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== Update to include COVID-19 vaccine ==
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] describing the cost of the common cold<ref>{{cite web|title=The Cost of the Common Cold and Influenza |website=Imperial War Museum: Posters of Conflict |publisher=vads |url=http://vads.bath.ac.uk/flarge.php?uid=33443&sos=0 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20110727091037/http://vads.bath.ac.uk/flarge.php?uid=33443&sos=0 |archivedate=27 July 2011 |df= }}</ref>]]
] describing the cost of the common cold<ref>{{cite web|title=The Cost of the Common Cold and Influenza |website=Imperial War Museum: Posters of Conflict |publisher=vads |url=http://vads.bath.ac.uk/flarge.php?uid=33443&sos=0 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20110727091037/http://vads.bath.ac.uk/flarge.php?uid=33443&sos=0 |archivedate=27 July 2011 |df= }}</ref>]]


The text: "There is no vaccine for the common cold" is no longer accurate since there are now vaccines for some strains of Coronavirus. ] (]) 17:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I have trouble reading the second one... ] (] · ] · ]) 21:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


:The covid-19 vaccine impacts the virus itself, the common cold is a disease (ie the reaction to the virus) so it has no vaccine as so many virial strains impact it. ] (]) 08:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
== No vaccine? Not entirely true! ==


== Reference Update ==
"There is no vaccine for the common cold".


Please change the url of current ref. no. , the broken link of to the valid url . ] (]) 08:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Not entirely true. Adenoviruses are responsible for maybe only 5% of common colds, but many serious cases of common colds are caused by adenovirus. And there is a vaccine, by the Israel comopany Teva.
https://en.wikipedia.org/Adenovirus_vaccine


:It should really be removed entirely as it is not an acceptable source for Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 08:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
The vaccine has been proven extremely efficient for what it was designed for.


== Distinguishing acute bacterial rhinosinusitis from a common cold ==
Correct me if I am mistaken.


A useful checklist is provided by the European Position Paper on Rhinosinusitis and Nasal Polyps (EPOS) consensus, which recommends the use of a combination of signs and symptoms to identify acute bacterial rhinosinusitis (ABRS), diagnosed when ≥3 of five criteria are present: Discolored discharge with a unilateral predominance; Severe local pain; Fever ≥38°C; Double sickening; Elevation of C-reactive protein (CRP) or erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR). <ref>Fokkens WJ, Lund VJ, Hopkins C, et al. European position paper on rhinosinusitis and nasal polyps. Rhinology 2020; 58(Suppl S29): 1-464. rhinologyjournal.com/Documents/Supplements/supplement_29.pdf </ref>
I'm sure Teva would by happy sell the vaccine to almost any government willing to buy it.


--] (]) 18:19, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


== Eccles ref ==


] (]) 05:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I see a ref with Eccles and a page number, I do not know this ref. It is quasi impossible for someone reading this article to know which book are we talking about. I am deleting the claim associated. ] (]) 17:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

:Hi! I noticed this as well a few months ago. This ref is in the works-cited list. At the time I was not aware of this reference formatting for text books.
:Works cited
:Eccles, Ronald; Weber, Olaf, eds. (2009). Common Cold (Illustrated ed.). Springer Science & Business Media. ISBN 978-3-7643-9912-2.2
:I see you removed ''"The common cold is frequently defined as ] with varying amount of throat inflammation.<ref name=E51>Eccles pp. 51–52</ref>"'' This reference (textbook) is outdated, regardless. Should we look for a more recent reference or not add back in this sentence?
:] (]) 19:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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::I guess not adding back to be compliant with MEDRS (see my talk page) ] (]) 18:41, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


== Distinguishing bacterial sinusitis from a common cold ==
== Terminology ==

A useful checklist is provided by the European Position Paper on Rhinosinusitis and Nasal Polyps (EPOS) consensus, which recommends the use of a combination of signs and symptoms to identify acute bacterial rhinosinusitis (ABRS), diagnosed when ≥3 of five criteria are present: Discolored discharge with a unilateral predominance; Severe local pain; Fever ≥38°C; Double sickening; Elevation of C-reactive protein (CRP) or erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR). * DOI: ] ] (]) 14:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


