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Fixed it. However it would have been easier for you to fix it, rather than stating it here and waiting for someone else to see your comment. Unless you're not an auto-confirmed user. ] Fixed it. However it would have been easier for you to fix it, rather than stating it here and waiting for someone else to see your comment. Unless you're not an auto-confirmed user. ]


== Young Turks name issues. == == Sexual Assault ==


Didn't she say she was sexually assaulted by a homeless White man? ] (]) 18:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
recently-added section has serious BLP issues; I tried to address them with more minor edits, but since someone reverted I've killed the entire section for now per ] given the severity of the problem. Do not restore it without an unambiguous consensus. My ''specific'' issues are:
* The sources focus entirely on the name of the ''Young Turks''; "Criticism on the Armenian genocide" does not accurately reflect the sources. Additionally, it violates ]. Accusing someone of genocide denial, even implicitly, is a ]-sensitive claim that requires high-quality sourcing saying so unambiguously.
* text claims the name was "{{tq|taken from a Turkish political movement}}", which is nowhere in the source. The activists in question merely objected because it ''reminded them'' of that movement. Since this is being used to implicate Kasparian, it is a BLP-sensitive claim without a proper source (ie. the implication is that she intentionally chose the name based on that movement, which has no cite.)
* line has clear ] problems; "accused" casts doubt on what she's saying.
* uses ] to imply that Kasparian has been accused of something equivalent to supporting Nazis. The source only says {{tq|Kasparian may be at peace with the name, but other Armenians feel differently.}} Note the "may"; it doesn't even fully support the first part ({{tq|Kasparian has indicated she is fine with the use of the name...}} But combining it with the second part ({{tq|...which a spokesman for the ] equated to a show broadcasting under the name "The Young Nazis"}}), which isn't even in that source, is severe ] in a way that clearly violates BLP. Implicitly comparing someone to a Nazi requires ''extremely'' high-quality sourcing.
* source is an opinion-piece from a non-expert, so it should not be used to make controversial claims about ]s in the first place (and obviously complacency in genocide denial is a severe accusation that requires better sourcing.) Worse, the source itself does not say that. Ignoring the headline (which is unusable per ] and which, in any case, does not mention genocide denial), it accuses Ugyhr, not her, and even then only implicitly {{tq|For example, she is first to ridicule conservatives for being immoral swine yet she sits next to a Uygur, who’s famous for remarks like “women want to be lied to,” his contempt for intellectuals like Sam Harris and his silence on the Armenian Genocide. As we know, silence is considered the final phase of genocide denial, as it signals acceptance.}} Again, this is an extremely serious accusation and requires a far better source than this.
I tried to address these issues, but since the changes were reverted and the section is both relatively recent and contains multiple serious BLP issues, I've killed it for now; we cannot workshop so many serious BLP issues in the article itself (especially given that the ] one in particular is extremely severe; every part of that sentence has problems, both individually and as a whole, and the sum total of it is a severe BLP-sensitive accusation which is for all practical purposes not meaningfully sourced.) If you have any fixed versions, propose them here and gain consensus for restoring them per ]. If you disagree that this is a BLP issue we can take it to BLPN, but it seems unambiguous to me. --] (]) 22:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:I've restored the section with these concerns addressed. Pinging ] in case he objects to the rewritten section. ] (]) 23:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
::@] thank you for the effort and actually trying to address the issues, and not removing entire parts of the article. One concern I have:
::"''Kasparian may be at peace with the name, but other Armenians feel differently.".<ref>{{cite news|last1=Hunter-Hart|first1=Monica|date=June 16, 2021|title=Why Cenk Uygur Is Getting Confronted about the Name "The Young Turks," and Why It Matters|work=]|url=https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/the-young-turks/why-cenk-uygur-is-getting-confronted-about-the-nam/|access-date=January 5, 2017}}</ref>''
::Could you please restore this with source that was lost in the edits? with wording in accordance to the source of course. Best regards, ] (]) 04:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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Within the "Views" section, "fiance" needs to be replaced with "finance", both times that it is used incorrectly.

Fixed it. However it would have been easier for you to fix it, rather than stating it here and waiting for someone else to see your comment. Unless you're not an auto-confirmed user. Daxri

Sexual Assault

Didn't she say she was sexually assaulted by a homeless White man? Hausa warrior (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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