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==Cecilia Park vs. Forest==
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Just quickly to explain why the article was originally named "Cecilia Park" and not Cecilia Forest. The info comes from the SANPARKS website (as part of Table Mountain National Park, this piece of land falls under their management, national jurisdiction etc.)
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There were in fact TWO pieces of land called "Cecilia Forest" - one which the article is about, and one which lies up the slope from Kirstenbosch & Newlands Forest. The latter is a large indigenous forest which (confusingly) probably overlaps with the former, which was a separate forest/commercial plantation that's now been incorporated into TMNP.

The piece of land which the article is about, is now much less of a "forest" as most of its pine & gum plantations have been harvested, and indigenous forest will only be restored on certain patches (the others going to various types of fynbos and recreation facilities. See the Cecilia Park management plan on the SanParks website.)

This is why SanParks decided to rename it "Cecilia Park" - to avoid confusion with the indigenous forests further north, and also to emphasise the purpose of the land as being for local recreation. I'll let you decide on the proper way ahead, but I wanted to explain why you found so many results in a search for "Cecilia Forest" - and so few for the new name for this one specific piece of land.
I also wanted to direct you to the website of the actual authorities here (www.sanparks.org) where you can not only find online references to the name-change, but also download the PDF management plan documents and a whole bunch of reports too.
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==Cecilia Park name==
Hi, I wanted to ask if you could please revert the switch from Cecilia Park > Cecilia Forest. There are several reasons to support this, which I'll try explain below:

Firstly, the name "Cecilia Forest" is ambiguous. It is common in popular usage to refer to two entirely different patches of land in Cape Town. It also refers to the real "forest" (pls note, the term has a strict definition in SANParks!) north and west of Kirstenbosch. Originally it was all the wooded land that lay within Cecil John Rhodes's property, but that's just the history. The name "Cecilia Forest" is now popularly used to refer to the forest by Kirstenbosch (technically the Groote Schuur estate) and ALSO the former "Plantation" (NB again, not a "forest"! https://www.sanparks.org/parks/table_mountain/library/2007/tc/tokai_cecilia_dec07/c_plantation.jpg ) in the area now renamed just "Cecilia" or "Cecilia Park". This means the wikipedia page "Cecilia Forest" should, at the least, be a disambiguation page.

Secondly, while the nickname is still more commonly used, that does not mean that the official name (as applied by the appropriate authorities) should not still be the main Misplaced Pages page.

Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam is a good precedent here. The most common name that the residents of that city use in conversation is still the name "Saigon". However the appropriate authorities in this case (ie. the government!) are the ones which influenced which name becomes the main wikipedia page. The more popular name "Saigon" redirects to that page. It should not be the other way around.

Cecilia should follow the same sort of template. I suggest that the earlier nickname "Cecilia Forest" should be a disambiguation page for the different "Cecilia Forests" of Cape Town (or a redirect page to the official name if you choose). The official name as expressed on Misplaced Pages could actually be one of several possibilities. All of which I think would satisfy the rather strictly-defined terms in nature conservation:
* It could be "Cecilia Park" which is the name for the recreational area that is currently being developed there (see SANParks website here: https://www.sanparks.org/parks/table_mountain/library/2007/tc/tokai_cecilia_dec07/cecilia_park_vision.jpg )
* It could be "Cecilia Plantation" which would also be technically correct, though the plantation is almost completely removed by now so the lifespan of this name is limited and will soon be historical (see: https://www.sanparks.org/parks/table_mountain/library/2007/tc/tokai_cecilia_dec07/background.jpg )
* It could even be "Cecilia, Table Mountain" or "Cecilia (Table Mountain)", "Cecilia section of Table Mountain National Park", as you'll have seen that at the park itself when you walk around, the official signage mostly just uses the name "Cecilia".

However it cannot be "Cecilia Forest". That name is quite definitely not correct, which is why it was officially changed.

Please consider & revert or change name accordingly.
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