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== Italian IP-hopper removing details regarding celebrities' deaths == | |||
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This has been going on for a long time from several IPs in Italy; I just reverted another of their edits. I reported them to AIV last month but one responding admin requested more details then a second responding admin thought I was requesting a rangeblock. Can ''anything'' be done about this? Some of the involved IPs: | |||
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:Hi {{u|Skywatcher68}}, the large range could be made one of the conditions of an edit filter (]). I have blocked the most recently used address for now, but a filter could prevent the edits or allow them to be found more quickly/easily. ] (]) 08:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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Hi! I wanted to ask your advice on how to handle {{User links|150.195.180.35}}. For over a year, this editor has been making the same edits to one particular article (]). All their edits involved changing the OriginalAirDate parameter in an {{tl|Episode list}} template to add a date for a second country. My reading of the documentation for this template is that this is incorrect; this parameter should have only one date in it, the date of it's actual first airing. Several editors (mostly me but also others) have reverted these edits and I have added quite a few warnings on their talk page, but they have not responded and continue to persistently make these changes every few weeks or so (lately more frequently). I have also explained my reversions in each of my edit summaries but the editor has never used an edit summary. | |||
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This is a pretty minor point and I don't think it rises to the level of vandalism, so I don't think it's proper to bring it to AIV or ANI, and they are not breaking 3RR so AN3 isn't appropriate either. Is there a place that would be appropriate to discuss this? Or perhaps I am in the wrong and should just drop this? Thanks for any advice or help that you can offer. ] (]) 01:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:You're correct about such MOS violations, which MOS I'm not sure, not rising to the level of vandalism but an admin such as ] could place a partial block on the IP to keep them from editing that list of episodes. Misplaced Pages does not list rebroadcasts of episodes or made-for-TV movies and broadcasts of theatrical movies appear to be only in special circumstances, such as '']'' –] (]) 14:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== JesseRafe's disruptive removal of well-referenced material == | |||
:Hi {{u|CodeTalker}}, thank you very much for the notification! {{u|Skywatcher68}} is right about partial blocks; I went ahead and placed a full {{tl|anonblock}} for a year because I'd like to see rather an unblock request than this continuing in other articles. It is edit warring, even if it doesn't violate any short-term restrictions on the number of reverts. You <em>can</em> report such long-term edit wars at ] too, but I've seen reports unnecessarily declined for a lack of 3RR violations too often to be able to say you should have done so. ] (]) 21:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Thank you very much for the help! ] (]) 21:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
As summarized and , user ] has been repeatedly removing well-referenced material from the article ] without justification. No other user has objected to this material. The only reason JesseRafe has given is that they think it "makes the subject look bad", which is not a valid reason per ] and ]. | |||
JesseRafe is engaging in , including the following: | |||
{{quote|An editor reverts justified article changes by different editors repeatedly over an extended period to protect a certain version, stable or not.}} | |||
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{{quote|An editor reverts a good-faith change without providing an edit summary that refers to relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, previous reviews and discussions, reliable sources, or specific grammar or prose problems introduced by the edit. Repeating such no-reason reversions after being asked for a rationale is a strong indicator of ownership behavior.}} | |||
{{quote|An editor comments on other editors' talk pages with the purpose of discouraging them from making additional contributions.}} | |||
JesseRafe also {{Diff|User_talk:JesseRafe|1050768901|1050767892|violated}} ] when I linked to the talk page discussion on their user page. They have also failed to respond to this invitation. | |||
How do you suggest proceeding? ] (]) 05:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
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:Hi 2001:569:7F68:BF00:A575:7727:DB21:8992, Thanks for asking. | |||
:Both the discussion "invitation" (titled "<mark>Your disruptive removal of well-referenced material</mark> on Brian Sims")<sup></sup> and the discussion's introduction (directed at one specific editor, demanding them to answer questions about their behavior)<sup></sup> are combative and unpleasant; I can understand why someone would refuse to even answer such an "invitation". It's not an invitation to a neutral content-based discussion, it's an invitation to an unproductive fight. | |||
