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== Bandy is the fastest team sport == |
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The article is tagged as to have multiple issues, but there is no discussion about it here on the talk page. I think someone who tags an article like that ought to start the discussion about it too. Anyway, let's work to make it better. ] (]) 17:36, 29 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Bandy is considered the fasteat played team sport in the world because the skaters move so swiftly over the ice. I think this fact is more than just a matter of curiosity and ought to be written out in the article, preferrably in the beginning where the sport is described. ] (]) 14:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:It is a good idea to have this fact in the article, but I suppose it would have to be sourced someway. There are reference literature on the subject of course, but I have none at hand at the moment, here where I am right now. Do you have any yourself? Maybe someone else has some? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Bandy and covid-19 == |
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::Here is a study made on the velocity of bandy players: |
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Like many other sports, bandy is a sport where the regular play and tournaments have been severely effected by the ]. The ], meant to be played in ] in ], was postponed and now it might not be played at all, because ], ] and ] have all declared that they won't come to play because of the risk of being infected. I don't know if the ] will find it worthwhile to play the tournament, when all the other main contestants have said they won't show up. It's sad, but this is how it is in sports not as big as ] or the ], where huge tournamenst like ] and the ] still have been arranged this summer. Eventually, some information about the situation and how it plays out should be added to this article. ] (]) 21:28, 29 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10250590/ at the National Library of Medicine, "Sprint skating profile of competitive male bandy players: determination of positional differences and playing level" Roland van den Tillaar,corresponding", author , 1 ,* Haris Pojskic, 2 and Håkan Andersson 3 <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== The statue in Earith == |
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:What is the speed of a bandy player? What speeds do they reach on the playing surface? As they are playing the games on ice with skates on their feet, I get that they are faster than someone running on grass or something like that, but as a start for this question to be answered, you need to state the speed. What is the average speed for a player on the bandy rink in KM/H? /] (]) 05:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
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There is obviously a statue of a bandy player in ], England. The source for this was just an URL for an image, , which is not a very good source. I tried to find a better one and found the same image at ]. This is a slightly better source, but still not really good enough. I’ll try to look some more. A news article or some tourist information site would be better as a source. ] (]) 19:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::In the study linked in the post just above yours, you can find the answer. It says the ”mean skating velocity extend 16 km/h” and ”...high-velocity skating that in some cases reaches 37 km/h”. You can compare this with long-track speed skaters, who can reach over 55 km/h (”over 35 mph” according to ), but then only have to go along an oval track and not fending off players of an opposing team while doing it. A speed skating skate blade is also longer than the blade of the typical bandy skate, allowing for higher speeds but less sharp turns, while the bandy skate’s blade in turn is longer than the blade on an ice hockey skate. ] (]) 22:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:I found a better source now, The Hunts Post. It seems to be a pretty reliable source, even if it describes the history of bandy somewhat wrong. It was probably not thoroughly proof read... ] (]) 20:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Using a ball rather than a puck also makes bandy faster than ice hockey. --] (]) 14:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::– Shall I add, that I really would like it if someone else took their time to perhaps check this too? The statue is there, there are enough sources showing it, but is this particular source which I added here good enough for Winipedia? ] (]) 07:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::What I meant to say (maybe that was not clear enough) is that the swiftness of a game in a team sport is not just about the speed of the players but also other things. One example is that a ball is used in bandy and this can be played faster than a puck as in ice hockey for instance. A bandy game can switch from one side of the firld to the other as fast as an ice hockey game and this mskes bandy faster since the playing field is larger. – ] (]) 02:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Sources which are translated == |
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It is pretty good to refer to sources in other languages by refering to them through Google Translate, but the source shall not just be stated as "Google Translate". It should be stated as the source it is originally, with name, date of publishing etc. I just fixed this for one source previously given like that. ] (]) 04:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::The ] is made to move quickly over the ice, but I hadn't really thought about that before, but the ball is of course another part which makes the sport of bandy as fast as it is. It really is a swift game, but still also technical and has its merits as a specator sport - it's not just to and fro, but intricate and interesting. It's fun to watch. ] (]) 21:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Overview of international competitions == |
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:....and another one. There are quite a few sources given in this article which are good, but not presented in a good way. I'll do my best to amend this. ] (]) 07:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Under the headline "Overview of international competitions" in the article is a table showing the World Championships and the World Cups, but it doesn't show any of the other inernational competitions. How come? Shouldn't the European Cup be there too, for instance, even if it hasn't been played for years? There has also been bandy tournaments in some multi-sport events and they could also be noted there, I think. ] (]) 14:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::I seem to have come here in a time period when not many other people are working with this particular subject, that is the article on bandy, as I get no respnse on what I write in my posts here. That is hardly a problem, I can work on making the article better myself, without exchanging ideas and opinions with someone else on the matter. It would be more interesting to work on it together with others, but what I am doing at the moment is more or less just bettering texts, or rather just references, which othere people have already put into the text sometime before. This is something anyone could do on his own; no discussions really needed on how to phrase things in the text. |
