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== RfC: Queen of Hip-Hop == |
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How do we correctly mention that Nicki Minaj has been called the ] by reputable publications such as and , whilst keeping it balanced and not over-puffed? In my opinion, it's perfectly possible to make note of in the lead that she's been called the "Queen of Hip-Hop" and the "Queen of Rap" by reputable news sources while still following ] and being fair, minimalist, and concise. I'm pinging some people of note in the earlier discussion and also those who can comment: {{reply to|Cybertrip|Jurisdicta|AshMusique|Cullen328|VersaceSpace|CAMERAwMUSTACHE|MarioSoulTruthFan|Yikes2004|SunriseInBrooklyn|Blarb48}} |
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] (open to suggestions and changes, and implemented some ideas in the earlier RfC discussion) that tries to keep a balance between this moniker and keeping the lead balanced. Thank you. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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(invited by the bot) I have no expertise in this area, but "queen of hip hop" seems like something that would be debated. The extra safe route would be to simply list which prominent publications said that. <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 12:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:Just to be clear, the proposed biography says: ''Minaj has been referred to as the ] by some western publications such as ], ], ], and ]'' Along with sources for said publications referring to her as the "Queen of Hip-Hop." ]<sup>]</sup> 13:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. I think the current lead is fine and going off of what I said in the previous RfC a couple of sources that I linked above said the nickname was self-proclaimed, which is enough to give me hesitancy in adding it to the lead. Add it to legacy, sure, but there’s too much inconsistency in the nicknames for me to be good with adding it to the lead. Besides, her notable achievements are there already. I feel like being one of the top female rappers and one of the top selling female artists is way more notable and lead-worthy than a nickname. If the nickname does get added to the lead, I think it should be added after the Billboard sentence so it would read “She has received numerous accolades, and ranked as Billboard's top female rapper of the 2010s, as well as seventh among the top female artists of the decade. Her notable achievements have led some publications such as The New York Times and NPR to call her the Queen of Hip-Hop.” But, again, it’s not really something I’m not 100% sure goes in the lead. Being one of the greatest female rappers of all time is much less disputed and already there. ] (]) 15:01, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*:Yes, Minaj has called herself the "Queen of Rap" in verses, but there have been instances of genuine publications referring to her as the Queen of Hip Hop. Prominence is a huge factor here. If this was a one off, i.e only one publication has called her the Queen of Hip Hop, I'd understand better, but in all honesty there's way too many reputable sources consistently referring to her as the Queen of Hip Hop again and again- all the sources I linked branch off for multiple years, some in 2015 and some in 2017. Also, Minaj is not called one of the "greatest female rapper" in the lead, I don't know where you got that. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose:''' Several valid reasons why from editors in previous rfc, no point in me echoing them. Current lead is better than previous version(s). ] (]) 16:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak Oppose''' Well its kinda obvious she's not the only the female who referred as "Queen of Hip Hop", like ], ] and ], they're all referred as the same nickname. <span style="border:2px solid black;margin-top:2px;bottom:2px;font- verdana;background:skyblue" > ] ]</span> 16:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*:Minaj's nickname, as sourced above, has the most prominence. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:43, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' the current lead is fine and balanced; reasons to not include nickname there were already explained multiple times in the previous talk. ] (]) 18:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' If the publication goes "the selfed claimed queen of rap", then it's not valid whether is Genius or TNYT. However, if the publication has written "the queen of rap, Minaj has...", then it's valid if the publication is reliable. However, I do think the biggest question here is adding or not to the lead. Despite being a nickname, it should be added. Leads have to grab the attention of a reader and a nickname does that, the reader will think "oh she is..why?" and search for more in the article. Of course, it should be mention in the body of the article the publication along with the achievements that grant her that title. ] (]) 22:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*:The sources I linked make no mention of any self-claim whatsoever. For example, the New York Times says: '''"''Following her “Anaconda” performance last year, which set social media ablaze, the reigning queen of hip-hop takes the stage once more, fresh off her “The Pinkprint” tour."''''' ]<sup>]</sup> 06:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' whatever is being proposed by RogueShanghai. Too many conflicting sources can be found naming others as the Queen of Rap or the Queen of Hip-Hop. Missy Elliott, Mary J. Blige and Queen Latifah keep coming up in the searches. Certainly Blige is more often called the Queen of Hip-Hop Soul, perhaps leaving the non-soul throne to someone else. ] was called the first Queen of Rap by ]. Queen Latifah was profiled as the Queen of Rap in ''New York'' magazine by ] in 1990. ] was called the Queen of Rap, and others continued the moniker. Even ] was Queen of Rap back in the day. <p>Whatever we say about these titles laid on Minaj should be attributed to every source, and kept down in the article body. ] (]) 22:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)</p> |
