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			==Vladimir is wrong==
	Article says he was a slav, but it also states he was a relative of Haakon Sigurdsson ] (]) 16:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
			{{archive top\|Leaving this discussion open just encourages new IPs to post even though the section was started in 2022 and nothing new has been said since then.--] (]) 15:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)}}
			:Vladimir is WRONG. It is obvious.
			:Kyiv is called Kiev "by most historic books in English". But the heading of the article is Kyiv, not Kiev.
			:So the heading of the article must be changed to Volodymyr. ] (]) 20:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
			::As I understand, Kiev is transliteration of the Russian name, whereas Kyiv is transliteration of the Ukrainian version. The latter has become much more common in some sources in recent times, for obvious political reasons. ] (]) 05:41, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
			::You are absolutely right.The fact that Ukraine was colonized by Russia and purposely everything was spelled Russian way as part of mass Russification back then,doesn’t give a right to keep spelling the wrong way.Ukraine is it’s own county with its own language vs Russia back then Moskovia that took roots from Golden Horde and is a hybrid formation that formed its language mostly out of Ukraine and Belorussia has nothing to do with Kyivan Rus and it’s history,absolutely nothing.It’s very upsetting that so many people are not familiar with that part of the world and it’s history but yet have an opinion or wrote misleading articles. ] (]) 22:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::You are absolutely wrong. Ukraine was never colonized by Russia and the spelling was always Russian until 1991 lol.
			:::Just because Ukraine became independent and decided to falsify the spellings of all original names doesn't give anyone the tight o actually start calling them those new wrong names.
			:::Ukraine is a nation that was formed based on a culture that formed from Russians living under Polish occupation. Claiming it has nothing to do with Russia is beyond delusional. Ukraine literally has it's same roots in the Golden Horde.
			:::It is a hybrid of Russian and Polish and has nothing to do with medieval Russia and it's history.
			:::It’s very upsetting that so many people are not familiar with that part of the world and it’s history but yet have an opinion or wrote misleading articles. ] (]) 01:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::He is another "Russians = Mongols" Troll. It is actually crazy that your comments get removed for revisionism and not his lol ] (]) 11:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::Irishka. You know that the Russian Version for Kiev is closer to the original Name Києвъ than what you use for it? Also Nobody colonised the Ukraine. It was reunited by a Prince from Moscow, in an alternative History it could have been reunited by someone from Ryzan, Novgorod, Tver or even Chernigov. But Moscow was the Most succesful of the Rus princes in Real Life. ] (]) 08:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
			::WRONG. Kiev is still called Kiev in every serious work of history as it is the original name and not the modern Ukrainian version.
			::The Old East Slavic name is Владимиръ (Vladimir). ] (]) 01:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::Володимѣръ Volodymyr is the name of Volodymyr the Great Володимир Volodymyr is the name of Volodymyr Zelenskyy Владимир Vladimir is the name of Vladimir Putin ] (]) 17:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
			::You are trolling, right? This is no place for revisionist history:
			::Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10.
			::The old Slavic spelling is literally "Владимиръ". There are literal coins recovered from his reign spelling it that way.
			::Volodymyr is likely the pronounciation of the word in old east Slavic, but definetly not how it was written. ] (]) 11:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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			== "Questionable character" ==
	=="Settled on Orthodox Christianity"==

			"Shadowy figure" is what the original editor should have written ; I suspect a translation artifact. His additions at the time are in slightly unidiomatic English, possibly transparent to Ukrainian? (e.g., "he married … ''to'' a granddaughter"). At any rate, "questionable character" is a pejorative term for a person not quite honest; what is meant is "shadowy figure" vel sim., i.e., a person who may not have existed, or about whom very little is known, etc. ] (]) 13:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
	Given St Vladimir's conversion predated the ], is it not slightly anachronistic to say he chose Orthodox Christianity over "Roman Catholicism"? Would it not be more accurate - if it's indeed the case - to say that it was Byzantine, rather than Latin, missionaries who received him into the undivided Church? After all, had he not died in communion with Rome, he would not be honoured as a saint in the Catholic Church. ] (]) 14:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

			== Name of Volodymyr ==
	==Comments==

			Why he called in wiki Vladimir??? In old east Slavic he was called: Володимѣръ Свѧтославичь, Volodiměrъ Svętoslavičь
	I'd like you to note that emotional stress is not necessary for encyclopedian article. Most monarchs had to finish off their rivals, and we don't call them "bloody". According to your tactics, we should mention that William the Conqueror was a bastard, and so on.
			So we need to rename it into Volodimer, Volodymyr, or something like that. There's no "Vlad" in his real name. ] (]) 15:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
	Besides, Malusha was not a slave girl but a housekeeper at Olga's house (ключница).
	Уважаемый!
	у каждого явления существует две стороны. как у медали. вот, например, Малуша, с одной стороны, была рабыня, никто этого не отрицает, с другой, она стала ключницей, т.е. фактически была домоуправительницей - очень большим человеком в доме.
	можно писать и так и этак.
	меня интересует, почему Вы, человек из России, предпочитаете акцентировать внимание иностранцев на темной стороне российской истории?

			:Because he's a major figure in Russian history, and old spellings or Ukrainian conventions were, until lately, deemed unimportant? ] (]) 15:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
	How about we call him "Vladimir The Rapist"?
			::Excuse me,he has nothing to do with Russia.Russia hijacked Ukrainian history once again.The fact that Russians especially Putin with coming to power burned history books and rewrote everything to his liking doesn’t make Volodymyr the Great Russian figure.It’s wrong in every single level. ] (]) 22:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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			:::Nothing? You sure? So ruling a state literally called "Russia" is not enough of a connection?
			:::Ukraine once again is hijacking Russian history.
			:::The fact that Ukraine after it's independence burned history books and and rewrote everything to their liking doesn't make Vladimir the Great a Ukrainian figure. It is wrong on absolutely every single level ] (]) 00:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			:No, it must be Uladzimir to stop Russian and Ukrainian chauvinism. ] (]) 23:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
			::Those Ukrainian spellings are still deemed "unimportant" at this English wikipedia. It's what's used in English sources that matter. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)</small>
			:You are absolutely right.It seams that Russian wrote the original page and once again trying to hijack the history of Ukraine.He is sure Volodymyr and not Vladimir,it’s even shown the proper in old Slavic language as Volodymyr but yet another Russian is writing Russian way portraying him as Russian when in reality he has nothing to do with Moskovia who took its roots from the Golden Horde.Sad!!! ] (]) 22:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
			::So true. Now tell us a story about how ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea out with spoons. ] (]) 21:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Absolutely wrong. It seems a lot of Ukrainians can't accept proper history and are once again hijacking Russian history. He is definetly Vladimir and not Volodymyr. It's even shown in proper East Slavic as Vladimir but yet another Ukrainian is writing the Ukrainian modern way portraying him as Ukrainian when in reality he has nothing to do with Malorussia who took their roots from the Golden Horde. Sad!! ] (]) 00:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			:Old east Slavic is Владимиръ ] (]) 00:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

			== The Roman Catholic Church does not consider him as a saint. ==
	http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintv09.htm shows that his July 15 feast day is Roman Catholic, not only Eastern orthodox.
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	This is one of the worst yet. "As a heathen, he had several wives" WTF??? ]
	:Read on! As a heathen he put up statues and subdued other peoples. Evidently there's a causal link. ]