:Please re-write the section on the article's talk page entirely. Tips for doing so in a way that actually creates a productive discussion about the article content: | |||
:* Describe which content you would like to add or replace, exactly, with a quotation. Describe why you would like to do so, ideally citing relevant policies (ensuring ], and how so? Correcting a misquotation for ], and using which source?). | |||
:* Do not mention any specific user's name, or worse, their alleged behavior, on the article's talk page. Article talk pages are not for the discussion of user behavior; please restrict your message to the <em>content</em> of the article. | |||
:* Keep the invitation message completely neutral. Use {{tl|Please see}} without adding custom text. | |||
:* If after all these attempts you do have a complaint about the user's behavior, the only two places you can reasonably voice them are ] and ]. Instead of focusing on the user's behavior, if the discussion fails, you should attempt inviting a formal ] about the content matter, or you could ask for a moderated dispute resolution at ]. | |||
:Two very helpful pages I can recommend are: ], and the essay ]. | |||
:If you have genuinely followed the tips above and still face silence and a refusal to discuss the content, please notify me again. | |||
:Best regards,<br>] (]) 13:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== IP you blocked seems to be back == | |||
Hi. Sorry to bother you. You blocked , thank you. They appear to be back as . I've mentioned it at AIV but I wondered if I should also tell you given your previous involvement? Cheers ] (]) 18:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Italian IP-hopper removing details regarding celebrities' deaths
This has been going on for a long time from several IPs in Italy; I just reverted another of their edits. I reported them to AIV last month but one responding admin requested more details then a second responding admin thought I was requesting a rangeblock. Can anything be done about this? Some of the involved IPs:
151.19.58.228
151.57.143.115
151.35.164.166
151.37.208.134
151.37.140.41
151.47.227.167
151.37.133.229
151.37.130.52
151.57.9.61
151.47.19.185
151.37.230.153
151.57.154.248
151.19.154.35
151.46.183.124
151.43.217.155
- Hi Skywatcher68, the large range could be made one of the conditions of an edit filter (WP:EFR). I have blocked the most recently used address for now, but a filter could prevent the edits or allow them to be found more quickly/easily. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 08:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! Given that this has been going on for over a year, I followed the suggestion regarding LTA edits and sent an email. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 21:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Advice on disruptive editor
Hi! I wanted to ask your advice on how to handle 150.195.180.35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). For over a year, this editor has been making the same edits to one particular article (List of Rolie Polie Olie episodes). All their edits involved changing the OriginalAirDate parameter in an {{Episode list}} template to add a date for a second country. My reading of the documentation for this template is that this is incorrect; this parameter should have only one date in it, the date of it's actual first airing. Several editors (mostly me but also others) have reverted these edits and I have added quite a few warnings on their talk page, but they have not responded and continue to persistently make these changes every few weeks or so (lately more frequently). I have also explained my reversions in each of my edit summaries but the editor has never used an edit summary.
This is a pretty minor point and I don't think it rises to the level of vandalism, so I don't think it's proper to bring it to AIV or ANI, and they are not breaking 3RR so AN3 isn't appropriate either. Is there a place that would be appropriate to discuss this? Or perhaps I am in the wrong and should just drop this? Thanks for any advice or help that you can offer. CodeTalker (talk) 01:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- You're correct about such MOS violations, which MOS I'm not sure, not rising to the level of vandalism but an admin such as ToBeFree could place a partial block on the IP to keep them from editing that list of episodes. Misplaced Pages does not list rebroadcasts of episodes or made-for-TV movies and broadcasts of theatrical movies appear to be only in special circumstances, such as The Wizard of Oz –Skywatcher68 (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi CodeTalker, thank you very much for the notification! Skywatcher68 is right about partial blocks; I went ahead and placed a full {{anonblock}} for a year because I'd like to see rather an unblock request than this continuing in other articles. It is edit warring, even if it doesn't violate any short-term restrictions on the number of reverts. You can report such long-term edit wars at WP:ANEW too, but I've seen reports unnecessarily declined for a lack of 3RR violations too often to be able to say you should have done so. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the help! CodeTalker (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)