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The American Imperialism page has actually gone too far in one direction. Whilst this talk page was initially created to speak regarding the softness of the article regarding the topic, the entire article has been revamped in the opposite direction. Thus, it is still not a neutral article. In most other professional and encyclopedic versions of articles I have read on Misplaced Pages, historians are cited occasionally to give a point of view, but in this article it is so cluttered with negative historical views of America's foreign policy, you miss out on the actual informative things. A standard middle school textbook does a better job than the current article, which desperately needs to be fixed. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:41, November 26, 2016 (UTC)</small> |
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The American Imperialism page has actually gone too far in one direction. Whilst this talk page was initially created to speak regarding the softness of the article regarding the topic, the entire article has been revamped in the opposite direction. Thus, it is still not a neutral article. In most other professional and encyclopedic versions of articles I have read on Misplaced Pages, historians are cited occasionally to give a point of view, but in this article it is so cluttered with negative historical views of America's foreign policy, you miss out on the actual informative things. A standard middle school textbook does a better job than the current article, which desperately needs to be fixed. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:41, November 26, 2016 (UTC)</small> |
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caught my eye -- particularly the restored wording which, at a glance, appears to be editorial POV. I don't have time right not to look closely at this, but I see that this has undergone changes recently -- the furthest I have looked back is the substantially different wording back in version as of a couple of weeks ago. The requires a subscription for access. I'll try to find time to look more closely at this later if nobody else has fixed it by the time I get back to it. Please discuss below as needed. Thanks. ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 21:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC) |
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:I happened to look back at this, and I notice that I began it with a bad link. I don't recall making the edit but, AFAICT, the initial link should go to version of the article. I see that this was changed in the next edit with edit having an edit summary saying "conforming to source." ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 18:04, 20 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Wrong title == |
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I search "British Empire", I do not get redirected to "British Imperialism." |
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The timeline currently goes only up to the USA in Korea and Vietnam. Needs a massive edit to add everything after that, such as: |
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I search "American Empire", I get redirected to "American Imperialism". |
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Iraq War, Afghanistan, Operation Condor, Grenada, Indonesia and US support of the coup there (Jakarta Method) among many others. ] (]) 21:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This manifests an absurd bias, and should be changed. |
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:The U.S. never had a formal empire, but has acted in imperialistic ways. --] (]) 13:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:If you feel a change is needed, that could be discussed at ] or the redirect could be listed at ]. ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 13:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== 1800s American expansion through artistic expression == |
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There is no such thing as the American empire and never had been. This page is an absurdity. You can't say "it acted imperialistically" and then jump to the conclusion "it WAS imperial!" ] (]) 03:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC) |
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I think that adding a section on how public opinion manifested itself in artistic expression with relation to American expansion would be beneficial in exploring responses and gauging the consensus at the time concerning American pursuits for territory. Looking into how C19th art was used to rally support and criticize US expansion will help conceptualize such a multifaceted period of time ] (]) 21:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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It probably does that because this page is what people are thinking of when they type American Empire. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Page name change == |
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== 2025 Trump remarks == |
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The term "imperialism" is given it's own new definition at the start of this page. It is not imperialism in the traditional sense. Therefore I think a more appropriate name is needed. Clearly we are talking about an incidious form of cultural influence permeating from the nation of the USA. |
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I think it’s fair to mention the new remarks done by Donald Trump on January 7th 2025. |
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I suggest a better name would be: |
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American globalisation |
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or Global influence of the USA ] (]) 03:32, 17 September 2020 (UTC) |
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It shows, specifically, Trump’s American irredentism which is safe to say is imperialistic. |
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:So, you want to change the name of the article because the text doesn't reflect it properly? That's a reason to edit the text, not to change the name to something else which the Text also doesn't adequately reflect.<small>] (]) 05:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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He claimed that, Trump refuses to rule out the use of the military to occupy the Panama Canal and Greenland (one of the many sources: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/07/trump-panama-canal-greenland) , and on top of that he continues to talk about a possible use of “economic force” to lead to an eventual annexation of Canada (once again, one of the many sources: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5071665-trump-economic-force-canada/) . |
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I am not suggesting an alternative to the text, I am suggesting an alternative title based on that text. |
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For example if you needed to describe an orange in an article but titled the article "apple" would you change the title to orange or edit the entire article to fit the title? ] (]) 01:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:When an article strays off course somewhat, the solution isn't to double down on it and just change the article's topic and title with it. "Imperialism" and "imperialist" occur 99 times in the article, and are discussed in depth. Perhaps if you mentioned and related to apples 99 times while discussing an orange, your article should indeed be titled "apple". ] (]) 23:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== what is the purpose of the section on "American exceptionalism"? == |
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This comes after a series of remarks by Trump in the past few weeks, and also already saw the first European reactions with the Danish PM stating: “There is a lot of support among the people of Greenland that Greenland is not for sale and will not be in the future either. Greenland belongs to the Greelanders,” and also the The French foreign minister, Jean-Noël Barrot, told Inter radio: “There is no question of the EU letting other nations in the world, whoever they may be, attack its sovereign borders.” |
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There seem to be no direct links to the topic of this article, which is imperialism. Also, the notion of exceptionalism was throughout U.S. history used to justify both imperialism and opposition to imperialism. It is also a very short and incoherent section. Could this be deleted? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== No mention of Operation Condor? == |
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Many newspapers also claimed that this was a “Imperialist remark” by Trump such as “Le Monde”(https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/01/08/donald-trump-s-rhetoric-of-a-new-american-imperialism_6736821_4.html) , NBC news (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-makes-apparent-push-for-new-era-of-american-imperialism-in-wide-ranging-press-conference-228703301715) and Defense Blog (“https://defence-blog.com/fears-of-a-new-era-of-colonialism-after-trumps-comments/<nowiki/>”) ] (]) 11:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
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This article direly needs a section on the US's financing of military juntas in South America, I'm kinda baffled that it doesn't include it |
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The American Imperialism page has actually gone too far in one direction. Whilst this talk page was initially created to speak regarding the softness of the article regarding the topic, the entire article has been revamped in the opposite direction. Thus, it is still not a neutral article. In most other professional and encyclopedic versions of articles I have read on Misplaced Pages, historians are cited occasionally to give a point of view, but in this article it is so cluttered with negative historical views of America's foreign policy, you miss out on the actual informative things. A standard middle school textbook does a better job than the current article, which desperately needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.7.66.150 (talk • contribs) 22:41, November 26, 2016 (UTC)
The timeline currently goes only up to the USA in Korea and Vietnam. Needs a massive edit to add everything after that, such as:
Iraq War, Afghanistan, Operation Condor, Grenada, Indonesia and US support of the coup there (Jakarta Method) among many others. Genabab (talk) 21:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I think that adding a section on how public opinion manifested itself in artistic expression with relation to American expansion would be beneficial in exploring responses and gauging the consensus at the time concerning American pursuits for territory. Looking into how C19th art was used to rally support and criticize US expansion will help conceptualize such a multifaceted period of time Maisiesucks (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I think it’s fair to mention the new remarks done by Donald Trump on January 7th 2025.
It shows, specifically, Trump’s American irredentism which is safe to say is imperialistic.
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