			The Latin rite of the Catholic Church does not consider Vladimir the great as a saint. Only the Eastern Ruthenian Catholic Churches consider him as a saint.
	Bad Heathens! Bad, bad heathens! ]
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	I wonder about the Yaroslav the Wise holding Novgorod 'in fief'. Is that term applicable (other than by analogy) to 10th c. Russia? I fear it's a fragment of Catholic Encyclopedia.]
	:Yep, there it was in the Catholic Encyclopedia. I'm going to cut the 'in fief'.]
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	and did you know that if you google kherson, 2 of the top 10 hits are marriage-agencies? sigh.
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	The tragedy is that I used to use the Catholic Encyclopedia: I've gone off it completely after being treated to HJ's selections. Agree on the "fief" twaddle - I just wasn't cutting enough. Slash and burn! ]
	:CE is still ok in parts -- but not as the only source. I have found an excellent online source...will send it to you if I can figure out how! ]

			https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15497a.htm ] (]) 16:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
	It was ] not ] and ] whose statues Vladimir erected.
	Though ] is a slavic analog of ].
	--] 23:40, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

			:That isn't stated anywhere in the source you linked, which is the Catholic Encyclopedia and has titled the article "St. Vladimir the Great", which would appear to contradict your claim.--] (]) 16:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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			::According to the last part of that article, "His feast is celebrated on 15 July in the Russian Orthodox and Greek "
	Another important thing: St. Vladimir was baptised in Chersonesos (in ], now in suburbs of ], founded by greeks in 422-421 BC). Since 16 c. AD that city was usually called Chersonesos of Tavria (Khersones Tavricheskiy, ] Херсонес Таврический ) or Kherson/Korsun'.
			::It contains no information about the Latin Church venerating him. ] (]) 07:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
	The city of ] the article linked to was founded in 1778 AD in memory of Chersonesos.<br>
	--] 00:10, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

			:::He's in the . ] (]) 18:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
	Image on this page listed as "Historic statue in Kiev, Ukraine, appears to be of St. Andrew, not Vladimir. (unsigned)
			:::Here’s two ]: and to supplement those websites. ] (]) 20:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
	:Anonymous, you are mistaken. That't the right statue. --] 15:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2024 ==
	== "Trydent" of Vladimir (Volodymer) and Co ==

			{{edit semi-protected\|Vladimir the Great\|answered=yes}}
	If you dont belive that members of the Ruriks family, pat. Svyatoslav, Volodymer and Yaroslav, had been using "trident"-like symbols as personal crests on coins and seals, you should look through e-net pages (even russian pages http://russianchange.narod.ru/ or http://geraldika.ru/ or http://www.gerb.bel.ru/pages/russia/retro.htm) about the early "heraldry" or Rus. The Rurikids used "trident" not because they were Ukrainian nationalists, but because it was their family symbol. Regards--] 14:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
			Well,this whole entire post is wrong and looks like it was written by someone with Russian origin as there is a lot of words spelled Russian way instead of Ukrainian,including the correct spelling of Volodymyr not Vladimir as well as spelling Kiev instead of correct way of Kyiv.Let me point it out thaf Kyivan Rus is now Ukraine not Russia,what year was Kyiv founded vs Moskovia.This is very insulting to every Ukrainian that people like you hijack their history. ] (]) 22:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
	:It is amusing to read such things, because it was me who wrote ] in February 2005 and uploaded real (not imaginary) trident-like symbols to this article. On the other hands, your images are factually incorrect, because exact attribution of symbols to one or another of Yaroslav's descendants is purely speculative. Even with seals, which normally bear an image of the ruler's patron saint and his name, attribution frequently presents insurmountable difficulties. What makes these images even less acceptable for an encyclopaedia, is that the symbols are clothed in the Ukranian heraldic colors, which had not been attested before the Galician period of Ukrainian history. In short, unlike the images in the article about Svyatopolk, the modernised interpretations which you uploaded are speculations with a nationalist background. Please read ]. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 09:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> Also see ] or take a peek at the archives of this talk page ] (]) 22:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
			:Again, the modern Ukrainian spelling is not the correct one. The correct spelling of Vladimir is not Volodymyr as well as incorrect spelling of Kiev as Kyiv. Let me point out that Kievan Rus is now Russia and not Ukraine, what were the first 2 capitals again? This is very insulting to every historian and Russian that people like you hijack their history. ] (]) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			]

			== Which language did he speak? ==
	I chose gold and blue colours for the crests of Volodymer not because they are the colours of Ukrainian flag but because these colors where probably used by Kievan princes, on the contrary to other princes and slavic states that used red and white (Polotsk, Poland, Bohemia...). Kings of France used blue and gold and Byzantium empereors used purpule and gold to separate themselves from "reddish" nobility. So, why the Kievan princes couldnt do the same?
	In fact, the colors of the crest are not so significant as the image. Crest, or proper to say emblem, has no colours, just a form. It is not a "coat of arm". If you do not like the combination of gold and blue, thats your right. But I see no need to cut off the image.
	Nobody, however, knows what were the "national" colours of Rus. If my images are speculation and should be deleted from this article, please delete also other images (statues etc.) because they are "speculative" images of Volodymer. If you want put the trident images from the Svatopolk article to Vladimir which you consider to be real, go on and do it. --] 07:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

			In order to be more properly encyclopedic, shouldn't we add which language Vladimir the Great spoke to this article? Was it ] or some Slavic language? ] (]) 01:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
	== The heading of the article ==

			:Old Ukraininian (Ruthenian) ] (]) 17:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
	This person has no more relation to the modern Russia, than Caesar to the modern Romania. Why the hell the Russian spelling has been used in the heading? Volodymyr would be much closer...
			::Wrong old east Slavic. ] (]) 08:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
	] 22:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Because this spelling is used in most English language books about this period of Rus. Per ]:
	::''If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works. This makes it easy to find, and easy to compare information with other sources. ''
	:Greetings, --] 23:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

			== Incorrect name on the page. ==
	The matter is historical justice, and the most commonly used versions are not always correct. They are also subject to change- no one uses now, for example, such names as Constantinople or Smyrna (Istanbul and Izmir instead), which once had also been the so called "commonly used versions"] 16:38, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

			Calling Kyivan prince ''Vladimir'' incorrect. In languages that were spoken at the time he was alive, he was never called like that. He was called Volodimer, Valdamarr etc, but not Vladimir. ] (]) 12:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
	==Badly written passage==
			:We are interested only in what he is called in English, not in medieval languages. ] (]) 17:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
			::So you're in favor of a falscificated name? ] (]) 20:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::We are in favor of English sources. ] (]) 20:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
			::::How typical! ] (]) 01:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
			::::Yeah, you're in favor of falscificated names. ] (]) 16:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::No but you are ] (]) 12:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			:"Medieval Latin Vladimirus, name of several saints in the Eastern Orthodox Church, from Old East Slavic Володимѣръ (Volodiměrŭ), Old Church Slavonic Владимѣръ (Vladiměrŭ), from Proto-Slavic *Voldiměrъ (which see for more) Compare Waldemar."
			:From the English Wiktionary entry for Vladimir. As you see he was called Vladimir in medieval Latin and Old Church Slavonic with the "Vlad" component. In other languages there is / was a "Vald" component. And in yet more languages there is the "Volod" component. Hell, some Latin variations even drop the V entirely and turn it into "Lodo" (see Lodomeria). Saying any of these variants is wrong because they weren't used historically is nonsense. As for why the "Vlad" component is chosen out of all historical examples, other users have repeatedly pointed it out: it's the most common name in English sources. Blaming Russia for that is stupid, btw, since it could very well be from Latin. Just because it's used in a language you hate doesn't mean it's wrong or bad or that everyone else has to conform to your wishes. ] (]) 21:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Yeah Waldemar is not Volodymyr.
			::The Old East Slavic name was Владимиръ (Vladimir).
			::Same in Old Church Slavonic, Proro-Slavic "Vladimer".
			::Source: Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10. ] (]) 12:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
			:Calling a Kievan Prince Volodymyr is incorrect. In languages that were spoken at the time he was alive, he was never called like that. He was called Vladimir, Valdamarr etc, but not Volodymyr.
			:Source: Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10. ] (]) 12:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024 ==
	I would have rewritten this passage, if I'd understood what it was saying. I don't have any books on this subject, so perhaps someone who does could clarify it:

			{{edit semi-protected\|Vladimir the Great\|answered=yes}}
	''In 987, ] and ] revolted against the Byzantine emperor ]. The latter, having double-crossed Sclerus, with whom both rebels briefly joined forces, but then bardas Phocas proclaimed himself emperor on ], ].''
			Please replace all instances of "Kiev" with "Kyiv" throughout the article to reflect the modern and correct spelling of the Ukrainian capital. This change aligns with Misplaced Pages's naming conventions and current usage standards. ] (]) 08:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			:That would be against consensus and sources. ] (]) 09:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Volodymyr ==
	I see that it is mentioned that in Old Slavic and Ukrainian his name was Volodymyr (or Volodimir), thus the main article name should say Volodymyr.

