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== Places in Iran ==

Hi Carlos. About the concerns raised by {{u|Shahramrashidi}} at ] and ]: I think they are right that many the census entries are not actually villages. {{u|3 kids in a trenchcoat}} put it well in ]: {{tq|given that there are other "villages" listed in the same county with names translating to "gas station", "cement factory", and "peasant chicken slaughterhouse", it seems that the census takers were taking note of pretty much any building they came across}}. In the census spreadsheet, many such entries are marked with an asterisk, denoting a place with "less than 3 families". It seems clear that these not legally-recognised villages or even "settlements" in the ordinary sense, just isolated households. The two articles Shahram brought up, ] and ], translate to "Amalzadeh's Well No. 1" and "Colonel Behrmand's pump", so there is the additional problem that many of these articles could essentially giving the address of a ].

I think we will need to clean these up somehow, but given the volume, it would be much easier if you are willing to help? &ndash;&#8239;]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 11:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Joe Roe}} you are right completely and If you to transle all of them even their name is not village name. Also i can help in cleaning of them in order to credit of WP.] 12:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

* I think Carlossuarez46 made a big mistake creating these articles. Carlossuarez46 most probably cannot understand Persian, otherwise he wouldn't create these articles. I know that some Iranian users encouraged him, probably out of nationalistic sentiments. Unlike what User:3 kids in a trenchcoat told at ], the Iranain census does not designate such places as village ({{lang-fa|روستا}}), but uses the generic term آبادی (''ābādi'', "developed"). The Persian term ''ābādi'' includes three items: 1) village; 2) farm; 3) place (such as gas stations, dairy farms, etc). According to ], only villages are notable, regardless of their population. BUT there is a big problem. There is no fast-and-hard rule to determine which ''ābādi'' is a village and which one is not. One cannot rely on census documents, as the work of the Iranian statistical center is based on ''ābādi''s, not villages. There are only villages in Iran, compared to ''ābādi''s. ] (]) 21:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
:*Notability in FAWIKI is one thing, here it's different. ] shows legally recognized populated places are generally notable. There is no indication that anything is a "census tract" which is a small portion of a larger settlement. While, generally speaking, one may view publications from certain governmental units as not reliable; there is every indication that the Iranian census is of the reliable sort that we rely upon regularly at WP - they are better equipped to tell us how many people live in each of their places than anyone else. ] (]) 22:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
::*Of course, the English Misplaced Pages can go its own way. But let me state some statistics for you, Carlossuarez46, and then you folks can make an informed decision. That's all I want, an ''informed'' decision.
::*According to , there were 73,057 census tracts in the United States. The English Misplaced Pages correctly does not count census tracts notable. The US is at least 4 times more populous and 6 times vaster than Iran. But the number of ''ābādi''s in Iran are even greater than that of the United States (98,100>73,057) for a smaller, less populated, and less developed country. Is this logical? I would say, no. If US census tracts are not notable, ''a fortiori'', Iranian ''ābādi''s are not notable. ] (]) 23:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
:::*{{ping|4nn1l2}} First, I do have facility in reading Persian; thanks for asking - no one should expect anyone's username to mean language ability or not. You make an argument that the number of notable populous places is somehow proportionate to either land area or population. Do you have any reliable sources for that notion? I would suspect that countries in different places were settled differently at different times. The Old World tends to be settled more in little villages from its agrarian heritage, and horse-limited transport in antiquity; the concept of village is virtually unknown in the New World. Our settlements sprouted along rivers and railroads and were accordingly spaced out and concentrated. Take India for an example: the number of villages is somewhere north of 600,000 (); other estimates go up to a million. India's area is about 1/3 of the US's. India's population is 1.366 billion or 4 times the US. But when India had only about the US population today, in the ], the government recorded 558,089 villages. See page 41 of . That's 7.5X greater for a smaller, equally populated, and less developed country. That's villages. And, smaller still, there are hamlets which are also subjects of articles in all geographies; but suffice to say your argument is debunked. ] (]) 01:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the useful context {{u|4nn1l2}}. Google Translate (I know, I know – but I'm not as linguistically gifted as Carlos) gives the "verified translation" of ''ābādi'' as "village", which I assumed is what led English-speaking editors to misunderstand the census data. However, if I understand correctly {{ping|Carlossuarez46}}, you are saying that you ''do'' consider places like ] to be notable? I have trouble squaring that with ], which