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Latest revision as of 21:22, 17 September 2024 edit undoElvira Irimie (talk | contribs)8 edits we the Romanians never called it greater Romania but Great Romania. Greater than what, |
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This idea said, that every land is a Romanian territory, whereever the great rivers (Tisza with the river Bodrog and Dnister) of the Romanian Carpathian Mountains (Eastern and Southern Carpathians) spread out their alluvial deposit. So Greater Romania is the territory between the River Tisza and River Dnister. It consist of the Carpathian Ruthenia and North-Bukovina (nowdays in Ukraine and East-Slovakia - Presov and its vicinity), the Hungarian territory east of the river Tisza, Republic of Moldova (without Transnistria), Lower-Moldavia (nowdays in Ukraine) South-Dobruja (nowdays in Bulgaria), and West-Banat (nowdays in Serbia: East part of the former Province - Vojvodina) and - naturally - Romania. |
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This idea said, that every land is a Romanian territory, whereever the great rivers (Tisza with the river Bodrog and Dnister) of the Romanian Carpathian Mountains (Eastern and Southern Carpathians) spread out their alluvial deposit. So Greater Romania is the territory between the River Tisza and River Dnister. It consist of the Carpathian Ruthenia and North-Bukovina (nowdays in Ukraine and East-Slovakia - Presov and its vicinity), the Hungarian territory east of the river Tisza, Republic of Moldova (without Transnistria), Lower-Moldavia (nowdays in Ukraine) South-Dobruja (nowdays in Bulgaria), and West-Banat (nowdays in Serbia: East part of the former Province - Vojvodina) and - naturally - Romania. |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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* Greater Hungary is irredentism; |
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* Greater Bulgaria is irredentism; |
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160530135948/http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97.php?reg=31 to http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97.php?reg=31 |
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* Greater Greece is irredentism; |
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* Greater Russia is irredentism; |
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* Greater Romania isn't irredentism. |
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How do we call that? ]. Or lacking ]. ] (]) 21:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 19:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC) |
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== A lot of incorrect info added == |
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A lot of incorrect info added by: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:TheLastOfTheGiants |
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''"The biggest source of uncertainity was represented by the fact that the Romanian army did not occupy all of Transylvania and the Hungarian-Romanian border was yet to be determined. The Romanian and Hungarian armies in Transylvania would often exchange fire and the Romanian army was often requested to intervene in order to defend the Romanian population from areas under the Hungarian army. Hungary hoped to keep Greater Hungary, they hoped that all the regions of old Hungary would remain part of Hungary but were not taking into account what the nationalities who lived inside Greater Hungary wanted. In Transylvania, where 54% of the population was Romanian, trying to maintain this region as part of Hungary was an utopia, for the president of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, came with his 14 points about the right of nationalities for self-determination, and the Romanians in Transylvania who were a majority, didn't want to be part of Hungary. Essentially, the Hungarian politicians hoped to keep the status quo but the historical reality, the debates during the peace conference and the arguments of the nationalities who wished to break free from Hungary, were the ones that mattered and eventually weighted decisively in favor of creating the eventual borders of Trianon."'' |
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It is incorrect to say the Romanians occupied Hungary, because Romanian army needed to protect Romanians in Hungary from the Hungarian army. Or do you know when Hungarian army harmed Romanians in the territory of Hungary? Source? Morover from the disarmed Hungarian army??? |
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Romania’s entry into World War 1, 27 August 1916. Detail from Proclamation of King Ferdinand of Romania: |
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''“In our moral energy and our valour lie the means of giving him back his birthright of a great and free Romania from the Tisza to the Black Sea, and to prosper in peace in accordance with our customs and our hopes and dreams.”'' |
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https://royalromania.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/romanias-entry-into-the-great-war-27-august-1916-king-ferdinands-proclamation/ |
