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==His children?== |
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== Plutarch as an influence? == |
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I notice there is a lot here on Rousseau's child rearing and similar facts... but there is no mention he had 5 children with Therese who he abandoned to be orphans. Is there no criticism of this available? Should we not certainly include this in our assessment of him? What happened to his children? ] (]) 21:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Rousseau claimed that he went to the foundling hospital 10 years after he abandoned their first son, but it didn't have any records of the children. I believe he lied and never visited, he never wanted any of them in the first place. This would be an interesting exercise for French historical researchers, to look at the records and see what really happened. ] (]) 17:24, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Liberalism == |
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Jean-Jacques Rousseau has historically been classified as a liberal. |
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The sources are under the article "]"; Another source: The history of European liberalism by Guido Ruggiero. |
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--] (]) 17:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)RVD3 |
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I have noticed that Plutarch is not listed as an influence. However, Rousseau cites Plutarch throughout his work; the only person who is referenced more by Rousseau is Plato. |
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=="the Antichrist" vs "an antichrist"== |
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In the Fourth Walk of his Reveries of a Solitary Walker, Rousseau says of Plutarch, “Among the small number of books that I still sometimes read, Plutarch is the one that grips and profits me the most. It was the first reading of my childhood; it will be the last of my old age; he is nearly the only author that I have never read without drawing from him some fruit." |
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The current version of the page says his pastor described him as "the Antichrist". But the book cited just says "his onw pastor turned against him, and denounced him in public sermons as Antichrist", itself citing a book which writes "M. de Montmollin, whilst professing to withdraw from all public action against Rousseau, continued to excite, by his sermons and letters, the animosity of his parishioners against this "anti-Christ", inflicted upon the pious people of Neuchatel after he had been repudiated by all Christian states". Given that historically "antichrist" has not always been understood as referring to just one person, I think Misplaced Pages should say he was described as "an Antichrist" or just "Antichrist".] (]) 21:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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In the Confessions, Rousseau recounts, “From these interesting readings ...was formed that free and republican spirit, that indomitable and proud character, impatient with the yoke and servitude which has tormented me my whole life in situations least appropriate for giving vent to it." |
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== Rousseau's motto: ''Vitam impendere vero'' == |
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In a recent article in "The Rousseauian Mind" (2019), edited by Christopher Kelly and Eve Grace, called "Rousseau's Debt to Plutarch," Rebecca Kingston makes a compelling case that Plutarch was a foundational influence for Rousseau. |
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From Juvenal's ''Satires''; cf. . Probably worth adding to the main page somewhere. --] (]) 17:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC) |
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==in popular culture== |
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Verses of Rousseau are the subject of French language 1925 song setting ''A mes amis, les oiseaux'' by Australian classical composer ] (1867-1932) <ref> {{Citation | author1=McBurney, Mona | author2=Rousseau, Jean-Jacques, 1712-1778 | title=Melodies | publication-date=1925 | publisher=Ch. Hayet | url=https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/10537269 | accessdate=6 September 2019 }} </ref> Not sure where this fits in the article ] (]) 04:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC) |
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I notice there is a lot here on Rousseau's child rearing and similar facts... but there is no mention he had 5 children with Therese who he abandoned to be orphans. Is there no criticism of this available? Should we not certainly include this in our assessment of him? What happened to his children? 66.168.118.139 (talk) 21:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Jean-Jacques Rousseau has historically been classified as a liberal.
The sources are under the article "classical liberalism"; Another source: The history of European liberalism by Guido Ruggiero.
The current version of the page says his pastor described him as "the Antichrist". But the book cited just says "his onw pastor turned against him, and denounced him in public sermons as Antichrist", itself citing a book which writes "M. de Montmollin, whilst professing to withdraw from all public action against Rousseau, continued to excite, by his sermons and letters, the animosity of his parishioners against this "anti-Christ", inflicted upon the pious people of Neuchatel after he had been repudiated by all Christian states". Given that historically "antichrist" has not always been understood as referring to just one person, I think Misplaced Pages should say he was described as "an Antichrist" or just "Antichrist".136.152.143.254 (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)