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==Psychology of Adolescents==


== The Article Has Been Revised and Updated to Make it More Concise and Accurate. ==
This section does not seem to conform at all to NPOV; the sweeping generalizations and lack of citations are all of great concern. I agree with 202.2.32.27 that the input of an expert is necessary here; unfortunately, the corresponding section in ] has the same problem. I've put neutrality tags on both of them - anyone else think these need to be rewritten? ] 08:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I left the article with a more up-to-date view of adolescence, I didn't quote the "WHO" because the definition of adolescence adopted by it dates back to the 20th century, but we are already in the 21st century and even with all the scientific discoveries and the international media recognition surrounding these scientific discoveries, the WHO and the UN have not chosen to change their outdated definition of this complex phase of life called "ADOLESCENCE". I therefore believe that we should look at things from angles based on scientifically proven and up-to-date criteria and not from angles that are already outdated and contradict current events. ] (]) 23:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


:Blog posts and homework help sites are not reliable sources. It is better to stick to high-quality academic sources than to add 'up-to-date' blog fluff. ] (]) 16:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes... i do, i removed a chunk of the most biased info including the part on teenagers 'emotional insecurity' and the unproven parts of teen sexuality and teen sexual behaviour. I put in a few statistics from a January 2005, centers for disease control study on teen sex that at least has some data, although info on foreign policy, data, statistics on teen sexual behaviour is widely varied. (I especially found the part which said 'teens usually have sex or make sexual contact out of a 'hook up' was quite.... shall we just say. DOWNRIGHT WRONG! PUT IN SOME DMAN EVIDENCE DAMNIT!!!!.
::Sorry, but I think you are mistaken, because the sources cited in the article are organizational sources and scientific articles. If you think that government and organizational sources are unreliable sources and do not comply with Misplaced Pages's guidelines, you are mistaken. ] (]) 17:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I can read the article history just fine, you clearly added blogs and homework help sites. ] (]) 22:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::::And now you're adding . ] (]) 19:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@] Wow, so I can't use scientific articles, nor blog sources, nor any kind of links or reliable sources. I think you're the ones who are taking away the rights of other editors with your lies and abuse of power. Get real, administrator, because the edit you support so much is all wrong and completely outside Misplaced Pages's rules. You seem more like a bunch of people looking for edit fights than real administrators. This is a disgrace. ] (]) 20:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::You can't copy and paste from anything into Misplaced Pages, from any source. If you keep doing that I expect you're going to get blocked indefinitely. Respecting the rights of authors and avoiding plagiarism is important and a basic requirement to work on this site. ] (]) 20:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::Again I repeat. Did you at least read my edit and review the articles mentioned? It seems not, I used my own words to edit the file according to verified sources, and I also followed all possible Misplaced Pages rules. You are a disgrace to Misplaced Pages and to all other users and should not be an administrator since that role is not yours. I hope you are banned indefinitely from Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I did review the articles, yes. That is how I noticed you were violating copyright. You absolutely did not use your own words. This is not the first time you have made talk page claims that are obviously false (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Adolescence&diff=next&oldid=1251530274 like when you denied adding blog links). You have to actually follow Misplaced Pages's policies, not violate them and then claim otherwise in subsequent talk page posts. ] (]) 20:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::Okay, administrator, it will be according to my own words, that is, "my own way of speaking", but if my edit is deleted once again, then I will be sure that this is either persecution, or an editing dispute, or abuse of power or some kind of bullying and offense to my rights. This is the last attempt I will make to publish, because if you don't know, each edit takes time and I don't have much time to waste. ] (]) 00:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Your edit absolutely will be 'deleted once again' if you don't secure ] support for your changes. Introducing the same problems over and over is just ]. ] (]) 00:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Also, you keep addressing me as though I am the only person who has reverted you or taken issue with your editing - I am not. ] (]) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::But you were one of them 😐 ] (]) 00:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::And what problems really are? ] (]) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::They've been explained to you a few times, here and at your user talk page. Sometimes ] problems, other times ] problems, and often problems of using unreliable sources (]). I strongly recommend you slow down and make much smaller edits rather then trying to rewrite the lead sections of articles in one go. ] (]) 00:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::Thank you for clarifying the issues that I need to correct, I will create an edit according to the rules you gave me. Thank you again for your attention and understanding. ] (]) 00:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::If you were to 'create an edit' on this page without getting consensus support in advance that would be in very poor judgement. You have been specifically warned about this on your user talk page by ] and you've already been blocked once for disrupting this article. Resuming the same issues again here would be very unwise. ] (]) 00:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I have rewritten the introduction of the page within the following rules mentioned by you:
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:::::::::::::::Adolescence (from the Latin ''adulescere'': to grow) was originally defined by G. Stanley Hall in his treatise on adolescence as a phase between childhood and adulthood of "storm and stress", from the age of 14 to 24. The International Association for Adolescent Health (IAAH) broadened this definition, considering adolescence to be a multifaceted phase from 10 to 24 years of age that encompasses the transition from childhood to adulthood, involving physical growth, sexual, cognitive, social and emotional development .
:::::::::::::::This phase of life brings with it the experiences of childhood, influencing the future trajectories of each adolescent, but often these experiences will not determine the young person's future, because adolescence is often marked by great adaptability, with opportunities for change, resilience, recovery and development. It is these interactions that mark adolescence out as a unique period for healthy and positive development trajectories.
:::::::::::::::The adolescent years between the ages of 10 and 24 are years of discovery and identity construction. Neuroscientist Sarah-Jayne Blakemore points out: "That in adolescence our sense of self undergoes profound development as we try to establish ourselves in the outside world."
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:::::::::::::::'''''Make sure it's fit to be published.''''' ] (]) 21:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::This has the same plagiarism of the sources as your last effort. A ] is still a copyright violation - you are clearly copying text from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545476/ for starters. ] (]) 21:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::Thank you for clarifying where I went wrong, I will improve my edition to make it even better and without plagiarism or inaccuracies. ] (]) 22:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::'''Adolescence''' (from the Latin ''adulescere'': to grow) ], in his pioneering work on adolescence, described this phase as a period of "storm and stress", situated between childhood and adulthood, and defined it as occurring between the ages of 14 and 24<ref name=:1">https://iaah.org/</ref>. The International Association for Adolescent Health (IAAH) broadened this definition, considering adolescence to be a multifaceted phase between the ages of 10 and 24 that encompasses the transition from childhood to adulthood, involving physical growth, sexual, cognitive, social and emotional development<ref name=:2">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352464218300221</ref><ref name=:3">https://iaah.org/education-training-healthcare-providers/</ref>.
::::::::::::::::::Adolescence is a phase of great transformation and adaptation, in which young people develop the ability to deal with challenges and build their own path. The experiences of childhood, although important, do not completely define the adolescent's future, as this phase offers countless opportunities for learning, growth and resilience<ref name=:3">https://iaah.org/education-training-healthcare-providers/</ref>.
::::::::::::::::::The teenage years between the ages of 10 and 24 are years of discovery and identity building. Neuroscientist ] points out: "That in adolescence our sense of self undergoes profound development as we try to establish ourselves in the outside world."<ref name=:2">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352464218300221</ref>
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:::::::::::::::::::That looks like you ran the same text through ChatGPT or similar. ] (]) 23:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::Sorry, but I don't need to use GPT Chat or anything similar in my edits, but thanks anyway for finding my edit so good, and comparing it with GPT Chat. I'm 46 years old and I've always been curious to learn about human development and since then I've been striving to understand the stages of life especially human development from childhood, adolescence and youth. I understand your concerns about the WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE rules and I assure you that I have dedicated myself to reading the sources carefully and rewriting them in my own words, trying to follow the Misplaced Pages rules and collaborating with the community. I would like to point out that I am still learning how to edit on Misplaced Pages and that I may have made some mistakes, but because you were polite and willing to help me, I was able to fix the flaws in my editing as best I could. Could you point me to the specific passages that still have WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE problems or some other kind of contravention of Misplaced Pages rules? I would like to better understand how I can improve my text and avoid these problems in the future. ] (]) 23:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::It looks like ChatGPT is not 'Good'. ChatGPT adds a lot of improper intensifiers and generally cannot write in an encyclopedic tone. Your text shows the same issues. ] (]) 00:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::Also, as discussed, trying to rewrite the lead section like this is not a good way to proceed, as you've previously been told a couple of times. ] (]) 00:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::Sorry, but you seem to be looking for something impossible that is beyond any kind of editing. If my edit is within the rules mentioned:
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:::::::::::::::::::::::I feel like I'm on Master Chef 😂 lol ] (]) 00:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::You have not actually addressed any of the problems that have been pointed out. I suggest you move on to something else - Posting the same thing over and over with slight variations isn't getting anywhere. ] (]) 00:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::Take a look at my article and let me know how it turned out and what I could improve. ] (]) 18:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::MrOllie, I followed all the Misplaced Pages rules you mentioned:
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:::::::::::::::::::::I've improved my edit as much as I can, but you're still disdaining my edit, even without having a reason to do so as if the previous edit had been created by a super human endowed with so much wisdom and intelligence that no one can compare to him, even if he tries his hardest and complies with all Misplaced Pages standards. I'm not trying to pick fights about editing, nor am I trying to show myself to be superior or more intelligent than anyone else, because I believe that life is like a learning book where we learn and improve ourselves every day. I just want to collaborate with Misplaced Pages and update a source that hasn't been updated in years. Besides, you are doubting scientific sources based on empirical evidence, just to deny that my edit is published on Misplaced Pages and to support your point of view. ] (]) 19:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::The existing version contains good, recent scientific sources, which are higher quality than the ones you are attempting to cite (as defined by ]). It also does not have the obvious violations pointed out to you several times which remain unaddressed by your minor grammatical tweaks. Your changes are not an improvement to the article, thus we should remain with the current version. Making personal attacks on me will not change that. ] (]) 19:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::Ok, MrOllie, this is not a personal attack on you if that's what you think. Those sources are scientific papers, including government sources, and not inaccurate sources containing false information as you say, but if that's your concern I can rewrite my edit using only government articles. No problem! ] (]) 19:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::::::::I'm only in this conflict because my edits have been blocked by you several times and this is disappointing, because that's wasted research and editing time. ] (]) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::{{tq|if that's your concern I can rewrite my edit using only government articles}} That's not my concern, I never said that, and no one is asking you to do that. {{Tq|I'm only in this conflict because my edits have been blocked by you several times}} I've reverted you exactly once on this article. As I've mentioned before, I am not the only person who has had issues with your edits. {{tq|because that's wasted research and editing time}} No one asked you to do that either. ] (]) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::'''''"Sorry, but I wasn't just referring to this article, but to several others. I had another account that got banned out of nowhere and every edit I made was reverted by you @MrOllie or @Ohnoitsjamie, and I almost lost my current account just because of one edit. I know you're doing your job as an admin and that you weren't the only one who reverted my edits and banned my account, and you were the only one who was kind, polite and willing to help me and I deeply appreciate that. Anyway, I recreated my edit, and so that it's not a waste of time to post it and lose it again, here's my updated version, I ask that you review it if it's within Misplaced Pages's rules before I post it."'''''
::::::::::::::::::::::::::'''Adolescence''' (from the Latin ''adulescere'', meaning to grow) is a transitional period between childhood and adulthood marked by significant biological, cognitive, and psychosocial changes. Several organizations, such as the ] and the ], define adolescence as the period from ages 10 to 24.<ref name=:1">https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/25388/chapter/4</ref><ref name=:2">https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/neurobiological-and-socio-behavioral-science-of-adolescent-development-and-its-applications</ref><ref name=:3">https://research.sahmri.org.au/en/publications/the-age-of-adolescence</ref> In contrast, the Mass Cultural Council, aligning with Erik Erikson's work on the stages of psychosocial development, defines it as the period from ages 12 to 23. <ref name=:4">https://massculturalcouncil.org/creative-youth-development/boston-youth-arts-evaluation-project/brief-history-of-adolescence-youth-development/#:~:text=Although%20the%20first%20use%20of,%26%20Steinberg%2C%202009%2C%20p</ref> This broader definition highlights the importance of adolescent development for health and well-being throughout the lifespan, and recognizes that this period provides significant changes and opportunities for self-discovery, social bonding, and identity exploration.<ref name=:2">https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/neurobiological-and-socio-behavioral-science-of-adolescent-development-and-its-applications</ref> ] (]) 23:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::{{Tq|I had another account that got banned out of nowhere}} Block evasion is itself a blockable offense, it was not 'out of nowhere'. {{Tq|and I almost lost my current account just because of one edit.}} That is not accurate. You have consistently made problem edits across a range of articles. If you get blocked indefinately, it will be because of this pattern of edits, not one edit. {{Tq|I ask that you review it if it's within Misplaced Pages's rules before I post it.}} Do not post it. Instead, you should ] and move on - your proposals don't improve on what's already in the article. ] (]) 23:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I've spent enough time on this for now. I probably won't respond so often any more. Please do not interpret silence as support for your changes. ] (]) 23:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I made a series of revisions to my edit, and even presented it to some administrators in a discussion forum, and they all said that at least now my edit complies with Misplaced Pages's rules. I think you didn't like the extended view of adolescence, which instead of being 10 to 19 years old, is 10 to 24 years old, which is in line with several scientific studies that empirically prove that human development continues until the mid-20s, including several organizations that have already adopted this updated and accurate view of adolescence. In any case, I appreciate your understanding and attention, and since I made every effort to create this edit and since it complies with Misplaced Pages's rules, I published it. Although you do not support it, I hope that somehow you will take my effort into consideration, and that at some point the traditional definition of adolescence from 10 to 19 years old will be replaced soon by the more recent definition of 10 to 24 years old, by the UN and its organizations until at least 2030. ] (]) 00:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::{{Tq|and even presented it to some administrators in a discussion forum}} Kindly provide a link to this. ] (]) 00:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::'''''Waste of time, even if I showed you the link, unfortunately you will continue to revert my edits, and you have already done so. I give up! I am wasting too much time on stupid things like this trying to edit something that does not add anything to me, if you want to continue with your edit, feel free. But unfortunately it is depressing to see something that should contain truthful, consistent information and free for everyone to edit, being controlled by false information such as saying that "adolescence lasts until the age of 30" and outdated information such as believing that the most correct view of adolescence is the one adopted by the WHO dating back to the 20th century and that the organization itself recognizes that its definition of adolescence is not perfect and is already inconsistent with the current reality of adolescents. As I said, I am a 46-year-old guy and I don't even know why I am trying to help a bunch of fools.''''' ] (]) 00:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I'm very curious to see that link as well. In the meantime, since you are now blocked from directly editing ], please take the time to read about ]. If you can propose an edit that is supported by reliable sources and doesn't involve removing existing well-sourced material without a good reason, we'll be happy to incorporate that into the article. <b>] ]</b> 00:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Wow! The guy who blocked me twice in a row just for editing on Misplaced Pages is now trying to reach a settlement? You are a terrible administrator, because you broke ], and you also committed "]" against me several times. You said that my edit was "]", which is not true, because I was not attacking anyone, but just collaborating and trying to update something that was already outdated. You were using Misplaced Pages's improper processes against me, perhaps just out of hatred, just to prove your vision point ], this is also known as ] or "]". You were also using policies to discredit my edit as if it were false and misleading ]. Sure, I failed many times, but I tried to correct my editing errors and even so you imposed unnecessary errors on my ] edits. With your arguments refuting and reverting my edits and attempts at corrections, you have discriminated against me as a bad-faith ] editor. In any case, I am tired of editing articles that will be reverted by you. Your type of conduct is a disgrace to Misplaced Pages, but '''''life is a learning experience where even great editors can act like newbies and even newbies can act like great editors'''''. ] (]) 12:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Personal Attacks ain't gonna get you anywhere. ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::What? ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Sorry, I was just writing that you were the ones who attacked me first, even though I made it clear from the beginning that I wasn't looking for edit wars, but just to collaborate on Misplaced Pages, and instead of politely talking to me, you called my edit "disturbing" as if my edit was something "horrible" or "criminal", and you also blocked my main account twice at the beginning, and banned many others, including "Wiki7HellSecondary". And you made me waste my time, creating and recreating edits in vain. You also broke a series of rules against me.
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::And you still want me to refrain from defending myself? Then please don't try to play the victim. ] (]) 15:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I literally did not personally attack you. I actually invited you to not attack others. ] <sup>(])</sup> 15:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I wasn't referring to you Babysharkboss2, but to Ohnoitsjamie who blocked my secondary account "Wiki7HellSecondary" and reverted all my edits, I understand that no one is obliged to like an edit or a point of view, but you should have just warned me before blocking my main account "Wiki7Hell". That's what really revolted me. ] (]) 16:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:(outdent) I'm not trying to reach as "settlement." I'm repeating the I've been telling you, as clearly as possible. The partial block was necessary as you ]. <b>] ]</b> 13:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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::'''I understand''', '''there is no possibility''' of an edit from my side since you will not agree with any point of view that I may put in my edit and will probably revert any edit that I may make, that is, you have created your own convictions and no one can change them regardless of whether my point of view is valid, you have probably already reached a consensus to renounce that point of view. ] In my opinion Misplaced Pages is controlled by the administrators and is not a free platform, nor does it need to be regardless of the sources added, even if the administrators' opinions are incorrect. ] (]) 15:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::] ] <sup>(])</sup> 15:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::: You don't need to ping me anymore. I've already given you plenty of advice and suggestions, and you said that you will not be editing the article anymore. <b>] ]</b> 16:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think this is a ], personally. With a slice of ]. ] <sup>(])</sup> 16:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::The one who started this heated debate was Ohnoitsjamie, when he insulted my edit and blocked my account. You admins all get together to try to compete for something that I don't even know why. ] (]) 16:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not an admin. ] <sup>(])</sup> 16:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::I thought about giving up, but now I won't. If you think I'm going to lose this one, you're wrong. ] ] (]) 16:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::: I'd suggest adding ] to your list of links. <b>] ]</b> 16:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::But indeed Oh Night Jamie you are the one who started a feud instead of a civilized debate. My secondary account @] is permanently blocked. Because of you. ] (]) 16:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::In addition to blocking my secondary account, you stained my main account with 2 blocks and you still want to play the victim. ] (]) 17:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::You registered a secondary account to evade the block on your first one. What did you think would happen? ] (]) 17:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Add A Fact: "1.3 billion adolescents globally" ==
Although this section still needs A LOT OF EDITING!.