:Thanks for your suggestion {{Ping|BlueBellTree|p=}}, but I'm afraid I've reverted this for now, as I don't think it's right for Misplaced Pages in its current form. See ]: Misplaced Pages is not a 'how to' guide, medical textbook or instruction manual. Additions to this article should be descriptive of notable facts about the common cold. There is perhaps potential to expand 'diagnosis' section of this article to say a little more than it currently does about differential diagnosis. But it would need to lay out in an encyclopedic style what other illnesses are difficult to distinguish from the common cold, and why, while demonstrating notability and relevance. I think it's unlikely we would have enough encyclopedic content to need a separate subsection for one specific differential diagnosis. ] ] 17:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
As I read this and the Coryza/Rhinitis entry, I surmise the forner is a symptom of the common cold, but not strictly speaking a synonym for the term as it is often used. Is this correct? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:40, 31 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Thank you for your guidance. Im still learning here. I fitted some of the information in under the paragraph on viruses and bacteria and it seems to fit better there. ] (]) 18:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)


== Self contradiction ==
== "viral disease" vs "group of viral diseases" ==


"Signs and symptoms may appear in as little as two days after exposure to the virus."
Since the common cold doesn't refer to single virus family (compared to e.g. Flu), would it be sensible to edit the lead sentence:
*Currently: "The common cold ... is a viral infectious disease"
*Proposed alt1: "The common cold ... is a group of viral infectious diseases"
*Proposed alt2: "The common cold ... is an infectious diseases, caused by a number of viruses"


"Usual onset ~2 days from exposure" (in info box)
I realise it's clarified in lead paragraph 2 that it's not just rhinoviruses, but it could be worth synchronising the lead sentence to that phrasing (e.g. it's linked from ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 05:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


Probably nobody will be bother to fix it, which is why Misplaced Pages sucks...
== Common cold as clinical syndrome ==
] (]) 21:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)


:Not a contradiction because the two statements say the same thing and are sourced to the same reference. If you want to modify how it reads, propose a change here (add a source, if needed) or ] yourself. ] (]) 22:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Currently common cold is defined as ″viral infectious disease of the upper respiratory tract″. But in fact about 30% of common cold cases have no identified pathogen and in about 5% of cases bacterial agent is found through its casual role is not established (). Moreover the disease can be caused by about 200 different viruses. Simptomes are similar and the disease can be even self-diagnosed without any tests. So it can be defined as a clinical syndrome. Some medical articles define common cold as a syndrome: . Here's some information about syndrome vs disease meaning: . As I think defining the disease as clinical syndrome would be more accurate since many cases have no identified pathogen and the disease is caused by many different viruses. What do you think? -- ] (]) 17:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

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Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 21:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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  • "While a cough and a fever indicate a higher likelihood of influenza in adults, there is a great deal of similarity between these two conditions" - different viruses? (Maybe could say a little more about the difference?)
  • "it may also be related to changes in the respiratory system that results in greater susceptibility" - can this be explained more?
  • "This is believed to be due primarily to increased time spent indoors,..." - is there a way of getting rid of the passive voice? (There are other examples also.)
  • Herd immunity - Doesn't this apply to the prevalence of vaccinations? is there a vaccination for the cold?
No, it does not apply only to vaccine-derived immunity, but naturally acquired immunity too. (See; Fine P, Eames K, Heymann DL (2011). ""Herd immunity": a rough guide". Clinical Infectious Diseases : an Official Publication of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. 52 (7): 911–6. doi:10.1093/cid/cir007. PMID 21427399. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)). Graham Colm (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps the text in the link Herd immunity is misleading? It's under the general category of "Cause", so the impression is that people herded together cause the spread of the cold virus, when the opposite is meant if the link is actually read.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MathewTownsend (talkcontribs)
I am not sure if my clarification helped.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

::::Perhaps the text in the link Herd immunity is misleading? It's under the general category of "Cause", so the impression is that people herded together cause the spread of the cold virus, when the opposite is meant if the link is actually read. Fixed I see.

