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	I was led here after watching a medical video regarding the phenomenon of increased incidence of cancer in US servicemembers exposed to the practice of incinerating garbage, chemicals, ], etc. in ] using benzene-containing ], and I'm looking at the 1991 photo on the Burn Pit page and going "hmmm". ] (]) 01:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)		I was led here after watching a medical video regarding the phenomenon of increased incidence of cancer in US servicemembers exposed to the practice of incinerating garbage, chemicals, ], etc. in ] using benzene-containing ], and I'm looking at the 1991 photo on the Burn Pit page and going "hmmm". ] (]) 01:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

			:I came here to also ask that. There's a link at the bottom, and the ] article mentions similar symptoms. Is there a reason it's not mentioned in the body of this article? ] (]) 20:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

	== New study apparently confirming that sarin exposure was responsible + genetic factor in the form of GWS sufferers having a less effective version of the PON1 gene ==		== New study apparently confirming that sarin exposure was responsible + genetic factor in the form of GWS sufferers having a less effective version of the PON1 gene ==
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	Now, the Beeb is a (mostly) reliable source, but should we or shouldn't we wait for a few more sources to provide coverage before adding this? - ] (]) 08:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)		Now, the Beeb is a (mostly) reliable source, but should we or shouldn't we wait for a few more sources to provide coverage before adding this? - ] (]) 08:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
			:I'm reading through the now and I definitely think that it deserves to be included here in some form.] (]) 21:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
			::. Appears to violate ] because it is a single study rather than a ] covering a biomedical topic. Also the text we added to the article is quite technical. I'm leaning toward removing it, but figured I'd come to the talk page first. Single studies can be quite untrustworthy, ] where I talk about this a bit. As a compromise, we could condense the added text down to one sentence, for example, "A 2022 study found a possible link between GWS and exposure to low levels of sarin, which was released into the air by coalition bombing of Iraqi chemical weapons facilities." The lower weight and addition of the word "possibly" would make our text more reflective of the potential inaccuracy of the study. –] <small>(])</small> 04:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
			:::If I'm not mistaken, you would have to gut virtually the entire page and start from scratch (]) in order to satisfy the ] criterion for inclusion.] (]) 04:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
			:I've added a few reviews that include the 2022 PON1 paper. Attention should be paid as to whether more recent reviews include the current knowledge around sarin as causal of GWS. Because the topic is a controversial subject, sources may be biased and omit the 2022 paper because they want to argue for other causes, despite the 2022 paper having many secondary sources report on it, and seemingly is the only research paper on the topic with over 1000 participants. ] (]) 22:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

			=== Airborne Virus? ===

			Looking for people near US Military facilities who have never had contact other than short term contact with soldier families that display symptoms of GWS, confirming a plot of it NOT being a sarin gas but a virus that's airborne. I'm a civilian that went in and out of Military communities at Ledward Barracks and Kaiserslautern Barracks and I notice skin problems and neurological damage much similar what is described on 1st/direct contact of soldiers. Ramstein Hospital is not far from Kaiserslautern and ever since visiting the sites of where Shaquille O'Neal played Basketball I've been experiencing symptoms back in Canada. Symptoms are/were difficulty concentrating, confusion, seeing floaters in the eyes. It as manageable until relocation to Ledward Barracks where no physical contact was made but the skin discolourations started happening. Please reply privately at gulfwardeath (at) callpeter (dot) tel, I've witnessed many other people having these skin discolourations as well as well as ugly looking scabs near Ledward. No way home. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Contradiction on PTSD incidence between paragraph 2 & 4

Paragraph 2 says: From 1995 to 2005, the health of combat veterans worsened in comparison with nondeployed veterans, with the onset of more new chronic diseases, . . . posttraumatic stress disorder (emphasis added)

Paragraph 4 says: Studies have consistently indicated that . . . Gulf War veterans have lower rates of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) than veterans of other wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:285:8200:D250:7176:89E6:7AC3:59EA (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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Do Iraqi soldiers suffer from Gulf War Syndrome?

As above. I'm quite surprised that nobody appears to have addressed this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.111.169 (talk) 21:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Possible typo

It seems there is a typo in the name used by the Veteran's affairs office. The phrase "medically unexplained illnesses" appears twice in a row.

Current: "Gulf War veterans' medically unexplained illnesses, medically unexplained illnesses, chronic multi-symptom illness (CMI)"

Suggested: "Gulf War veterans' medically unexplained illnesses, chronic multi-symptom illness (CMI)"

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

68.185.39.54 (talk) 06:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Is Gulf War Syndrome related to Burn Pits?

I was led here after watching a medical video regarding the phenomenon of increased incidence of cancer in US servicemembers exposed to the practice of incinerating garbage, chemicals, UXO, etc. in Burn Pits using benzene-containing JP-8, and I'm looking at the 1991 photo on the Burn Pit page and going "hmmm". Dionaeahouse (talk) 01:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I came here to also ask that. There's a link at the bottom, and the burn pit article mentions similar symptoms. Is there a reason it's not mentioned in the body of this article? Cerulean Depths (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

New study apparently confirming that sarin exposure was responsible + genetic factor in the form of GWS sufferers having a less effective version of the PON1 gene

Sarin gas blamed for Gulf War syndrome (BBC News, 11 May 2022) Now, the Beeb is a (mostly) reliable source, but should we or shouldn't we wait for a few more sources to provide coverage before adding this? - Dvaderv2 (talk) 08:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm reading through the study now and I definitely think that it deserves to be included here in some form.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Diff. Appears to violate WP:MEDRS because it is a single study rather than a review article covering a biomedical topic. Also the text we added to the article is quite technical. I'm leaning toward removing it, but figured I'd come to the talk page first. Single studies can be quite untrustworthy, here's an essay where I talk about this a bit. As a compromise, we could condense the added text down to one sentence, for example, "A 2022 study found a possible link between GWS and exposure to low levels of sarin, which was released into the air by coalition bombing of Iraqi chemical weapons facilities." The lower weight and addition of the word "possibly" would make our text more reflective of the potential inaccuracy of the study. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, you would have to gut virtually the entire page and start from scratch (WP:TNT) in order to satisfy the review article criterion for inclusion.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I've added a few reviews that include the 2022 PON1 paper. Attention should be paid as to whether more recent reviews include the current knowledge around sarin as causal of GWS. Because the topic is a controversial subject, sources may be biased and omit the 2022 paper because they want to argue for other causes, despite the 2022 paper having many secondary sources report on it, and seemingly is the only research paper on the topic with over 1000 participants. Dysotic (talk) 22:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Airborne Virus?

Looking for people near US Military facilities who have never had contact other than short term contact with soldier families that display symptoms of GWS, confirming a plot of it NOT being a sarin gas but a virus that's airborne. I'm a civilian that went in and out of Military communities at Ledward Barracks and Kaiserslautern Barracks and I notice skin problems and neurological damage much similar what is described on 1st/direct contact of soldiers. Ramstein Hospital is not far from Kaiserslautern and ever since visiting the sites of where Shaquille O'Neal played Basketball I've been experiencing symptoms back in Canada. Symptoms are/were difficulty concentrating, confusion, seeing floaters in the eyes. It as manageable until relocation to Ledward Barracks where no physical contact was made but the skin discolourations started happening. Please reply privately at gulfwardeath (at) callpeter (dot) tel, I've witnessed many other people having these skin discolourations as well as well as ugly looking scabs near Ledward. No way home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D2:5707:3C01:C7E2:9351:AD5A:41C4 (talk) 11:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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