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*:Yes, but those haven't been called the "Queen of Hip-Hop", at least by contemporaries. Overwhelmingly, media sources have called her the Queen of Hip Hop in contemporary times. Maybe this would be worth mentioning, such as "she has been called the Queen of Hip Hop by contemporary media outlets etc etc." But in general, there are far too many prominent sources to avoid mentioning of the "Queen of Hip-Hop" lead. ]<sup>]</sup> 06:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Leaning oppose''' for reasons given by Binksternet. This is worth mentioning in the article body, as similar appellations/claims are at the articles on Elliott, Blige, Latifah, Shante, Robinson, etc., and ascribed to particular sources. These things do not belong in the lead, as they are clearly non-defining and even contradictory claims, and entirely subjective. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 04:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*:Multiple people being called a similar nickname does not warrant the person being called the said nickname the most to not be called it at all; for example, Lady Gaga is often hailed by critics as the "Queen of Pop," but Madonna is the one called the "Queen of Pop" the most. Both *are* called the Queen of Pop, but Madonna is much more prominent in being called the Queen of Pop. This is a similar situation to Nicki: while others can also be called the Queen of Hip-Hop, such as Missy, Nicki is the one usually most called the Queen of Hip-Hop. If you search "Queen of Rap" on Google, her name and infobox is the one that automatically pops up. ]<sup>]</sup> 08:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per the comments above, the lead looks okay as it is. ] (]) 21:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== change title of paragraph "fat nuts" to something more appropriate == |
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== Vaccine misinformation == |
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{{Notice |small=yes |header=COVID-19 ] notice |style=text-align:center; |{{pb}} Editors are cautioned that this section of the article falls within '''scope''' of ].{{pb}} No '''specific''' restrictions have yet to be placed on the article. ~] (she/they • ]) 12:23, 20 September 2021 (UTC)}} |
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Does anyone have a reliable sources of Nicki Minaj vaccine misinformation. Recently, the White House discussed about the vaccine after her Twitter account was temporary suspended for COVID-19 vaccine misinformation. --] (]) 12:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Well, the government of Trinidad & Tobago said they wasted their time investigating what they called false claims made by her so, take that for what it is. Then there’s the ] disputing it. ] (]) 12:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::Thinking the 'invitation' to the white house, and the 'suspended' twitter claim, both denied, could be included. did it receive enough coverage? ] (]) 17:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Both Minaj and the White House said that a meeting was underway per ]<sup>]</sup> 02:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Trillfendi}} May I ask what you intend to insinuate with "{{tq|make of that what you will}}". If officials and reliable sources say her claims were false, then they were false and that's that. Also, what's the deal with the tongue-in-cheek designation of Dr Antony Fauci as "the head honcho"? ] (]) 11:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Breakthrough with Pink Friday release date == |
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With all due respect please write the right information on nicki minaj for instance on the "Breakthrough with Pink Friday" section it's written that the album was released on November 19 while the real date is November 22 please rectify ] (]) 20:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:With all due respect, Misplaced Pages would need a ] for that change, not just someone's say-so. ] (]) 21:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Eliminating the remaining Forbes sources on this page == |
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The removal of one of my recent edits is justified as Forbes sources are not reliable; I am making this talk section to announce my intent to remove all content this article based on Forbes sources. ] (]) 12:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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I have removed all content based on Forbes.com sources except for the comments of the Infobox. I recommend changing the Infobox sources as well, but there is an existing comment in the Infobox requesting that no changes be made to it without opening discussion in the Talk page. ] (]) 13:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|SALLY 9000}} Did you check to ensure you've only removed "Forbes contributor articles" (]) and ''not'' "Forbes staff articles" (])? ~] (she/they • ]) 13:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{re|TheresNoTime}} Valid point; because Forbes no longer makes the distinction clear in their links, that may have slipped my attention. I see that <strike>you have</strike> begun reverting my edits; to avoid the appearance of edit warring, please take care to check that only Forbes staff articles are reverted. Apologies! ] (]) 13:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::That caught me out too to be honest! Cheers Forbes.... ({{ping|FormalDude}} please ''do'' check to make sure you're only reinstating the staff articles {{p}}) ~] (she/they • ]) 14:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|SALLY 9000}}, I just realised that some of the FORBESCON references can be swapped with other sources, instead of outright deletion of the reference and its accompanying content as well. A search on Google with some of the keywords from the articles should show you alternative sources. ] (]) 20:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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==Hyphenation== |
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I'm noticing that throughout the article a hyphen is used in "number-" whenever it is used as a noun when referring to chart positions. I can't find a corresponding style guideline at MOS and most dictionaries, including , , , , and do not hyphenate the two words. Should we remove the hyphen in these cases? ] (] | ]) 21:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2021 == |