	He was never known as Vladimir, only by Russians after their appearance centuries later, as well as Bulgarian monks (Old Church Slavonic). Please fix. Thanks.
	:Well, he is called ''Vladimir'' by most historic books in English. This is what matters. --] 03:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
	::Notice on that the statue it says Volodymyr and not Vladimir. --] 18:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

	This being an English-language article, it's completely beside the point what Russians or Ukranians might call him. At the moment, English-speakers use "Vladimir," sorry. One day, we might wake up to Ukranian usage and distinguish Vladimir from Volodymyr, but Misplaced Pages is hardly the place to force the issue. Anyway, the article lists the name in several languages, so that if someone takes issue with the way English speakers spell it, the more accurate Ukranian spelling is available to those who want to know. ] <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:It does not matter much contemporary Ukrainian spell of his name, but it matters the most his original prononciation to which the Ukrainian spel is the closest.--Hrystiv 03:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	I'm against it being renamed Volodymyr, but if it is the older form. Then it should be mentioned in the intro. The Grand Duchy Kiev did include present day Ukraine as well as Russia.--] (]) 20:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

	Article should be renamed to Volodymyr indeed. Unfortunately, during the Soviet era Russians rewrote a lot of Ukrainian history so that to identify the nation with Russians and to diminish any historical significance of Ukrainians at all. However, this is a big mistake (of course gladly accepted by Russians) and, unfortunately, thoughtlessly adopted by English speaking literature. Please fix that. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	It should remain as it is. While you may be correct that Soviet historians may have rewritten some common pre-revolutionary Russian history - which included Ukraine as the point of origin of what became the Russia Empire - in history books prior to the 1917 revolution the name was Vladimir the Great. However, if you wish to return to old Slavonic - akin to today's Old Church Slavonic - in which the Chronicles were written then you will encounter Volodimir. That name could used if the entire English language Wiki would revert to English as it was used in the times of Chaucer. I don't think that will happen, so Volodimir shouldn't occur either.] (]) 03:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

	It is not a matter of how Russians or Ukrainians call him, it is a matter of historical accuracy, since his original name in Old Slavonic language is Volodymyr and not Vladimir. Concerning the English books that refer as Vladimir, they simply translated it from Russian during the times of Russian Empire and/or later during the USSR. Russians simply russified his name, and in my opinion, all language should refer to the original name and not the way he is called in Russia.
	: The English name is provided in the Encyclopedia Britannica (linked in the article). You'll need to rewrite a lot of English history books to change that. --] (]) 19:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

	== Name ==

	The sentence "Volodymyr Svyatoslavych the Great, often mistakenly spelled Vladimir" is incorrect as "Volodymyr" being a modern Ukrainian spelling is no more correct than "Vladimir" (modern Russian spelling). The old East Slavic was either "Володимеръ"(according to the Hypatian codex) or "Володимѣръ"(Vasmer). Note the different vowels in the two last syllables. The reason of this is that the root "mer" derives from the gothic "-mērs"("great") <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Ah, didn't notice this, thanks - that were edits by an anonymous Ukrainian nationalist (note the typical Kiev to Kyiv change). Reverted. --] (]) 13:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
	::But did you notice that the preceding statement was by an anonymous Russian nationalist (check the whois, and this is the only contribution, even left unsigned)? ] (]) 10:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Indeed, the IP is Russian, but how did you determine that this person is a nationalist? --] (]) 23:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

	::::Hello, the same way that you had determined that the previous change had been made by a Ukrainian nationalist. Thanks, ] (]) 09:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

	:::::While changing "Kiev" to "Kyiv" arbitrarily is a good indication of an Ukrainian nationalist at work (because the article's name is currently ], despite the dogged, incessant attempts by the nationalists to rename it for ''six freaking years''), a reversion of this is not an indication of anything, other than, perhaps, due vigilance (I failed to notice the change, for instance). --] (]) 11:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Excuse me? So what you're saying is that you have no arguments here. Do you have any others? Thanks, ] (]) 09:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::: Er, what? --] (]) 13:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::::"while changing "Kiev" to "Kyiv" arbitrarily is a good indication of a Ukrainian nationalist at work". That's what. Thanks, ] (]) 09:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::::Ah. Well, everyone I saw going about doing this in Misplaced Pages articles, where the name "Kiev" is entirely noncontroversial (pre-1991) has invariably turned out to be one. Here it's even more obvious, due to the "often mistakenly spelled" thingy. Compare - "Moskva, often mistakenly spelled as Moscow, is the capital of Russia..." However, this branch of the discussion is entirely irrelevant to the article. If you find my original statement offensive, just say so and I will delete it. --] (]) 11:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Fairness. "Moscow" is ''NOT'' misspelling "Moskva". It is an ancient form of this word. Moscow (Russ. Москы or Московь) really was in 3rd declination, that is - with zero-ending nominative. Later it changed to 1st declination. The 3rd declination is weak, it has 3 forms only (Nom.&Acc. Московь - Gen.&Dat.&Prep. Москви - Instr. Московью), the 1st is more expressive (Nom. Москва - Gen. Москвы - Dat. Москве - Acc. Москву - Instr. Москвой), so this is normal phenomenon in Russian (compare Букы -> буква). The English language has ''no declination'' at all, and ''THAT'S WHY'' there is absolutely no reason to add to traditional naked stem "Moscow" any case ending "Mosk'v-a". Why the last letter is W instead of V is more interesting question. Probably it is an Ukrainian nationalists' fault :) --] (]) 12:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::Well, everyone I saw going and changing it back has been one, too. ] (]) 08:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::::::I see. Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. --] (]) 08:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

	No gentlemen, Volodymyr is just and simply the Ukrainian spelling of Vladimir. The Old Russian would be Volodimer, not the Ukrainian Volodymyr. But, at the risk of being impolite, the point is that in world history this person is widely known as Vladimir, in spite of preferences of those who want to artificially purify Ukrainain history of anything Russian. Except for the Ukrainian WP article, in all other languages he is traditionally called Vladimir, whether some like this or not. So let's adher to what is already established by tradition, meaning we call this person Vladimir. Changing Vladimir into Volodimer or even Volodymyr looks highly artificial. Misplaced Pages should adher to what is widely accepted in world history. I am not Russian and do not intend to hurt any nationalistic/chauvistic sentiments. ] (]) 15:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