only presumes that {{tq|populated, ''legally recognized'' places}} are notable, and that {{tq|buildings, including private residences}} must show significant coverage. To clarify, are you opposing deletion of these articles? If so, where do we go from here? Maybe we need a discussion to establish which categories of ''ābādi'' can be considered notable on enwiki, as recently happened on fawiki? &ndash;&#8239;]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 08:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::] is on a par with every other place reported in the source. That a few people live in something that sounds unlike a habitable place (which may be original research). We have plenty all over the place ] sounds like a boat, ] sounds like a market, ] sounds like a place where people sue each other, so we follow the sources. Under ], "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." If the government of Iran recognizes this place, do you have a contrary source that they don't? ] (]) 19:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::], please read for a scholarly definition of ''ābādi''. The point is ''ābādi'' is a very generic term, associated with "water" and "prosperity", ranging from a small farm to a metropolis. Wherever water is available in arid Iran and is not completely ruined and abandoned can be called an ''ābādi''. The Iranian Statistical Center uses the term in a specific meaning: {{tq|However, during the second general census of 1966, ābādī acquired an official usage with reference to rural districts only, and five types of ābādī were defined. These were more closely described in the 1976 census: The census guide stated that “ābādī is applied to one or several habitations or cultivated fields located in a country district and possessing official (or possibly unofficial) boundaries”. '''The term was made to refer to teahouses, mines, railroad stations, and other clearly demarcated installations, as well as to villages and fields.''' The five type of ābādī comprised (1) the village, i.e., a complex of habitations and fields with an official head, (2-3) non-village agricultural areas (mazraʿa), administratively either separate or part of a village, (4-5) non-agricultural sites (makān), likewise in two administrative categories.}}
:::::::Carlossuarez46, ] (Farm of Mr. Dariush Baharvand Ahmadi) is NOT on par with ]! The latter has 42KB of content, the former cannot be expanded at all. ''You'' made an original research calling this ''ābādi'' a village. How did you come to that conclusion? This is clearly a farm . The population of this farm was not reported in the 2006 census. It does not even exist in the . The says it is completely unpopulated (0 people). ] (]) 09:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::I agree that the original research is in taking a single line from a census spreadsheet, with no information other than a name and the ambiguous description ''ābādi'', and deciding this is a settlement that meets ]. The ] is on you the creator to show that these are, as described, "villages", not on us to disprove it. As {{u|4nn1l2}} says, we don't know that ''anyone'' lives there. From the same source: {{tq|About 23 percent of the ābādīs were non-residential}}.
::::::::And I have to say, this is hardly the first time this issue has come up with your creations Carlos. I appreciate your work on these and understand that mistakes happen, but it's disappointing that you are not willing to acknowledge them and help clean them up. Are other editors once again going to have to spend their time checking thousands of your articles and sending those that can't be verified to AfD? &ndash;&#8239;]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 10:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::Also please take a note, the source of most of these articles is the census, and unfortunately it has not been carefully noted that in the census, the goal is more about the number of people than the locations. The census also collects other information such as internet availability, literacy rate, etc. But if a person was on a farm or on agricultural land or a well, census officials also went there and conducted a census. But because there is no specific place or village, the name of the census place is written as farm, pump, well, behind the cement factory, etc.
:::::::::For Information, in Iran, in the past, when they wanted to issue a birth certificate for the first time, most of the surnames were issued according to the job of the people or a specific feature or place, and so on. So it is better to note that the census was based on people, not exactly the place, and even if someone was in the forest or in the middle of a lake or in the middle of the desert, then it does not mean that it must have been the village.] 15:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::So you say. What you say is interesting, but do you have a source for any of that? That would be unique in most countries as the census tends to count people where they are living not where they happen to be when the census taker shows up. I fill out a census for my home, not the grocery store, farm, cement factory I may be located at at some magical time. If it is as you say, surely there will be reliable sources, and some explanation that while you are being counted at a cement factory you won't also be counted at home. ] (]) 22:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::: For which of them you need sources? If you need Sources for how census are done in village you may find it in and . As you find in villages the census is done in Rural Health House and not in their house or farm or cement factory or etc. As you told have facility to read Persian language, then please see "خانوار معمولی غیر ساكن" -means "Ordinary non-resident household- and "جمعیت غیرساكن" -means Non-resident population- in the . Also you may find "آبادي" as a settlement may be a dozen, a farm, a place, a mine, and the like. If you intend to do a census in unknown place, you don't consider it because of he is not in registered house or village or count but with a note as a farm, mine, river, well or any similar to show census but no known place?] 05:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Carlos, it is not for other editors to have to prove that your thousands and thousands of ]-failing articles do not pass ]. It is for you (or anyone who wants to keep them) to prove that they do meet ]. It is apparent that the Iranian census abadis have exactly the same problem that the US GNIS toponyms do - many of them are not actually inhabited, still less are communities, much less legally-recognised/incorporated ones. You have created an immense problem for other editors of this encyclopedia that may take years to resolve. ] (]) 16:18, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::: {{ping|FOARP}} You claim that many of these are not actually inhabited, which ones? You do know that current population is irrelevant. Because ] covers all history - so you would have to argue they were NEVER inhabited. But again, there's your amorphous "many" without identification. Very similar to "some people say..." arguments. You also claim that Iranian villages are not notable (I do note that the fa wiki seems to disagree because there are articles there even under the notability guideline described above), it is incumbent upon you or whomever wants to remove them to nominate them. Just make sure that you check for sources ] you do. ] (]) 16:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: May you let us know where FAWIkI disagree with deletion of unknown places or farm or similar. FAWIKI and your mentioned notability guideline confirm villages only and not others.] 08:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Carlos, again, the burden is on the person making the claim to demonstrate that a locality was ever a legally recognised populated community (or a ]-passing community without legal recognition) under ]. The census data does not do this as, as is demonstrated above, many abadis are not populated communities but are instead just farms, factories, petrol stations etc. The situation is the same as with the GNIS toponyms of which a similar proportion were just mines, sidings, oil-wells, bridges etc. It is not enough to hand-wave and say "but they may have been populated communities with legal recognition in the past", evidence is needed positively demonstrating that, and the mere fact that the Iranian census includes a place-name does not do that. ] (]) 18:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Again, if you think that many of them (whatever that means) are unpopulated and you comply with ], go ahead and nominate what you think fails ]. It's your prerogative. ] (]) 18:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Joe Roe}} and {{u|Shahramrashidi}}, Both of the articles mentioned here say "At the 2006 census, its existence was noted, but its population was not reported". A search indicates that 7,092 articles have this phrase, about 10% of all the articles in Iran carlos created. Looking at Google Maps for a random couple dozen of these, every one is an isolated rural farm, not a notable village. This is consistent with carlos's mass-creation of California places, hundreds of which were falsely stated to be communities or otherwise notable settlements, often inconsistent with their source. A wider discussion to delete these false or non-notable articles is needed. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Reywas92|Joe Roe|Shahramrashidi|FOARP}} I created ]. Please consider contributing. ] (]) 04:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
:::@], @], @], @], @], Reference to result of done AFD, i think it is better to take and create AFD for other nominated and proposed AFD by Spidarone. ] 20:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
::::We do not want to continue to waste our time and others' with a futile attempt to individually PROD or discuss this many articles. An AN discussion as suggested there would be appropriate. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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<blockquote>'''Mass-created article by C46. Location appears to be the village of Garab. Created based on GNS, which is unreliable, and the Iranian census, which reports population-counts for locations that are not only villages/towns but instead are shops/farms/bridges/etc. The FA Wiki article states that this place is uninhabited.'''</blockquote>
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<blockquote>'''Non-notable location. Based on USGS topographic maps, this appears to have been just a mill complex, and was shown as "Bretz Mill (site)" on the 1982 topo: . Only very trivial mentions could be found in newspapers, mostly of Bretz Mill Campground (nearby) and Bretz Mill Condominiums (apparently unrelated). Regardless, from the satellite view this is clearly just a forest work camp now and not a "community". Fails ] and ].'''</blockquote>
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Nomination of Camden, Fresno County, California for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Hoseynabad (32°14′ N 49°25′ E), Andika

