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== Biased/slanted article intro ==
== Suggestion ==
Note: Could the page be edited to include the use of the term Neuordnung in Nazi propaganda, referring to a world order due to historical significance? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


An appropriate edit to be made here is to move the Rothkopf and/or the Marxist interpretations into the intro paragraphs of this article. The last sentence of the intro paragraphs, specifically: "Those political scientists are concerned that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues", should be followed up by the Rothkopf/Marxist interpretation as a counter to this, in saying that through elite ran neo-imperialism and capitalistic/financial globalization, there is a legitimate risk of western civilization descending into a new form of totalitarianism on a possible global scale. 1-2 extra paragraphs for the intro on this is not a big problem. If there's an argument against, there should be an argument for, one based off of elite theory and geo-political reality, and shouldn't be buried to the bottom half of the article. As it currently stands, this intro is slanted to one side, and can miseducate people on what is a vital civic matter by using loaded words and one-sided analysis for the intro, which most people wont read past especially when so much of the intro is filled with stigmatized, loaded language. Just my two-cents that I feel would make this article much better and educational. I'd attempt the edit myself but its protected. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:36, 2 August 2021 </span>
Could the page reference the occasions where United States President George Bush spoke the words "New World Order" to delineate the use of the phrase as opposed to this conspiracy theory? ] (]) 12:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
*We actually have an entire separate article for things like this... see: ] (which is already linked on the page). ] (]) 13:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)


:Interesting how you characterize the ''left''-wing interpretation as inherently "legitimate". <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Mass surveillance not a conspiracy theory. ==
::I added the date to the contribution you responded to. Nobody has been interested in it for two years. --] (]) 06:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
:::That simpy is Not Factual. There is Alot of interest,considering J. Biden saying "How I learned to love the New World Order" and "Thus, in setting an American Agenda for a New World Order, we must begin with a Profound Alteration in Traditional Thought". Also, article should include Henry A. Kissinger saying "The one thing man Fears is the Unknown. When presented w/ this scenario, Individual Rights will be Willingly Relinquished for the guarantee of their Well-Being granted to them by a World Government, a New World Order....and we musn't forget Pope John Paul II quote, "By the end of this decade we will live under the first One World Government that has ever existed in the society of Nations...a Government with Absolute Authority to decide the basic issues of Human Survival. One World Government is inevitable" ] (]) 13:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)


==WEF hasn't gotten the message==
NSA with google(android, search engine and youtube), apple(smartphones/tablets and computers) and facebook knows everything about us. Whats the conspiracy about this? They even have facial recognition and digital prints to open the phones. Documents from wikileaks and Edward Snowden revealed this.
I know that isn't a reliable source, but when the WEF openly discusses it and says that they're trying to achieve it, then it contradicts the narrative of this article that it's a "conspiracy theory." One of the weirdest things about this topic is that Western establishment media is saying that it's a fallacy, while the WEF elites openly use the phrase in discussions about how they're trying to reorganize global governance. ] (]) 23:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
: Where does the article state that the NSA's mass surveillance is a conspiracy theory? I don't see that. ] (]) 10:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
:The problem is that there is no single, unarguable definition of New World Order. So what you think you're talking about when you say New World Order may be very different from what a particular speaker at WEF means. ] (]) 23:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
::Seems to me these people have an "ends justify the means" mentality. If one has to make lying and Deception the way to fundamentally change the world, chances are no one would want it. ] (]) 13:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
::Just as with any expansive subject there can be multiple and layered facets, interpretations, objectives, etc. Labeling the NWO as a conspiracy theory is inherently dismissive and reductionist. During the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE THE "NEW WORLD ORDER" A RECIPE FOR WAR or PEACE! sponsored by Perdana Global Peace Foundation in 2015 there is very explicit delineation of what the NWO will consist of and how it is to be implemented: https://rairfoundation.com/flashback-former-malaysian-prime-minister-warned-elites-want-to-reduce-world-population-to-1-billion-videos/. We are currently seeing it coming to fruition via among other tactics, the WHO power grab, via which all nations will cede sovereignty to the WHO (https://jamesroguski.substack.com?utm_source=navbar&utm_medium=web&r=ez5o2) along with the civil rights of their citizens - freedom will no longer exist. ] (]) 07:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
:::(After Edit conflict) The source of that article, the RAIR Foundation, describes itself as "''a grassroots, activist and investigative organization comprised of everyday Americans leading a movement to reclaim our Republic from the network of individuals and organizations waging war on Americans, our constitution, our borders and our Judeo-Christian values''." That's clearly not an objective starting position. It assumes that the corruption and evil acts they claim are happening, simply ARE happening. The fact that it claims that Mahathir Mohamad claimed that the NWO is happening, proves. nothing. Have you paid any attention to any other claims from Mahathir Mohamad? Do you know anything else about him? One obscure article in an obscure publication (we don't have an article on the RAIR Foundation) proves absolutely nothing. This is not a useful contribution to this article. ] (]) 08:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
:::""To achieve World Government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men,their Individualism,Loyalty to Family Traditions, National Patriotism and Religious Dogmas"-Brock Chisholm, 1st Dir.-Gen. of the WHO. ] (]) 14:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
:Great comment...i think of Clinton's Deputy Sec.of State Strobe Talbot, who said in a Time magazine interview, "In the next century, Nations as we know it will be Obsolete; All Nation States will recognize a Single, Global Authority… National Sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all"...Also, the quote by Brock Chisholm, 1st Dir.-Gen. of the WHO, "To achieve World Government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men,their Individualism,Loyalty to Family Traditions, National Patriotism and Religious Dogmas".. And Willy Brandt,Former Chancellor of Germany saying,"The New World Order is a world that has a SuperNational Authority to regulate World Commerce and Industry; an International Organization that would control the Production and Consumption of Oil; an International Currency that would Replace the Dollar; a World Development Fund that would make funds available to Free and Communist Nations alike; and an International Police Force to Enforce the Edicts of the New World Order." ] (]) 13:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)