	Hello, Vasilij, you seem to be making lots of wonderful statements like "just and simply", "widely known", and "accepted in world history". Yes, for a very long time, there were very many concerted efforts - first by the Russian empire, and then by the USSR - to convince the world of lots of things. You seem to have bought into it: for example, what does "artificially purify Ukrainian history of anything Russian" mean? Personally, I think it's the other way around - Russian history needs to get proud of Russian accomplishments, not Ukrainian ones.
	Now, back to this article, why do you think "Vladimir" should be used in the name of this article? Please don't say "widely accepted in world history" or "established by tradition". Real arguments, please. Thanks, ] (]) 10:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
	:Actually, that's the only argument there needs to be - he is known in the West under that specific name (same as "Moscow" and not "Moskva"). In Google Books, for example, "" yields 668 hits, whereas "" - 23 and "" - only 5. --] (]) 10:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
	:Actually, arguments like "he is known in the west" do not hold any water, and google results are not really reliable at all, as per the WP MoS. Volodymyr is known around the Anglosphere by many names, with modern literature frequenting Volodymyr more. Thanks, ] (]) 20:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
	::Curious, you say that the "he is known in the West" argument "holds no water" and then use it immediately in support of your own POV. However, the support for "Vladimir" has been definitely demonstrated (a 660 vs 28 relation leaves no ambiguity), thus refuting your own argument you failed to substantiate in any way. I will restore the original form now. Please refrain from further changes to the name until you provide a definite preference for "Volodymir" in the English language literature. --] (]) 21:22, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Hello, it's sad that as soon an an opposing opinion is presented, it is immediately labeled a POV. Illythr, are you actually familliar with the WP rules of transliteration, and if so, why do you rely so much on Google? You should know that google is not in any way reliable when discussing what is common in English. To demonstrate, the first hit on Google which does not include Misplaced Pages claims that "Vladimir the Great ... grand duke of Kieff and Russia". The "source" still spells Kyiv as Kieff, which even Russians stopped doing a long time ago, and uses "Rus" and "Russia" interchangeably, which everybody but Russians stopped doing a long time ago.
	:::Now, the first hit on "Volodymyr the Great" in google books brings us to the Encyclopedia of Ukraine, the second to a study on religion, and the third to a book called "The Ukrainians - an unexpected nation".
	:::Please feel free to actually look at the results, not just count them, as the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style (that's what MoS means, by the way) suggests. That's why I changed the name, and that's why I will change it back. Please do not revert it. Thanks, ] (]) 08:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::Well, you failed to present some sort of evidence to the claim that "Volodymyr" is used more widely in Western literature, whereas I demonstrated the evidence to the contrary. Hence, this claim is your opinion only. WP Transliteration rules apply only when an established name does not exist in English, which is clearly not the case here. In this case, the difference is too great anyway. What the Google search definitely shows is the lack of support for the name you portray as "common". a more refined search in Google Books, that addresses the problem you mentioned (post-1991 sources only, no "Kieff"). The difference stays in proportion (432 hits versus 4+12). Note that I do not endorse such Google searches as a universal means to solve naming problems. They are only applicable when they show the preference of one name over others by a margin large enough to leave no reasonable doubt, such as this case. There's no problem in mentioning the modern Ukrainian spelling (already done), but replacing the common name with it is a no go. --] (]) 11:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
	Vladimir is certainly the main name used in the west, with much wider usage than any Ukrainization. If you want to challenge this, please provide a major English-language textbook of medieval history not primarily devoted to Ukraine that uses Volodymyr or similar ] (]) 09:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
	:I think such a book can be found. This won't make it any less undue, considering hundreds of books that use "Vladimir", though. --] (]) 11:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
	::Hello, Illythr, have you actually ever seen any of the "hundreds of books" that use the Russian nationalistic chauvanistic "Vladimir"? Please remember that there is a difference between the internet and reality. Thanks, ] (]) 08:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Perhaps you might want to familiarize yourself with what ] actually is, to acquire an understanding about where its books come from. Your characteristic of Vladimir as a "Russian nationalistic chauvanistic" name warrants no further comments. --] (]) 23:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

	::::Hello,Illythr, please believe me when I say I know what a google search is (by the way, do you know what a google is - without googling it?).

	::::Here's the problem: for a long time, there has been a concerted effort to claim that "there has never been a Ukraine, there is no Ukraine, and there never will be a Ukraine". (just google the Emz Ukaz (please note the mistranslation of "Ukrainian" as "little russian")). Unfortunately, the pen is not mightier than the sword, and eventually scholars just say what has been said - and published, and printed, and repeated (another question: who said "a lie told often enough becomes the truth"?).

	::::Luckily, truth cannot be defeated, and what is right has come to be. Scholars are re-discovering the truth about history, and many books are being published in which Volodymyr is used.

	::::Here's a test for the google books engine: try "Volodymyr the Great", and look at the '''date''' of the first publication. Then, try "Vladimir the Great" and look at the date of the first entry. This is an important lesson in dealing with history (and also Misplaced Pages guidelines, as well) - don't just look at numbers, but look '''into''' the results. This will help you understand what '''is''' used, not what '''was''' used. Thanks, ] (]) 09:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::: Yes I know what a googol is. I asked if you understand what ''Google Books'' is, however.
	::::: The problem goes two ways - for a while, there was no Ukraine, but once it was established, a group of people, in a display of false patriotism, attempted to create its history way back from prehistoric times. While both Russian and Ukrainian nationalists love taking on each others' fairy tales, luckily, here on the English Misplaced Pages, we don't get to decide what is ] and which one of them is Truer than the others. We merely work ]. What this consensus is has been thoroughly demonstrated to you by means of respectable English encyclopaediae and numerous samples of English language books. If your version of "truth" differs from the widely accepted one, please work towards establishing it ''outside'' of Misplaced Pages first.
	::::: The method of examining just the first entry of the search results is a very bad one, as we don't know how the sorting mechanism works. A more reliable way to see what's ''is'' used is to simply look for that: limit the search to books printed within the, say, last 3 years (2006-2009). This, too results in a clear preference for Vladimir ( to ) --] (]) 11:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Hello, nice catch on the googol.
	:::::You seem to have understood the problem: for a long time, there were many people trying to say that there was no Ukraine. How can that be: There was no Ukraine? Saying that is as absurd as saying that there was no America before 1492. It has always been there - possibly not in the way that it is known today (yes, in Volodymyr's time, Kyiv was the capital to be in continental Europe). That is, however, very different from there being no Ukraine. There has always been Ukraine, and judging by what it has survived to today, there always will be Ukraine.
	:::::So, please no more statements like "in a display of false patriotism" or "taking on each other's fairy tales". Because they all started in Kyiv. Build a bridge - get over it.
	:::::Now, what exactly does "What this consensus is has been thoroughly demonstrated to you" mean"? You and ] are a consensus?
	:::::Please don't misinterpret my suggestion as a "method of examining just the first entry" - what it is is a show to you what used to be, and what is. People used to think that the earth was flat, it was spelled Vladimir, and there was no Ukraine. Now, we know better.
	:::::Let's take the next step together: look at the results, don't just count them: the first result for google books, published in English between 2006 and 2009 about Vladimir the great is about VLADIMIR PUTIN. It's called Russia's foreign policy something something.
	:::::However, when you search about Volodymyr the Great ( plus same search parameters), you get a history book about ANCIENT UKRAINE, called "Origins of the Slavic Nations".
	:::::So now you know, so please stop changing it back, and saying things like: "here on the English Misplaced Pages" because I don't know about any other Wikipedias. Hopefully, that has been enough demonstration for you, thanks, ] (]) 09:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC).
	::::::There was no United States of America before July 4, 1776, and certainly not before 1492. There were other "states" on that territory, sure, but any kind of continuity and links to the modern USA begin only with the arrival of European settlers, as any Native American will tell you.
	::::::As for consensus - The links to English language books and encyclopedia demonstrating the dominance of "Vladimir" are available on this page.
	::::::The search result you falsely present as mine lacks the quotation marks ( as opposed to ) and is therefore misleading and completely useless - the first entry is actually a mention of Peter the Great; it then goes on to list many other notable Vladimirs, including Putin, Nabokov and, yes, Vladimir I of Kiev (second hit, actually). In an amusing bit of irony, your search for ''volodymyr the great'' without the marks suffers from the same problem - there are apparently other notable Volodymyrs (including ) as well as that have the words "Volodymyr" and "great" in them. Please refer to to understand how such searches work.
	::::::What you did demonstrate, however, is that continuing this discussion is meaningless. As you choose to ignore the evidence presented to you there is nothing more I can add, other than a suggestion to ask an uninvolved administrator for a third opinion, or start an RFC, if you must. --] (]) 13:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::An uninvolved administrator would be a great idea. Thanks, ] (]) 09:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
	::::::::I have posted a notice at the ]. --] (]) 14:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

	:Hello, Alex, good to talk to you again. Franky, I'm baffled by your statement: "please provide a major English-language textbook of medieval history not primarily devoted to Ukraine". What exactly do you mean? What is "major"? What is "primarily"? Would you like a textbook at a primary or a post-secondary level? Why is an online encyclopedia not good enough, if it gets the hits (google: "Volodymyr the Great" gets the Encylopedia of Ukraine first, and "Vladimir the Great" gets Misplaced Pages first, the outdated Advent page (see Kieff) second, and the Encyclopedia of Ukraine third)?