I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below
http://www.history-of-rock.com/teenagers.htm
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There are 1.3 billion adolescents in the world today
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The fact comes from the following source:
: https://data.unicef.org/topic/adolescents/overview/


Is a link on the references and when i visited it i found HIGHLY BIASED completely unbacked opininated information. When i tried to find this link to the offending page I couldn't find it in the edit code where it was supposed to be. Although it still shows up on the page and is an active link, if someone could help with locating the link and removing it that would be much appreciated.


Additional comments from user: This insight is valuable, enabling the user to understand the proportion of the population represented by adolescents.
:That source is used as a reference backing up the fact concerning when the word "teenager" came into use. None of the other information on the History of Rock page is used in this Misplaced Pages article. ] 06:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


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== Adolescent sexuality not same as adolescent psychology ==


] (]) 16:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
The secion on ] should summarise that article and present a global (not US centric) perspective. An article on ], again with a global perspective may be justified, there is already an article on ]. ] 07:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

damnit.... could someone PLEASE EXPLAIN why they restored the text i deleted IWTHOUT CITING A GOOD REASON?. It was entirely backe4d up, the websites listed as reference are of a right wing nature and themselves contain unproven facts, and the centers for disease control data. WHICH IS LEGIT AND I POSTED WITH A LINK! HAS BEEN DELETED.

I'm restoring the CDC data and deleting the text until someone comes up with viable information, please note iwill also try and contact an admin to put protection on this article.
] 20:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

*First of all, you deleted more than what was simply pertaining to sexuality. If you are going to edit and delete, please be more careful. Secondly, your data (at least part of it) was included. My first revert yesterday included the piece about contraception. I accidently missed the part about the birth rate dropping, but it has been restored. See footnotes 19 and 21. As to the other points, US News & World Reports is hardly a right-wing publication. There are other sources listed in there from the CDC, the US Dept of Health & Human Services, the Journal Pediatrics & the Medical College of Wisconson you deleted as well. If you would like to refute Dr. Sax then by all means ], but don't simply delete it because you don't like what he says. Also, be sure you can offer evidence to back it up. Sax has an MD and PhD, so I am sure he would not get published if he did not have evidence to him back up. Finally, please calm down a bit. There is no need to get all excited, nor to use profanity. We are all friends here. --] 22:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

== teen sexuality seperate article... my ass ==

also.... if there should be a seperate article on teen sexuality WHY IS THERE AN ENTIRE MINI ARTCIEL ON IT WHICH IJUST CLAIMED WAS NON NUETRAL AND FALSE???!!!

deleted biased information.. again!, highly request protection ASAP. Leonard sax's info is highly biased and weakly backed up. The KFF/CDC info i put in was replaced with older outdated info which contributes even more to the biased and unscientifically proven materials that seems to be hypocritical of the articles own words....

The links are also FILLED with antisexual information that would not be helpful to a parent or teenager looking for a good reference on teenaged sexuality.

If a seperate article is to be then i think it'll need discussion as there is too much
trolling the info to fit into particular relegious political ideologies.

] 21:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

== what concerns me the most. ==

What ocncerns me the most is how the article says that teenagers are incapable of dealing with the emotions etc. that come with sex, how it does far more harm then good, and how it says teenaged sexual relations are usually hook-ups*.

*how do you define hook-ups?
* has there been a reasonable study proving this?
*has leanoard sax EVER gotten the opinions of teenagers themselves?

I myself havn't been able to find any of his books, although Judith Levine's
book, harmful to minors: the perils of protecting children from sex will tell you exactly the opposite.

Plus, CDC data stating STD rates are now at 88 per 1,000 HARDLY seems to be an 'epidemic', except in the hispanic and african ethnicities where it tends to be a little bit higher. If you can i'd like to see some studies to back up the above points WHICH are preferably not from Sax, if they are then PLEASE give me the source of the study....

(note that the CDC study link had been removed and i'd like it to be reinserted, also.
I'm going to move the CDC data up towards the top of adolescent sexuality/psychology because of the multitudes of data saying sex between teenagers is dangerous.

This should help to balance it out in case some parent reads it and doesn't even get to the bottom having decided (MY daughter can't have sex!!, this data says she'll become depressed!!!) I'd prefer the links to studies proving the depression as well.

