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== Why is there no mention of the riots, anarchy and violence conducted by BLM protestors? ==

For the most obvious reasons I think the majority of people can agree that BLM is a movement however no one can deny that violence, arson, property damage, and anarchy were a recurring aspect in 2020 after the death of George Floyd. I don't understand why this isn't mentioned in the article, are the editors of Misplaced Pages in complete denial of criminal acts committed by BLM activists? Or do the editors have a biased leftist agenda when it comes to certain controversial topics like this. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*They're peaceful protestors ] (]) 15:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
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:{{Re|Paok117}} According to by '']'', 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. Another study by '']'' said "Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful". ––] <span style="border-radius:7em;padding:2.75px 3.25px;background:#005bed;font-size:75%">]</span> 19:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

::Your source that says 7% were violent. That should be included in the article. ] (]) 01:02, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

: Please see archive 10 for the most recent discussion of this topic, under 2 months ago. ] (]) 01:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn’t really call them “peaceful protesters” tbh they nearly burnt Minneapolis to the ground had it not been for the US national guard being deployed to stop the rioters the city would have been destroyed. They also caused $2 billion dollars worth of property damage in June 2020 alone. What is the definition of a “reliable source” btw it sounds pretty biased and censors media publications and tabloids that aren’t aligned with the political left. I’m not going to provide a reference for a news article about this because it will be discredited and censored. ] (]) 06:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

:"What is the definition of a “reliable source” btw" How long have you been editing Misplaced Pages? See ] for the content guideline. For a list of specific sources which have already been discussed, see ]. ] (]) 11:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Dimadick}} already tried explaining this. Take a look at their talk page. They aren't going to accept Misplaced Pages's views on sources. ] ] 15:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

More than 500 shops and restaurants in Minneapolis and St. Paul have reported damage when protests on five nights turned violent over the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police. Dozens of properties burned to the ground.

Owners and insurance experts estimate the costs of the damage could exceed $500 million.

Source: https://www.startribune.com/twin-cities-rebuilding-begins-with-donations-pressure-on-government/571075592/

] (]) 00:58, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Dr. Birx Says George Floyd Protests Have Resulted in the Destruction of 70 Covid-19 Testing Sites

Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-birx-says-george-floyd-151449109.html

] (]) 01:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Minneapolis vandalism targets include 198-unit affordable housing development

The apartments were expected to hit the market later this year.


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The under-construction affordable housing development that burned in the widespread violence in south Minneapolis late Wednesday and early Thursday was to be a six-story rental building with 198 apartments for low-income renters, including more than three dozen for very low-income tenants.
Clearly the fraud stuff should be contained within the first paragraph. ] (]) 15:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


:You can propose specific edit requests here. I think page protection is still required. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Construction began last fall on Midtown Corner, which was expected to be completed and ready for occupancy this year. Late Wednesday the wood-framed upper floors of the building were fully engulfed in flames, with thick plumes of smoke that figured prominently in widely viewed photos of the riots. By Thursday morning, what had been an active construction site was reduced to a pile of smoldering ashes atop what was left of the concrete first-floor commercial space.
:The fraud is related to ]. It is in the lede of that article, where it is appropriate. &mdash; <b>]:<sup>]</sup></b> 17:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
::Agreed. It makes sense in that article in the lede; not really in the lede here. ] (]) 20:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


== BLM and violence ==
Source: https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-vandalism-targets-include-189-unit-affordable-housing-development/570836742/


There needs to be a greater discussion of the violence directly associated with BLM. During the July 2020 protests, extensive rioting also occurred with attacks on police, particularly in the Capital Hill area. I think the death total was 49 directly associated with the riots? Though would need to confirm this. If anyone has any sources:
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Overall death toll.
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Murder of retired police captain David Dorn by a BLM activist. Though this seems quite well documented already.
Capitol Hill Occupied Zone killings - there were at least two?
Any direct links between the BLM hierarchy and the killings.
Indirect links between the BLM hierarchy and the killings - for example incitement to hatred and violence. ] (]) 15:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)


:Also the Texas shootings of 2016 were committed by a BLM supporter who was radicalised by BLM rhetoric. There needs to be a bit more on the historic (pre-2020) violence associated with BLM. ] (]) 15:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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This topic should not be locked anymore. Clearly the fraud stuff should be contained within the first paragraph. 2600:1700:7491:D490:6899:D692:DF9C:701 (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

You can propose specific edit requests here. I think page protection is still required. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
The fraud is related to Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. It is in the lede of that article, where it is appropriate. — The Hand That Feeds You: 17:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Agreed. It makes sense in that article in the lede; not really in the lede here. Lewisguile (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

BLM and violence

There needs to be a greater discussion of the violence directly associated with BLM. During the July 2020 protests, extensive rioting also occurred with attacks on police, particularly in the Capital Hill area. I think the death total was 49 directly associated with the riots? Though would need to confirm this. If anyone has any sources:

Overall death toll. Murder of retired police captain David Dorn by a BLM activist. Though this seems quite well documented already. Capitol Hill Occupied Zone killings - there were at least two? Any direct links between the BLM hierarchy and the killings. Indirect links between the BLM hierarchy and the killings - for example incitement to hatred and violence. 86.62.30.191 (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Also the Texas shootings of 2016 were committed by a BLM supporter who was radicalised by BLM rhetoric. There needs to be a bit more on the historic (pre-2020) violence associated with BLM. 86.62.30.191 (talk) 15:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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