== Georgia Guidestones ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020 ==


Someone needs to update this part under New World Order: they have been blown up. One source: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/28/1113855150/a-georgia-monument-was-destroyed-locals-blame-conspiracy-theories ] (]) 15:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Removed : ‘conspiracy theory’, NWO is now widely published and factual. ] (]) 15:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
: I doubt that. In any case, to make that change we'd need ] sources that back up your claim. ] (]) 15:43, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 16:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2023 ==
==2020 Covid==
This page needs updating to recognize recent events. I think we have to accept the New World Order has arrived. Unlock please, so an open discussion is possible, or are Wiki admins part of the problem?


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:Our articles aren't places for discussion at all, and talk pages are only for discussion of the article, not the subject. As our articles depend upon ] you'd need sources adding Covid as part of the conspiracy theory (note this article is about the conspiracy theory, you seem to have missed that also). ] ] 11:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
the NWO being a conspiracy theory.. its not a theory. Ronald Reagan gave a speech citing the words for a future NWO. so did bush sr. get with the facts


this isnt annedit but why ive come to see from wickedpedia.
First at all, an article is about a subject, therefore it is impossible to talk about the article and not to talk about the subject.
these days-
Second, the NWO is not only a conspiracy, it is something real and the politicians themselves have admitted when talking in formal speeches. ] (]) 20:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
wickipedia is nothing more than liberal agenda trash, hiding truth for a far left narrative.
::Again, we require reliable sources. IF there are reliable sources that say someone has connected Covid to the NWO, then we can discuss it. As it is, all we have is an anonymous poster on the internet hinting that there might be some connection (not even saying it out right).
::As for your second point… there is a HUGE difference between politicians talking about '''a''' new world order, and '''The''' New World Order that is talked about in conspiracy circles. This is why we have a separate article about what the politicians say (see: ])] (]) 21:46, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


get writers and editors who are independent, unbiased *factual* writers who write facts not this fictitious narrative ] (]) 18:30, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
== Notable Believers section ==
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 18:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2023 ==
{{ping|Blueboar}} Howdy. Just wanted to let you know that I disagree with . Probably an uphill battle since it's a "good article" with lots of editors and opinions. But the section I added is definitely useful and a time saver. Took me a couple of minutes to read through the prose and figure out who was just mentioned vs who actually believed the theory. Which is why I created the section. To save time and concisely present useful information. Thanks. –] <small>(])</small> 14:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
*Respect that... however, there are several issues with the list: 1) it omits context. The NWO conspiracy is not one single theory, but multiple theories with intertwining threads. Different proponents believe different things, and they often disagree with each other. Creating a “list of believers” makes it seem as if they all believe the same thing... which they don’t. 2) As it was, the list was woefully incomplete... focused purely on modern TV and Radio personalities, and omitting historical “believers” who actually played a larger role in the history and development of the theories.
:Sometimes trying to simplify and “save time” actually does the reader a disservice. ] (]) 14:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2021 ==