PLUS we need a world view and studies from at least more countries then the United states, as this presents a problem to people visiting this page who are from other but english speaking countries.

I'll also try and find some data on european views on adolescent seuxal activity (I have some and can get some more), and i must say the house-of-rock page is itself heavily biased and deriving the origin of the term 'teenager' might seem, upon close inspection.... a bit unreliable.

P.S. sry for the shouting, but I really DO consider this information to be biased and completely un-nuetral as well as opinionated.
] 22:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S.S.

I would REALLY appreciate it if more sources backing up the claims of harm done to teenagers from sex/ intoxication causing it/reducing embarrasment could be provided 'hopefully' in internet form that are seperate from Leonard sax's theories as a LARGE amount of ther references are from Leonard Sax and it would be gratefully acknowledged if you could come up with more sources to back up Sax's claims due to his ideas and facts filling up a lot of the topic of teen sexuality.

Oh yes... I'm wondering about a seperate wikipedia article SPECIFICALLY for teen sexuality and activity/behaviour due to the fact that it is a bit long and if info about other countries are included the length might be increased DRAMATICALLY.

Thus warranting another article based solely on this.

] 23:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== My thoughts ==

The entire section is poorly sourced and highly subjective. It is obviously biased because any intro Psychology text will tell you that this teenage crisis thing is not known in many parts of the world, so many of the problems discussed in the passages can be debatable.

However, we must have a civil debate. It's best to avoid sweeping generalizations, and to cite every controversial statement you make. Let's start doing that. ] (], ]) 02:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

*Guidelines to be kept in mind: Unsourced statements may be deleted; opinions should not be stated as facts (even if an expert said it); credibly sourced statements should not deleted (do not throw the baby out with the bathwater). ] (], ]) 21:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
**I agree, and that is why I have reverted the edits made by Nateland. I am sure he is well intentioned, but his writing leaves much to be desired and it has been pointed out here and on his talk page that he can not simply delete material he disagrees with. He does, as you say, throw the baby out with the bath water. The older text may be biased, but at least it is readable.
***Biased text does not belong in Misplaced Pages, and if Nateland's edits are not written well, please try to polish it instead of reverting. Also, please sign in if you have an account, and sign your messages. If you believe anyone's removed properly sourced material, please give me the diffs. ] (], ]) 21:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
***I don't want to take sides here, but Nateland's offered to discuss his text here. I urge the other side to do the same. ] (], ]) 21:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

== "Psychology of adolescents" and "Adolescent sexuality" ==

The sections on "Psychology of adolescents" and "Adolescent sexuality" consist mostly of biased commentary, and mainly pertain to the United States. Many of the statements seem to be supported by an ] rather than actual data. Moreover, many of the citations do not provide links to easily-accessible peer-reviewed studies which can be scrutinized for accuracy.

I think it would be best to scrap most of these sections and stick with objective quantitative data that can be verified in a peer-reviewed journal. --] (]) 11:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

:I agree. Perhaps someone can move the passages to this talk page and work on it until it's good for publication. ] (], ]) 16:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== ok... here's my twenty bucks... again --___-- ==

I hope this can be used as a temporary replacement for the section on teen sexuality due to it's easily verifiable and trustworthy nature. (The Centers For Disease Control are pretty reliable in my opinion and many others) Plus it's layout would EASILY allow for inclusion of information on adolescent sexual activity and sexuality in other countries.. oh yes i'm thinking.
Could someone come up with some internet sources to show that adolescents have as diverse sexual orientations as adults?, that would be a given and add some more info other then statistics on pregnancy and STD transmission.

I myself KNOW that teenagers (I myself am a teenager, a little over 14) have varied orientations both homo, hetero, and paraphilic, but do ont know of many good studies or surveys to prove this point which aren't under hot debate.

below is my idea of a good temporary replacement, i've also contacted an admin a few days ago to see if they can help out in this matter. 9Not sure if they'll get back to me though)
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http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm

http://www.ashastd.org/hpv/hpv_learn_myths.cfm

While a highly controversial topic, both sides of the issue for and against this activity have been fighting fiercely to prove their points on both relegious, secular, scientific, and statistical grounds.

This section deals with....

Adolescent Sexual Activity In The United States

Research (Shown in the paragraph below) HAS proven In The United States however that pregnancy and std transmission in sexually active teens has gone down dramatically over the past 10 years, both of which have been leading secular reasons for stopping adolescent sexual activity (For pregnancy this is vaginal intercourse and for STD's like HIV it is anal, oral, or vaginal sex that counts towards the statistics, other STD's like syphillis etc. are available at the reference page)

Centers For Disease Control study On Rates For STD, and Pregnancy in United States teens

Of US teens aged 15-19 who are having sexual intercourse almost all (98%) use at least one form of contraception. The most popular form, at 94% usage, are condoms and the birth control pill at 61%.

U.S. teen pregnancies had decreased 28% between 1990 and 200 from 117 pregnancies of every 1,000 to 84 per 1,000 by the year 2,000.

Plase note however that WORLDWIDE: "Genital HPV infection is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) that is caused by human papillomavirus (HPV). Human papillomavirus is the name of a group of viruses that includes more than 100 different strains or types. More than 30 of these viruses are sexually transmitted, and they can infect the genital area of men and women including the skin of the penis, vulva (area outside the vagina), or anus, and the linings of the vagina, cervix, or rectum. Most people who become infected with HPV will not have any symptoms and will clear the infection on their own."

Also, in the case of HPV condoms DO NOT completely stop the risk of contraction oh HPV, however the use of condoms has been shown by studies to lower the risk of getting this Disease

Some of these viruses are called "high-risk" types, and may cause abnormal Pap tests. They may also lead to cancer of the cervix, vulva, vagina, anus, or penis. Others are called "low-risk" types, and they may cause mild Pap test abnormalities or genital warts. Genital warts are single or multiple growths or bumps that appear in the genital area, and sometimes are cauliflower shaped. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 21:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== well.... ==

I waited a couple of hours after I made the proposal.. then i proceeded to post them.
however they were soon reverted (Somehow the person who did it isn't on the log) And
i'm formally asking the people interested in this article to come and try to reach a decision as it has multiple dubious and POV sections which i've been trying to combat for the past few days to no avail really....

help is appreciated.
Article in question: ]

Other articles in question:
]
]
]

NOTE: We are looking for people willing to help out WITHOUT any kind of point of view, bias, or anything that would worsen the off balance neutrality for these articles.

== attention! ==

due to no input having been given for over 12 hours, i'm consider that all parties hereby consent to the temporary replacement of the sexuality section with the text as shown above.