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Is her website. When her name is Googled it shows a site that doesn’t exist mypinkprint.com . After it is corrected to her correct site, hours lately it reverts back to the wrong site again for her. So this means someone is correcting the wrong site, but someone else keeps changing it back to the wrong one. ] (]) 03:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> What does any of this have to do with this Misplaced Pages article? ] (]) 03:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Rationale == |
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{{reply to|Black Kite|FMSky}}, Alright, here's my rationales for all the edits instead of just an "rv". |
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* '''The current lead consensus per the RfC '''dictates to state Minaj as a rapper, singer, and songwriter. This is a well-sourced claim, given that ] has called her the "top" female songwriter in regards to songwriting credits in 2020. |
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* The linked vibe.com source does not mention "decline in radio play"; it is just an example of ONE DJ refusing to play her music; this is ]. Also, mixed critical response goes against the "generally positive" sentence a few sentences earlier. |
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* As I already mentioned, featured articles like Taylor Swift don't mention her drop from number one with Willow; why should it be different for Minaj, given ]? {{tpq|Comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, makes a much more credible case.}} |
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* Call a spade a spade- it's better to mention that the media has referred to Minaj as a fashion icon instead of simply stating that x outlet called her yz. As I'm typing this, that calls Minaj a "fashion icon." |
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* "Personal life and legal issues" is an easy target for fancruft, gossip, and otherwise speculations. ]<sup>]</sup> 10:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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If any editor thinks it might make a viable article, please contribute to the abandoned ]. – ] ] 13:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC) |
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* I have restored part of what you removed as I believe it is well-sourced. The Trollz chart placing stuff is just trivia IMO, although given the level of trivia in the article it's probably not out of place. ] 14:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Is it "Hip hop" or "Hip-hop" == |
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* Come on y'all.. I couldn't give less of a flying ''anything'' about this ], but I do care about people trying to work together. RogueShanghai is trying, maybe they're not getting it right all the time (I know in the past there has been issues), but I honestly feel they're ] giving it a darn good go. Can we try to work together here? I don't want to be the admin who pops in, sees a dispute and drops "{{tq|Remember to ]!}}" but there's some real basics that's not happening here. ~] <sup>(])</sup> 15:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC) |
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I've noticed that on many artists that record in the hip hop genre their pages (profile, singles, albums etc.) all call the genre '''hip hop''', yet just on Minaj's home page it calls her hip''-''hop, yet her albums: |
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*'']'' along with her singles all are labeled as just '''hip hop''' which one is the correct spelling and which one should be used as a rule of thumb as some reviewers on different hip hop related pages write it with the hyphen in their review but then the infobox, it is written without the hyphen? Seems a bit odd? |
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:Her article sources it w/o the hyphen ] (]) 04:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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{{reply to|Cornerstonepicker}}, here's my reasons for all the edits I have made/changed: |
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::Changed it as it was <nowiki>]</nowiki> and not <nowiki>]</nowiki>, the other article is about the culture and not the music ] (A.K.A.) ] 20:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''The current lead consensus''' that was decided by your RfC dictates to state Minaj as a "rapper, singer, and songwriter." You will need consensus to change this. |
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* No one has tried to discuss the relevancy of the "Trollz" paragraph on the talk page, despite that I've been trying to start discussion on this ] |
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* Beam Me Up Scotty being the highest charting hip hop rereleased mixtape in history is reliably sourced.<ref>{{Cite web|date=2021-05-27|title=Nicki Minaj Celebrates The Success Behind ’Beam Me Up Scotty’|url=https://uproxx.com/music/nicki-minaj-celebrates-success-beam-me-up-scotty/|access-date=2021-10-20|website=UPROXX|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|last=Gunn|first=Tamantha|date=2021-05-26|title=Nicki Minaj celebrates the success of ‘Beam Me Up Scotty’|url=https://www.revolt.tv/news/2021/5/26/22455671/nicki-minaj-celebrates-beam-me-up-scotty|access-date=2021-10-20|website=REVOLT|language=en}}</ref> |
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* In the 2017 image, Minaj is looking face forward at the camera; "recentism" isn't really a reason for one image over the other (among reasonable boundaries); see ] and ] for examples. (Both have had more recent images of them come out, but the current lead image is chosen because it is a higher quality well-lit photo.) |
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* "Despite not entering the US Hot 100" How is this relevant to include on a song by a British singer? |
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* GQ did not refer to Minaj as the "Queen of Hip Hop." It referred to her as the "Queen of Rap" in the article. {{tpq|Minaj’s verse contains multitudes, underlining exactly why she remains the indisputable Queen of Rap.}} |
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* "and revamp her legendary bars" is part of the original quote from XXL, why remove it? That's what the magazine said. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |
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