	:This discussion nothing to do with textbooks, but rather with what people are using. Please let me know, thanks, ] (]) 08:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

	::Well lets check the usage.
	::*Encyclopaedia Britannica Vladimir I of Kiev (no mentioning of Volodymyr);
	*Columbia the main article is Vladimir I three names are used:Vladimir I (vlăd`əmĭr', Rus. vlədyē`mĭr), Volodymyr I (vŭl'ədyē`myĭr), or Saint Vladimir;
	::*Hutchinson: only name Vladimir I is used.
	*Now lets check the search engines:
	::**"Vladimir I of Kiev" excluding Misplaced Pages: Google - 5740 hits, books Scolar -312 hits
	::**"Volodymyr I of Kiev" Google - 152 hits, books - 31 hits; Scolar - 3 hits
	::**"Volodymyr I of Kyiv" Google 415 hits; books 5 hits; scolar - 4hits;
	::As demonstrated Vladimir is used ten times as often as Volodymyr in the web, books or academic publications. Out of three major English encyclopaedias all three use Vladimir as the main title and only one even mentions name Volodymyr or any other Ukrainization ] (]) 09:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

	:::Hello, how is any of this connected to "a major English-language textbook of medieval history", as you suggested, or what people are using? Thanks, ] (]) 09:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

	::::Hello, also, let's refrain from statements like "russianization" or "Ukrainianization" of terms. The name is what it is. Now, perhaps you would like to discuss the entire section of the WP MoS that says "Look at the results, don't just count them"? Thanks, ] (]) 08:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

	Article should be renamed to Volodymyr indeed. Unfortunately, during the Soviet era Russians rewrote a lot of Ukrainian history so that to identify the nation with Russians and to diminish any historical significance of Ukrainians at all. However, this is a big mistake (of course gladly accepted by Russians) and, unfortunately, thoughtlessly adopted by English speaking literature. Please fix that. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Vladimir the Great - "Leader of Ukraine" ?? ==
	One of the photographs is labelled as above. The inscription is incorrect since in Vladimir's time there was no such locale or locations known as "Ukraine'. I don't think that photos that reflect incorrect historical fact have a place in Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 14:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
	* The most ridiculous part of this dispute is that Vladimir was prince of Novgorod (part of modern Russia) who ''conquered'' Kiev (part of modern Ukraine) from its legitimate prince. And ethnically both his parents were Varangian (Nordic), the original Rus. If modern borders and nations are forced upon medieval history, he was ''Russian conqueror of Ukraine''. ] (]) 20:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

	== If there are no other objections ... I suggest a move ==

	If there are no other objections, I move that "Vladimir" be changed to "Volodymyr" in this article. Thanks, ] (]) 08:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
	: Alex has demonstrated above the pointlessness of attempting to change from the common English name. But feel free to open a request to move anyway - I guess it will provide a better sense of closure to this discussion. --] (]) 13:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
	::Name as it is being Vladimir is ridiculously incorrect. It should be renamed closer to knyaz's original written name spell.--Hrystiv 04:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::: You mean Володимеръ Святославичь? ]. --] (]) 04:29, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
	::::I mean leaving it as Vladimir is just ridiculous.It has to be renamed close to its original written form.--Hrystiv 16:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::::: Using the most common name for the article is policy. That Vladimir is indeed the most commonly used name in English has been thoroughly demonstrated in the previous section. But feel free to open a request for move anyway. --] (]) 21:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

	== Edits to pictures - which is a better representation of him? ==

	Hi

	The picture war that seems to have started needs to stop.

	The picture was changed from the coin to one of a statue in May . Since no objections have been raised it seems asthough, and for me also, the edit was not objected to.

	It may be argued that the picture that was there until June was better as an image of him but I think that the latest reversion taking it back to the gold coin is not a satisfactory image considering that it appears to be claimed as an improvement we can compare them and see which best shows a representation of him

	(May to June) ] and this (June to July)] compared to this ]

	] (]) 19:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

	:The coin image is definitely the weakest image. Both statues have much richer, more useful, content. ] (]) 15:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
	:: I prefer the coin image, it's more authentic than ] mythology. --]<sup>]</sup> 06:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
	:It is completely irrelevant which image is nicer looking. Historic image should be at the top of the list ALWAYS. If you want to put the other image - please do but lower on the page as a modern interpretation. ] (]) 20:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
	Throughout Misplaced Pages, there are hundreds (or thousands) of articles about historical personalities where later artistic depiction (such as monuments) serve as illustration. Due to its rather primitive design the Vladimir identification value of this coin image is rather low. Compare to the article ] where an Albrecht Durer painting is preferred to a contemporary coin (although is better made than the Vladimir's one). No double standards! '''Strongly keep''' the well-known and prominent artist's work. --] (]) 11:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

	== Request Move ==
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	The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. ] (]) 00:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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	] → ] — Most common name. His son is already at ] and there is also ]. --] (]) 22:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per nom. It is also worth moving ] to just ]. ] ] 22:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''. Google hits give slightly more sway to "Vladimir the Great" than "Vladimir I of Kiev." No objections with moving Yaroslav as GreyHood suggested above either.. —] (]) 22:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''. per above. --]]] 00:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' Let's have some evidence that ''Vladimir the Great'' is ] as such, in English; this suggests that he isn't. ] <small>]</small> 00:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
	*:'''Comment''' Thanks for informing about such a tool. Well I tweaked it and the show otherwise. Also if you do compare it to Vladimir I and Vladimir the Great; this shows the oldest form mentioned was Vladimir the Great. --] (]) 02:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
	*::Whereas these Google searches give different results.
	:::"vladimir the great" -wikipedia = About 131,000 results
	:::"volodymyr the great" -wikipedia = About 65,800 results
	:::"vladimir I of Kiev" -wikipedia = About 63,400 results
	:::"volodymyr I of Kiev" -wikipedia = About 266 results
	:::It should perhaps be noted that EB gives it as .
	:::For added confusion is the search, "Saint Vladimir" -wikipedia = About 206,000 results ] (]) 03:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
	*'''Potentally support''' but whatever is done, the present form should be retained as a redirect, as it is a likely search term. ] (]) 15:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

	=== Please rename article to Volodymyr the Great. ===

	Please rename article to Volodymyr the Great.
	] (]) 15:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
	:Unfortunately that is not the most common used name in English language sources as witnessed by a Google books search. On enWiki we must strive to use the ] established in English language usage and that is "Vladimir the Great," which is why there is a move request to it right now. —] (]) 16:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