Yours truly, ] 20:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

*Nateland, you may not have anything to do on a Saturday night/ Sunday morning, but plenty of us did. 12 hours is not a sufficient time period to achieve consensus on something like this. In general, several days is a good rule of thumb. Most of us don't hover over WP constantly, so you can't assume that since no one raises any objections within a few hours that we all agree. Further, what was on there contained good info on health & pregnancy, but you deleted much on psychological issues. I did like creating a subsection about US teens. Finally, ''again'', don't simply delete material you disagree with. What is posted is from experts in easily verifiable sources. Find other sources to back up what you believe if you want. I've reverted to the old text. --] 03:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC) PS - The note you added is not part of the WP style. Please find an appropriate template to use, if you feel it is needed.--] 03:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

== Removed passages ==

"Genital HPV infection is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) that is caused by human papillomavirus (HPV). Human papillomavirus is the name of a group of viruses that includes more than 100 different strains or types. More than 30 of these viruses are sexually transmitted, and they can infect the genital area of men and women including the skin of the penis, vulva (area outside the vagina), or anus, and the linings of the vagina, cervix, or rectum. Most people who become infected with HPV will not have any symptoms and will clear the infection on their own."<ref>http://www.ashastd.org/hpv/hpv_learn_myths.cfm</ref>

Also, in the case of HPV condoms DO NOT completely stop the risk of contraction oh HPV, however the use of condoms has been shown by studies to lower the risk of getting this Disease

I didn't see what the above had to with the article, so I deleted it. ] (], ]) 22:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:I agree with deleting this section. It doesn't have anything directly to do with adolescence, but rather with sexuality in general. --] (]) 01:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)



== this is what it was for. ==

Due to the dispute about the leonard sax information being filled in on the sexuality section I put in just general STD info until it could be resolved.... (I was thinking it would be neutral enough just as a basic filler until this dispute could be fixed)

Although now that it's al lback to the old junk I'm thinking the same thing Xiner, adolescent sex should be relegated to the MAIN topic of sexuality (Maybe the portal or something?, or inside the article on human sexual behaviour?), and then once it's there we can all argue and fuss over what goes in it.

Anyone with me on this? ] 21:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

== oh yes i almost forgot! ==

If it was in human sexual behaviour then we could link off into the various other subjects of sexuality as teenagers DO have a diverse range of sexual behaviours including homosexuality and paraphilia's and thus it would allow for GREATER expansion of this topic which needs much information.

And to Illuminato, I know i shouldn't have deleted it. But it's ALL from Leonard Sax!, THAT'S the problem, we need info from BOTH sides of the debate and if it's all LEONARD SAX!, then well.... maybe we should have a for and against section. But I think that what i stated in my post above would be quite fitting as it IS general sexuality.

Then we'll let the larger audience shred it to bits and feud over the content.
Although I think that BEFORE we even THINK of sticking it in the sexuality portal we'll need to create a NEW section that is acceptable to the 4 of us as i see it.

That means once it's as neutral as WE and any OTHER people who join in think it ought to be THEN we can discuss amongst ourselves the issue of merging it with the sexuality portal or one of it's subarticles.

What do you think Illuminato/people?

] 21:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

*WP is not a place to have debates with for and against sections. You did not place those new sections in the sexuality section, so please be more careful in the future. A lot of the info you had was duplicated, so I removed what was in there twice. Also, please get a full cite for the Levine source. Your original text said she was a journalist, is she also an expert in teenage sexuality? If she is not, I question whether what would only be her opinion should be included. I left it in for the time being, until you get the full cite. Finally, there are 18 cited sources in this section, and only 5 of them are from Sax. Thats a far cry from "ALL."--] 00:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:A few random thoughts about the edit war:
:We don't always have to break things out into pro/con terms. That often isn't the best way of presenting different opinions. In this case, I think we can come up with something more nuanced than "for" and "against" sections. You can't look at a study and decide whether the study is for or against adolescent sexuality, so these sections won't work. We should also be careful to say that a study has proven its conclusion. We can say things like "according to a study by..." or "researchers at xyz wrote that..." but we should not say "Research (Shown in the paragraph below) HAS proven". With that said, the quotes from Leonard Sax are excessive, placed too highly, and the way they are used is a violation of the NPOV policy. There are even opinionated statements which are written in Misplaced Pages's own voice - absolutely prohibited by NPOV. For example, the sentence "The harm done to teenagers who engage in sexual activities is especially true for girls" must be removed. I am placing an NPOV tag on this section and I hope that we will hear from people other than Illuminato and Nateland here. ] 00:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::Is that really a source we want to be using here? From the wikpedia page on ]: "Because of its controversial nature and content, it was nearly impossible for Levine to find a publisher — one prospective publisher even called it "radioactive." A book that was nearly impossible to publish because it was so extreme doesnt really sound like the type of sources we should be using here. POV isnt good in either direction. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 05:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:::It's a pretty well-known book and it got a lot of press coverage, not all of which was negative. Joycelyn Elders wrote the foreword. It's an opinionated source, but it is a good source for describing the opinions of those who believe sexuality is normal in teenagers. Please re-read the ] policy. While Misplaced Pages articles do not express opinions themselves, there is nothing wrong with describing the opinions of others. ] 05:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::::True, it got a lot of press but only because it was so controversial. I don't think anyone is arguing that sexuality isn't normal in teenagers, just whether or not it is healthy for them to be acting on those instincts. Anyway, from the quote provided, this book seems to argue that sex is good for children. I haven't read it, but the only other people I know making that argument in NAMBLA. --] 03:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== yes i know ==

Yes, i was just trying to make a compromise that wouldn't be reverted by making for and against sections.

Because.. due to the controversial nature of this topic I think that it requires views from both sides AS WELL as general info (which was deleted multiple times by illuminato) Yes, i recognize i am biased FOR teenage sex and that's the reason i am contending it's current state so much.

I was thinking that with for and against sections as well as a general info (probably statistical and scientific) it would be more informative due... as i said earlier there might be people coming to this page (As it's #1 on googles search for adolescence) for advice and I am worried that the current constantly reverted to section on sexuality WILL cause possible confusion and misguided ideas about the adolescent sex that will NOT be in the interest of the person affected by it.

YES, my FOR section was pov, i was going to add more info and statisttics from the book (Of which there are many), although since I think that judith's book is like a highly liberal version of leonard sax's highly conservative book it's not a very good book for use in wikipedia.

But i DO think that accurate, straight information WHICH tells EXACTLY what the effects and/or consequences of teen sex as WELL as info on contraception, and views of various organizations on this perhaps, WITH some polls of the views on teen sex from teenagers myself.

Well, this my word!, ] 02:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== P.S. ==

Oh yea, and by straight i mean accurate information (Sorry if it came across to you as being homophobic... kind of a bad choice of words for this topic, just realized :D

== Photo: Not high school students ==

The photo URL is dead.
But I find it hard to believe that the completely bald man in the backgrund is under 40, and the mustache guy in the foreground looks at least in his 30's. And why are there so few high-school-looking males? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 19:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Unsourced: preteens maintain preferences??? ==

"Preteens are increasingly a specifically targeted market segment by business, because they tend to maintain the preferences they develop at this age."

Is this really true? How many adults enjoy "boy bands" and "tween" movies? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 19:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Ok, still some problems. ==

Now, a minor concern is that the Part on HPV. WHICH can be partially prevented via condom usage (A Centers For disease control link was PLACED within EASY clicking distance to prove this point that it can lower it's risk and yet....

It keeps getting changed to (Oh it cannot be prevented by condoms or anything blah blah blah)

Now what arouses my suspicions is that people against sex among adolescence would do ANYTHING to make sex seem dangerous no matter what.

Even if it's just a little virus, and Illuminato.

HPV can lay dormant for YEARS. So if you get it before you marry, you marry, and you have sex. you can STILL contract HPV!, so EVEN MARRIAGE isn't any good when faced with what you term 'unpreventable diseases' I think i'll add in that part.

Also, the article seems to be doing ok. BUT!, even though most of Leonard Sax's quotes have been removed. There are still parts which i find, oddly unverifiable. I'll check them out though just to make sure.

And thanks SO much Rhobite, Xiner etc. for helping make this article a little smoother!, i'm glad.

] 00:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

== these sentences in question. ==

teens - and preteens - are too young to fathom the consequences, both physical and emotional, of" sexual activities.

How is that able to be PROVEN?, that's not a very provable point. Comes from world news.

impersonality of twenty-first-century adolescent sex victimizes girls" and "plenty of harm" is done to boys as well. When taking part in hookups "the kids don't even look at each other. It's mechanical, dehumanizing. The fallout is that later in life they have trouble forming relationships. They're jaded.

