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==Replace Photo?==

Can the photo be replaced with the one on the National Archives page (listed in the External Links section)? As it is originally from the records of the Selective Service System, I do not believe there is any copyright.

==Passage about Religion==
"York’s old friends tried to persuade him to go drinking, but he continually refused. It took a lot of moral courage for York to remain firmly committed to His Lord. But with the strength of the Holy Spirit and his personal resolve, York remained on the Lord’s side. This sharpened York’s character and moral courage, directly contributing to his heroic deeds in the midst of battle only two years later." Whoa. I understand that Christianity was a major influence on York, but this sounds like it reads from a Christian pamphlet about him. However, I can see incorporating something -like- this if someone has a source on York saying something like this. Otherwise, it needs to be rewritten. Any ideas? ] 22:42 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the question. Strong words about York's faith? Too strong for the times we live in? Perhaps, as many Americans today are squeamish about things of faith. But, your point is well taken and historians must cite sources. Here are the primary sources. This, as the article, is based upon York's own words. Please take the time to review the following sources. Please write back if you wish the complete dose of sources.

Richard Wheeler, ed., Sergeant York and the Great War (Mantle Ministries; Bulverde, TX, 1998).
The Diary of Alvin York, 18 October 2001 at http://acacia.pair.com/Acacia.Vignettes/The.Diary.of.Alvin.York.html
The Diary of SGT York, 18 October 2001 at http://volweb.utk.edu/school/York/diary.html
Interview with Colonel Gerald York, grandson of Alvin York, in April 1996.
http://volweb.utk.edu/Schools/York/biography.html Alvin C. York by Gladys Williams
COL Jeff O'Leary, Brave Hearts under Red Skies

==York's Faith==

It is refreshing to have an honest and accurate article in Misplaced Pages about York's faith. This faith is what makes the York story different from the average war story and biography. The article helped to explain to me why there was something different about York and I now understand. Thanks for the excellent article that put everything together in a clear and very well documented manner. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) {{{Time|05:29, August 23, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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There are complaints about the accuracy of Mastriano's book, including the description of the photograph on the dust jacket and thirty-five citations that are believed to be fraudulent. The work in question, ''Alvin York: A New Biography of the Hero of the Argonne'' and should probably not be cited in this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> There are complaints about the accuracy of Mastriano's book, including the description of the photograph on the dust jacket and thirty-five citations that are believed to be fraudulent. The work in question, ''Alvin York: A New Biography of the Hero of the Argonne'' and should probably not be cited in this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


The University Press of Kentucky confirmed the factual-errors reported in Mastriano's book. Therefore, it is not a reliable source and should not be cited in this article. The University Press of Kentucky confirmed the factual-errors reported in Mastriano's book. Therefore, it is not a reliable source and should not be cited in this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC)</span>

:Agreed! James Gregory's book is much more thoroughly researched and his is an actual historian. He spent 4 years working to uncover the best possible information in his book. ] (]) 09:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

== „Gathering 35 machine guns“ ==

This sounds like an exaggeration. This is what Lt. Col. Taylor V. Beattie has to say about it:


„The assertion that Sergeant York captured 35 machine guns on October 8, 1918 remains unsubstantiated. There are no official military records that indicate York brought in any captured machine guns with the patrol.“ (warfarehistorynetwork.com)







] (]) 18:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

:There has been further vandalism in this article, including this number (it now says 357). Don't know how to mark so someone checks it ] (]) 21:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

== Unraveling the Myth of Sgt. Alvin York: The Other Sixteen by James Gregory ==

Parts of this article is based largely on "myth" of Alvin York that evolved out of the War Department's intentional revision of the story to make it sound like York Acted individually in several respects when in fact there were several other men (all privates I believe) who were actively fighting with him throughout the defeat of the German stronghold. The article should be revised in light of the new and much more accurate information in James Gregory's book. This would make it far more historically accurate and fair to the other men who were initially omitted from the event. I wish that I had time to do it but I don't, but I thought the opinion should be noted in case it could be accomplished in the future. ] (]) 09:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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Use of Mastriano's book as a source?

There are complaints about the accuracy of Mastriano's book, including the description of the photograph on the dust jacket and thirty-five citations that are believed to be fraudulent. The work in question, Alvin York: A New Biography of the Hero of the Argonne may not be a reliable source and should probably not be cited in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.158.58 (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

The University Press of Kentucky confirmed the factual-errors reported in Mastriano's book. Therefore, it is not a reliable source and should not be cited in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamespgj (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Agreed! James Gregory's book is much more thoroughly researched and his is an actual historian. He spent 4 years working to uncover the best possible information in his book. 68.50.255.172 (talk) 09:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

„Gathering 35 machine guns“

This sounds like an exaggeration. This is what Lt. Col. Taylor V. Beattie has to say about it:


„The assertion that Sergeant York captured 35 machine guns on October 8, 1918 remains unsubstantiated. There are no official military records that indicate York brought in any captured machine guns with the patrol.“ (warfarehistorynetwork.com)




2A01:598:A122:DFA1:246A:F660:660E:598 (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There has been further vandalism in this article, including this number (it now says 357). Don't know how to mark so someone checks it 146.168.24.132 (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Unraveling the Myth of Sgt. Alvin York: The Other Sixteen by James Gregory

Parts of this article is based largely on "myth" of Alvin York that evolved out of the War Department's intentional revision of the story to make it sound like York Acted individually in several respects when in fact there were several other men (all privates I believe) who were actively fighting with him throughout the defeat of the German stronghold. The article should be revised in light of the new and much more accurate information in James Gregory's book. This would make it far more historically accurate and fair to the other men who were initially omitted from the event. I wish that I had time to do it but I don't, but I thought the opinion should be noted in case it could be accomplished in the future. 68.50.255.172 (talk) 09:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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