	::I don't think it is a good idea to use most common name and rely on google search.
	::Four of five people living on the Earth are Chinese but this doesn't mean I am Chinese.
	::Most people smoke, drink alcohol, use drugs but this doesn't mean it is good or it is correct.
	::We should search the truth and find correct spelling and even if it is commonly used misspelling we should find the truth and give it to another people.
	::Most people rely to Google and Misplaced Pages so what we will write in Wikipidia that will be most used in Google books and so on and so forth.
	::We shouldn't rely on present google search results.
	::] (]) 06:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::It not a matter of truth. Because both names are truth. Vladimir and Volodymyr are form of his true name (being the uaed by his comtemporaries and probably himself) Володимѣръ Свѧтославичь (Old East Slavic) and Valdamarr Sveinaldsson (Old Norse). It just happens that Vladimir is more prevalent as shown by google search. The one more prevalent population wise world wide would probably be "弗拉基米尔".--] (]) 20:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' -- The normal English translitation is Vladimir, whatever may be theoretically correct. ] (]) 15:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
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	This is funny and even ridiculous. How can you claim the translation of any name can be correct? You can't translate names. Name is what it is and not how it is perceived by most people. I strongly agree with Patlatus: "We should search the truth and find correct spelling and even if it is commonly used misspelling we should find the truth and give it to another people". <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	*'''Oppose''' -- It should remain as it is. While you may be correct that Soviet historians may have rewritten some common pre-revolutionary Russian history - which included Ukraine as the point of origin of what became the Russia Empire - in history books prior to the 1917 revolution the name was Vladimir the Great. However, if you wish to return to old Slavonic - akin to today's Old Church Slavonic - in which the Chronicles were written then you will encounter Volodimir. That name could used if the entire English language Wiki would revert to English as it was used in the times of Chaucer. I don't think that will happen, so Volodimir shouldn't occur either.] (]) 03:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
	::You can't vote on a closed discussion. You got to start a new request.--] (]) 10:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

	So i am new here...I was wondering how to find something's citation....I wanted to edit this bit:“In 983, after another of his military successes, Prince Vladimir and his army thought it necessary to sacrifice human lives to the gods. A lot was cast and it fell on a youth, Ioann by name, the son of a Christian, Fyodor. His father stood firmly against his son being sacrificed to the idols. More than that, he tried to show the pagans the futility of their faith: ‘Your gods are just plain wood: it is here now but it may rot into oblivion tomorrow; your gods neither eat, nor drink, nor talk and are made by human hand from wood; whereas there is only one God — He is worshiped by Greeks and He created heaven and earth; and your gods? They have created nothing, for they have been created themselves; never will I give my son to the devils!’”
	I just thought the writing could be improved however I wanted to read the source material. I hope this is the right place for this and thanks alot. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Map includes copyvio ==

	Hi

	I removed the map as it has copyvio text within it. The text is from the 's pages - as did others that SeikioEN produced. I did discuss this with him a long time ago, and the matter was supposedly resolved. It is possible this one was missed, but I am checking all his uploads now to ensure the matter is completely resolved.

	With the other one he fixed it and uploaded a new version, hopefully that is what will happen with this one. ] (]) 22:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

	“In 983, after another of his military successes, Prince Volodymyr and his army thought it necessary to sacrifice human lives to the gods. A lot was cast and it fell on a youth, Ioann by name, the son of a Christian, Fyodor. His father stood firmly against his son being sacrificed to the idols. More than that, he tried to show the pagans the futility of their faith: ‘Your gods are just plain wood: it is here now but it may rot into oblivion tomorrow; your gods neither eat, nor drink, nor talk and are made by human hand from wood; whereas there is only one God — He is worshiped by Greeks and He created heaven and earth; and your gods? They have created nothing, for they have been created themselves; never will I give my son to the devils!’”

	This note says it needs a citation. It is from the Russian Primary Chronicle. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Interesting article about him.... ==

	on the . Not sure how to use it (now). — ''']''' • ] 15:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

	== Infobox image ==

	I have twice () removed imaginary depictions of the subject from some 19th-century book illustrations from the infobox. For my rationale, please see ] (and no, I'm not citing that as an authoritative guideline; it's just an essay with my personal opinion, but it explains why I think such illustrations are a bad idea.) ] ] 11:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

	=="Sveinaldsson"==
	What is the source for the Old Norse patronymic?
	It is eminently plausible that the patronymic might have been rendered in this way on some Old Norse source, but we will have to cite that.
	Google books comes up empty. The name was introduced ,
	so the 2015 blog post is clearly just copying off Misplaced Pages.
	The addition was for being dubious,
	and added back with a google books link to a "". This dodgy "citation" prevented the addition from being reverted again, and apparently it is still here even though the "source" has disappeared.
	The user responsible for the addition was ], who was later blocked as an abusive sock puppet.
	All in all, this doesn't bode well for the "Sveinaldsson" thing, and I am removing it.
	That ''Valdamarr'' was used as the Old Norse equivalent of ''Vladimir'' is verifiably true, but I am not aware of any instance of ''Valdamarr'' being actually used in reference to Vladimir the Great (as would be implied by giving ''Valdamarr'' as a form of his name). If there is a reference for that, great, let's see it.

	''Valdamarr'' is extremely rare in Old Norse, it is used once in Heimskringla of ], whose name is given as ''Valdamarr Jarisleifsson''.
	If it makes anyone happy, it is perfectly fair to add ''Valdamarr Jarisleifsson'' as an "Old Norse name" of Vladimir Yaroslavich as long as the proper passage in Heimskringla is cited (note that Vladimir Yaroslavich has a direct connection to Scandinavia, being ], so who knows, his mother might actually have called him ''Valdamarr''. This doesn't translate to ''Valdamarr'' being "the Old Norse name of Vladimir the Great"). --] <small>]</small> 09:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
	:I found that Vladimir the Great is in fact referred to as ''Valdamarr gamli'' in '']''. So the ''Valdamarr'' part is fine (with proper citation, would have saved me some time), just the "Sveinaldsson" is made up. --] <small>]</small> 10:34, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

	== Comment ==

	In the Christian reign section, what if we added a source or expanded on the claim that Vladimir lived in relative peace with his neighbors? While that may be historically accurate, I think it would be nice to have a link where we could read more about what exactly made it peaceful during his later years. ] (]) 23:45, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

	== Some Facts require references or citations ==

	The article overall is supported well however, there are a handful of facts mentioned in the article that have no support. A good example is under the "Years of pagan rule" section in the second paragraph last sentence where it says "He may have attempted to reform Slavic paganism by establishing the thunder-god, Perun, as a supreme deity." Sentences like this can receive support or be removed to further the reliability of the article.

	] (]) 13:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)OgBruceLee

	== Oleg of the Drevlyans? ==

	(which I've reverted as being ] +a dup wikilink for an article on 'Oleg Svyatoslavich') has alerted me to the ] for the entry on said prince. There are a few English language texts attesting to "Oleg of Drelinia", but it's inappropriate as an article title. The article, itself, is unassessed and has only been added to WikiProject Belarus with absolutely no discussion on its talk page. It's off the radar, so I think it more appropriate to bring it up on a higher level article with more editors watching.

	I've never encountered uses of 'Oleg of Drelinia' or 'Oleg of the Drevlyans' being used as a ] in English, Russian or Ukrainian. Titles such as "Vladimir the Great", "]", "]", etc. are well attested to from the period, or in later academia as common names. The two variants for 'Oleg Svyatoslavich' which have been used for the article, however, don't tally with COMMONNAME in any language, and that the ] would be 'Oleg Svyatoslavich' (to disambiguate him from 'Oleg of Novgorod'). It can certainly be noted that he became the Prince of the ] (using ] to support the assertion) within the article, but not breaching ] and creating a ] title. --] (]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

	== Coins. ==

	His coins are not important? I gave a link and it got deleted. --] (]) 19:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

	:I am skeptical of the informational value of images of coins to begin with, but a bare link in the text is especially inappropriate. ] (]) 19:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

	::{{ping\|Laszlo Panaflex}} His coins give his only lifetime image, to begin with. What do you propose? --] (]) 20:00, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

	== Anna the Grand daughter of Otto the Great? ==

	Anna was the daughter of Theophano and Romanos II. Theophano was the daughter of Greek commoner and Romanos was son of Constantine VII and Helena Lekapene. Where does Otto the Great come here? Otto's son Otto II did marry a Byzantine Princess Theophano but that's a different Theophano. Anna is not a grand daughter of Otto the Great <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== The rape of Rogneda ==
	''"Caution for adding Vladimir the Great, an article about a historical person who lived more than a thousand years ago, and is venerated as a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church and multiple other churches, to a Category:Russian rapists that is populated with modern-day Russian serial killers and rapists. If your judgement is that bad, you should stick to just making simple spelling corrections... - Tom \| Thomas.W talk"'' <small>(Copied from Maxaxax's talk page)</small>