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A conspiracy just means two or more people are involved in a common goal. So a conspiracy is actually correct for this theory. ] (]) 15:01, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
changee charachterised to charachterized ] (]) 15:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> "Charactise" and "characterize" look like they're just words that have ]. According to Misplaced Pages's ], "An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another." Unfortunately I can't find any words in the article that would indicate what variety of English it's using, happy to be proven wrong. ] (]) 17:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC) :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> --] (]) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2021 ==


==We must work together to build a *new world order*. This is how we can do it==
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It's literally the title of a WEF initiative: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/12/we-must-work-together-to-build-a-new-world-order-china-russia-us/
Please remove
] (]) 01:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:Did you read past the title? Did you notice that the ONLY time the expression "''new world order''" is used is in the title of the article? Those three words on their own are harmless. It's just an expression to collectively describe the changing relationships between countries and regions in the period the article describes. It is NOT a threat to anyone or anything. It is NOT a conspiracy theory! ] (]) 02:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::It's literally the title of this article. Misplaced Pages article should NOT cherry-pick things that are strictly about "negative" usages". If other people use the term, the current article should at least mention it and explain the confusion, not pretend that the term is "a conspiracy theory" and nobody at the world economic forum uses it. ] (]) 19:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
:::You don't get it. The article is not about those three words, it is about a certain concept which is connected with those three words. And your link contains those three words in the title, but is not about the same concept. --] (]) 07:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
::::Theories about the WEF's "Great Reset" are linked to the New World Order theory , does that help? I was honestly surprised to see no mention of the WEF in this article. — ]] 17:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Quite frankly, I find writing about this stuff quite painful. As soon as I do some nutter or nutters will arrive with a collection of ridiculous conspiracy theories about all this. Have you had a look at our ] article? The final paragraph of the lead there describes the problem well. ] (]) 02:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::wow name calling, best way to have a discussion, very mature!
::::::if it's that painful, don't do it?
::::::good luck, peace ] (]) 19:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::And? This article is about a conspiracy theory, and I've shown how in modern times it has been linked with conspiracy theories about the WEF and the Great Reset using a credible source (by Misplaced Pages's standards) known as the BBC. As the previous poster said, if it's painful, don't do it. — ]] 16:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


== Denver Airport ==
nudging people constantly and covertly in the direction


I think that the Denver Airport should be mentioned because many people who believe this New World Order conspiracy usually cite the Denver airport's delays in building, size and large amounts of spending. Maybe a section should be added for it? ] (]) 21:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
and add