I have sources to indicate that sex ACTUALLY HELPS relationships form later in life by giving teens the tools to make love, negotiate, and more.

, a professor of psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco and author of The Sex Lives of Teenagers, "early initiation into sexual behaviors a toll on teens' mental health. The result, she says, can be 'dependency on boyfriends and girlfriends, serious depression around breakups and cheating, lack of goals.'

This came from World news too.
In fact BOTH of these are from a 2005 article that i doubt ANYONE can easily get to.
I'm requesting that the person who posted this PROVIDES THE ARTICLE ON-LINE ALONG WITH IT'S SOURCES.

Otherwise it breaks a wikipedia policy (Can't remember which one though), but WHO keeps year old newspapers?, not many people would have the article on hand to verify judging by that. AND newspapers don't usually list sources except random or 'specially picked' scientists who might not have A CLUE what they're talking about.
I'm HEAVILY in favor of removing the US and world news report paragraphs and checking into the statement that teens become 'jaded'.

] 00:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I think all of the quotes should be removed, especially if their statements are not supported by data. Just because ] Person says something doesn't make it automatically true. --] (]) 20:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

== Gender specific terms?? ==

Any proposed gender-specific terms?? Just like "boy" and "girl" are for "child"?? ] 00:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

== Removed lines about HPV ==

I have removed the following text from the "Adolescent sexuality" section:
<blockquote>One STD that can not be prevented with condoms or the birth control pill is the ] (HPV). HPV may lead to certain types of cancer and ].</blockquote>

The first sentence is overstated. There is evidence that condom use may reduce the risk of HPV . --] (]) 20:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

==Too much (text about) adolescent sex!==
It's sloppy, redundant, and an invitation to a ], to have so much material in the "Adolescent sexuality" section when there's also a main article about it. When a sub-topic has its own article, there should just be a brief summary paragraph in the parent article. ] 20:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

: I went ahead and moved the material to ]. Please integrate any material that is not redundant into that article.

: ] 20:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

:: Okay, I see the material's been restored as my version was "not a summary." This is strange, since what I kept ''was'' what was there before -- I barely changed any wording, much less content.

:: But whatever, it's not my work -- I'll give you some time to summarize it yourself. But the work does need to be done, as the section as it stands is bloated and redundant with ].

:: ] 21:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

:: What the...I've just checked, and the section is '''''identical with''''' ]. The '''''entire article''''' is simply printed twice, once as an article and once as a subsection. That's ridiculous.

:: (The anon above was me not logged in, by the way, sorry -- I was merrily typing four tildes and not checking hwo they came out.) ] 21:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Illuminato! I, uh...I still think it's too long -- it remains twice the length of any other section. But that was really good-faith-y of you. ] 21:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

== I agree with you guys. ==

Yes, the topic of adolescent sexuality is WAAAYYY to trolled. The part on HPV has been reverted AGAIN and the main article on Adolescent sexuality IS a identical copy.

We've got a MAJOR problem with trollers and I think that we should try and keep the adolescent sexuality part OUT of this article and in the main article on that topic.

EVEN if it means a never ending edit war, we can always try and call in an administrator.

Now... with the main article on adolescent sexuality, I'm up for some revising of it to get rid of any POV statements and try to present all major sides of the debate in a clearly visible manner (This to me is a big problem as I myself am an advocate FOR allowing teenagers to have consensual sex with the use of contraception and whenever i've managed to introduce that side of the debate into the article and it wasn't reverted... well, it was shoved down at the bottom and out of sight basically. )

It looks like we'll need to put in a ''lot'' of effort for this.
In the meantime i'll check over the main article, add some nuetrality tags to the section on this adolescence article.

And I think i'll delete the section here as it's already in the main article on adolescent sexuality (Whomever created it... probably that annoying pest Illuminato when he/she/herma :-) was looking for a way to sneak in a few POV statements, I apologize if i was wrong about Illuminato making it.. but he's given me A LOT of trouble in the past with this topic.