	Before Vladimir became venerated as a saint, he had raped ]. I put Vladimir where he belongs. ], ] and a score of other kings belong to the same category, no matter how they are venerable or when they lived. Their victims perhaps do not deserve veneration but they deserve commemoration.--] (]) 21:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
	*{{ping\|Maxaxax}} For a person who lived more than a thousand years ago to be added to a category populated by ''modern-day'' Russian serial killers and rapists takes a bit more than a sentence in the 1911 edition of ''"Encyclopaedia Britannica"'' saying that Vladimir ''{{tq\|"... took Rogneda by force"}}'' (which is the only source for it). Especially since Vladimir the Great wasn't ] (a country and an ethnicity that didn't come into existence until half a millenium later...). - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 21:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

	He does appear to have been a rapist, let's leave the issue of his nationality to one side for the moment. Whether other figures should be added is moot, but does not invalidate this categorisation. ] (]) 17:56, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
	: You're basing this on the phrase "took by force" in the 1911 Britannica? Let's see what more modern historians say about the situation before we slap this category on a guy. It could mean "married without her father's consent", unfortunately. Unless modern historians call him something, I'm hesitant to slap a category on him based on a 100-year-old encyclopedia article's wording that needs interpretation. ] - ] 18:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

	How about Eva Levin's "Sex and Society in the World of the Orthodox Slavs, 900-1700"? ] (]) 00:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
	: I dug that reference up on google books, and it doesn’t call him a rapist. It says he forced her to become his concubine. Categories need to be defining. I’ll point out that “women in the Medieval Russian Family” by N.L. Pushkevra p. 31 in ‘’Russian Women: Accomodation, Resistance, Transformation’’ University Of California Press 1991 says the tale is “half-legendary”, so I’d want to see what academic biographers of Vladimir say about the episode before labeling him a rapist. By the way, it helps if you give a full citation...not just author and title. ] - ] 01:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
	::Levin also calls the account "highly fictionalized"; categories for actually existing persons should probably be confined to claims on which there is consensus they really happened. Is Godiva in Category:English nudists? Forcible marriage is not quite the same thing. ] <small>]</small> 01:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

	If he forced her to become his concubine, that does look like rape to me. ] (]) 01:58, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

	Also, I don't think there is a category "English nudists", but Godiva is in the category "Nudity and protest". ] (]) 02:02, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

	Re: same category as King David? David committed adultery with Bathsheba. But there is no evidence that he raped her. Power differential does not prove rape. Some women like high status men even today. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== A case for renaming the article to Volodymyr the Great ==

	With the current administration of Ukraine being what it is, it should be made clear now more than ever before the distinction between Volodymyr and Vladimir. No one in English refers to Zelensky as "Vladimir", so there should be no reason to do so here as well.


	Moreover, some may claim that history books write his name as "Vladimir", yet it begs the question as to where said historians got this information - it definitely wasn't from Ukrainians, the successors of Volodymyr and the Kyivan Rus', but from representatives of the powers that were, e.g. Russians and Russophiles.

	A similar situation to the one above is the English names for the countries of Georgia and Armenia - the only reason these countries have such names in English is because English-speakers were told that's what their names are by imperialist Russians, not actual Georgians in Georgia and Armenians from Armenia (A.k.a. Sakartvelans from Sakartvelo and Hayastanians from Hayastan).

	It's not a matter of historical revisionism, it's a matter of righting history's wrongs, and removing imperialist, xenophobic, dogwhistles and slurs like the ones on display here. Other countries are following suit with such matters as well, particularly when it comes to the name of Kyiv instead of its inaccurate Russian name, as demonstrated here:

	https://www.rferl.org/a/lithuania-moves-change-official-name-goeriga-sakartvelo-from-russian-name-gruzia/28759383.html


	To ignore these inaccuracies is to fall behind with the times, and is ultimately nothing more than giving in to POV-Synth and revanchism overall, thus defeating the purpose of Misplaced Pages as an up-to-date, accurate, neutral source of information.



	Thank you. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:00, 5 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:The misleading statement is already at the beginning: ... "from Ukrainians, the successors of Vladimir and Kievan Rus". Not only Ukrainians are the successors of Kievan Rus and Vladimir (this statement is a vivid example of blatant Ukrainian propaganda), but also Russia and Belarus. Therefore, the parallel between Vladimir the Great and Ukrainian Volodymyr Zelensky is incorrect.--] (]) 20:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
	: We are not here to ]... --] (]) 12:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
	:Or to pander to requests from sock accounts.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 15:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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	== Relation to Agatha (wife of Edward the Exile) ==
	No support of this theory is given in Agatha's article and she appears to have been born a decade after Vald died. ] (]) 15:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

	== Removing Russian and Ukrainian name ==

	Hi, I've noticed that yesterday user removed my about Russian and Ukrainian name. I've pointed that ] also has a Russian and Ukrainian name as an example. Today, Ukrainian version of the name was by a Kedr26], with this comment "i put the "language" in one coherent way", some Russians have this agenda on considering Ukrainian and Belorussian is a dialect of Russian. What's your opinion on this?

	UPD: Just checked his edits, the guy starts edit wars, and he removes and rewrites Ukrainian history. Can his get checked? User on purpose removes all Ukrainian names and categories. Thanks.

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	:Please read ]. In English, the figure is commonly known as "Vladimir the Great", not "Volodymyr the Great". I also find it ironic you accuse others of pushing some agenda when in one of your in ], you changed "Olga" to "Olha" and claimed that she was Ukrainian in the edit summary. ] (]) 01:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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Vladimir is wrong

Leaving this discussion open just encourages new IPs to post even though the section was started in 2022 and nothing new has been said since then.--Ermenrich (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Vladimir is WRONG. It is obvious.

Kyiv is called Kiev "by most historic books in English". But the heading of the article is Kyiv, not Kiev.

So the heading of the article must be changed to Volodymyr. 92.253.212.115 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

As I understand, Kiev is transliteration of the Russian name, whereas Kyiv is transliteration of the Ukrainian version. The latter has become much more common in some sources in recent times, for obvious political reasons. Moribundum (talk) 05:41, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You are absolutely right.The fact that Ukraine was colonized by Russia and purposely everything was spelled Russian way as part of mass Russification back then,doesn’t give a right to keep spelling the wrong way.Ukraine is it’s own county with its own language vs Russia back then Moskovia that took roots from Golden Horde and is a hybrid formation that formed its language mostly out of Ukraine and Belorussia has nothing to do with Kyivan Rus and it’s history,absolutely nothing.It’s very upsetting that so many people are not familiar with that part of the world and it’s history but yet have an opinion or wrote misleading articles. Irishka1515 (talk) 22:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

You are absolutely wrong. Ukraine was never colonized by Russia and the spelling was always Russian until 1991 lol.

Just because Ukraine became independent and decided to falsify the spellings of all original names doesn't give anyone the tight o actually start calling them those new wrong names.

Ukraine is a nation that was formed based on a culture that formed from Russians living under Polish occupation. Claiming it has nothing to do with Russia is beyond delusional. Ukraine literally has it's same roots in the Golden Horde.

It is a hybrid of Russian and Polish and has nothing to do with medieval Russia and it's history.

It’s very upsetting that so many people are not familiar with that part of the world and it’s history but yet have an opinion or wrote misleading articles. 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 01:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

He is another "Russians = Mongols" Troll. It is actually crazy that your comments get removed for revisionism and not his lol RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 11:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Irishka. You know that the Russian Version for Kiev is closer to the original Name Києвъ than what you use for it? Also Nobody colonised the Ukraine. It was reunited by a Prince from Moscow, in an alternative History it could have been reunited by someone from Ryzan, Novgorod, Tver or even Chernigov. But Moscow was the Most succesful of the Rus princes in Real Life. 91.106.124.226 (talk) 08:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

WRONG. Kiev is still called Kiev in every serious work of history as it is the original name and not the modern Ukrainian version.