== WEF ==
constantly nudging people covertly in the direction


An IP editor recently posted that the article should have a section on the World Economic Forum (WEF). The post was (correctly) removed, as it was essentially just a rant (trying to convince us of the truth of the claim).
Thank you. ] (]) 16:51, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
However, I do think this is something we need to consider. In recent years there has been an increasing trend for NWO conspiracy theorists to focus on their belief that the WEF is somehow tied to the NWO… and that is a trend that I think our article could mention (if for no other reason than completeness in explaining what the theorists claim). I doubt this trend rates an entire section -it is still a relatively new addition to the whole NWO zeitgeist, and thus may not (yet) be commented upon by reliable sources that analyze the shifting trends in NWO theory… but perhaps it does rate a sentence or two in passing? Please discuss. ] (]) 14:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
:"thus may not (yet) be commented upon by reliable sources" You are answering your own request. We can not add something without available sources. ] (]) 14:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::”Thus MAY not (yet) be commented upon”… but MIGHT be (I don’t know… That’s why I am asking for some discussion). I am definitely not suggesting that we add unsourced (or poorly sourced) material… just noting that we have a gap in our coverage of the topic. And since there are editors here who have a much better sense of the sourcing than I do, I am asking them to look into it. Nothing more. ] (]) 16:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:::There is a perfectly reliable source that I gave in an above section a short while before this discussion started https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-57532368 — ]] 16:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::::This response “There is a perfectly reliable source that I gave…” is within itself biased and problematic. One source is never perfect or reliable but you already knew that. This is why wiki suffers and constantly has to beg for money. You want to lie to people and spread a narrative that we with our own eyes know to be untrue. There is absolutely no conspiracy theory that millions of third world non-conforming non-contributing people have been sponsored from around the globe to relocate and break laws by illegally invading all first world countries at the exact same time. You have no integrity or ability to tell the true. You just deflect from your perfectly reliable paid source.
::::https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/05/28/a-new-wave-of-mass-migration-has-begun ] (]) 05:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{tq|This is why wiki suffers and constantly has to beg for money.}} Do a quick web search on Misplaced Pages's finances and you will find that Misplaced Pages is doing just fine. Misplaced Pages asks for donations to be independent from corporate interests.
:::::The rest of your post is just outright nonsense and not supported by The Economist article you linked to. ] (]) 09:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::Who said I want to lie to people? Conspiracy theories about the WEF are linked to the NWO conspiracy theory. That's a fact. I didn't come here to claim that the NWO is a real conspiracy. I would go on social media if I wanted to do that. Did you read the BBC article? You know what the BBC is don't you? — ]] 17:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::Having looked into it a bit further… the problem is indeed that the conspiracy theory connecting the WEF to NWO is too ''recent'' for scholarly (ie reliable) sources to have picked up on it (ie comment upon it). That will probably happen… but it has not happened YET. To mention it ''now'' would give it UNDUE weight. ] (]) 17:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


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Please replace "characterised" with "characterized" because the rest of the article uses American spellings ("stigmatized" and "center" for example, not "stigmatised" and "centre"), so "characterised" is a misspelling in that context. ] (]) 16:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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== New world order date is ready and no longer a conspiracy ==
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] → {{no redirect|New World Order conspiracy theory}} – The practice of placing the phrase "conspiracy theory" directly after the name of said conspiracy theory is common in other Misplaced Pages articles such as ], ], and ]. And ] recommends using natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation when possible. ] (]) 05:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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:'''Not opposed''' - however, I do note that we have other articles that use parentheses… examples: ] and ]. So it isn’t as if this is a consistent convention either way. ] (]) 12:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 05:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
::I think "Spygate" is commonly used to refer to the conspiracy theory ''itself'', which might explain/justify the variation. ] (]) 06:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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:'''Support'''{{snd}}The article isn't about a new world order, it's about ''the conspiracy theory about'' a new world order. If it wouldn't belong at the title "X" (] aside), it shouldn't have the title "X (disambiguator)". ] (]) 06:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Disambiguation is needed to distinguish this article from ]. The question is simply whether to disambiguate parenthetically or not. ] (]) 11:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:::In the interest of finding a crux, do you think "Red Scare" needs to be disambiguated from "Red"? ] (]) 14:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Well… the word “Red” itself needs disambiguation (for example, we have articles on ] and ]). As for ]… I think that is an irrelevant example - because the term “Red scare” does not need disambiguation while the phrase “New World Order” does.
::::Note that I’m ''not'' arguing that the non-parenthetical ] is in some way an unacceptable form of disambiguation… I’m just noting that with NWO there ''is'' a need to disambiguate, and that the ''other'' NWO article uses parentheses. Make of that what you will. ] (]) 15:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think ] ''is'' relevant, because it's a good analogy for why this article ''doesn't'' need disambiguation. Disambiguation solves the issue of "two articles want the same title", like how redirects solve the issue of "two titles want the same article". As I see it, this article wouldn't belong at the title ], even if there were no other article vying for that title. That means its current title is just as incorrect as "Red (scare)" would be. ] (]) 16:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::TL;DR: The subject of this article isn't an {{tq|order}}, it's a {{tq|theory}}. ]s don't belong in parentheses. ] (]) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Biased/slanted article intro