Anyways, good luck to making this a wikified article HOORAH!
] 19:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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I left the article with a more up-to-date view of adolescence, I didn't quote the "WHO" because the definition of adolescence adopted by it dates back to the 20th century, but we are already in the 21st century and even with all the scientific discoveries and the international media recognition surrounding these scientific discoveries, the WHO and the UN have not chosen to change their outdated definition of this complex phase of life called "ADOLESCENCE". I therefore believe that we should look at things from angles based on scientifically proven and up-to-date criteria and not from angles that are already outdated and contradict current events. Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Blog posts and homework help sites are not reliable sources. It is better to stick to high-quality academic sources than to add 'up-to-date' blog fluff. MrOllie (talk) 16:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, but I think you are mistaken, because the sources cited in the article are organizational sources and scientific articles. If you think that government and organizational sources are unreliable sources and do not comply with Misplaced Pages's guidelines, you are mistaken. Wiki7Hell (talk) 17:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
I can read the article history just fine, you clearly added blogs and homework help sites. see diff MrOllie (talk) 22:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
And now you're adding obvious copyright violations. MrOllie (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie Wow, so I can't use scientific articles, nor blog sources, nor any kind of links or reliable sources. I think you're the ones who are taking away the rights of other editors with your lies and abuse of power. Get real, administrator, because the edit you support so much is all wrong and completely outside Misplaced Pages's rules. You seem more like a bunch of people looking for edit fights than real administrators. This is a disgrace. Wiki7Hell (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
You can't copy and paste from anything into Misplaced Pages, from any source. If you keep doing that I expect you're going to get blocked indefinitely. Respecting the rights of authors and avoiding plagiarism is important and a basic requirement to work on this site. MrOllie (talk) 20:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
Again I repeat. Did you at least read my edit and review the articles mentioned? It seems not, I used my own words to edit the file according to verified sources, and I also followed all possible Misplaced Pages rules. You are a disgrace to Misplaced Pages and to all other users and should not be an administrator since that role is not yours. I hope you are banned indefinitely from Misplaced Pages. Wiki7Hell (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
I did review the articles, yes. That is how I noticed you were violating copyright. You absolutely did not use your own words. This is not the first time you have made talk page claims that are obviously false (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Adolescence&diff=next&oldid=1251530274 like when you denied adding blog links). You have to actually follow Misplaced Pages's policies, not violate them and then claim otherwise in subsequent talk page posts. MrOllie (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
Okay, administrator, it will be according to my own words, that is, "my own way of speaking", but if my edit is deleted once again, then I will be sure that this is either persecution, or an editing dispute, or abuse of power or some kind of bullying and offense to my rights. This is the last attempt I will make to publish, because if you don't know, each edit takes time and I don't have much time to waste. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Your edit absolutely will be 'deleted once again' if you don't secure WP:CONSENSUS support for your changes. Introducing the same problems over and over is just edit warring. MrOllie (talk) 00:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Also, you keep addressing me as though I am the only person who has reverted you or taken issue with your editing - I am not. MrOllie (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
But you were one of them 😐 Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
And what problems really are? Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
They've been explained to you a few times, here and at your user talk page. Sometimes WP:COPYVIO problems, other times WP:OR problems, and often problems of using unreliable sources (WP:RS). I strongly recommend you slow down and make much smaller edits rather then trying to rewrite the lead sections of articles in one go. MrOllie (talk) 00:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
Thank you for clarifying the issues that I need to correct, I will create an edit according to the rules you gave me. Thank you again for your attention and understanding. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
If you were to 'create an edit' on this page without getting consensus support in advance that would be in very poor judgement. You have been specifically warned about this on your user talk page by User:Ohnoitsjamie and you've already been blocked once for disrupting this article. Resuming the same issues again here would be very unwise. MrOllie (talk) 00:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
I have rewritten the introduction of the page within the following rules mentioned by you:
WP:CONSENSUS
WP:COPYVIO
WP:OR
WP:RS
Updated Introduction:
Adolescence (from the Latin adulescere: to grow) was originally defined by G. Stanley Hall in his treatise on adolescence as a phase between childhood and adulthood of "storm and stress", from the age of 14 to 24. The International Association for Adolescent Health (IAAH) broadened this definition, considering adolescence to be a multifaceted phase from 10 to 24 years of age that encompasses the transition from childhood to adulthood, involving physical growth, sexual, cognitive, social and emotional development .
This phase of life brings with it the experiences of childhood, influencing the future trajectories of each adolescent, but often these experiences will not determine the young person's future, because adolescence is often marked by great adaptability, with opportunities for change, resilience, recovery and development. It is these interactions that mark adolescence out as a unique period for healthy and positive development trajectories.
The adolescent years between the ages of 10 and 24 are years of discovery and identity construction. Neuroscientist Sarah-Jayne Blakemore points out: "That in adolescence our sense of self undergoes profound development as we try to establish ourselves in the outside world."
References:
1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352464218300221
2. https://iaah.org/education-training-healthcare-providers/
3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545476/
4. https://iaah.org/
Make sure it's fit to be published. Wiki7Hell (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
⚠️I would like to point out that the numerology of the fonts in "references" does not match the blue numerology marked next to each paragraph of the text, because this sample introduction is just a prototype, but if you press the blue button next to each paragraph you will be redirected to the correct fonts.⚠️ Wiki7Hell (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
This has the same plagiarism of the sources as your last effort. A WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE is still a copyright violation - you are clearly copying text from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545476/ for starters. MrOllie (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
Thank you for clarifying where I went wrong, I will improve my edition to make it even better and without plagiarism or inaccuracies. Wiki7Hell (talk) 22:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
Ok, I've now completely reworded "font 3" according to the rule:
WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE
I've also reworked "font 1", to make editing even more concise with the rules:
- WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE
- WP:COPYVIO
- WP:OR
- WP:RS
- WP:COPYVIO
- WP:CONSENSUS
Here is the updated and revised edition:
Adolescence (from the Latin adulescere: to grow) G. Stanley Hall, in his pioneering work on adolescence, described this phase as a period of "storm and stress", situated between childhood and adulthood, and defined it as occurring between the ages of 14 and 24. The International Association for Adolescent Health (IAAH) broadened this definition, considering adolescence to be a multifaceted phase between the ages of 10 and 24 that encompasses the transition from childhood to adulthood, involving physical growth, sexual, cognitive, social and emotional development.
Adolescence is a phase of great transformation and adaptation, in which young people develop the ability to deal with challenges and build their own path. The experiences of childhood, although important, do not completely define the adolescent's future, as this phase offers countless opportunities for learning, growth and resilience.
The teenage years between the ages of 10 and 24 are years of discovery and identity building. Neuroscientist Sarah-Jayne Blakemore points out: "That in adolescence our sense of self undergoes profound development as we try to establish ourselves in the outside world."
Sources: Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
That looks like you ran the same text through ChatGPT or similar. MrOllie (talk) 23:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't need to use GPT Chat or anything similar in my edits, but thanks anyway for finding my edit so good, and comparing it with GPT Chat. I'm 46 years old and I've always been curious to learn about human development and since then I've been striving to understand the stages of life especially human development from childhood, adolescence and youth. I understand your concerns about the WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE rules and I assure you that I have dedicated myself to reading the sources carefully and rewriting them in my own words, trying to follow the Misplaced Pages rules and collaborating with the community. I would like to point out that I am still learning how to edit on Misplaced Pages and that I may have made some mistakes, but because you were polite and willing to help me, I was able to fix the flaws in my editing as best I could. Could you point me to the specific passages that still have WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE problems or some other kind of contravention of Misplaced Pages rules? I would like to better understand how I can improve my text and avoid these problems in the future. Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
It looks like ChatGPT is not 'Good'. ChatGPT adds a lot of improper intensifiers and generally cannot write in an encyclopedic tone. Your text shows the same issues. MrOllie (talk) 00:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Also, as discussed, trying to rewrite the lead section like this is not a good way to proceed, as you've previously been told a couple of times. MrOllie (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
And what are the improper intensifiers you mention?
Sorry, but you seem to be looking for something impossible that is beyond any kind of editing. If my edit is within the rules mentioned:
- WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE
- WP:COPYVIO
- WP:OR
- WP:RS
- WP:COPYVIEW
- WP:CONSENSUS
So stop making problems that don't exist.
I feel like I'm on Master Chef 😂 lol Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
You have not actually addressed any of the problems that have been pointed out. I suggest you move on to something else - Posting the same thing over and over with slight variations isn't getting anywhere. MrOllie (talk) 00:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@OhNoitsJamie
Take a look at my article and let me know how it turned out and what I could improve. Wiki7Hell (talk) 18:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@OhNoitsJamie Wiki7Hell (talk) 18:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
MrOllie, I followed all the Misplaced Pages rules you mentioned:
- WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE
- WP:COPYVIO
- WP:OR
- WP:RS
- WP:COPYVIEW
- WP:CONSENSUS
I've improved my edit as much as I can, but you're still disdaining my edit, even without having a reason to do so as if the previous edit had been created by a super human endowed with so much wisdom and intelligence that no one can compare to him, even if he tries his hardest and complies with all Misplaced Pages standards. I'm not trying to pick fights about editing, nor am I trying to show myself to be superior or more intelligent than anyone else, because I believe that life is like a learning book where we learn and improve ourselves every day. I just want to collaborate with Misplaced Pages and update a source that hasn't been updated in years. Besides, you are doubting scientific sources based on empirical evidence, just to deny that my edit is published on Misplaced Pages and to support your point of view. Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