The Old East Slavic name is Владимиръ (Vladimir). 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Володимѣръ Volodymyr is the name of Volodymyr the Great Володимир Volodymyr is the name of Volodymyr Zelenskyy Владимир Vladimir is the name of Vladimir Putin Thekyrman (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

You are trolling, right? This is no place for revisionist history:

Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10.

The old Slavic spelling is literally "Владимиръ". There are literal coins recovered from his reign spelling it that way.

Volodymyr is likely the pronounciation of the word in old east Slavic, but definetly not how it was written. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 11:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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"Questionable character"

"Shadowy figure" is what the original editor should have written back in September 2008; I suspect a translation artifact. His additions at the time are in slightly unidiomatic English, possibly transparent to Ukrainian? (e.g., "he married … to a granddaughter"). At any rate, "questionable character" is a pejorative term for a person not quite honest; what is meant is "shadowy figure" vel sim., i.e., a person who may not have existed, or about whom very little is known, etc. Bill (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Name of Volodymyr

Why he called in wiki Vladimir??? In old east Slavic he was called: Володимѣръ Свѧтославичь, Volodiměrъ Svętoslavičь So we need to rename it into Volodimer, Volodymyr, or something like that. There's no "Vlad" in his real name. 91.199.245.2 (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Because he's a major figure in Russian history, and old spellings or Ukrainian conventions were, until lately, deemed unimportant? Svartalf (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me,he has nothing to do with Russia.Russia hijacked Ukrainian history once again.The fact that Russians especially Putin with coming to power burned history books and rewrote everything to his liking doesn’t make Volodymyr the Great Russian figure.It’s wrong in every single level. Irishka1515 (talk) 22:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Nothing? You sure? So ruling a state literally called "Russia" is not enough of a connection?

Ukraine once again is hijacking Russian history.

The fact that Ukraine after it's independence burned history books and and rewrote everything to their liking doesn't make Vladimir the Great a Ukrainian figure. It is wrong on absolutely every single level 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 00:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it must be Uladzimir to stop Russian and Ukrainian chauvinism. Mellk (talk) 23:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Those Ukrainian spellings are still deemed "unimportant" at this English wikipedia. It's what's used in English sources that matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyunck(click) (talk • contribs) 23:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

You are absolutely right.It seams that Russian wrote the original page and once again trying to hijack the history of Ukraine.He is sure Volodymyr and not Vladimir,it’s even shown the proper in old Slavic language as Volodymyr but yet another Russian is writing Russian way portraying him as Russian when in reality he has nothing to do with Moskovia who took its roots from the Golden Horde.Sad!!! Irishka1515 (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

So true. Now tell us a story about how ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea out with spoons. 62.12.83.152 (talk) 21:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely wrong. It seems a lot of Ukrainians can't accept proper history and are once again hijacking Russian history. He is definetly Vladimir and not Volodymyr. It's even shown in proper East Slavic as Vladimir but yet another Ukrainian is writing the Ukrainian modern way portraying him as Ukrainian when in reality he has nothing to do with Malorussia who took their roots from the Golden Horde. Sad!! 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Old east Slavic is Владимиръ 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:6BEE:5DC2:DCD6:F59 (talk) 00:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

The Roman Catholic Church does not consider him as a saint.

The Latin rite of the Catholic Church does not consider Vladimir the great as a saint. Only the Eastern Ruthenian Catholic Churches consider him as a saint.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15497a.htm EXANXC (talk) 16:16, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

That isn't stated anywhere in the source you linked, which is the Catholic Encyclopedia and has titled the article "St. Vladimir the Great", which would appear to contradict your claim.--Ermenrich (talk) 16:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

According to the last part of that article, "His feast is celebrated on 15 July in the Russian Orthodox and Ruthenian Greek Catholic calendars"

It contains no information about the Latin Church venerating him. EXANXC (talk) 07:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

He's in the Roman Martyrology under July 15. Srnec (talk) 18:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Here’s two reliable sources: I. and II. to supplement those websites. Raulois (talk) 20:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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Well,this whole entire post is wrong and looks like it was written by someone with Russian origin as there is a lot of words spelled Russian way instead of Ukrainian,including the correct spelling of Volodymyr not Vladimir as well as spelling Kiev instead of correct way of Kyiv.Let me point it out thaf Kyivan Rus is now Ukraine not Russia,what year was Kyiv founded vs Moskovia.This is very insulting to every Ukrainian that people like you hijack their history. Irishka1515 (talk) 22:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also see WP:COMMONNAME or take a peek at the archives of this talk page Cannolis (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Again, the modern Ukrainian spelling is not the correct one. The correct spelling of Vladimir is not Volodymyr as well as incorrect spelling of Kiev as Kyiv. Let me point out that Kievan Rus is now Russia and not Ukraine, what were the first 2 capitals again? This is very insulting to every historian and Russian that people like you hijack their history. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

91.106.124.226

Which language did he speak?

In order to be more properly encyclopedic, shouldn't we add which language Vladimir the Great spoke to this article? Was it Old Norse or some Slavic language? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Old Ukraininian (Ruthenian) Thekyrman (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Wrong old east Slavic. 91.106.124.226 (talk) 08:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect name on the page.

Calling Kyivan prince Vladimir incorrect. In languages that were spoken at the time he was alive, he was never called like that. He was called Volodimer, Valdamarr etc, but not Vladimir. Kyrylo Schwydkyj (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

We are interested only in what he is called in English, not in medieval languages. Dimadick (talk) 17:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

So you're in favor of a falscificated name? Kyrylo Schwydkyj (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

We are in favor of English sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

How typical! 64.35.203.197 (talk) 01:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, you're in favor of falscificated names. Kyrylo Schwydkyj (talk) 16:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

No but you are RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

"Medieval Latin Vladimirus, name of several saints in the Eastern Orthodox Church, from Old East Slavic Володимѣръ (Volodiměrŭ), Old Church Slavonic Владимѣръ (Vladiměrŭ), from Proto-Slavic *Voldiměrъ (which see for more) Compare Waldemar."

From the English Wiktionary entry for Vladimir. As you see he was called Vladimir in medieval Latin and Old Church Slavonic with the "Vlad" component. In other languages there is / was a "Vald" component. And in yet more languages there is the "Volod" component. Hell, some Latin variations even drop the V entirely and turn it into "Lodo" (see Lodomeria). Saying any of these variants is wrong because they weren't used historically is nonsense. As for why the "Vlad" component is chosen out of all historical examples, other users have repeatedly pointed it out: it's the most common name in English sources. Blaming Russia for that is stupid, btw, since it could very well be from Latin. Just because it's used in a language you hate doesn't mean it's wrong or bad or that everyone else has to conform to your wishes. 62.12.83.152 (talk) 21:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah Waldemar is not Volodymyr.

The Old East Slavic name was Владимиръ (Vladimir).

Same in Old Church Slavonic, Proro-Slavic "Vladimer".

Source: Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Calling a Kievan Prince Volodymyr is incorrect. In languages that were spoken at the time he was alive, he was never called like that. He was called Vladimir, Valdamarr etc, but not Volodymyr.

Source: Senderovich, Savely (2007). "К истории восточнославянского имени Владимир" (PDF). Славяноведение. 2: 10. RumyantsevPolkovodets (talk) 12:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Please replace all instances of "Kiev" with "Kyiv" throughout the article to reflect the modern and correct spelling of the Ukrainian capital. This change aligns with Misplaced Pages's naming conventions and current usage standards. Piemoon407 (talk) 08:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

That would be against consensus and sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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