An appropriate edit to be made here is to move the Rothkopf and/or the Marxist interpretations into the intro paragraphs of this article. The last sentence of the intro paragraphs, specifically: "Those political scientists are concerned that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues", should be followed up by the Rothkopf/Marxist interpretation as a counter to this, in saying that through elite ran neo-imperialism and capitalistic/financial globalization, there is a legitimate risk of western civilization descending into a new form of totalitarianism on a possible global scale. 1-2 extra paragraphs for the intro on this is not a big problem. If there's an argument against, there should be an argument for, one based off of elite theory and geo-political reality, and shouldn't be buried to the bottom half of the article. As it currently stands, this intro is slanted to one side, and can miseducate people on what is a vital civic matter by using loaded words and one-sided analysis for the intro, which most people wont read past especially when so much of the intro is filled with stigmatized, loaded language. Just my two-cents that I feel would make this article much better and educational. I'd attempt the edit myself but its protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.214.235.80 (talkcontribs) 21:36, 2 August 2021

Interesting how you characterize the left-wing interpretation as inherently "legitimate". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:5178:E400:5993:4E9F:AED5:A0B8 (talk) 00:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
I added the date to the contribution you responded to. Nobody has been interested in it for two years. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
That simpy is Not Factual. There is Alot of interest,considering J. Biden saying "How I learned to love the New World Order" and "Thus, in setting an American Agenda for a New World Order, we must begin with a Profound Alteration in Traditional Thought". Also, article should include Henry A. Kissinger saying "The one thing man Fears is the Unknown. When presented w/ this scenario, Individual Rights will be Willingly Relinquished for the guarantee of their Well-Being granted to them by a World Government, a New World Order....and we musn't forget Pope John Paul II quote, "By the end of this decade we will live under the first One World Government that has ever existed in the society of Nations...a Government with Absolute Authority to decide the basic issues of Human Survival. One World Government is inevitable" 205.147.76.160 (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

WEF hasn't gotten the message

WEF discussion on the New World Order I know that isn't a reliable source, but when the WEF openly discusses it and says that they're trying to achieve it, then it contradicts the narrative of this article that it's a "conspiracy theory." One of the weirdest things about this topic is that Western establishment media is saying that it's a fallacy, while the WEF elites openly use the phrase in discussions about how they're trying to reorganize global governance. 108.18.156.124 (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that there is no single, unarguable definition of New World Order. So what you think you're talking about when you say New World Order may be very different from what a particular speaker at WEF means. HiLo48 (talk) 23:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Seems to me these people have an "ends justify the means" mentality. If one has to make lying and Deception the way to fundamentally change the world, chances are no one would want it. 174.251.209.55 (talk) 13:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Just as with any expansive subject there can be multiple and layered facets, interpretations, objectives, etc. Labeling the NWO as a conspiracy theory is inherently dismissive and reductionist. During the INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE THE "NEW WORLD ORDER" A RECIPE FOR WAR or PEACE! sponsored by Perdana Global Peace Foundation in 2015 there is very explicit delineation of what the NWO will consist of and how it is to be implemented: https://rairfoundation.com/flashback-former-malaysian-prime-minister-warned-elites-want-to-reduce-world-population-to-1-billion-videos/. We are currently seeing it coming to fruition via among other tactics, the WHO power grab, via which all nations will cede sovereignty to the WHO (https://jamesroguski.substack.com?utm_source=navbar&utm_medium=web&r=ez5o2) along with the civil rights of their citizens - freedom will no longer exist. Kittyflop (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
(After Edit conflict) The source of that article, the RAIR Foundation, describes itself as "a grassroots, activist and investigative organization comprised of everyday Americans leading a movement to reclaim our Republic from the network of individuals and organizations waging war on Americans, our constitution, our borders and our Judeo-Christian values." That's clearly not an objective starting position. It assumes that the corruption and evil acts they claim are happening, simply ARE happening. The fact that it claims that Mahathir Mohamad claimed that the NWO is happening, proves. nothing. Have you paid any attention to any other claims from Mahathir Mohamad? Do you know anything else about him? One obscure article in an obscure publication (we don't have an article on the RAIR Foundation) proves absolutely nothing. This is not a useful contribution to this article. HiLo48 (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
""To achieve World Government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men,their Individualism,Loyalty to Family Traditions, National Patriotism and Religious Dogmas"-Brock Chisholm, 1st Dir.-Gen. of the WHO. 205.147.76.160 (talk) 14:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Great comment...i think of Clinton's Deputy Sec.of State Strobe Talbot, who said in a Time magazine interview, "In the next century, Nations as we know it will be Obsolete; All Nation States will recognize a Single, Global Authority… National Sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all"...Also, the quote by Brock Chisholm, 1st Dir.-Gen. of the WHO, "To achieve World Government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men,their Individualism,Loyalty to Family Traditions, National Patriotism and Religious Dogmas".. And Willy Brandt,Former Chancellor of Germany saying,"The New World Order is a world that has a SuperNational Authority to regulate World Commerce and Industry; an International Organization that would control the Production and Consumption of Oil; an International Currency that would Replace the Dollar; a World Development Fund that would make funds available to Free and Communist Nations alike; and an International Police Force to Enforce the Edicts of the New World Order." 205.147.76.160 (talk) 13:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Georgia Guidestones