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:There is no bandy played at the Olympics, is there? So only other competitions. |
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::It is however a bit saddening finding out, that a reference source which probably was a good one when it was added to the text in the article, is now a dead link and as it is dead I cannot do anything much to better the refering note which accompany the text. When the link is dead, I cannot find the missing headline of a news article or the date this news article was originally published. These facts are information which should have been added to the note when the reference was originally added in the text of our article. |
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:What multi-sport events have had bandy tournaments as parts of the events? ; ] (]) 15:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::The Asian Winter Games has had bandy on its programme at least once. ] (]) 13:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::However, at a whole, I think this article actually is a good article, describing bandy in a way which should be able to give an understanding of the sport even to readers not previously familiar with the subject and at the same time not so simple in its approach as to make the ordinary bandy fan thinking it's just nothing here that I don't already know. ] (]) 11:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I think you could add the youth world championships. ] (]) 16:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I'm sorry, bad suggestion from me. The youth world cha.pionships are already there in the article. I should hsve checked before writing anything anout it here. – ] (]) 02:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Bandy and field hockey == |
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One of the issues is now taken care of, at least as much as I have been able to do it. That was the issue of bad reference link descriptions. I have cleaned it up and therefor I removed that issue from the template on top of the page. |
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There are some sections of text in this article about bandy´s relationship to ] (also known as soccer) and its relationship to ], but it is also related to ]. Field hockey is a form of ] just like bandy is, and bandy and field hockey both have eleven man teams, bent sticks and balls and are played at the approximately same size of field or rink, just like association football too by the way. |
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Now there is only one of the issues left. Should the multiple issues template be replaced by some one issue template? ] (]) 05:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
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There is reason to believe that not only association football with its English roots but also field hockey with its roots in the same country have given much inspiration to bandy and the rules for this game in its early days in the late 19th Century, when many modern sports were developed, while ice hockey on the other hand seems to be somewhat younger as a sport and also has its origin in Canada, not in England, but still there were already a section about bandy and ice hockey. There is reason to elaborate on this, but I cannot really do it myself since I am no expert on sports history in general nor on theses sports in particular. Who would be able to write something about it? Are there some sources you could recommend which could be used to extend the section about this? ; ] (]) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Well, it seems ] took care of this for us. Thank you. ] (]) 10:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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*"There is reason to believe"--not without secondary sourcing. ] (]) 16:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*:Yes. I am here to discuss this and to ask for sources. That¨s what Misplaced Pages talk pages are all about, aren't they? Do you have any suggestion as to where sources can be found? ; ] (]) 16:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Nomination of ] for deletion == |
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The following was just posted at my personal talk page. Maybe others are interested in giving their views on the subject too. |
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::How rude. How rude. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:There are some texts about the similarity of Bandy and Field Hockey you can find online if you look for it. I don't know if these sources are good enough for an encyclopedic article on the subject, but they are qutie interesting (at least in my opinion): |
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:''The article will be discussed at ] until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. |
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:* https://www.ahockeyworld.net/bandy-hockeyfield-hockey-on-ice/ "Bandy is not Ice Hockey, it's Field Hockey on Ice..." at A Hockey World |
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:* https://skiernet.com/bandy.php "Bandy" at Skiernet |
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:* https://www.skatetheoval.com/page/show/254552-bandy "What is Bandy?" by Skate the Oval |
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:* https://monclubsportif.com/en/articles/bandy-unknown-sport-discover/ "Bandy: An unknown sport to discover" at MonClubSportif |
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:* https://theculturetrip.com/europe/sweden/articles/bandy-the-popular-swedish-sport-youve-never-heard-of "Bandy, the Popular Swedish Sport You’ve Never Heard Of" at Culture Trip |
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:* https://www.leeds.ac.uk/news-alumni/news/article/5068/leeds-alum-captains-great-britain-to-bandy-world-championship-silver "Leeds alum captains Great Britain to Bandy World Championship silver" at University of Leeds website |
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:* https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/fancy-bandy-field-hockey-on-ice-but-not-ice-hockey-wants-to-outgrow-siberian-niche-1.190378 "Fancy bandy? Field hockey on ice – but not ice hockey – wants to outgrow Siberian niche" at The National News section on sports |