The existing version contains good, recent scientific sources, which are higher quality than the ones you are attempting to cite (as defined by WP:RS). It also does not have the obvious violations pointed out to you several times which remain unaddressed by your minor grammatical tweaks. Your changes are not an improvement to the article, thus we should remain with the current version. Making personal attacks on me will not change that. MrOllie (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
Ok, MrOllie, this is not a personal attack on you if that's what you think. Those sources are scientific papers, including government sources, and not inaccurate sources containing false information as you say, but if that's your concern I can rewrite my edit using only government articles. No problem! Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
I'm only in this conflict because my edits have been blocked by you several times and this is disappointing, because that's wasted research and editing time. Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
if that's your concern I can rewrite my edit using only government articles That's not my concern, I never said that, and no one is asking you to do that. I'm only in this conflict because my edits have been blocked by you several times I've reverted you exactly once on this article. As I've mentioned before, I am not the only person who has had issues with your edits. because that's wasted research and editing time No one asked you to do that either. MrOllie (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
"Sorry, but I wasn't just referring to this article, but to several others. I had another account that got banned out of nowhere and every edit I made was reverted by you @MrOllie or @Ohnoitsjamie, and I almost lost my current account just because of one edit. I know you're doing your job as an admin and that you weren't the only one who reverted my edits and banned my account, and you were the only one who was kind, polite and willing to help me and I deeply appreciate that. Anyway, I recreated my edit, and so that it's not a waste of time to post it and lose it again, here's my updated version, I ask that you review it if it's within Misplaced Pages's rules before I post it."
Adolescence (from the Latin adulescere, meaning to grow) is a transitional period between childhood and adulthood marked by significant biological, cognitive, and psychosocial changes. Several organizations, such as the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) and the Society for Adolescent Health Medicine (SAHM), define adolescence as the period from ages 10 to 24. In contrast, the Mass Cultural Council, aligning with Erik Erikson's work on the stages of psychosocial development, defines it as the period from ages 12 to 23. This broader definition highlights the importance of adolescent development for health and well-being throughout the lifespan, and recognizes that this period provides significant changes and opportunities for self-discovery, social bonding, and identity exploration. Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
I had another account that got banned out of nowhere Block evasion is itself a blockable offense, it was not 'out of nowhere'. and I almost lost my current account just because of one edit. That is not accurate. You have consistently made problem edits across a range of articles. If you get blocked indefinately, it will be because of this pattern of edits, not one edit. I ask that you review it if it's within Misplaced Pages's rules before I post it. Do not post it. Instead, you should drop the stick and move on - your proposals don't improve on what's already in the article. MrOllie (talk) 23:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
I've spent enough time on this for now. I probably won't respond so often any more. Please do not interpret silence as support for your changes. MrOllie (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@MrOllie
I made a series of revisions to my edit, and even presented it to some administrators in a discussion forum, and they all said that at least now my edit complies with Misplaced Pages's rules. I think you didn't like the extended view of adolescence, which instead of being 10 to 19 years old, is 10 to 24 years old, which is in line with several scientific studies that empirically prove that human development continues until the mid-20s, including several organizations that have already adopted this updated and accurate view of adolescence. In any case, I appreciate your understanding and attention, and since I made every effort to create this edit and since it complies with Misplaced Pages's rules, I published it. Although you do not support it, I hope that somehow you will take my effort into consideration, and that at some point the traditional definition of adolescence from 10 to 19 years old will be replaced soon by the more recent definition of 10 to 24 years old, by the UN and its organizations until at least 2030. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
and even presented it to some administrators in a discussion forum Kindly provide a link to this. MrOllie (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Waste of time, even if I showed you the link, unfortunately you will continue to revert my edits, and you have already done so. I give up! I am wasting too much time on stupid things like this trying to edit something that does not add anything to me, if you want to continue with your edit, feel free. But unfortunately it is depressing to see something that should contain truthful, consistent information and free for everyone to edit, being controlled by false information such as saying that "adolescence lasts until the age of 30" and outdated information such as believing that the most correct view of adolescence is the one adopted by the WHO dating back to the 20th century and that the organization itself recognizes that its definition of adolescence is not perfect and is already inconsistent with the current reality of adolescents. As I said, I am a 46-year-old guy and I don't even know why I am trying to help a bunch of fools. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm very curious to see that link as well. In the meantime, since you are now blocked from directly editing Adolescence, please take the time to read about making edit requests. If you can propose an edit that is supported by reliable sources and doesn't involve removing existing well-sourced material without a good reason, we'll be happy to incorporate that into the article. OhNoitsJamie 00:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie
Wow! The guy who blocked me twice in a row just for editing on Misplaced Pages is now trying to reach a settlement? You are a terrible administrator, because you broke WP:DONTBITE, and you also committed "Filibustering" against me several times. You said that my edit was "Disruptive", which is not true, because I was not attacking anyone, but just collaborating and trying to update something that was already outdated. You were using Misplaced Pages's improper processes against me, perhaps just out of hatred, just to prove your vision point WP:GAME, this is also known as WP:POINT or "Abuse of Process". You were also using policies to discredit my edit as if it were false and misleading WP:AGF. Sure, I failed many times, but I tried to correct my editing errors and even so you imposed unnecessary errors on my WP:CIVIL edits. With your arguments refuting and reverting my edits and attempts at corrections, you have discriminated against me as a bad-faith WP:NPA editor. In any case, I am tired of editing articles that will be reverted by you. Your type of conduct is a disgrace to Misplaced Pages, but life is a learning experience where even great editors can act like newbies and even newbies can act like great editors. Wiki7Hell (talk) 12:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Personal Attacks ain't gonna get you anywhere. Babysharkboss2!! 14:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Babysharkboss2 Wiki7Hell (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
What? Babysharkboss2!! 14:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Babysharkboss2
Sorry, I was just writing that you were the ones who attacked me first, even though I made it clear from the beginning that I wasn't looking for edit wars, but just to collaborate on Misplaced Pages, and instead of politely talking to me, you called my edit "disturbing" as if my edit was something "horrible" or "criminal", and you also blocked my main account twice at the beginning, and banned many others, including "Wiki7HellSecondary". And you made me waste my time, creating and recreating edits in vain. You also broke a series of rules against me.
WP:DONTBITE
Filibustering
WP:GAME
WP:POINT
Abuse of Process
WP:AGF
WP:NPA
And you still want me to refrain from defending myself? Then please don't try to play the victim. Wiki7Hell (talk) 15:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I literally did not personally attack you. I actually invited you to not attack others. Babysharkboss2!! 15:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Babysharkboss2
I wasn't referring to you Babysharkboss2, but to Ohnoitsjamie who blocked my secondary account "Wiki7HellSecondary" and reverted all my edits, I understand that no one is obliged to like an edit or a point of view, but you should have just warned me before blocking my main account "Wiki7Hell". That's what really revolted me. Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
(outdent) I'm not trying to reach as "settlement." I'm repeating the same things I've been telling you, as clearly as possible. The partial block was necessary as you were ignoring that advice. OhNoitsJamie 13:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie
I understand, there is no possibility of an edit from my side since you will not agree with any point of view that I may put in my edit and will probably revert any edit that I may make, that is, you have created your own convictions and no one can change them regardless of whether my point of view is valid, you have probably already reached a consensus to renounce that point of view. WP:LISTEN In my opinion Misplaced Pages is controlled by the administrators and is not a free platform, nor does it need to be regardless of the sources added, even if the administrators' opinions are incorrect. Wiki7Hell (talk) 15:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
WP:DROPTHESTICK Babysharkboss2!! 15:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
You don't need to ping me anymore. I've already given you plenty of advice and suggestions, and you said here that you will not be editing the article anymore. OhNoitsJamie 16:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I think this is a WP:CIR, personally. With a slice of WP:NPA. Babysharkboss2!! 16:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Babysharkboss2@MrOllie@Ohnoitsjamie
The one who started this heated debate was Ohnoitsjamie, when he insulted my edit and blocked my account. You admins all get together to try to compete for something that I don't even know why. Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm not an admin. Babysharkboss2!! 16:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I thought about giving up, but now I won't. If you think I'm going to lose this one, you're wrong. WP:DROPTHESTICK Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I'd suggest adding WP:BATTLEGROUND to your list of links. OhNoitsJamie 16:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
But indeed Oh Night Jamie you are the one who started a feud instead of a civilized debate. My secondary account @Wiki7HellSecondary is permanently blocked. Because of you. Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie
In addition to blocking my secondary account, you stained my main account with 2 blocks and you still want to play the victim. Wiki7Hell (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
You registered a secondary account to evade the block on your first one. What did you think would happen? MrOllie (talk) 17:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://iaah.org/ Cite error: The named reference ":1"" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  2. ^ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352464218300221 Cite error: The named reference ":2"" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  3. ^ https://iaah.org/education-training-healthcare-providers/ Cite error: The named reference ":3"" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  4. https://massculturalcouncil.org/creative-youth-development/boston-youth-arts-evaluation-project/brief-history-of-adolescence-youth-development/#:~:text=Although%20the%20first%20use%20of,%26%20Steinberg%2C%202009%2C%20p

Add A Fact: "1.3 billion adolescents globally"

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There are 1.3 billion adolescents in the world today

The fact comes from the following source:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/adolescents/overview/


Additional comments from user: This insight is valuable, enabling the user to understand the proportion of the population represented by adolescents.

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