Someone needs to update this part under New World Order: they have been blown up. One source: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/28/1113855150/a-georgia-monument-was-destroyed-locals-blame-conspiracy-theories 72.162.228.254 (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

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the NWO being a conspiracy theory.. its not a theory. Ronald Reagan gave a speech citing the words for a future NWO. so did bush sr. get with the facts

this isnt annedit but why ive come to see from wickedpedia. these days- wickipedia is nothing more than liberal agenda trash, hiding truth for a far left narrative.

get writers and editors who are independent, unbiased *factual* writers who write facts not this fictitious narrative 24.184.169.217 (talk) 18:30, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Heart 18:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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A conspiracy just means two or more people are involved in a common goal. So a conspiracy is actually correct for this theory. 104.218.65.3 (talk) 15:01, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Pinchme123 (talk) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


We must work together to build a *new world order*. This is how we can do it

It's literally the title of a WEF initiative: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/12/we-must-work-together-to-build-a-new-world-order-china-russia-us/ 86.120.128.190 (talk) 01:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Did you read past the title? Did you notice that the ONLY time the expression "new world order" is used is in the title of the article? Those three words on their own are harmless. It's just an expression to collectively describe the changing relationships between countries and regions in the period the article describes. It is NOT a threat to anyone or anything. It is NOT a conspiracy theory! HiLo48 (talk) 02:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
It's literally the title of this article. Misplaced Pages article should NOT cherry-pick things that are strictly about "negative" usages". If other people use the term, the current article should at least mention it and explain the confusion, not pretend that the term is "a conspiracy theory" and nobody at the world economic forum uses it. 86.120.128.190 (talk) 19:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
You don't get it. The article is not about those three words, it is about a certain concept which is connected with those three words. And your link contains those three words in the title, but is not about the same concept. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Theories about the WEF's "Great Reset" are linked to the New World Order theory , does that help? I was honestly surprised to see no mention of the WEF in this article. — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 17:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Quite frankly, I find writing about this stuff quite painful. As soon as I do some nutter or nutters will arrive with a collection of ridiculous conspiracy theories about all this. Have you had a look at our Great Reset article? The final paragraph of the lead there describes the problem well. HiLo48 (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
wow name calling, best way to have a discussion, very mature!
if it's that painful, don't do it?
good luck, peace 69.172.161.194 (talk) 19:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
And? This article is about a conspiracy theory, and I've shown how in modern times it has been linked with conspiracy theories about the WEF and the Great Reset using a credible source (by Misplaced Pages's standards) known as the BBC. As the previous poster said, if it's painful, don't do it. — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 16:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Denver Airport

I think that the Denver Airport should be mentioned because many people who believe this New World Order conspiracy usually cite the Denver airport's delays in building, size and large amounts of spending. Maybe a section should be added for it? BasedGigachad (talk) 21:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

WEF

An IP editor recently posted that the article should have a section on the World Economic Forum (WEF). The post was (correctly) removed, as it was essentially just a rant (trying to convince us of the truth of the claim). However, I do think this is something we need to consider. In recent years there has been an increasing trend for NWO conspiracy theorists to focus on their belief that the WEF is somehow tied to the NWO… and that is a trend that I think our article could mention (if for no other reason than completeness in explaining what the theorists claim). I doubt this trend rates an entire section -it is still a relatively new addition to the whole NWO zeitgeist, and thus may not (yet) be commented upon by reliable sources that analyze the shifting trends in NWO theory… but perhaps it does rate a sentence or two in passing? Please discuss. Blueboar (talk) 14:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

