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⚫ == Neo-Nazi citation ==
==Activist??==
What is the wikipedia definition/classification for activist?? Isn't he a youtuber who got banned. Otherwise wikipedia would also need to classify nick fuentes differently.] (]) 15:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
:He appears to be referred to as an activist, for example: . I don't know about Nick Fuentes, I guess he could be described (and gets referred to) as an activist too. ] (]) 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Chefs-kiss}} {{tq|What is the wikipedia definition/classification for activist??}} It's a common misconception that there are some sets of criteria on Misplaced Pages for various descriptors, and we evaluate a person's behavior against them to determine which should be used. Instead, we look at the terms that reliable sources use for a person, and attempt to reflect the most widely-used. If you are seeing that reliable sources regularly use some other description for him, feel free to suggest it. While it's certainly true that some sources may have referred to Baked Alaska as a YouTuber, it seems unlikely that they do these days, given he was banned from the platform. For what it's worth, Nick Fuentes is also referred to as an activist in a few places, and reliable sources sometimes describe him as one as well; it's not in the lead primarily because sources more frequently refer to him as a "commentator", etc. ] (she/her • ]) 18:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

{{ping|GorillaWarfare}}{{ping|Alalch Emis}} Ah ok! Thnx for the clarification ] (]) 22:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

⚫ == Neo-Nazi ==

Hello, I would like to discuss the term "neo-Nazi" that is attributed to Baked Alaska in the very first sentence of the article. Two sources are cited to justify that term, ''The A.V. Club'' and ''The Times of Israel'' respectively. The former source does not seem to be reliable for this claim, as according to the it is only considered "generally reliable for film, music, and TV reviews", and so is clearly beyond its . A film review website, which explicitly labels itself as "", should not be cited to claim that someone is a "neo-Nazi".


Hi, I noticed that him being a Neo-Nazi is not substantiated in the sourcing (unless I missed it). I don't wanna muck around too much with what's there, but if someone who was involved in editing would like to improve that, I have a couple sources that could be added. (second one is used in the article, but identifies him as a Neo-Nazi for his sharing of Neo-Nazi content) - ] (]) 00:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
''The Times of Israel'' has a similar issue. It is not listed anywhere on the reliable source page, as it is still somewhat controversial from what I've seen in the noticeboard archives. However, it does look mostly reliable at least with regards to Israeli affairs, and so again it seems that this source is beyond its area of expertise in claiming that an American live-streamer is a "neo-Nazi". But even if this publication is well within its area of expertise, there are still discrepancies with their use of the term towards Baked Alaska. The - dated January 17 2021 - describes Baked Alaska's arrest and does label him as a "neo-Nazi". In their about him though - dated November 20 2021 - they decided to suddenly drop "neo-Nazi" in favor of "far-right media personality" while reporting on his alleged vandalism of a Hanukkah display.
:This had already been adressed (the page has even been titled at some point ''Baked Alaska (Neo-Nazi)''). If memory helps, the consensus was that, while far-right, Gionet's ideology might not be precise enough to warrant being called neo-nazi. Indeed, none of the sources that were used in the lead section called him a neo-nazi. The Times of Israel article does call him like that, however, but we might just call him "far-right" as this might be the most accurate description for him. I've used the Gizmodo source for the fact that he shared neo-nazi content on social media, though. ] (]) 20:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
This use of "far-right media personality" falls in line with the current media consensus on Baked Alaska, which can be seen in reports from reputable publications such as , , and about his recent assault and vandalism charges. In these reports he is universally described as a far-right media personality, and very clearly not as a "neo-Nazi".


== Requested move 11 January 2025 ==
With all of this in mind, I suggest that the instance of "neo-Nazi" be removed and replaced with the generally agreed upon "far-right media personality".
{{requested move/dated|Baked Alaska (influencer)}}


] → {{no redirect|Baked Alaska (influencer)}} – I suggest we rename the page ''Baked Alaska (influencer)'' as it would be a better, broader description of his activities. While his livestreaming activity generated some outrage, he only started doing livestreams in 2019. At that time he had been a known influencer on social media for several years, so livestreaming is not why he was notable in the first place. ] (]) 20:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
P.S. I'm a newer user, so please tell me if I've broken some etiquette. I made this suggestion in good faith and tried to be as objective as possible. Thank you.
] (]) 12:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Neo-Nazi citation

Hi, I noticed that him being a Neo-Nazi is not substantiated in the sourcing (unless I missed it). I don't wanna muck around too much with what's there, but if someone who was involved in editing would like to improve that, I have a couple sources that could be added. (second one is used in the article, but identifies him as a Neo-Nazi for his sharing of Neo-Nazi content) - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

This had already been adressed (the page has even been titled at some point Baked Alaska (Neo-Nazi)). If memory helps, the consensus was that, while far-right, Gionet's ideology might not be precise enough to warrant being called neo-nazi. Indeed, none of the sources that were used in the lead section called him a neo-nazi. The Times of Israel article does call him like that, however, but we might just call him "far-right" as this might be the most accurate description for him. I've used the Gizmodo source for the fact that he shared neo-nazi content on social media, though. Psychloppos (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Baked Alaska (livestreamer) → Baked Alaska (influencer) – I suggest we rename the page Baked Alaska (influencer) as it would be a better, broader description of his activities. While his livestreaming activity generated some outrage, he only started doing livestreams in 2019. At that time he had been a known influencer on social media for several years, so livestreaming is not why he was notable in the first place. Psychloppos (talk) 20:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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