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Romania joined to Entente and attacked Hungary in 1916 to occupy all Hungarian land until the Tisza river, the Entente promised this land to Romania to ask his help against the Central Powers. During World War 1 Romania attacked Hungary in 1916, but Hungarian and Central Power troops were in Bucharest fast within 3 months, so Romania lost World War, later Romania signed the peace treaty with the Central Powers. On 11th November 1918, World War I ended and Austria-Hungary lost the war, even if at the time of the collapse, all forces (1,4 million Hungarian troops) were standing outside the borders of 1914, so the Entente did not occupy/conquer any Austrian-Hungarian land during the World War I, but soon after the end of the war the Hungarian army was disarmed and the Hungarian soldiers went home. When the war ended Romania attacked again this time disarmed Hungary, on 7th December 1918, Brassó a city in Southeastern Transylvania was occupied by the Romanian Army. |
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Why? To protect Romanians from the disarmed Hungarian army? This has not much logic. |
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But inverse it was many atrocities. The attacker Romanians massacred many Hungarian civilians during the war. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_massacres_in_Romania |
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Gyergyószárhegy (Lăzarea) massacre by the Romanians, 22 September 1916: 8 Hungarian civilians |
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The leadership of the village was shot in a mass grave without trial, further 57 civilians only escaped because a high-ranking officer arrived and stopped the massacre. |
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Köröstárkány and Kisnyégerfalva (Tărcaia and Grădinari) massacres by the Romanians, 19 Apr 1919: 108 ethnic Hungarian civilians |
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On April 19th, 1919, Romanian irregular troops and regular units of the Romanian Royal Army entered the village and murdered numerous local civilians. At that time, the population of Köröstárkány was about 99% ethnic Hungarian; not even the census that would be conducted by the Romanian Ministry of the Interior in 1920 questioned the legitimacy of the number. If one acknowledges that the majority of the people who committed the murders came from the Romanian peasantry of the surrounding villages, then one must also assume that the devastation wrought in Köröstárkány was not a spontaneous military retaliation, but a more or less pre-planned ethnic cleansing, the catalyst of which may have been to break the ethnic and economic hegemony of the much more numerous Hungarian population of the Belényesi Basin. |
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After WW1 it was chaos and coups in Hungary, the new Karolyi government demilitarized the country. But the Romanians, Czechs, and Serbs always violated the demarcation lines, which were in the territory of Hungary and not outside of Hungary! And this impotent and pacific government resigned, then the communist took power in 21th of March. So the Romanians already occupied big Hungarian regions before the communist took power. The Romanian invasion violated already 4 month long many times the demarcation lines and the occupying Romanian army pushed deep into Hungarian land without much resistance, much earlier than the communist took the power or much earlier than they made defensive operations. Actually, the Romanian, and Czech… aggression also emerged the communists in power, because a lot of non-communist ex-soldiers joined red army because the communist promised to protect the country. The Hungarian red army with Monarchy general (Aurel Stromfeld) liberated north Hungary from the Czech aggressors, but the communist wanted to make a Slovak communist state, so the Hungarian people in the army were disappointed. The red army also made operations against the Romanian army which was deep in Hungary, and not against Romania! I assume in other countries this army is named as “home defender”, “freedom fighters”, “liberators”, “partizans”… who defend their land against a foreign invasion. Similar to today the Ukrainian protect their country from the Russian invasion. But Entente demanded to stop the fight, and Bela Kun fleed to Russia, then the Romanians marched and plundered the unprotected country. |
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It was not at all referendum, so the people of Transylvania did not vote. Nobody asked the residents one by one. In Transylvania lived 5 million people in 1920. Only some people from 5 million and many other Romanians from outside of Transylvania voted in not a secret vote to join Romania in wartime and of course, at the presence of the Romanian army behind this one-sided Romanian assembly. Moreover, the Hungarian partner was not invited at all, so hard to talk about any voting. Perhaps the full Hungarian populated cities, especially next to the today Hungarian border voted to join Romania? I do not believe this. Romania claimed the Hungarian territory until the Tisza river. Perhaps the full Hungarian populated Tisza region voted to join Romania? I do not think so. The borders were decided in Paris, not in the Romanian assembly. |
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This idea said, that every land is a Romanian territory, whereever the great rivers (Tisza with the river Bodrog and Dnister) of the Romanian Carpathian Mountains (Eastern and Southern Carpathians) spread out their alluvial deposit. So Greater Romania is the territory between the River Tisza and River Dnister. It consist of the Carpathian Ruthenia and North-Bukovina (nowdays in Ukraine and East-Slovakia - Presov and its vicinity), the Hungarian territory east of the river Tisza, Republic of Moldova (without Transnistria), Lower-Moldavia (nowdays in Ukraine) South-Dobruja (nowdays in Bulgaria), and West-Banat (nowdays in Serbia: East part of the former Province - Vojvodina) and - naturally - Romania.
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