"thus may not (yet) be commented upon by reliable sources" You are answering your own request. We can not add something without available sources. Dimadick (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
”Thus MAY not (yet) be commented upon”… but MIGHT be (I don’t know… That’s why I am asking for some discussion). I am definitely not suggesting that we add unsourced (or poorly sourced) material… just noting that we have a gap in our coverage of the topic. And since there are editors here who have a much better sense of the sourcing than I do, I am asking them to look into it. Nothing more. Blueboar (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a perfectly reliable source that I gave in an above section a short while before this discussion started https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-57532368🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 16:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
This response “There is a perfectly reliable source that I gave…” is within itself biased and problematic. One source is never perfect or reliable but you already knew that. This is why wiki suffers and constantly has to beg for money. You want to lie to people and spread a narrative that we with our own eyes know to be untrue. There is absolutely no conspiracy theory that millions of third world non-conforming non-contributing people have been sponsored from around the globe to relocate and break laws by illegally invading all first world countries at the exact same time. You have no integrity or ability to tell the true. You just deflect from your perfectly reliable paid source.
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/05/28/a-new-wave-of-mass-migration-has-begun Anflexboi (talk) 05:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
This is why wiki suffers and constantly has to beg for money. Do a quick web search on Misplaced Pages's finances and you will find that Misplaced Pages is doing just fine. Misplaced Pages asks for donations to be independent from corporate interests.
The rest of your post is just outright nonsense and not supported by The Economist article you linked to. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Who said I want to lie to people? Conspiracy theories about the WEF are linked to the NWO conspiracy theory. That's a fact. I didn't come here to claim that the NWO is a real conspiracy. I would go on social media if I wanted to do that. Did you read the BBC article? You know what the BBC is don't you? — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 17:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Having looked into it a bit further… the problem is indeed that the conspiracy theory connecting the WEF to NWO is too recent for scholarly (ie reliable) sources to have picked up on it (ie comment upon it). That will probably happen… but it has not happened YET. To mention it now would give it UNDUE weight. Blueboar (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. I don't see an oppose. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe 14:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


New World Order (conspiracy theory)New World Order conspiracy theory – The practice of placing the phrase "conspiracy theory" directly after the name of said conspiracy theory is common in other Misplaced Pages articles such as Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, white genocide conspiracy theory, and Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory. And WP:NCDAB recommends using natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation when possible. PBZE (talk) 05:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Not opposed - however, I do note that we have other articles that use parentheses… examples: Spygate (conspiracy theory) and Shadow government (conspiracy theory). So it isn’t as if this is a consistent convention either way. Blueboar (talk) 12:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
I think "Spygate" is commonly used to refer to the conspiracy theory itself, which might explain/justify the variation. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Support – The article isn't about a new world order, it's about the conspiracy theory about a new world order. If it wouldn't belong at the title "X" (WP:PRITOP aside), it shouldn't have the title "X (disambiguator)". jlwoodwa (talk) 06:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Disambiguation is needed to distinguish this article from New World Order (politics). The question is simply whether to disambiguate parenthetically or not. Blueboar (talk) 11:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
In the interest of finding a crux, do you think "Red Scare" needs to be disambiguated from "Red"? jlwoodwa (talk) 14:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Well… the word “Red” itself needs disambiguation (for example, we have articles on Red (political adjective) and Red (nickname)). As for Red scare… I think that is an irrelevant example - because the term “Red scare” does not need disambiguation while the phrase “New World Order” does.
Note that I’m not arguing that the non-parenthetical New World Order conspiracy theory is in some way an unacceptable form of disambiguation… I’m just noting that with NWO there is a need to disambiguate, and that the other NWO article uses parentheses. Make of that what you will. Blueboar (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
I think Red Scare is relevant, because it's a good analogy for why this article doesn't need disambiguation. Disambiguation solves the issue of "two articles want the same title", like how redirects solve the issue of "two titles want the same article". As I see it, this article wouldn't belong at the title New World Order, even if there were no other article vying for that title. That means its current title is just as incorrect as "Red (scare)" would be. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
TL;DR: The subject of this article isn't an order, it's a theory. Head nouns don't belong in parentheses. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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