  • Yes it did. We got caught in an edit conflict.
  • "regarding BTA-798" - what is BTA-798? - could "regarding" be changed to "to"?

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The article says "The primary method of prevention is by hand washing". I don't know if this means I can prevent other people catching my cold if I wash my hands, or if it means other people can stop themselves catching my cold if they wash their hands, or if it means I can prevent myself catching other people's colds if I wash my hands. Or does it mean I can prevent the symptoms getting very bad, after I catch a cold, by washing my hands?86.131.54.100 (talk) 22:12, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Update to include COVID-19 vaccine

The text: "There is no vaccine for the common cold" is no longer accurate since there are now vaccines for some strains of Coronavirus. RRFreeman (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The covid-19 vaccine impacts the virus itself, the common cold is a disease (ie the reaction to the virus) so it has no vaccine as so many virial strains impact it. 78.137.138.130 (talk) 08:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Reference Update

Please change the url of current ref. no. , the broken link of to the valid url . Con-struct (talk) 08:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

It should really be removed entirely as it is not an acceptable source for Misplaced Pages. Bon courage (talk) 08:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Distinguishing acute bacterial rhinosinusitis from a common cold

A useful checklist is provided by the European Position Paper on Rhinosinusitis and Nasal Polyps (EPOS) consensus, which recommends the use of a combination of signs and symptoms to identify acute bacterial rhinosinusitis (ABRS), diagnosed when ≥3 of five criteria are present: Discolored discharge with a unilateral predominance; Severe local pain; Fever ≥38°C; Double sickening; Elevation of C-reactive protein (CRP) or erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR).


BlueBellTree (talk) 05:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. Fokkens WJ, Lund VJ, Hopkins C, et al. European position paper on rhinosinusitis and nasal polyps. Rhinology 2020; 58(Suppl S29): 1-464. rhinologyjournal.com/Documents/Supplements/supplement_29.pdf

Distinguishing bacterial sinusitis from a common cold

A useful checklist is provided by the European Position Paper on Rhinosinusitis and Nasal Polyps (EPOS) consensus, which recommends the use of a combination of signs and symptoms to identify acute bacterial rhinosinusitis (ABRS), diagnosed when ≥3 of five criteria are present: Discolored discharge with a unilateral predominance; Severe local pain; Fever ≥38°C; Double sickening; Elevation of C-reactive protein (CRP) or erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR). * DOI: 10.4193/Rhin20.600 BlueBellTree (talk) 14:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion @BlueBellTree, but I'm afraid I've reverted this for now, as I don't think it's right for Misplaced Pages in its current form. See WP:NOT: Misplaced Pages is not a 'how to' guide, medical textbook or instruction manual. Additions to this article should be descriptive of notable facts about the common cold. There is perhaps potential to expand 'diagnosis' section of this article to say a little more than it currently does about differential diagnosis. But it would need to lay out in an encyclopedic style what other illnesses are difficult to distinguish from the common cold, and why, while demonstrating notability and relevance. I think it's unlikely we would have enough encyclopedic content to need a separate subsection for one specific differential diagnosis. Joe D (t) 17:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your guidance. Im still learning here. I fitted some of the information in under the paragraph on viruses and bacteria and it seems to fit better there. BlueBellTree (talk) 18:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Self contradiction

"Signs and symptoms may appear in as little as two days after exposure to the virus."

"Usual onset ~2 days from exposure" (in info box)

Probably nobody will be bother to fix it, which is why Misplaced Pages sucks... 86.123.193.170 (talk) 21:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Not a contradiction because the two statements say the same thing and are sourced to the same reference. If you want to modify how it reads, propose a change here (add a source, if needed) or WP:FIXIT yourself. Zefr (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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