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	== Marconi Club, Italian based ==		== Marconi Club, Italian based ==

	I recall that David Hill, the head of the Australian Soccer Fedaration tolf the Marconi Club that it could no longer use Italian colours on its symbols because Italy, as part of the European Union, no longer existed. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		I recall that David Hill, the head of the Australian Soccer Fedaration tolf the Marconi Club that it could no longer use Italian colours on its symbols because Italy, as part of the European Union, no longer existed. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	:::: None of these changes are quote unquote "recent." If you would like to challenge it take it up with ] not with me. I dare you. It won't go anywhere, as the article says "should" and not "must." If you have a problem with that other article take it up with ] also. I think we're done here --] (]) 15:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)		:::: None of these changes are quote unquote "recent." If you would like to challenge it take it up with ] not with me. I dare you. It won't go anywhere, as the article says "should" and not "must." If you have a problem with that other article take it up with ] also. I think we're done here --] (]) 15:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
	::::Oh sorry, I have quoted the wrong sentence. The one that actually follows your quote is: {{tq\|That said, in most cases, an editor who knows a proposed change will modify a matter resolved by past discussion should propose that change by discussion.}} A sentence about guidance (for new editors, it seems) follows, and I have tried to provide such guidance. However, I now have the impression that guidance is not necessary in this specific case. ] (]) 16:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)		::::Oh sorry, I have quoted the wrong sentence. The one that actually follows your quote is: {{tq\|That said, in most cases, an editor who knows a proposed change will modify a matter resolved by past discussion should propose that change by discussion.}} A sentence about guidance (for new editors, it seems) follows, and I have tried to provide such guidance. However, I now have the impression that guidance is not necessary in this specific case. ] (]) 16:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


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	== Most popular? ==		== Most popular? ==

	I decided to conduct a reference check and noticed that the Roy Morgan reference has an . In the over 14 year old category, soccer is well down from the top. I do not think the claim made in this article is sustainable. - ] ] 10:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)		I decided to conduct a reference check and noticed that the Roy Morgan reference has an . In the over 14 year old category, soccer is well down from the top. I do not think the claim made in this article is sustainable. - ] ] 10:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

	Is walking a sport? ] (]) 03:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)		Is walking a sport? ] (]) 03:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

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			] → {{no redirect\|Association football in Australia}} – Because the sport has become more widely known as "football", in Australia, in the 21st Century (]), I'd like to see the name changed from "soccer". However, I think we can agree that it should probably match New Zealand (]), with "Association football in xxxxx". ] (]) 19:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

			:'''Oppose''' per ], which clearly states that it should be called soccer. – ]] <small><i>ping me!</i></small> 19:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
			::'''Oppose''' soccer's the common usage in Australia. ] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">]</span>'' 20:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' per ] about correct usage. Various players from Australia play in England but that does not make them footballers (as Stevie fae Scotland explains from that talk page I've linked. ] (]) (]) 21:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' We have a well established policy on this at ]. This was discussed more than extensively on the Talk page of that policy - ]. Unless a new, very persuasive argument is presented, this policy is not going to change. What happens in New Zealand is irrelevant, because it doesn't have other major, professional sports called football. ] (]) 23:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' Per ], it should remain as "soccer" ] (]) 06:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
			*<small>Note: This discussion has been included in ]'s list of association football-related page moves. ]] 18:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)</small>
			*'''Oppose''' as above. ]] 18:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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Marconi Club, Italian based

I recall that David Hill, the head of the Australian Soccer Fedaration tolf the Marconi Club that it could no longer use Italian colours on its symbols because Italy, as part of the European Union, no longer existed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.107.205 (talk) 13:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