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Mass created article by C46. GNS is an unreliable source. The Iranian census collects data for location that are not villages, but instead just farms/bridges/shops etc. Appears to be an individual farm.

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Proposed deletion of Tazehabad (34°14′ N 48°28′ E), Pasikhan

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Mass-created article by C46. GNS is an unreliable source. The Iranian census collects data for locations that are not villages but are instead farms/bridges/shops etc. The location in the title appears to just be part of the town of Pasikhan.

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Proposed deletion of Musaabad (33°49′ N 48°13′ E), Selseleh

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Mass-created article by C46. Location appears to be a single farm. GNS is an unreliable source. Iranian census includes data for locations that are not villages/hamlets but instead farms/bridges/shops etc.

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Proposed deletion of Dubaj (37°23′ N 49°49′ E), Lasht-e Nesha

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Proposed deletion of Karimabad (33°53′ N 47°56′ E), Delfan

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Mass created article by C46, based on GNS, which is an unrelaibale source, and the Iranian census, whcih includes listings for individual farms/shops/factories/bridges/pumps (etc.). Location appears to be in an individual farm in a larger village.

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Proposed deletion of Shafiabad, Qazvin

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Mass-created article by C46, based on the Iranian census, which counts population around geographical locations that are not recognised communities but instead shops/farms/factories/bridges/pumps etc. Without any known location for this supposed village it is impossible to distinguish it from the other Shafiabad in the same district and they are potentially the same place. An FA wiki article exists, but it cites this article as its source.

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Proposed deletion of Hasanabad (34°03′ N 49°21′ E), Shazand

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Mass created article by C46. Location is that of Hoseynabad. GNS is an unreliable source, Iranian census collects data for locations that are not recognised communities but instead merely counting-places (e.g., shops, farms, bridges, pumps etc.)

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Proposed deletion of Scotts Corner, California

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Mass created article by C46. No evidence, anywhere, that this was ever anything but a store.

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Proposed deletion of Cedar Grove, Fresno County, California

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Not a community at all; this was a historic hotel that is now a non-notable facility in Kings Canyon National Park. Complete failure of WP:GNG; all cited sources are trivial mentions, databases, or unreliable sources.

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Proposed deletion of Conejo, California

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Non-notable location; just a rural flag stop. Only 4 very trivial mentions in a comprehensive history of Fresno County: , all of them of the "xxx has a ranch near Conejo" variety. Fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG.

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Nomination of Bretz Mill, California for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Kahanok (27°26′ N 59°36′ E), Dalgan

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Mass-created article by C46. The location in the article title is in fact the village of Kalakontak. Geonames is not a reliable source. The existence of another Kahanok in the same district make this impossible to verify.

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Proposed deletion of Shamsabad (36°11′ N 58°38′ E), Firuzeh

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Mass created article by C46 based on data from GNS, an unreliable source. There is nothing at the location in the article title, addresses near to it state that they are in the village of Mohsenabad.

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Proposed deletion of Tiab (27°30′ N 57°41′ E), Manujan

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Mass created article by C46. The location in the article-title is empty desert. GNS in an unreliable source. The Iranian census counts population around geographical locations that are not communities but instead pumps, farms, bridges etc..

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Proposed deletion of Hajjiabad (32°42′ N 52°55′ E), Nain

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Mass created article by C46, based on GNS (an unreliable source) and the Iranian census (which counts population around geographical points that are not communities but instead shops/bridges/farms etc.). Local addresses declare this to be Eshratabad, the "Hajiabad" name is probably a reference to the grave of someone who went on the Haj being here. The FA wiki article is a copy/paste of this one.

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Proposed deletion of Hajjiabad (33°39′ N 50°04′ E), Kamareh

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Mass created article by C46, based on GNS (unreliable) and the Iranian census (which does not only list villages, but also populations counted around locations that are not communities). The location in the article title appears to be a farm on the outskirts of the city of Khomeyn.

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Proposed deletion of Tiab (27°18′ N 57°38′ E), Manujan

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Mass created article by C46. based on GNS (which is unreliable) and the Iranian census, which counts people around locations that are not necessarily villages but which include shops, farms, pumps and so-forth. the location in the title appears to be an individual farm in the village of Talhaz.

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Proposed deletion of Mohammadabad (34°11′ N 56°57′ E), Dastgerdan

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Mass-created article by C46, based on GNS (which is unreliable) and the Iranian census (which includes locations which are not communities). The location in the article title appears to be either Fathabad (going by the name of the local mosque) or Hasanabad (going by other addresses).

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Proposed deletion of Hajjiabad (33°17′ N 57°30′ E), Tabas

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Mass created article by C46, based on GNS (which is unreliable) and the Iranian census (which includes locations that are not communities). The location in the article-title appears to be in the village of Deyhuk.

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Proposed deletion of Seyyed Sharif (31°18′ N 48°25′ E), Ahvaz

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Mass created article by C46, based on bad sources (GNS, which is unreliable, and the Iranian census, which counts people around geographical locations that are not communities). The location in the article title appears to be the village of Azrag, based on the address of the local school.

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Proposed deletion of Mahmudabad (36°34′ N 45°35′ E), Mahabad

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Mass created article by C46, based on bad sources (GNS, which is unreliable, and the Iranian census, which counts people around geographical locations that are not communities). The location in the article-title appears to be the village of Dol Bahar.

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