g. ). Lklundin (talk) 17:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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