It is clearly not Soccer

Edit warring, and civility issues from now blocked IP. Lupin VII (talk) 04:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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Despite the comments from the unwashed masses who have no interest in the sport and make comments based on the prediction of denigration of the term "football" as compared to its "common" usage names for "Rugby League" and "AFL" or "Aussie Rules" the name is football and it has always been football around the world for more than 100 years... There is no confusion when the correct names for the sport are used rather than denigerations such as "mungo ball" or "hand egg" stop with the bias please ladies. IF all the articles on Misplaced Pages used their correct name with appropriate redirects there would be no misunderstanding. --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC) The current consensus is to use the "soccer" term per Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). See discussion right here: Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Looking at practical usage here. Your changes may be in good faith but you broke some of the links and changed titles in citations via a search and replace function. Which is why it's reverted. theinstantmatrix (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC) Editors may propose a consensus change by... editing --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC) …especially to raise previously unconsidered arguments or circumstances. On the other hand, proposing to change a recent consensus can be disruptive. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC) None of these changes are quote unquote "recent." If you would like to challenge it take it up with ANI not with me. I dare you. It won't go anywhere, as the article says "should" and not "must." If you have a problem with that other article take it up with ANI also. I think we're done here --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC) Oh sorry, I have quoted the wrong sentence. The one that actually follows your quote is: That said, in most cases, an editor who knows a proposed change will modify a matter resolved by past discussion should propose that change by discussion. A sentence about guidance (for new editors, it seems) follows, and I have tried to provide such guidance. However, I now have the impression that guidance is not necessary in this specific case. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC) @HiLo48 and others: Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox for your cause. Please read Misplaced Pages:Not with particular reference to the last link. Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise. An article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to describe the topic from a neutral point of view. You might wish to start a blog or visit a forum if you want to convince people of the merits of your opinions. If you want to have an opinion start your own forum, this is not the place for it. 101.179.104.172 (talk) 03:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC) You've completely missed what consensus means. You're being rude, and have ownership issues. Please stop edit warring. Lupin VII (talk) 04:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring, and civility issues from now blocked IP. Lupin VII (talk) 04:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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Despite the comments from the unwashed masses who have no interest in the sport and make comments based on the prediction of denigration of the term "football" as compared to its "common" usage names for "Rugby League" and "AFL" or "Aussie Rules" the name is football and it has always been football around the world for more than 100 years... There is no confusion when the correct names for the sport are used rather than denigerations such as "mungo ball" or "hand egg" stop with the bias please ladies.

IF all the articles on Misplaced Pages used their correct name with appropriate redirects there would be no misunderstanding. --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The current consensus is to use the "soccer" term per Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). See discussion right here: Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Looking at practical usage here. Your changes may be in good faith but you broke some of the links and changed titles in citations via a search and replace function. Which is why it's reverted. theinstantmatrix (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Editors may propose a consensus change by... editing --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

…especially to raise previously unconsidered arguments or circumstances. On the other hand, proposing to change a recent consensus can be disruptive. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

None of these changes are quote unquote "recent." If you would like to challenge it take it up with ANI not with me. I dare you. It won't go anywhere, as the article says "should" and not "must." If you have a problem with that other article take it up with ANI also. I think we're done here --101.179.104.172 (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I have quoted the wrong sentence. The one that actually follows your quote is: That said, in most cases, an editor who knows a proposed change will modify a matter resolved by past discussion should propose that change by discussion. A sentence about guidance (for new editors, it seems) follows, and I have tried to provide such guidance. However, I now have the impression that guidance is not necessary in this specific case. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@HiLo48 and others: Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox for your cause. Please read Misplaced Pages:Not with particular reference to the last link.

Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise. An article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to describe the topic from a neutral point of view. You might wish to start a blog or visit a forum if you want to convince people of the merits of your opinions.

If you want to have an opinion start your own forum, this is not the place for it. 101.179.104.172 (talk) 03:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

You've completely missed what consensus means. You're being rude, and have ownership issues. Please stop edit warring. Lupin VII (talk) 04:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Most popular?

I decided to conduct a reference check and noticed that the Roy Morgan reference has an updated report for 2017. In the over 14 year old category, soccer is well down from the top. I do not think the claim made in this article is sustainable. - Nick Thorne 10:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Is walking a sport? Orcky723 (talk) 03:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 12 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. SNOW close. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Soccer in Australia → Association football in Australia – Because the sport has become more widely known as "football", in Australia, in the 21st Century (Football Australia), I'd like to see the name changed from "soccer". However, I think we can agree that it should probably match New Zealand (Association football in New Zealand), with "Association football in xxxxx". 90.255.15.152 (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:NCFA, which clearly states that it should be called soccer. – Material Works ping me! 19:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose soccer's the common usage in Australia. SportingFlyer T·C 20:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per this discussion about correct usage. Various players from Australia play in England but that does not make them footballers (as Stevie fae Scotland explains from that talk page I've linked. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose We have a well established policy on this at Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). This was discussed more than extensively on the Talk page of that policy - Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). Unless a new, very persuasive argument is presented, this policy is not going to change. What happens in New Zealand is irrelevant, because it doesn't have other major, professional sports called football. HiLo48 (talk) 23:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Per Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Football in Australia), it should remain as "soccer" FastCube (talk) 06:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 18:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Oppose as above. Giant Snowman 18:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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