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:Do what you want with these links. I don't know how to incorporate their meanings in this Misplaced Pages article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Nice. Thank you. I will read these linked articles when I have the time. ; ] (]) 08:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There is no doubt abour the similarities bwtween bandy and field hockey, but sources are needed. Are the links posted in this discussion credible ? ] (]) 13:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Procedurally starting this discussion. Does the article need to be split for size, keeping in mind possible expansion? An option would be creating either ] or a ]. ] (powera, ], ]) 17:47, 12 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::::While the articles describe that there are similarities between the sports of bandy and field hockey, not much is said about a common origin and the rules are identified as being more close to association football. So the similarities could just as well be coincidental. You could write something in the article about similarities, but that's not really relevant. If there are sources credibly describing a common history of the two sports, this could be something to add to the article, but sources just describing casual talk about perceived visual similarities are not really interesting. ] (]) 21:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I agree. This could be a good idea, since many parts of the article could be expanded as it is, while the article is pretty long already as it is. A glossary of bandy terms would be much appreciated, I think – it could include information about what terms are used in different languages if these are significantly different, and also comparisons to the use of similar terms in other sports. Bandy rules would also merit its own article, where there could be more room to write about historical development of the rules of the game. Apart from your suggestions, I could imagine and would suggest that there was some other articles added too, with information moved there from this article. I'd like to have an article on ] (where there could be more room to write about the origin of the sport and the split of it from what would become ], as I understand these sports where originally somewhat of variants of the same sport). I also think there could be room for adding more articles about bandy played in different countries, at least the countries where bandy is most popular, which would be the ], ], ], ], and perhaps ], perhaps other countries too if there is enough good sources to write about it, like probably the ] and the ]. ] (]) 21:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::I think you have a point. Even if bandy and field hockey are both defined as ] sports, the similarities may very well be considered to lie more in the visual impression to the casual spectator (both have bent sticks and a small ball) than in the rules and nature of the game actually played. I think some national federations may have governed both sports at times, but this does not mean the sports are more related than other sports, while ] on the other hand has a clear historical connection to the ] of ]. If there is to be a section on the similaries between bandy and field hockey in this article, other sources than the ones already listed in this discussion are likely needed. ; ] (]) 10:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::In Norway, ] is the organisation ruling both bandy and field hockey. ] (]) 23:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC) |
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It says in the lead, that bandy "belongs to a small group of four ice skating team sports, irrespective of their associated variants, which now includes ice hockey, ringette, and rinkball." |
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::::::In the Soviet Union, bandy and field hockey were both governed by the ]. ] (]) 00:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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What is this "group"? How is it organised or who defines it as a "group"? |
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I don't think this sentence is really clear. Are they a "group" just because they are all played on ice or is it something else which defines the group? There are other sports played on ice too, why are they not in this "group"? Please clarify. |
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Italy has become a full member of the ], elected as such at the FIB Congress in June this year. ] (]) 11:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:This is not yet reflected in the map showing the member countries of the international federation. How can this map be updated? I don't have the technical skill to do it. ; ] (]) 10:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:I removed the text about this alleged group now, just as has been done in the article on ]. For discussion on the topic and why the "group" should not be mentioned (as it is what could be called original research), see ]. |
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::Removed again. Do not add it again without discussing first. We have talk pages for a reason. |
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::While these sports mught share some characteristics, they are not more related to eachother than bandy is related to for instance field hockey or association football. They are not grouped together by sports writers or sports governing bodies. Simply put, they are not a group. |
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Bandy is considered the fasteat played team sport in the world because the skaters move so swiftly over the ice. I think this fact is more than just a matter of curiosity and ought to be written out in the article, preferrably in the beginning where the sport is described. 2A00:801:787:6A57:0:0:481C:B011 (talk) 14:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Under the headline "Overview of international competitions" in the article is a table showing the World Championships and the World Cups, but it doesn't show any of the other inernational competitions. How come? Shouldn't the European Cup be there too, for instance, even if it hasn't been played for years? There has also been bandy tournaments in some multi-sport events and they could also be noted there, I think. 2A00:801:787:6A57:0:0:481C:B011 (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
There is reason to believe that not only association football with its English roots but also field hockey with its roots in the same country have given much inspiration to bandy and the rules for this game in its early days in the late 19th Century, when many modern sports were developed, while ice hockey on the other hand seems to be somewhat younger as a sport and also has its origin in Canada, not in England, but still there were already a section about bandy and ice hockey. There is reason to elaborate on this, but I cannot really do it myself since I am no expert on sports history in general nor on theses sports in particular. Who would be able to write something about it? Are there some sources you could recommend which could be used to extend the section about this? ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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